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Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] topping: abracadabra: i would suspect DNS settings, but ethereal will tell you very quickly
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[00:01:00] abracadabra: ethereal something to run on linux box?
[00:01:00] topping: either
[00:01:00] ** xris kicks MythLogBot **
[00:02:00] ** abracadabra pets MythLogBot **
[00:02:00] abracadabra: no bot abuse
[00:02:00] abracadabra: :P
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[00:02:00] xris: makes me have to close yet another window when I log into the channel
[00:02:00] xris: Beirdo should implement a once/day or once/week notification for it.
[00:02:00] xris: but I really don't care that much.
[00:03:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[00:03:00] candc540: ok i think i'll get mouse working tonight
[00:03:00] Beirdo: :)
[00:03:00] candc540: ir blaster later
[00:03:00] Beirdo: quit crashing gaim
[00:03:00] topping: candc540: post to the ivtv list, see what you get by tomorrow night
[00:03:00] topping: i'm sure they are helpful because they want this too
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[00:04:00] abracadabra: xris ignore MythLogBot doesn't work ?
[00:04:00] xris: abracadabra: gaim doesn't have /ignore
[00:05:00] topping: xris: if you open a pane to MythLogBot in gaim, there's an ignore button on the bottom of the screen, does that work?
[00:06:00] GeckoFiend: hey anyone have a copy of the dvorak article in hard/soft copy?
[00:08:00] xris: oh, hmm.. maybe.
[00:09:00] xris: brb
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[00:09:00] xris: nope, only per-instance, apparently. oh welll
[00:09:00] xris: afk
[00:11:00] abracadabra: topping any quick pointers to get me going with ethereal?
[00:12:00] LLyric: abracadabra: just start it
[00:12:00] Beirdo: RTFM? :)
[00:12:00] abracadabra: i did
[00:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:12:00] abracadabra: lol
[00:12:00] LLyric: abracadabra: it's pretty easy to follow
[00:12:00] abracadabra: well ya ok
[00:12:00] ProtocoLD: trying to install the mythweather module and I get this error when doing 'make'
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[00:12:00] LLyric: abracadabra: the filters are the only non-trivial bit.
[00:12:00] abracadabra: i can rtfm but i figured just a quickie to do an analysis why this network is hosed up
[00:12:00] LLyric: use a filter like "port snmp"
[00:12:00] ProtocoLD: cc1plus: error: CPU you selected does not support x86–64 instruction set
[00:12:00] ProtocoLD: make: *** [main.o] Error 1
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[00:12:00] ProtocoLD: anyone have any ideas ?
[00:12:00] LLyric: or "port ssh or port http"
[00:12:00] sarahemm{SA}: ProtocoLD: gentoo?
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[00:12:00] LLyric: ProtocoLD: don't run x86–64 code?
[00:13:00] LLyric: ProtocoLD: you know x86–64 is not a normal PC, right?
[00:14:00] ProtocoLD: sarahemm{SA}, no, suse
[00:14:00] sarahemm{SA}: oh.. hrm. specifying any special flags to configure or anything?
[00:14:00] sarahemm{SA}: looks like it's trying to build for Athlon64 or Opteron..
[00:14:00] ProtocoLD: LLyric, yes, but not sure where i ended up selecting that to begin with
[00:14:00] candc540: try just plain old ./configure?
[00:16:00] sarahemm{SA}: time to head to work.
[00:16:00] sarahemm{SA}: bbl. :)
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[00:17:00] abracadabra: ok great
[00:17:00] abracadabra: now i have a huge ass log
[00:17:00] Beirdo: flush it
[00:17:00] Beirdo: and don't forget to wipe
[00:18:00] abracadabra: lol
[00:18:00] ** abracadabra slaps Beirdo around a bit with a large trout **
[00:18:00] Beirdo: hey
[00:18:00] Beirdo: you leave my trout alone
[00:18:00] Beirdo: :)
[00:19:00] abracadabra: opening a folder on the xp machine from fc3 takes a while too
[00:19:00] abracadabra: hmmm
[00:19:00] Beirdo: so don't do that :)
[00:20:00] topping: abracadabra: you are looking for gaps in the timing
[00:20:00] topping: look at the packet just before a big gap and figure out who is trying to do what...
[00:20:00] abracadabra: k
[00:22:00] LLyric: Big delays are often dns/name-lookup related
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[00:24:00] pundit: Help: Daylight Savings Time  – My schedules are out of whack.
[00:25:00] abracadabra: DST questions must be the question of the day
[00:25:00] pundit: :-)
[00:25:00] pundit: Probably.
[00:25:00] pundit: How do I fix this problem. I'm in the Eastern USA time zone.
[00:26:00] pundit: I changed the XMLTV listing offset to "Auto" but it doesn't work.
[00:26:00] candc540: OK
[00:26:00] pundit: Ran mythfilldatabase after, too.
[00:26:00] candc540: enough
[00:26:00] candc540: pundit
[00:26:00] orion2012: I checked out the logs and some suggested emptying the "program" table in the DB
[00:26:00] candc540: do this
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[00:26:00] pundit: I'm listening.
[00:26:00] candc540: mysql -u mysql -p mysql mythconverg
[00:26:00] orion2012: didn't work for me though....
[00:27:00] candc540: delete from program; or delete from programs;
[00:27:00] candc540: exit
[00:27:00] candc540: mythfilldatabase
[00:27:00] candc540: done
[00:27:00] topping: 'rm -rf /' ?
[00:27:00] candc540: why not orinoco
[00:27:00] orion2012: candc540: didn't work for me
[00:27:00] candc540: LOL then init 6
[00:27:00] topping: haaa
[00:27:00] candc540: :) have a nice day lol
[00:27:00] orion2012: don't know, emptied it, re-ran mythfilldatabse, sm eproblem
[00:28:00] candc540: hmmm and you updated your system clock before doing this?
[00:28:00] orion2012: yes, system clock is set via ntp
[00:28:00] orion2012: /etc/localtime points to correct timezone etc
[00:28:00] candc540: hmmm i remember something about ntp
[00:28:00] captmiddy: truncate table programs;
[00:28:00] candc540: disable it maybe?
[00:29:00] candc540: dunno
[00:29:00] captmiddy: is easier than delet from
[00:29:00] candc540: i'm lost
[00:29:00] candc540: i just know what worked for me :)
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[00:29:00] abracadabra: transfer speed with ethereal running is ok with ethereal off it slows down
[00:29:00] abracadabra: lol
[00:29:00] abracadabra: geez
[00:30:00] pundit: Thanks, candc540. I'll try it but there's got to be a better way! I can't believe that the developers haven't encountered this problem.
[00:30:00] pundit: ... and fixed it.  ;-)
[00:31:00] captmiddy: pundit: are you talking about the time shift issue ?
[00:31:00] candc540: from what i hear it's how to fix it
[00:31:00] captmiddy: with daylight savings time?
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[00:31:00] captmiddy: sorry I just got back from dinner and missed the conversation
[00:31:00] GeckoFiend: pundit either upgrade to CVS, do what the folks tell you to do here or.....
[00:31:00] GeckoFiend: quit ya bitchin
[00:31:00] pundit: captmiddy: I suppose that's what you call it. My clock is set to UTC. Mythtv schedule is one hour behind now.
[00:32:00] captmiddy: pundit: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
[00:32:00] pundit: He-he.
[00:32:00] captmiddy: there is a patch there, patch mythtv 0.17 and install it
[00:32:00] captmiddy: it is fixed in CVS that patch is a backport of the cvs fix
[00:32:00] candc540: hey what would cause your /dev/lirc0 to not show when loading lirc_dev lirc_i2c?
[00:32:00] Dr_Barnowl_: Damn, am I glad I went to CVS
[00:33:00] captmiddy: candc540: bad devfs configuration perhaps
[00:33:00] candc540: devfs?
[00:33:00] candc540: what do you have to look for in there?
[00:34:00] captmiddy: not sure, but there is information up on the lirc site on how to work around this.
[00:34:00] captmiddy: I had that problem a couple years back, not sure how I fixed it but I got it from the lirc documentation
[00:36:00] candc540: so the devfs is what creates these things (/dev/lirc and /dev/lircmd)?
[00:36:00] Dr_Barnowl_: candc540: Maybe use udev instead
[00:36:00] candc540: i thought that when you loaded the module lirc_dev that's what creates them
[00:37:00] Dr_Barnowl_: candc540: No, it's only automatic if you use udev
[00:37:00] candc540: udev and define KERNEL= '/dev/lirc0' SYMLINK = '/dev/lirc'?
[00:37:00] Dr_Barnowl_: Agh... got me
[00:37:00] candc540: does it need quotes or single quotes like i put it?
[00:38:00] Dr_Barnowl_: I just pasted from a website
[00:38:00] Dr_Barnowl_: KERNEL="lirc[0–9]*", NAME="lirc/%n"
[00:39:00] Dr_Barnowl_: that's what mine says
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[00:52:00] candc540: hmmm mine is different Dr_Barnowl_ and it works
[00:52:00] candc540: strange
[00:52:00] candc540: oh well
[00:53:00] Dr_Barnowl_: candc540: They'd both work, but I think mine would work for devices with no number, and more than one device
[00:54:00] candc540: yeah i think so too
[00:54:00] candc540: well if you can help him before i get home i'm sure he'd appreciate it akira_work
[00:54:00] candc540: he's got it showing now but no output when he does a cat /dev/lirc
[00:55:00] pundit: candc540: I did what you stated in order to clear the program database. mythfilldatabase ran again and it took a while so it seemed to be working. However, the times are still 1 hour off. Is there something else that I need to do? I went into mythtvsetup and set the XMLTV offset to 'Auto'. What else should I do?
[00:56:00] candc540: use the CVS version of mythtv
[00:56:00] candc540: the bug is fixed in that
[00:56:00] candc540: :)
[00:56:00] orion2012: Or patch the source and rebuild
[00:56:00] candc540: yeah that too
[00:56:00] candc540: but i like the CVS rout
[00:56:00] candc540: route
[00:56:00] candc540: later everyone going home from work
[00:56:00] pundit: candc540: Where do I get the CVS version — How-To anywhere?
[00:57:00] candc540: from mythtv website
[00:57:00] candc540: has info there
[00:57:00] pundit: candc540: Thanks.
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[01:08:00] pundit: Damn. I'm at the MythTv website and I can't find anything dealing with CVS. At least it's not obvious. Where can I find a new mythtv binary that will fix the Daylight Savings problem?
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[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: pundit: Uhhh did you read through the docs? They tell you how to download, compile and install myth (including cvs)
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[01:15:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: I already have mythtv installed via yum on FC3. I looking for an easier path — perhaps a single binary patch to mythtvfrontend, or whatever, if possible.
[01:16:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[01:17:00] quink: does mythtv have any database fixing tools or something like that?
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: You likely wont find anything on the mythtv.org site for that. All that they list there is Source I believe
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: quink: No it does not. What specifically is the problem ?
[01:18:00] quink: well i had lvm setup on 3 drives to spread out my recording directory
[01:18:00] pundit: I tried clearing the program table and that seemed to trigger a read-downloading of data but the times are still off.
[01:18:00] quink: one drive went bad. so i copied over what i could to a safe place, removed the drive, reformated the partition and copied back
[01:18:00] GreyFoxx: pundit: Lemme guess you are running QT 3.3.34
[01:18:00] GreyFoxx: 3.3.4
[01:18:00] quink: deleted the programs that were missing
[01:18:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: Maybe. I'll check.
[01:18:00] quink: and now nuvexport isn't happy
[01:18:00] quink: plus mythtv has been saying, since hte .17 upgrade, i have 500–600 days of data left
[01:19:00] GreyFoxx: quink: doh
[01:19:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: Yeah! You're right!
[01:19:00] quink: two separate issues though
[01:19:00] pundit: What should I do?
[01:19:00] quink: mysql_check says the database is just fine
[01:19:00] GreyFoxx: pundit: downgrade to 3.3.3, shutdown jythbackend, clear the program table, start mythbackend, and run mythfilldatabase again
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[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: And I assume you have your timezone set correctly :)
[01:20:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: Thanks! Now, I just have to figure out all that I have to downgrade. :-(
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: quink: Can you playback the stuff that nuvexport gives an issue with in myth itself ?
[01:20:00] quink: Loading MythTV recording info.
[01:20:00] quink: 100%
[01:20:00] quink: Found 60 files, but no matching database entries.
[01:20:00] quink: it ust exits
[01:20:00] quink: with that
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: pundit: should be as simple as changing qt itself
[01:21:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: I guess that I just have to downgrade qt-3.3.4–0.fc3.0 and qt-MySQL-3.3.4–0.fc3.0.
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: mostl likely
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: OR
[01:21:00] pundit: GreyFoxx: I'll give it a shot.
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: download cvs, and compile your own
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: I think I saw someone say it was patched in CVS to handle it
[01:21:00] captmiddy: or download 0.17 and the patch I pointed you to earlier
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: you have a seperate patch ?
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: backported from CVS ?
[01:22:00] captmiddy: yes
[01:22:00] captmiddy: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: that would likely do it then
[01:22:00] captmiddy: obviously the ebuild won't do you any good if you aren't using gentoo, but the patch should work just fine
[01:23:00] GreyFoxx: I happily haven't had to touch anything, but it's goiod to have something to point people too
[01:25:00] Ralpha6: odd, I had one 2 hour show take up 75 gb of space!
[01:25:00] GreyFoxx: wow
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[01:32:00] Agrajag-: hey all, i've got a bit of a problem with dvb recordings with myth (0.17). sometimes, after the backend has been up for a bit, recordings screw up and i get heaps of "no data from card in 1 second". if i stop/start the backend, this fixes it – any ideas?
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[01:41:00] Ralpha6: there's a job in the job queue for a movie that I deleted. It's also in the Delete Programs menu, but it won't let me delete it
[01:41:00] Ralpha6: is there a way to remove it
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[01:47:00] newbie234: Anyone found a fix for the program guide being off by an hour?
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[01:51:00] ParadigmS: hello all
[01:52:00] ParadigmS: anyone had any problems with a remote frontend freezing with it tries to get a listing of the recordings?
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[02:01:00] candc540: time for a restart
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[02:04:00] Beirdo: time for me to go home :)
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[02:25:00] pundit: Great. I fixed this Daylight Savings Time problem. Thanks goes to candc540 but an even bigger thanks to GreyFoxx. Had to downgrade qt to 3.3.3.
[02:25:00] mishehu: pundit: what was the dst problem you were having?
[02:26:00] pundit: mishehu: My schedules were all messed up. Everything was recording an hour off.
[02:27:00] pundit: mishehu: Shows that actually came on at 7:30 were listed as coming on at 6:30.
[02:27:00] pundit: Shows would record an hour too early. Because of DST, time moved ahead an hour.
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[02:28:00] pundit: mishehu: I had to delete the contents of the program table and downgrade to qt 3.3.3. I'm running FC3 (Fedora Core 3).
[02:29:00] pundit: Apparently, there must be some bug in qt 3.3.4.
[02:30:00] pundit: mishehu: Oh, I also had to rerun mythfilldatabase.
[02:30:00] pundit: mishehu: Anyway, I'm happy now but more importantly, my wife is happy.
[02:31:00] opello: pundit: it's actually that they fixed a bug
[02:31:00] pundit: opello: Oh?
[02:32:00] opello: (in qt) – you can get some more info on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
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[02:32:00] pundit: opello: So why the errant behavior? Okay.
[02:32:00] opello: it's described there, i don't know much about it other than that
[02:33:00] pundit: opello: Oh.
[02:33:00] Cromz: so like my guide is an hour off.. oh wait that was yesterday.. :> how goes the battle?
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[02:34:00] DMJC: ok, last night I rebuilt qt
[02:34:00] opello: apparently it was patched some time ago, and was backported: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
[02:34:00] DMJC: the mysql plugin is still broken
[02:34:00] DMJC: USE="-cups -debug -doc -firebird gif -immqt -immqt-bc ipv6 mysql -nas -odbc opengl -postgres -sqlite -xinerama zlib" emerge qt
[02:36:00] opello: lol why all that?
[02:36:00] pundit: opello: I get it. MythTv 0.17 had a workaround for a qt 3.3.3 bug. qt 3.3.4 fixes the bug but the workaround in Mythtv 0.17 conflicts with the workaround in qtq 3.3.4 so DST handling breaks again.
[02:36:00] opello: yeah
[02:37:00] pundit: opello: Thanks for the URL.
[02:37:00] opello: heh, i got it in here i think :)
[02:37:00] pundit: :)
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[02:40:00] mishehu: pundit: the listing are according to UTC ?
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[02:41:00] aspain: hi!, someone know where can I find a good tutorial on how to install mythtv on ubuntu
[02:42:00] Geckofiend: step one install fedora core
[02:42:00] Geckofiend: step two read jarrods guide
[02:43:00] opello: eew, fedora
[02:43:00] mishehu: dammit, I see I have the dst problem too
[02:43:00] mishehu: I don't want to lose all of my current database
[02:43:00] aspain: fedora core, on ubunto? do you have an address ?
[02:43:00] opello: aspain: fedora is a different distrobution of linux
[02:44:00] Geckofiend: i.e. not the flavor of the month but something with a history of running Myth
[02:44:00] Randall64: I think he means debian.
[02:44:00] Randall64: Oh, but you already have that via ubuntu.
[02:44:00] DMJC: ubuntu = debian for desktops heh
[02:44:00] pundit: mishehu: I figured — UTC.
[02:45:00] aspain: yes, debian :-) sorry
[02:45:00] mishehu: hmm
[02:45:00] mishehu: the database itself has times in local time
[02:45:00] aspain: can I find a tutorial on mythtv and debian (installation) ?
[02:45:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[02:46:00] mishehu: I could manually adjust the times for now... at least until the next time I want to run mythfilldatabase
[02:46:00] mishehu: was the patch that fixes this in qt's cvs or in mythtv's cvs?
[02:46:00] Cromz: evenin Beirdo
[02:46:00] mishehu: I saw mention of it in backscroll
[02:46:00] opello: ubuntu isn't debian if it had different repos ... which it does ... it just uses apt
[02:46:00] Beirdo: hola
[02:46:00] opello: i believe mythtvs
[02:47:00] aspain: <Randall64> MythTV is installed on ubuntu ?
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[02:47:00] mishehu: I'd probably still need to fix all current data in mythtv, unless running mythfilldatabase afterwords would update it automatically.
[02:47:00] Randall64: I never said that!
[02:47:00] pundit: Luckily, I run myth on a separate computer — an Asus Pundit.
[02:47:00] mishehu: <Randall64> I said that!
[02:47:00] ** mishehu grins **
[02:47:00] pundit: If I screw it up, so what.
[02:47:00] ** Beirdo is glad he uses qt 3.3.3 **
[02:48:00] Randall64: I'm being wronged!
[02:48:00] mishehu: Beirdo: does that mean the bug is fixed in qt's cvs?
[02:48:00] Beirdo: it means the bug seems to be related to qt 3.3.4
[02:48:00] ** mishehu is a little confused as to what to download here to fix it. one person says mythtv, one says something that makes it sound liek it's qt **
[02:48:00] pundit: Beirdo: I just downgraded to qt 3.3.3. To my surprise, I had to manually fix a symbolic link.
[02:48:00] aspain: <Randall64> ok, but do you know where can I find a tutorial on how to install MythTV ?
[02:49:00] Randall64: How dare you!?
[02:49:00] Beirdo: aspain: RTFM
[02:49:00] Beirdo: :)
[02:49:00] Randall64: <aspain> I'm a scoundrel
[02:49:00] mishehu: Randall64: I think aspain is actually talking to you, not quoting you.
[02:49:00] Randall64: mishehu: It's more fun my way.
[02:49:00] Beirdo: www.mythtv.org
[02:49:00] mishehu: <Randall64> I idolize Bill Gates
[02:49:00] mishehu: heh
[02:50:00] Randall64: <mishehu> I like body cavity searches
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[02:50:00] Randall64: poor bastard
[02:50:00] ** mishehu grrrs. gawdforbid something as simple as UTC-to-localtime conversion should work! **
[02:50:00] mishehu: <Randall64> Tubgirl and the goatse.cx guy are my lovers.
[02:51:00] Beirdo: OK, children :)
[02:51:00] mishehu: hehehe
[02:51:00] mishehu: looks like I've got a bunch of cvs's to do... qt, and mythtv.
[02:52:00] Beirdo: beer me
[02:52:00] Randall64: It's not even beer:00
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[02:52:00] candc540: topping, you still around?
[02:53:00] topping: yo
[02:53:00] candc540: hey dcc me k
[02:53:00] topping: what's that
[02:53:00] topping: ?
[02:53:00] candc540: this
[02:53:00] Beirdo: beer me, dammit!
[02:53:00] Randall64: .dcc send candc540 /dev/zero
[02:53:00] candc540: there
[02:53:00] Beirdo: send him /dev/random
[02:54:00] topping: indeed
[02:55:00] mishehu: is the fix in qt 3.3.4–20050318 snapshot?
[02:55:00] Beirdo: I dunno, try it :)
[02:55:00] mishehu: Beirdo: I wanted to know before I spend my time building the package
[02:56:00] Beirdo: Yeah, and I wanted to be a millionare by 30. Tough noogies :)
[02:57:00] topping: i can't find the page titled "i'm setting up a distributed 1TB myth system for my mother-in-law and need an elegant frontend box"
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[02:57:00] topping: anyone remember the url or have a suggestion for something quiet
[02:57:00] topping: ?
[02:57:00] Beirdo: www.pos-cases.com
[02:58:00] topping: rawkin... thanks
[02:58:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:59:00] topping: hey now
[02:59:00] topping: lol
[02:59:00] topping: http://www.woodprojections.com/pos-case.htm
[02:59:00] Beirdo: haha
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[03:09:00] doc: any of you guys have an issue with myth recording stuff 1 hour before the show actually starts? I know this must have something to do with the recent time change but I've wiped my program database and redownloaded it from datadirect also made sure my time is correct on the server.. no luck
[03:09:00] topping: nobody's had that problem today, have they?
[03:09:00] topping: ;-)
[03:09:00] Randall64: heh, doc
[03:09:00] Randall64: doc: evidently a Qt bug that got fixed in 3.3.4
[03:10:00] Randall64: I should get myth running again.
[03:10:00] doc: sorry :)
[03:10:00] doc: help a brother out? I need a qt upgrade?
[03:10:00] Randall64: doc: You need a downgrade I think, but I haven't been paying that much attention.
[03:10:00] topping: you must already have the qt upgrade if the bug showed up
[03:10:00] topping: so you need to upgrade your myth from cvs
[03:11:00] topping: or downgrade qt
[03:11:00] doc: qt on server side I presume
[03:11:00] Randall64: Then you have to upgrade all your xboxes to cvs.
[03:11:00] doc: qt-3.3.4–0.fc3.0
[03:11:00] doc: qt-MySQL-3.3.4–0.fc3.0
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[03:13:00] Randall64: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . .3.4;#122936
[03:13:00] Randall64: patch 0.17 instead
[03:13:00] catphish: Ralpha6: i love you
[03:14:00] catphish: * Randall64: i love you
[03:14:00] Randall64: There just can't be > 1 Ra*, eh?
[03:14:00] akira_work: anybody know what would cause my sound to echo?
[03:14:00] doc: screw that I think I am just gonna lie to my servers
[03:14:00] doc: force them to the an hour behind =P
[03:14:00] doc: until dpkg's are out and rpm's are out
[03:14:00] ** doc grumbles. **
[03:14:00] doc: thanks guys
[03:14:00] catphish: akira_work: ur recording your output mix maybe
[03:15:00] catphish: my server's running an hour behind, but i dnt like running it that way, especially since im planning on demoing my boxes soon
[03:15:00] akira_work: catphish: how do i stop the echo
[03:15:00] catphish: akira_work: have a play with your mixer
[03:16:00] doc: wife is pissed :(
[03:16:00] Beirdo: and read the documentation while you're at ti
[03:16:00] catphish: akira_work: u may just need to mute your line in channel
[03:16:00] doc: I shouldn't have launched 0.17 into "production" at my house so fast :)
[03:16:00] Geckofiend: doc it would have affected every other version too if you had qy 3.4
[03:17:00] doc: true.. so is there a bug in qt? or myth?
[03:17:00] doc: (both?)
[03:17:00] catphish: probably myth
[03:17:00] catphish: but probably not the dev's fault
[03:17:00] Geckofiend: there was a bug in qt 3.3 that we worked around, they fixed it in 3.4
[03:17:00] doc: ah
[03:18:00] Geckofiend: our work around caused the problems for people using 3.4
[03:18:00] doc: no biggie.. I'll just recompile cvs then
[03:18:00] doc: would be nice thoughif someone made dpkg's for xebian/xbox :)
[03:19:00] catphish: i tried building cvs yesterday and it failed, may try with a bit more effort today
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[03:25:00] Beirdo: Geckofiend: 3.3.4 I think you meant :)
[03:25:00] catphish: Beirdo: came to that conclusion
[03:25:00] Geckofiend: Beirdo yep sorry
[03:26:00] Beirdo: no use confusing people more than they already are :)
[03:26:00] catphish: think of the children!
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[03:27:00] topping: has anyone set up myth backend on mac yet?
[03:27:00] topping: should work fine, right? does it?
[03:30:00] Geckofiend: topping no it doesn't since there's no suported capture hardware
[03:30:00] topping: ah forgot about that one, thanks
[03:30:00] Geckofiend: ,ac guys have stayed pretty focused on the FE and plugins AFAIK
[03:31:00] topping: FE works ok?
[03:31:00] Geckofiend: wonder if the new plextor support could be ported though?
[03:31:00] Geckofiend: heh yeah FE does crazy shit like playing live tv in an icon and what not
[03:31:00] topping: dang
[03:32:00] topping: friend of mine wants a very large system
[03:32:00] topping: mini's sound like the way to go
[03:33:00] Geckofiend: minis can't do HD though :(
[03:34:00] topping: hmm good point
[03:34:00] topping: not even on the VGA, that's too bad
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[03:36:00] candc540: ok remote almost working
[03:36:00] candc540: again
[03:36:00] candc540: i can cat /dev/lirc/0
[03:36:00] candc540: and get output
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[03:40:00] candc540: ok now that i have output on /dev/lirc/0 how do i get lircd to know that the device is at /dev/lirc/0
[03:40:00] candc540: ????
[03:40:00] catphish: 2 mords for you
[03:40:00] catphish: *words
[03:40:00] catphish: man lircd
[03:41:00] candc540: ugh
[03:41:00] candc540: ok i guess i can do a lircd -device=/dev/lirc/0?
[03:41:00] candc540: right
[03:41:00] catphish: only 1 way to find out
[03:41:00] candc540: punk
[03:42:00] candc540: :)
[03:42:00] candc540: oh btw then why does irw say cannot connect
[03:42:00] candc540: same reason?
[03:42:00] catphish: i expect so
[03:42:00] catphish: i use lircd -d /dev/whatever
[03:45:00] candc540: so catphish why would irw not connect then cause there's no switch for irw
[03:48:00] catphish: irw uses the daemon
[03:48:00] catphish: (i think)
[03:48:00] catphish: not sure about that
[03:49:00] candc540: ahhhhhhh
[03:50:00] candc540: i think i figured it out without the F***ING MAN :)
[03:50:00] candc540: lircd -d /dev/lirc/0 -n /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[03:50:00] candc540: and then irw worked
[03:50:00] candc540: now i just have to figure out where the lircd.conf should go
[03:51:00] candc540: either in /etc/lircd.conf or /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[03:52:00] catphish: /etc/lircd.conf
[03:52:00] catphish: but do rtfm and save urself (and me) the effort
[03:54:00] candc540: yeah
[03:54:00] candc540: well it's confusing
[03:54:00] candc540: cause depends on what manual u read catphish
[03:54:00] candc540: debian package installs and has config in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
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[03:55:00] candc540: and built from source goes to /etc/lircd.conf
[03:55:00] candc540: ls
[03:55:00] candc540: clear
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: out [greg] ~$ cd mail
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: out [greg] ~/mail$ rm ml-mythtv-users
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh, there, all caught up on the mailing list :)
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[03:57:00] Ediehow: why are my showtimes still an hour off from daylight savings time if i've update the database?
[03:58:00] catphish: because of an incompatibility between myth 0.17 and qt 3.3.4
[03:58:00] catphish: patch here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . .3.4;#122936
[03:58:00] catphish: or wait
[03:58:00] candc540: catphish
[03:58:00] candc540: question for you
[03:58:00] Ediehow: i didn't think mythbackend even used qt
[03:58:00] candc540: there's an init script that starts lircd
[03:59:00] candc540: it's located in the contrib/lirc.debian
[03:59:00] catphish: Ediehow: i believe it does
[03:59:00] Ediehow: weird
[03:59:00] catphish: Ediehow: loads of ppl are having the problem
[03:59:00] candc540: now the question is how can you get that to point to -dev /dev/lirc/0?
[04:00:00] catphish: just change it
[04:00:00] catphish: open it, find the line, change it, save it
[04:00:00] candc540: wo where it says device=$
[04:00:00] catphish: i havent seen the script
[04:00:00] catphish: but use ur imagination
[04:00:00] candc540: ok i'll get creative if i can
[04:00:00] candc540: :)
[04:01:00] candc540: hahaha
[04:01:00] candc540: lets blow up my computer
[04:01:00] candc540: btw can a bad hdd cause a problem with livetv
[04:01:00] Geckofiend: Ediehow why is that weird?
[04:02:00] candc540: as in play a few seconds of video and then stop
[04:02:00] catphish: yes, but i doubt it in your case
[04:02:00] candc540: ahhh
[04:02:00] catphish: there are a lot more likely things
[04:02:00] candc540: but it was working when i left for work
[04:02:00] candc540: and now it dont
[04:03:00] candc540: weird hu
[04:03:00] candc540: oops huh
[04:03:00] Ediehow: Geckofiend: mythbackend is not even gui
[04:03:00] Ediehow: it's weird it would use qt
[04:03:00] Ediehow: i mean, it's completely console
[04:03:00] catphish: qt has more than gui stuff i would guess
[04:03:00] catphish: its libraries for all sorts
[04:04:00] catphish: im not all that sre about that tho
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[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: Ediehow: IT also uses QT for mysql access just like mythfrontend does
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: and god knows whatelse
[04:08:00] candc540: ok restarting
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[04:13:00] catphish: yay cvs compiled cleanly today </meaningless text>
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[04:14:00] candc540: catphish, here's what i get when i log in at tty2
[04:14:00] candc540: nevermind i'm a dumbass
[04:14:00] candc540: it says hdd
[04:15:00] candc540: that would be a cdrom drive
[04:15:00] candc540: LOL
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[04:18:00] Zugot: i'm working acquiring my mythtv hardware
[04:19:00] pointer: I looked over the mythtv mls...and only found one real reference to this....anyone working on adding support for IPTV to mythtv?
[04:19:00] Zugot: can i get a backend device with multiple hauppage 350 cards to record multiple streams?
[04:19:00] pointer: //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg03196.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg03196.html
[04:19:00] Zugot: and can i control both of those streams from multiple frontends?
[04:20:00] catphish: Zugot: yes myth does all that
[04:20:00] Zugot: catphish: ok.. i'm excited now
[04:20:00] catphish: not sure about the 350 hardware
[04:20:00] catphish: check on that bit
[04:20:00] catphish: if its supported then u can have as many as u like
[04:21:00] Zugot: what mpeg card should I get if i want to encode multiple streams
[04:21:00] jams: save yourself the money and get 250's
[04:21:00] Zugot: ok.. so 2 250s?
[04:21:00] Zugot: i can work that out
[04:21:00] catphish: u can probably software encode 2 streams if u have a dedicated server
[04:22:00] Zugot: i do have a dedicated server
[04:22:00] opello: my pvr-500 is nice, and it had 2 tuners — for $147, dunno what the 250s/350s cost
[04:22:00] Zugot: i have a p4 2400 with 2GB of memory
[04:22:00] Zugot: i'm going to acquire the tuners this weekend
[04:22:00] Ediehow: i'd like to get a usb 2.0 tuner
[04:22:00] Zugot: and about 1 TB of disk as well
[04:23:00] catphish: Zugot: that will kick
[04:23:00] catphish: will software encode 2 streams and send them to 2 frontends easily
[04:23:00] Zugot: catphish: i just need to be able to stream to my laptop and also to my computer in my bedroom...
[04:23:00] catphish: thats not a problem
[04:23:00] Zugot: which is connected to my home entertainment system
[04:23:00] catphish: just set them up as frontends
[04:24:00] Zugot: ah cool
[04:24:00] Zugot: maybe i'll get a mac mini as well
[04:24:00] Zugot: i've been looking for an excuse to buy one
[04:24:00] catphish: :)
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[04:25:00] Zugot: i'll research the pvr-500 now
[04:25:00] Zugot: and make my purchases by the end of the week
[04:25:00] Zugot: and hopefully i can make it work with my digital cable and direct tv connections
[04:26:00] Zugot: thats why i need two streams
[04:27:00] catphish: if ur channels are unencrypted u might look into dvb cards to receive them directly
[04:28:00] Zugot: well is comcast unencrypted? and how about directtv? i'm new to this... i'm just trying to work out the logistics now
[04:28:00] catphish: they're cable services right?
[04:28:00] Zugot: i've been saving for a while for this project
[04:28:00] Zugot: comcast is
[04:28:00] GreyFoxx: directv is encrypted. Comcast you will need to lookup
[04:28:00] Zugot: directtv is satellite
[04:28:00] catphish: basically if u need a decoder card then they're encrypted
[04:28:00] catphish: if not then u can plug the cable straight into the pc and get high quality and select channels from the pc
[04:28:00] Zugot: so i'm gonna need two ir blasters to control the devices, correct?
[04:28:00] GreyFoxx: check out avsforum.com and in the hdtv section they have ongoing discussions about different locations and whether or not it's encrypted there
[04:29:00] Zugot: thanks greyfoxx
[04:29:00] catphish: u need 1 ir blaster
[04:29:00] catphish: can control both
[04:29:00] Zugot: catphish... ah..
[04:29:00] catphish: it just sends different codes for different devices
[04:29:00] Zugot: right
[04:30:00] Zugot: i would need two if i had two comcast boxes
[04:30:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: what's the cost of living like in Halifax?
[04:30:00] catphish: Zugot: yes, and u'd need to stop the signal getting to both boxes
[04:30:00] GreyFoxx: Less than Toronto heh
[04:30:00] Beirdo: no shit, Sherlock :)
[04:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:31:00] Zugot: catphish: i already had to do that with my tivos
[04:31:00] Zugot: i need to get rid of the tivos
[04:31:00] ** Beirdo is eyeing a job posting at Dalhousie **
[04:31:00] Zugot: i have 3 series ones, and i don't feel like upgrading them
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[04:31:00] GreyFoxx: Not too high really. houses from anyone from 80–300G based on where you want to live and how large. Averaging between 120–200 for a real nice place
[04:31:00] GreyFoxx: Oh? What position? I know a few people who work at Dalh
[04:31:00] Beirdo: not too bad
[04:31:00] Beirdo: http://staffingservices.dal.ca/viewuserposting.php?positionid=36
[04:32:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[04:32:00] Beirdo: still rather go west :)
[04:32:00] GreyFoxx: A Friend of mine had that job for a long time, then transfered to the programming department, and now is going back to that one since he hates all of his coworkers in the coding department :)
[04:33:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[04:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:33:00] Beirdo: of course, that's quite a pay cut
[04:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:34:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, but if it's what ya wanna do, and it wont kill ya then it might be worth it
[04:34:00] Beirdo: yup
[04:34:00] GreyFoxx: there are a ton of jobs I'd take a paycut for
[04:34:00] Beirdo: I still would rather go west, but I think I'll apply
[04:34:00] GreyFoxx: Can't hurt
[04:34:00] Beirdo: true
[04:34:00] GreyFoxx: We just hired a dude from Denver
[04:35:00] Beirdo: I could always turn down the offer in the end should I get it. Hehe
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: he was from here, moved West, then down to Denver and like most Canucks wants to come home
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
[04:35:00] Beirdo: :)
[04:35:00] ** Beirdo is eyeing the universities out west too **
[04:35:00] Beirdo: nada
[04:36:00] Beirdo: only UNB and Dalhousie this week
[04:36:00] catphish: by the way, was the mythweather map broken in 0.17?
[04:36:00] GreyFoxx: Not on mine. Maybe for your area
[04:37:00] catphish: ok, i just upgraded to cvs and its working now
[04:37:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: I'm serious contemplating a career change. Just not sure 100% to what :)
[04:37:00] Beirdo: well, I like the kinda work OK
[04:37:00] candc540: ok question i did a stupid thing
[04:38:00] Beirdo: but I'm so tiring of contracting
[04:38:00] candc540: actually catphish can probably tell me
[04:38:00] candc540: :P
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: I'm just got enjoying it anymore
[04:38:00] catphish: yes candc540
[04:38:00] Beirdo: to be honest, neither am I
[04:38:00] candc540: i installed lirc from source and from apt then i removed from apt
[04:38:00] Beirdo: need a change of venue
[04:38:00] candc540: and make uninstall the source
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Yeah
[04:38:00] captainfun: hey....
[04:39:00] candc540: then installed from source again
[04:39:00] candc540: and......
[04:39:00] catphish: candc540: ya...
[04:39:00] GreyFoxx: If I didn't have to pay my bills I'd go back to school for something... just not sure what heh
[04:39:00] candc540: now i have a lircd in /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin
[04:39:00] captainfun: does anyone know where the version magic number is set for the lirc drivers?
[04:39:00] Beirdo: yeah, me too
[04:39:00] candc540: which one is correct?
[04:39:00] captainfun: i built a new kernel...
[04:39:00] catphish: GreyFoxx: im happy to be 18 and still at school
[04:39:00] Beirdo: which is why working at a university is doubly sweet
[04:39:00] captainfun: and when i compile...
[04:40:00] GreyFoxx: catphish: hehe enjoy it while you can :)
[04:40:00] captainfun: the drivers are being compiled with the old kernel version numbers
[04:40:00] Beirdo: they make it possible to further your education while working
[04:40:00] catphish: run lircd -v?
[04:40:00] catphish: get the version numbers
[04:40:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Yeah
[04:40:00] candc540: ahhh
[04:40:00] candc540: good point
[04:40:00] captainfun: umm
[04:41:00] captainfun: that isn't the version number i am talking about
[04:41:00] captainfun: not the version of lirc
[04:41:00] captainfun: the version of the kernel
[04:41:00] catphish: captainfun: i was talking to candc540 sorry
[04:41:00] captainfun: oh....
[04:41:00] captainfun: sorry
[04:42:00] captainfun: both version problems haha
[04:42:00] catphish: kernel version is uname -a
[04:42:00] candc540: yep
[04:42:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: what kinda change are you considering, or have you not decided yet? :)
[04:42:00] catphish: captainfun: u may need to relink your /usr/src/linux to ur new kernel
[04:43:00] catphish: drivers always compile against /usr/src/linux
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[04:43:00] catphish: not ur running onw
[04:43:00] catphish: *one
[04:43:00] captainfun: yeh...
[04:43:00] captainfun: i did that
[04:43:00] catphish: ok
[04:43:00] captainfun: it is linked to my new kernel
[04:44:00] captainfun: i am running 2.6.11.6
[04:44:00] catphish: which drivers are compiling wrong?
[04:44:00] captainfun: but for some reason lirc is compiling with version magic set to 2.6.9-prep
[04:44:00] captainfun: which is an old kernel
[04:45:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Really undecided. Seriously I'm pulled in many directions. Only one have anything to do with technology
[04:45:00] catphish: have u done a make clean on it?
[04:45:00] captainfun: and /usr/src/linux is a symbolic link to /usr/src/redhat/linux-2.6.11.6/
[04:45:00] Beirdo: I'd love to get out of tech work completely
[04:45:00] captainfun: hmmm
[04:45:00] captainfun: i'll try that
[04:45:00] catphish: id delete the source folder
[04:45:00] catphish: and start again
[04:45:00] Beirdo: but to do what I want needs much dinaro
[04:45:00] candc540: me too
[04:46:00] captainfun: that might be a good idea
[04:46:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[04:46:00] candc540: start over
[04:46:00] captainfun: i'll try starting over
[04:46:00] catphish: then it has no reason to know the old kernel ever existed
[04:46:00] candc540: delete and extract
[04:46:00] candc540: :)
[04:46:00] captainfun: yeh...
[04:46:00] catphish: make clean shuold do it but i never trust it
[04:46:00] captainfun: i'm just wondering if i compiled my new kernel wrong
[04:46:00] captainfun: and the old version numbers are sticking around somewhere
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[04:47:00] catphish: nah
[04:47:00] catphish: kernel version isnt stored anywhere that i know of
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[04:47:00] catphish: only the /usr/src/linux symlink, and the current running kernel
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[04:48:00] captainfun: yeh
[04:48:00] captainfun: if that is it, then i should be fine
[04:48:00] captainfun: once it finishes making
[04:49:00] catphish: the mythnews bbc feed is broken :(
[04:49:00] captainfun: hey...
[04:49:00] captainfun: i think that worked...
[04:49:00] captainfun: let me test it out to make sure
[04:55:00] captainfun: i think i'm going to have to reboot
[04:55:00] captainfun: it is stilling having issues
[04:55:00] captainfun: but that fixed the version magic issue
[04:55:00] captainfun: thanks a lot... that has been a headache
[04:56:00] catphish: np
[05:00:00] catphish: if i fix the bbc news feeds can some1 tell me how to get it into the cvs
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[05:10:00] candc540: catphish, can you check this out and give me some hints on how to edit it to tell lircd to look at /dev/lirc/0
[05:10:00] candc540: http://www.pastebin.com/267314
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[05:10:00] candc540: oh crap
[05:10:00] candc540: i'm a idiot
[05:10:00] candc540: one sec
[05:10:00] catphish: yes
[05:10:00] catphish: u are
[05:10:00] candc540: now it's in pastebin and it's in pretty colors
[05:11:00] candc540: and now what sticks out is /dev/lirc
[05:11:00] candc540: :)
[05:11:00] catphish: lol
[05:11:00] candc540: change that to /dev/lirc/0
[05:11:00] candc540: stupid dumb ass i am
[05:11:00] catphish: pastebin is cool actually
[05:11:00] candc540: and that was logged so everyone knows
[05:11:00] candc540: ;)
[05:12:00] candc540: ahhh now i can make it work for everyone
[05:12:00] candc540: :) i know what i'm doing now
[05:12:00] catphish: lol
[05:13:00] candc540: it all makes sense
[05:13:00] catphish: dnt forget its in 2 places
[05:13:00] candc540: now if i could only get lircmd to work
[05:14:00] candc540: see what happened is that pico only shows part of the file and was cutting off the /dev/lirc so i don't feel soooo bad now
[05:14:00] candc540: yep one is start and the other is restart right?
[05:15:00] catphish: yep
[05:15:00] catphish: lircmd relies on the ~/.lircrc file
[05:15:00] catphish: have fun
[05:15:00] candc540: yep
[05:15:00] candc540: got that already
[05:15:00] candc540: but i can use irexec to control a bunch of crap right
[05:17:00] candc540: catphish, did you ever mess with lircd?
[05:17:00] candc540: oops lircmd
[05:20:00] catphish: lircmd err i have no idea what that does
[05:20:00] candc540: lirc mouse daemon
[05:20:00] candc540: lets you use remote as a mouse
[05:20:00] catphish: ah yeah just moves the mouse never used it
[05:20:00] catphish: irxevent does X keystrokes
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[05:20:00] catphish: lirexec runs apps
[05:20:00] catphish: use em all together
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[05:22:00] candc540: time to test it all
[05:22:00] candc540: restart
[05:22:00] candc540: bye
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[05:30:00] candc540: ok anyone in here a debian expert
[05:30:00] candc540: my modules for lirc aren't loading
[05:30:00] candc540: lsmod | grep lirc doesn't show anything
[05:32:00] candc540: i made a file called /etc/modutils/lirc and put lirc_dev and lirc_i2c and the alias line
[05:32:00] candc540: then saved the file
[05:33:00] candc540: ran update-modules
[05:33:00] candc540: restarted and nothing
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[05:38:00] catphish: type modprobe lirc_dev
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[05:41:00] candc540: yeah that works but i want it to do it on its own
[05:41:00] candc540: at boot
[05:41:00] catphish: you should have something called modules.autoload
[05:41:00] catphish: makbe /etc/modules.autoload/2.6
[05:41:00] catphish: or something
[05:42:00] catphish: u put the modules in tehre
[05:42:00] catphish: *there
[05:42:00] candc540: i think it's /etc/modules
[05:43:00] catphish: well figure it out
[05:43:00] catphish: or... u could do something drastic
[05:43:00] catphish: goto http://www.google.com and look it up
[05:43:00] candc540: i'm gonna try a restart and see what happens :)
[05:43:00] catphish: ok
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[05:52:00] Beirdo: oh no, another Gentoo dev :)
[05:53:00] Beirdo: we're being overrun
[05:53:00] carpaski: :-p
[05:53:00] Beirdo: how goes?
[05:53:00] carpaski: MythTv seems to hate my pcHDTV-3000 :-(
[05:54:00] Beirdo: heh.
[05:54:00] xris: carpaski: no, that's probably your pchdtv hating linux.
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[05:54:00] carpaski: Identifies it as dvb, but refuses to do anything by loop over errors and such.
[05:54:00] Beirdo: well, I don't have one, so I can't really comment much
[05:54:00] carpaski: I can use the 'getatsc' with it pretty decently...
[05:54:00] carpaski: Just kinda annoying to grab all subchannels at once and have to watch it through mplayer while grabbing it.
[05:54:00] ** xris goes off to eat and play video games. **
[05:55:00] carpaski: xris: You know you're not supposed to eat them, right?
[05:55:00] Beirdo: video games?!
[05:55:00] xris: yes. it's called quality time with my wife.  :)
[05:56:00] Beirdo: can think of better things for quality time than games :)
[05:56:00] xris: heh
[05:56:00] xris: can't eat and do that at the same time, though. well, nothing substantial, anyway.
[05:56:00] Beirdo: but whatever works, you go have fun :)
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[05:58:00] xris: but first, I remember that I told Captain_Murdoch that I'd run a mythtranscode test to show cutlist problems.
[05:58:00] banyan: Has anybody else experienced all their recordings being incorrect since Sunday when DST change occurred?
[05:58:00] Beirdo: better do that before you get otherwise occupied
[05:59:00] Beirdo: banyan: it's a known problem, search the mailing list
[05:59:00] xris: odd. no cutlist whatsoever.
[05:59:00] banyan: okee.
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[05:59:00] Beirdo: it seems to be a qt3.3.4 problem
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[06:20:00] abarbaccia: where does ivtv usually look for the kernel source when compiling the kernel
[06:24:00] catphish: i know nothing about ivtv
[06:24:00] catphish: but everything should look in /usr/src/linux
[06:24:00] GreyFoxx: You could try reading the Makefile :)
[06:24:00] abarbaccia: thanks, i appreciate it
[06:26:00] abarbaccia: im having trouble just installing ivtv from source – some errors i havnt seen before- care to look at them real quick and give me a hint as to where they are comign from?
[06:28:00] abarbaccia: i think i just have my kernel source linked wrong – i compiled my kernel (for lirc purposes) but i think i put the link in the wrong place – anybody know where it should be?
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[06:37:00] catphish: abarbaccia: read my post...
[06:38:00] abarbaccia: i did – im still having trouble and i dont know why – i did this like 2 days ago and had none of this trouble...its frusturating
[06:39:00] catphish: ah
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[06:42:00] candc540: anyone got any clues on how to compile mythdvd
[06:42:00] candc540: getting an error
[06:42:00] candc540: and yes i read the INSTALL and README
[06:42:00] catphish: look up the error
[06:43:00] candc540: hahah
[06:43:00] candc540: RTFM then read it again
[06:44:00] candc540: :P
[06:44:00] catphish: i was thinking more along the lines of STFW
[06:44:00] catphish: then search it again
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[06:57:00] Beirdo: bed beckons
[06:58:00] candc540: looks like solution is to remove the /usr/local/include/mythtv folder?
[06:58:00] candc540: does that sound right?
[06:58:00] catphish: move it
[06:58:00] catphish: and see
[06:58:00] candc540: ok mythtv.old
[06:58:00] candc540: :)
[06:58:00] candc540: reminds me of the good old dos days
[06:58:00] candc540: copy autoexec.bat autoexec.old
[06:59:00] catphish: lol
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[07:03:00] candc540: wtf
[07:03:00] candc540: still don't work
[07:04:00] candc540: main.cpp: In function `int mythplugin_init(const char*)':
[07:04:00] candc540: main.cpp:307: error: no matching function for call to `DVDGeneralSettings::load
[07:04:00] candc540: (QSqlDatabase*)'
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[07:07:00] candc540: mythmusic wont compile either
[07:09:00] ** catphish has no idea **
[07:09:00] catphish: i cant believe i've been up all night in here, ah well
[07:09:00] candc540: yep
[07:10:00] catphish: got a load of work to do on my myth box today
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[07:14:00] carpaski: What does the backend do that generates a minute or more of CPU at config+startup?
[07:14:00] carpaski: Oh... apparently it's recording?
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[07:19:00] candc540: nite tis bed time
[07:20:00] catphish: cya candc540
[07:20:00] catphish: candc540: u didnt reply to my im
[07:20:00] Doona-Grl: hmmmm
[07:20:00] Doona-Grl: is there any info about on how to get a job queue to run ???
[07:21:00] candc540: btw i like :)
[07:21:00] catphish: Doona-Grl: yes im sure there is
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[07:21:00] catphish: Doona-Grl: unfortunately i dont know where it is
[07:21:00] catphish: Doona-Grl: sorry
[07:29:00] Doona-Grl: hmmm
[07:29:00] Doona-Grl: I just wrote a script to remux the recorded nuv files
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[07:29:00] Doona-Grl: and I wanted to call it when the recording is finished
[07:30:00] Doona-Grl: it would mean that I could use nuvexport to export files and keep av sync
[07:30:00] Doona-Grl: and use myth to edit the adds and stuff
[07:32:00] Doona-Grl: I am having a bad google day because I can't find too much about how to get iut to run
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[07:32:00] calamari: hi
[07:33:00] Doona-Grl: hi
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[07:34:00] calamari: is mythtv usable as a video recorder, or is there a better app for that?
[07:34:00] akira_work: when i 'modprobe lirc_i2c' i don't get a '/dev/lirc0' or '/dev/lirc/0', does anybody know what might cause this?
[07:34:00] calamari: not really interested in tv.. trying to record some clips from laserdisc
[07:35:00] calamari: I'd try the software and see, but I have no clue how to get it working at this point :)
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[07:40:00] RossTFarian: calamari: the answer is yes — as long as you have a card that can accept some sort of video in signal, and linux sees that card, then mythtv can record from it – it's in mythtvsetup
[07:43:00] calamari: ok cool
[07:43:00] calamari: I ran mythtvsetup.. do I have to do all that weird mysql database stuff?
[07:43:00] calamari: I don't really understand nay of that
[07:44:00] calamari: and do I need to log in as "mythtv"? just runnign as a regular user
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[07:51:00] RossTFarian: calamari – how did you do your install? What distribution? Have you read the docs at http://www.mythtv.org? It's all there...
[07:52:00] calamari: Ross: I installed using synaptic on Ubuntu Linux (Warty)
[07:52:00] calamari: the docs do not seem to apply to me.. the program it tells me to run do not exist
[07:52:00] calamari: err I meant programs not program
[07:53:00] RossTFarian: calamari – look for mythtv-setup, I think in debian/ubuntu
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[07:54:00] RossTFarian: also, you might want to upgrade to Ubuntu Hoary – lots of improvements, but that's just my opinion :)
[07:55:00] calamari: RossTFarian: I want to.. waiting on the CD's to come out.. dialup kills me :)
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[07:56:00] calamari: I've run mythtv-setup
[07:56:00] calamari: it seems to go okay.. gives me a segmentation fault when I exit.. but maybe thats normal?
[07:57:00] RossTFarian: calamari – this guide for Debian should give you more info that is nearly identical for Ubuntu – http://www.wilson-stowe.com/drupal/?q=mythtv
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[07:57:00] RossTFarian: calamari – you can just change your apt sources.list to point to the hoary repositories and upgrade...
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[07:59:00] banyan: Any idea on when the time patch will be rpm'ed and made available on apt4rpm?
[07:59:00] calamari: hehe.. I wish I could
[07:59:00] calamari: but I am on dialup.. never would work :)
[08:00:00] calamari: trying out that website.. thanks
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[08:05:00] calamari: [AMD1] ~>/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[08:05:00] calamari: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 113
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[08:11:00] fatmatt: calamari: you need to be root to start the mythtvv-backend thingy
[08:12:00] calamari: currently in endless loop trying to connect to ap2it.. dfidn't enter a username and password :)
[08:12:00] calamari: zap2it
[08:13:00] banyan: I'd rather not install the cvs version of mythtv, and there is a large hassle factor involved in downgrading the qt libraries. So, anybody have ideas on how long it'll be before the timezone fix is compiled into a binary distribution that will be available over apt4rpm?
[08:14:00] calamari: do I have to use zap2it ?
[08:14:00] calamari: I don't care about listings.. not going to be recording live tv
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[08:24:00] fatmatt: calamari: just disable mythfilldatatbase then
[08:30:00] calamari: how?
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[08:41:00] Netslayer: #@$%#$% all my recordings are an hr off
[08:41:00] Netslayer: and I can't figure out what caused it..
[08:44:00] Netslayer: this makes no sense all boxes updated to DLT, it started recording at 8pm, sat receiver title shows 8pm, show it scheduled for 8pm
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[08:58:00] Netslayer: is no one else having this issue?
[08:58:00] Netslayer: when i go watch tv the guide is an hr off
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[09:04:00] A|: has to do with daylight saving time
[09:04:00] o_cee: Netslayer, time to check the ml
[09:09:00] Netslayer: ml?
[09:10:00] Netslayer: ya my guide is an hr off how do i fix that?
[09:15:00] metusine: are the times/offsets correct in the tv.xml?
[09:18:00] Netslayer: where should i check for that
[09:18:00] Netslayer: master backend?
[09:18:00] Netslayer: I have no tv.xml
[09:19:00] metusine: oh
[09:19:00] metusine: thought we were talking about freevo
[09:20:00] metusine: wrong channel =)
[09:20:00] metusine: k
[09:20:00] metusine: there's an offset variable you can set
[09:20:00] metusine: in mythsetup i believe
[09:20:00] metusine: i've had not much luck with it
[09:20:00] fatmatt: this offset thing seems to be an issue in the US
[09:20:00] Netslayer: i don't understand why DST screwed this up
[09:20:00] metusine: but i was trying to do mine by 30 minutes instead of an even hour, so your millage may vary
[09:21:00] metusine: heh
[09:21:00] metusine: fucked mine
[09:21:00] metusine: really fucked mine
[09:21:00] fatmatt: switched times here fine...
[09:21:00] metusine: wasn't til i rebooted that it went back to normal
[09:21:00] metusine: here ==
[09:21:00] fatmatt: but we're still using tv_grab in australia
[09:22:00] metusine: oh, on a tangent, any ruby fanboys here?
[09:22:00] fatmatt: whats a ruby?
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[09:24:00] Netslayer: nice long post on the users channel
[09:28:00] metusine: bah, tv_grab_nz broke and no-one has bothered writing a new one
[09:28:00] metusine: sucks
[09:29:00] metusine: i found another real messy feed
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[09:29:00] metusine: it's consistantly messy though, so i can fix it with the powers of sed
[09:30:00] metusine: fatmatt: ruby is a computer language
[09:32:00] fatmatt: ahhh
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[09:36:00] Netslayer: so what's the accepted solution for this US timezone problem? pick a timezone that's back one?
[09:39:00] metusine: oh
[09:39:00] metusine: hm
[09:39:00] metusine: have a look in programs table
[09:39:00] metusine: check what the times are in there
[09:39:00] metusine: do a tv_grab outside of myth and have a look at what the times are in there
[09:39:00] metusine: check /etc/timezone
[09:39:00] metusine: make sure that's in order
[09:40:00] metusine: check the time is correct on the box – use ntp if necessary
[09:40:00] metusine: check the offset in mythsetup
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[09:40:00] metusine: if it's set to 60 minutes, turn it off, if it's off, try turning it on
[09:41:00] metusine: mmmm
[09:42:00] metusine: restart the box (and i only suggest that because i had the exact same problem when we changed times last week, and i couldn't fix it. then when i had to reboot for some other problem, it was fine after boot up)
[09:42:00] metusine: failing that
[09:43:00] metusine: you could try changing the timezones
[09:43:00] metusine: or manually downloading the listings.xml and playing with the offsets
[09:44:00] metusine: you could check you had the most recent version of myth installed
[09:45:00] metusine: failing that, you could try persuading your local broadcasters to move their programming forward to match yours
[09:45:00] metusine: but frankly, i wouldn't expect much luck with that
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[09:48:00] metusine: heh
[09:48:00] metusine: there goes that restart i guess
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[09:52:00] Netslayer: do i have to change all my timezones or just my master backends for the schedule to fix?
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[09:55:00] der_Angler: some guys in here using MYTHTV & FEDORA CORE?????????????????
[09:57:00] metusine: mmm
[09:57:00] metusine: what other timezones
[10:00:00] opello: downgrade all of your qt installations
[10:01:00] opello: or use the patch on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947 and rebuild mythtv
[10:05:00] Netslayer: opello, thank you
[10:05:00] Netslayer: opello, any idea if the gentoo ebuilds will be updated?
[10:06:00] Netslayer: opello, auh nm it's in the report
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[10:13:00] der_angler2: FEDORA users please contact me!!!!!
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[10:18:00] Craww: http://www.whitehacker.com
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[10:31:00] ahan: hello everybody, i need help myth mythtTV 0.17 and DVB support
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[10:32:00] ahan: i can scan the transpondeurs, and i get all the channels, but when i try to watch TV, i've got this black screen, here is my term output:
[10:32:00] ahan: DVB#0 ERROR – Unable to find channel in database.
[10:32:00] ahan: can someone help me ?*
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[10:37:00] Scorpi_: ahan: maybe there is an invalid initial channel set?
[10:38:00] riddler: does anyone know if anyone figured out how to take screen caps from recorded shows?
[10:39:00] ahan: Scorpi_, but i use mythttvsetup, the channels scan works, and when i want to see channel list it works, but after when i do mythfilldatabase and when i start my backend i got this output ? what kind of card are do u use ?
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[10:44:00] Scorpi_: ahan: wintv nova-t
[10:45:00] Scorpi_: ahan: what's your initial channel in mythtv-setup?
[10:46:00] Scorpi_: IIRC this is set in input connections
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[11:05:00] ahan: Scorpi_, Nexus-S, what do you mean by "initial channel" ?
[11:07:00] fatmatt: ahan: theres a field in the setup for the starting chanel, ie, when you start watching tv the channel it tunes to
[11:07:00] fatmatt: you should be able to record tho... I think.. ? can you record?
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[11:14:00] ahan: fatmatt, i put 1
[11:14:00] ahan: fatmatt, i can't record too
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[13:40:00] candc540: good morning everyone
[13:40:00] candc540: i guess everyone is sleeping at this hour of the day
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[13:41:00] candc540: hey bjohnson
[13:41:00] ProtocoLD: morning people.... afternoon/evening to others  :)
[13:41:00] candc540: looks like you're awake
[13:41:00] candc540: morning to me :0
[13:42:00] candc540: it's like 5:40 here
[13:42:00] bjohnson: hi
[13:42:00] ProtocoLD: 8:44am here
[13:42:00] candc540: ugh
[13:42:00] candc540: who's got problems?
[13:42:00] candc540: i got answers
[13:42:00] ** ProtocoLD drinks his morning coffee **
[13:43:00] candc540: at least for a pvr-150 and remote i do
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: taxes
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: got answers for that ?
[13:43:00] candc540: taxes suck
[13:43:00] candc540: yeah call a tax man
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: i owe this year
[13:43:00] candc540: next question
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: i a bad way
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: in
[13:43:00] candc540: yeah get a good tax man he may be able to make it so you dont owe
[13:43:00] ProtocoLD: in my case it was impossible
[13:44:00] ProtocoLD: i sold an income property
[13:44:00] candc540: oh
[13:44:00] candc540: and didn't keep the cap gains?
[13:44:00] ProtocoLD: capital gains tax suxs
[13:44:00] candc540: did you make over 250,000?
[13:44:00] candc540: well in ca it's 250,000 per person
[13:44:00] candc540: and then you gotta pay cap gain taxes
[13:44:00] candc540: dunno what it is in your state
[13:45:00] ProtocoLD: doesn't matter in the case of an income property.. regardless of state
[13:45:00] candc540: oh
[13:45:00] candc540: well that sucks
[13:45:00] ProtocoLD: not really...
[13:45:00] candc540: can't you just buy another within 90 days?
[13:45:00] ProtocoLD: it does and it doesn't
[13:45:00] candc540: cause i thought that if you re-invested in 90 days then you are all good
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[13:45:00] ProtocoLD: i should be thankful, if I have to pay taxes, that means I also made the money
[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: yes...
[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: but i don't want to re-invest
[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: and the money has to go into an escrow account
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[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: and the property has to be the same or greater value
[13:46:00] candc540: ahhh
[13:46:00] candc540: that makes sense
[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: and of the same type
[13:46:00] ProtocoLD: so..
[13:47:00] ProtocoLD: since it's an investment property
[13:47:00] ProtocoLD: it has to be an investment property
[13:47:00] ProtocoLD: been through this a couple of times
[13:48:00] ProtocoLD: the good thing is I set some money aside expecting it
[13:48:00] ProtocoLD: so it's no big deal
[13:48:00] candc540: well then why do you have questions :P
[13:49:00] ProtocoLD: retorical question
[13:50:00] ProtocoLD: suppose I could flee the country
[13:50:00] ProtocoLD: but thats not worth it for $50k
[13:50:00] candc540: yeah not really
[13:51:00] candc540: especially after you got your mythbox working with ntsc you'd have to change to pal definately not worth the $50k
[13:52:00] candc540: dang so does anyone need help setting up a pvr-150 with remote?
[13:52:00] candc540: i can help now :) finally figured out how to fix it
[13:52:00] candc540: the remote anyway card was a cake walk
[13:53:00] ProtocoLD: i got a pvr-350
[13:53:00] ProtocoLD: having problems with the tv-out
[13:53:00] candc540: yeah i wanted a 350 but couldn't find one
[13:53:00] candc540: sucked
[13:53:00] candc540: so i settled for a 150
[13:53:00] ProtocoLD: actually... as of last night... I gotta rebuild the kernel too
[13:53:00] candc540: btw how much are the 350s?
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[13:53:00] candc540: ahhh well then what are you waiting for
[13:53:00] ProtocoLD: i couldn't find a 350 locally either... had to order it on-line
[13:54:00] candc540: start rebuilding
[13:54:00] candc540: i just thought i'd use my 150 and get another one later then use my 9800pro for tv output
[13:54:00] ProtocoLD: 350 I pais like $160
[13:54:00] candc540: not bad
[13:54:00] candc540: with remote and ir blaster too?
[13:54:00] ProtocoLD: i also got a HD card
[13:54:00] candc540: not bad at all
[13:54:00] ProtocoLD: but haven't messed with that yet
[13:55:00] candc540: yeah my 150 was about $100 with remote and ir blaster
[13:55:00] Tommck: candc540 – I thought they area about US$70...
[13:55:00] candc540: if i could get specs on the ir blaster i'd see about maybe looking into making some sort of driver or something to make it work
[13:55:00] Tommck: area=>are
[13:56:00] candc540: Tommck, depends on if they are the MCE or Retail version
[13:56:00] candc540: MCE is about $70 i think
[13:56:00] Tommck: candc540 – ah.
[13:56:00] Tommck: candc540 – and the MCE is just no IR blaster and remote?
[13:56:00] ProtocoLD: check out the case I got...
[13:56:00] ProtocoLD: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?style=album
[13:56:00] candc540: maybe you can find it for cheaper, but i opted to pick it up at a store so i don't have to pay for shipping if i was to return it
[13:57:00] candc540: says no more picture
[13:57:00] ProtocoLD: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp . . . 1&DEPA=1
[13:58:00] Tommck: ProtocoLD – what case?
[13:58:00] ProtocoLD: i built it with a dvd burner and a 300G ata drive
[13:58:00] candc540: that's nice
[13:58:00] ProtocoLD: tomimo, the picture is on the left of the screen. click on it to enlarge
[13:59:00] candc540: i built mine with a 60gb hdd :)
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: ... and i put 1GB of ram in the sucker
[13:59:00] candc540: i just plan on burning a lot of crap
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: slight over-kill
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: :)
[13:59:00] candc540: yeah but always good
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: hmm
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: i also plan on putting a VoIP server on it
[13:59:00] candc540: btw ProtocoLD this is Linux not XP
[13:59:00] ProtocoLD: Asterisk
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: candc540, ?
[14:00:00] candc540: don't need more than 512
[14:00:00] candc540: :)
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: funny
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: the more the better
[14:00:00] candc540: yeah
[14:00:00] candc540: i need more ram in my laptop
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: besides, i also want to put a voip server in the same box
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: Asterisk
[14:00:00] ProtocoLD: and add an fxo card
[14:00:00] candc540: oh any clue if the hauppauge pvr usb2 works?
[14:01:00] candc540: yeah then better to go with 1gb ram and the pvr-350
[14:01:00] ProtocoLD: I found a guy that uses the fxo card and Asterisk to display caller-id info on the screen for incoming calls
[14:01:00] candc540: that's cool
[14:01:00] ProtocoLD: candc540, I already have a pvr-350
[14:01:00] ProtocoLD: i got the fxo card from Digium
[14:02:00] candc540: ProtocoLD, i was saying good thing you got that no problems with your cpu getting taxed
[14:02:00] ProtocoLD: and I also picked up an HD card (HD-3000)
[14:02:00] ProtocoLD: none at all...
[14:02:00] ProtocoLD: tv-out takes about a 6% cpu load
[14:03:00] candc540: not bad
[14:03:00] candc540: so why is bjohnson here today?
[14:03:00] candc540: need help?
[14:04:00] ProtocoLD: another reason for the high mem is that I want to put in video editing
[14:04:00] candc540: with cinelerra?
[14:04:00] candc540: or whatever it is?
[14:04:00] ProtocoLD: so far the best I found is called MainActor
[14:04:00] candc540: i have to check that ot
[14:04:00] candc540: out
[14:04:00] candc540: for win or lin?
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp . . . 1&DEPA=1
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: linux
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: recently ported
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: i got it up & running
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: nice so far
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: though its commercial
[14:05:00] candc540: yeah
[14:05:00] bjohnson: candc540: I'm always here
[14:05:00] candc540: sucks
[14:05:00] candc540: i wish it was free i'd give it a go if it was
[14:05:00] candc540: i'm on linux cause i'm broke
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: yeah... but sometimes paying for something good isn't too bad
[14:05:00] candc540: :)
[14:05:00] ProtocoLD: though they want like $200
[14:06:00] candc540: yeah did you see GimpShop yet?]
[14:06:00] candc540: nice hack
[14:06:00] ProtocoLD: comparable to any win based video editing software so I can't complain
[14:06:00] candc540: make is more like photoshop works great
[14:06:00] ProtocoLD: seen it
[14:06:00] ProtocoLD: not yet but I might check it out
[14:06:00] candc540: i installed it and now it makes gimp useable
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[14:07:00] candc540: oops ah whatever me and my bad typing and spelling
[14:07:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[14:07:00] candc540: what do you expect it's 6 in the morning and i didn't get my coffee yet
[14:07:00] candc540: i'm gonna go see if anyone made some
[14:07:00] candc540: if not i may be back cause i might go to the coffee shop
[14:08:00] ProtocoLD: coffee = the true nectar of the gods
[14:08:00] ProtocoLD: :)
[14:08:00] candc540: haha
[14:08:00] candc540: but seriously gimpshop works great
[14:08:00] candc540: what distro are you on ProtocoLD
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[14:09:00] candc540: ok time to install themes for gnome
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[14:10:00] candc540: i'm sick of metacity
[14:10:00] candc540: bbiab
[14:10:00] ProtocoLD: well... I've rebuilt many times
[14:10:00] ProtocoLD: this time I'm trying Suse 9.2
[14:10:00] candc540: i seem to stick with debian for some reason
[14:10:00] ProtocoLD: probably becasue you're use to it
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[14:11:00] candc540: tried redhat and that sucked then went to knoppix then to debian then to ubuntu and just stuck with ubuntu
[14:11:00] candc540: redhat made no sense to me
[14:11:00] ProtocoLD: hmm
[14:11:00] candc540: never figured it out and they say it's easier than debian
[14:11:00] ProtocoLD: not an rh fan
[14:11:00] candc540: but that was years ago
[14:12:00] candc540: yea i bought linux from they years and years ago when they were on like rh7 and i couldn't download at anything faster than 56k dial-up
[14:14:00] candc540: well someone made some coffee
[14:14:00] candc540: but it was decaf
[14:14:00] candc540: oh well i'll drink it
[14:14:00] ProtocoLD: your saved
[14:14:00] candc540: just wont do as good
[14:15:00] candc540: so when do people normally come in here and ask for help?
[14:15:00] ProtocoLD: varies along with the type of questions
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: Hehe I remember spending days downloading to individual install floppies for slackware back on my 14.4 modem.
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: makes me feel old now
[14:15:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[14:16:00] ProtocoLD: GreyFoxx, i hear ya
[14:16:00] candc540: yeah me too GreyFoxx
[14:16:00] ProtocoLD: my 1st modem was an outstanding 300bps
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: Luckily I had friends with ISDN and T1's at the local ISP who would get me copies
[14:16:00] candc540: i remember when i had a 14.4 and was the cool guy amoung the geeks :)
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: My first personal modem was a 1200 in my old Tandy 1000SL. Before that it was the 300BPS at school :)
[14:17:00] candc540: that was in highschool when i used to frequent BBS's
[14:17:00] candc540: anyone remember good ol telix?
[14:17:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[14:17:00] ProtocoLD: Tandy
[14:17:00] ProtocoLD: I had a CoCo I
[14:17:00] candc540: i had USR now 3com
[14:17:00] ProtocoLD: the old grey-chicklet keyboard model
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv@woop:/data/space/Apps/SysUtils/Work$ ls -la telix.zip
[14:18:00] ProtocoLD: Tandy CoCo = Color Computer
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 523795 2000-11–17 03:52 telix.zip*
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: Heh
[14:18:00] candc540: and remember cd-rom drives that connected to the sound card?
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: I still have my hacked version(to get rid of the nag screen) with the bbs list I had
[14:18:00] candc540: you still have that GreyFoxx
[14:18:00] candc540: lol
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: even have my old mailreaders olx, slmr etc
[14:18:00] candc540: i remember wildcat and renegade bbs
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 205659 2000-11–17 02:52 olx.zip*
[14:18:00] candc540: set one up for a while
[14:19:00] ProtocoLD: a couple of months back I found a sight that has info on all pc's
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: I often miss those days
[14:19:00] candc540: but my mom got pissed off it was tying up the phone line all night long :)
[14:19:00] candc540: yeah it was more fun
[14:19:00] candc540: games and all on the bbs
[14:19:00] ProtocoLD: I was seiously crushed when I found out that Microsoft wrote the o/s for the colo computer / CoCo
[14:19:00] candc540: and time limits etc
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: I had a second line installed for my stuff
[14:19:00] candc540: LOL
[14:19:00] ProtocoLD: candc540, same here
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: I hated getting kicked off cause someone picked up the phone or being bitched at cause I used it all the time
[14:20:00] candc540: yeha
[14:20:00] candc540: *yeah
[14:20:00] ProtocoLD: remember when you could read faster then the modems could kick-out on the BBS's
[14:20:00] candc540: i loved this place called the wizards den and digital decay
[14:20:00] candc540: they were great
[14:20:00] ProtocoLD: hmm
[14:21:00] candc540: digital decay basically a place for cracks and pirated software and wizards den was a place that we started a virus chat room in and would mess with crap like that
[14:21:00] candc540: back in my bouland c++ days
[14:22:00] candc540: never sent anything to anyone just crashed our own computers at home :)
[14:22:00] candc540: but did put some fun stuff on windows 3.1 computers that played mary had a little lamp with screen flashing different colors before windows loaded
[14:22:00] candc540: or a huge time delay before windows loaded
[14:23:00] GreyFoxx: man work sucks. I hate being here
[14:23:00] candc540: was fun to do to my friends roomates
[14:23:00] candc540: yep me too
[14:23:00] candc540: that's where i am
[14:23:00] candc540: since 5am
[14:23:00] candc540: and i'm sick on top of it
[14:23:00] candc540: and i got a roach leg in my chinese food yesterday have to callthe place and bitch the dude out
[14:24:00] candc540: maybe i'll call the health dept
[14:24:00] GreyFoxx: And they just asked me to spend the next 3 months in Europe working on various projects. If I can talk them into letting me bring my GF and daughter then I'm all for it
[14:24:00] candc540: that sounds great
[14:24:00] candc540: i would love to go to Europe
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[14:24:00] candc540: but yeah you definately have to be able to bring them with you
[14:24:00] candc540: welcome back Tommck
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[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a tripped to Belgium in 2 weeks, and they asked if I would stay for a few months after in Belgium and somewhere else
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: If I can bring them then I'll jump right on it :)
[14:25:00] Tommck: Is there any advantage (except for # of slots used) to buying a PVR-500 instead of a PVR-150? (Yes, I know they're not very well supported now)
[14:25:00] Tommck: thx candc540
[14:25:00] candc540: i dunno Tommck
[14:25:00] candc540: i have a 150 and love it
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck: That is probably the main one
[14:25:00] candc540: so i'm sure the 500 is great too
[14:26:00] ProtocoLD: whats the 500 have ?
[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: If I was building a new system, with the way the support for the 150's and 500's have been getting better I would likely lean toward a 500
[14:26:00] candc540: dual tuners
[14:26:00] candc540: basically tv out i think
[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: They don't have TV
[14:26:00] candc540: just a 350 but newer
[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: Just 2 Tuners
[14:26:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – yeah... but the dumb thing is that you need to buy a 2nd thing for $15 to allow 2 s-video connections on the 500
[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: So it's like 2 150's on a single PCI card
[14:26:00] candc540: yeah without tv out
[14:27:00] ProtocoLD: i have a 350
[14:27:00] ProtocoLD: works great
[14:27:00] candc540: yeah like GreyFoxx said
[14:27:00] ProtocoLD: bbl
[14:27:00] Tommck: candc540 – only the 350 has TV out
[14:27:00] candc540: ahhh
[14:27:00] candc540: ok my bad oh crap did i just say my bad
[14:27:00] candc540: i been hanging around my little brother too much
[14:27:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – I'm checking the pricing... a 500 is pretty much exactly the price of 2 150s... but you have to add $15 for the extra backplane thingy to get the 2nd s-video connector
[14:28:00] candc540: i'd just get 2 150s then
[14:28:00] candc540: then you have one remote to lose
[14:28:00] candc540: cause if you're anything like me you lose remotes all the time
[14:28:00] Tommck: I wouldn't buy the ones with remotes... no need for it
[14:29:00] Tommck: I use a universal remote
[14:29:00] candc540: ahhh
[14:29:00] Tommck: what about IRQ usage? would one card with 2 tuners use less IRQs than 2 cards?
[14:29:00] candc540: i think i'm gonna build an ir blaster
[14:29:00] Tommck: candc540 – what are you controlling with it?
[14:29:00] candc540: cause nobody has figured out how to make the stupid one that's on the pvr-150 work
[14:29:00] candc540: a digital cable box
[14:30:00] Tommck: candc540 – no serial connection on the box?
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[14:30:00] candc540: dont think so
[14:30:00] candc540: didn't get it yet
[14:30:00] candc540: i'll be moving soon
[14:30:00] Tommck: ah..
[14:30:00] candc540: if it's got serial then it's all good
[14:30:00] Tommck: serial connections are much better (faster)
[14:31:00] candc540: if not then i'll just build a blaster
[14:31:00] Tommck: right
[14:34:00] candc540: anyone got a good link for ir blaster plans
[14:34:00] candc540: the one at lirc sucks
[14:35:00] candc540: well for me anyways
[14:35:00] candc540: can't build something from looking at that
[14:36:00] Tommck: no idea.. I don't use em
[14:37:00] candc540: i think the usb one looks easier to build in my opinion, but i don't have an eeprom programmer
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[14:41:00] zamboni: gdday
[14:42:00] zamboni: anyone here using a framebuffer only setup? ie no X server running?
[14:42:00] candc540: morning zamboni
[14:42:00] zamboni: hi
[14:42:00] candc540: nope
[14:42:00] zamboni: hmm
[14:42:00] zamboni: wonder if the system performance would benefit from a FB only setup?
[14:43:00] zamboni: I'm on a XP2000 with 512meg things are just okay but sometimes a little slow
[14:43:00] candc540: why not get a card with a hardware mpeg2 encoder
[14:43:00] zamboni: suggest one?
[14:44:00] candc540: pvr-150 pvr-250 pvr-350 pvr-500
[14:44:00] candc540: hauppauge
[14:44:00] zamboni: only way to go?
[14:44:00] zamboni: what about the philips chip based cards?
[14:45:00] zamboni: saa7134 et al?
[14:45:00] candc540: dunno don't use em
[14:45:00] candc540: but i have a 150 and all works great
[14:45:00] candc540: except for the ir blaster but remote works good
[14:45:00] zamboni: ever played with lirc?
[14:46:00] zamboni: and building your own blaster?
[14:46:00] zamboni: Im slowly gahering the parts....scabing from old receivers and TVs
[14:47:00] zamboni: does the blaster mofdule plug intoo the back?
[14:47:00] zamboni: of the card?
[14:49:00] candc540: yeah
[14:49:00] candc540: it does
[14:49:00] candc540: and has an ir blaster that's really long
[14:49:00] candc540: but you have to get it to work first
[14:49:00] candc540: :)
[14:49:00] candc540: i need to find a good schematic with really good instructions then i can make one
[14:49:00] candc540: :)
[14:50:00] zamboni: I guess youve tried the lirc.org?
[14:51:00] candc540: yeah
[14:51:00] candc540: don't look so great i guess i could read it all and figure it out
[14:51:00] candc540: but i'd like more of a pin one of serial interface connects to blah
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[14:51:00] candc540: more info then what they have they have the circuits broken into 3 pieces
[14:52:00] zamboni: you mean a module plugged right into the mb ir port connector?
[14:52:00] CyberKnet: did anyone check out the new satellite maps on maps.google.com? Very Cool Stuff
[14:52:00] CyberKnet: I can see my car on it =)
[14:53:00] Beirdo: in all its rusted glory? :)
[14:53:00] CyberKnet: Nah, a few white pixels
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[14:56:00] candc540: how do you get to the satellite maps
[14:56:00] candc540: all is see is the yahoo maps look
[14:56:00] candc540: i wanna find my car too
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[14:57:00] candc540: nevermind link at thop
[14:57:00] candc540: says satellite
[15:00:00] candc540: this is cool
[15:00:00] candc540: just found my new appartment
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[15:00:00] candc540: hi Gumby Roots^ and st0rmy
[15:00:00] candc540: it's too early in the morning
[15:00:00] st0rmy: evening for me :P
[15:01:00] Roots^: me 2
[15:01:00] Roots^: :)
[15:01:00] st0rmy: anyone here used homebrew receivers?
[15:01:00] st0rmy: lirc receivers is what I'm referring to
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[15:02:00] zamboni: hey CyberKnet wish I could see my car on maps.google.com
[15:03:00] zamboni: Im just outside the zone
[15:03:00] candc540: i haven't st0rmy but if you make one take pictures and make a site so i can find out how
[15:03:00] zamboni: can see the local gas station
[15:03:00] candc540: schematics and info seem like too much work to figure out
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: zamboni: aaah. Well, I park in a routine place at my work. Easy to figure out which car was mine.
[15:03:00] candc540: i can see my work and the airport
[15:03:00] candc540: :)
[15:03:00] zamboni: yeah
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: (I've worked at the same place for the last four years, and those images are newer than that)
[15:04:00] zamboni: the zooom drops off just before my apartment block
[15:04:00] zamboni: the pics for my part of town have to be at least 9 months old
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[15:05:00] zamboni: eg there a kentucky fried chicken store on the map that been demolished
[15:05:00] zamboni: and turned over to appts
[15:05:00] zamboni: cool
[15:06:00] zamboni: Ill know whne they have my ppt bldg due to the unique antenna array on my roof
[15:07:00] zamboni: candc540 looks as easy to build an lirc blaster as it was to build a JP4 programmer
[15:10:00] davis: hmm.
[15:10:00] davis: i am failing on not being able to local ivtv.pm
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[15:13:00] st0rmy: anyone used a sky remote+keyboard here?
[15:13:00] davis: where is it?
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[15:24:00] candc540: what's happening davis
[15:25:00] candc540: does anyone have the specs on the stupid pvr-150
[15:25:00] candc540: i need a datasheet or something
[15:26:00] candc540: need to start finding out how to program the ir blaster
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[15:29:00] candc540: i just jumped in the ivtv-dev room and asked for the specs we'll see if i get killed for going in there
[15:29:00] candc540: :)
[15:31:00] Ralpha6: you typed something in ivtv-dev?
[15:31:00] Ralpha6: you entered and I see no text
[15:31:00] Ralpha6: now I see it
[15:32:00] candc540: :)
[15:32:00] candc540: yep
[15:32:00] candc540: accidentally went into #
[15:32:00] candc540: and said only gods are allowed in here
[15:32:00] candc540: and then thought hmm wrong root oops
[15:32:00] candc540: :)
[15:32:00] Ralpha6: how long does mythcommflag usually take for a 1 hour show?
[15:32:00] candc540: dunno
[15:32:00] candc540: never really used it
[15:32:00] Ralpha6: ah ok thanks
[15:33:00] candc540: just got my box up so i'll find out soon
[15:33:00] Ralpha6: same here
[15:33:00] Ralpha6: it was running good yesterday, then I rebooted
[15:33:00] Ralpha6: and all stopped working
[15:33:00] candc540: what stopped working what distro etc
[15:33:00] candc540: what card
[15:34:00] Ralpha6: pvr 500, knoppmyth
[15:34:00] Ralpha6: I couldn't record or watch live tv
[15:34:00] Ralpha6: I got it squared away this morn
[15:34:00] candc540: so all is working now?
[15:34:00] candc540: or not working?
[15:34:00] Ralpha6: yep
[15:34:00] candc540: oh ok
[15:34:00] candc540: yeah i don't really like knoppmyth
[15:34:00] candc540: installed it and killed it after 5 minutes
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[15:34:00] Ralpha6: I installed as a quick way to get it running
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[15:35:00] candc540: seemed kind of buggy
[15:35:00] Ralpha6: it is alpha
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[15:35:00] Ralpha6: I plan on using my slack install and compiling everything from source
[15:36:00] Ralpha6: I just want to get the modules correct and what not
[15:37:00] Ralpha6: and the pvr 500 driver is not stable yet, so...
[15:41:00] candc540: yeah
[15:41:00] candc540: it's stable enough
[15:41:00] candc540: they work great with version 0.3.2q
[15:41:00] candc540: well i could be wrong about 500 but 150 works great
[15:53:00] Ralpha6: I installed 0.3.2r yesterday
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[15:54:00] candc540: freakin dang
[15:54:00] candc540: stupid people
[15:55:00] candc540: editing my book and they don't even know how to speak english
[15:55:00] candc540: freakin stupid
[15:55:00] candc540: when you say The main program, BLAH, blahblahblah
[15:56:00] candc540: it means that BLAH is the main program in the suite
[15:56:00] candc540: right?
[15:56:00] candc540: especially after you explain that BLAH is a suite of programs for doing X Y Z in the sentence above
[15:57:00] candc540: freakin pisses me off and they have the nerve to call me at 7:30 in the morning to complain about that
[15:57:00] candc540: i think i need another coffee
[15:57:00] candc540: how is r?
[15:57:00] candc540: any better?
[15:58:00] Ralpha6: with q I couldn't watch tv if I was recording something
[15:58:00] Ralpha6: with r I can
[15:58:00] Ralpha6: don't know if it's because of the options I passed or not
[15:59:00] Ralpha6: and ya I agree on the BLAH statement above
[15:59:00] Ralpha6: woot
[15:59:00] Ralpha6: looks like mythcommflag takes an hour to process an hour show
[15:59:00] Ralpha6: it's transcoding now
[16:00:00] candc540: they said oh well it sounds like you're saying that BLAH is the main program and we don't want the user to use BLAH
[16:00:00] candc540: ahh pisses me off
[16:00:00] candc540: well makes sense an hour for an hour
[16:00:00] candc540: but still that sucks
[16:00:00] candc540: can't it do realtime flagging?
[16:00:00] candc540: while it's recording?
[16:01:00] Ralpha6: I searched a little this morn but found old threads on it for release .16
[16:01:00] Ralpha6: so I'm not sure
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: The flagging stuff in CVS is MUCH faster
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: and starts flagging in realtime while the show is recording I believe
[16:02:00] candc540: that's what i though
[16:02:00] candc540: oops thought
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: but in .17 you gotta wait til the show is complete before it even starts
[16:02:00] candc540: what is the latest version for cvs?
[16:02:00] candc540: oh btw GreyFoxx
[16:02:00] candc540: i kept getting compile errors with mythdvd
[16:03:00] candc540: was using 0.17 mythtv and 0.17 mythdvd
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: What do you mean what is the latest version for cvs? cvs is cvs, there is no version number on it :) unless you count the date and time you grab it :)
[16:03:00] candc540: and it was giving errors about something to do with main.cpp or main.p
[16:03:00] candc540: *main.c
[16:04:00] Ralpha6: any idea how long transcoding takes?
[16:04:00] candc540: forever
[16:04:00] candc540: ;0)
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: Ralpha6: DEpends on your box, but it's a long process
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[16:05:00] Ralpha6: is it normal for a 2.1gig file to have the tmp file grow to 14gig and growing
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: that seems a little excessive :)
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: unless it's just writing out the full uncompressed YUV data for everyframe
[16:06:00] Ralpha6: I guess I'll see what happens
[16:06:00] catphish: GreyFoxx: do you know why the on air epg might be missing from my system i just built, i guess im being stupid and missed a flag in the compile
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: catphish: no idea
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[16:07:00] catphish: kk
[16:07:00] Ralpha6: the other day I recorded a 2 hour show and I believe while it was trascoding, it ate up the entire 80gig hd
[16:07:00] laga: catphish: --enable-dvb-eit?
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: Ralpha6: Then you have something seriously wrong
[16:07:00] root____: does anyone here use gentoo?
[16:07:00] catphish: laga: thatks that sounds likely
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[16:07:00] Ralpha6: that's what I thought
[16:08:00] candc540: catphish, RTFM
[16:08:00] catphish: omg theres loads of options when building mythtv, im being a muppet
[16:08:00] candc540: STFW
[16:08:00] candc540: :)
[16:08:00] laga: does mythmusic support the cd-writing implementation in kernel 2.6?
[16:08:00] Littlewashu: X-0
[16:08:00] candc540: had to return the favor from lastnight
[16:09:00] candc540: is there an --enable-all option
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[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Any idea how far of a Train ride it is to go from Brussells to Berlin ? :)
[16:09:00] laga: GreyFoxx: woah, dunno, sorry.
[16:10:00] catphish: oo temped to install with directfb
[16:10:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i wonder if www.db.de has an international/english section.
[16:10:00] laga: catphish: please share your experience when you try directfb.
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: They have and english version
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[16:10:00] catphish: --enable-directx (that interests me too)
[16:11:00] laga: GreyFoxx: you should be able to look it up there
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: ~8 hours
[16:11:00] candc540: yeah catphish write up a howto when you finish
[16:12:00] catphish: candc540: i'll finish it, u can write it up
[16:12:00] candc540: ok give me info
[16:12:00] ** FairWtns struggles w/qt and times. **
[16:12:00] candc540: i'll write it up
[16:12:00] FairWtns: I need breakfast.
[16:12:00] candc540: i do too FairWtns
[16:13:00] FairWtns: Nothing here though. Too lazy to go out.
[16:13:00] FairWtns: Maybe one of those infamous pop tarts.
[16:14:00] laga: GreyFoxx: sounds like fun
[16:14:00] ** laga *hates* riding by train **
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[16:15:00] candc540: well off to the software lab to do some testing then back to writing :(
[16:15:00] candc540: also need screenshots
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Maybe I'll stick to flying heh
[16:15:00] laga: GreyFoxx: yep.
[16:16:00] laga: GreyFoxx: there are some friggin' cheap flights avaiable. dunno if you can get one from brussels to berlin.
[16:16:00] catphish: hmm configure script hangs, thats a new level of getting nowhere
[16:19:00] catphish: lastminute.com :D
[16:23:00] Beirdo: laga: I love taking the train :)
[16:23:00] catphish: anyone know why the configure script for mythtv mivht hang?
[16:23:00] laga: Beirdo: heh. well,we germans love our cars. can't wait to get one.
[16:24:00] catphish: i love my car, its tiny and shit
[16:24:00] catphish: *might
[16:24:00] laga: Beirdo: well, of course..listening to music, playing with the laptop..but our trains for short distances are very shitty, IMHO.
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[16:25:00] laga: s/very/too/
[16:25:00] Beirdo: heh, yeah
[16:26:00] laga: my class is going to a trip to the sea. can't wait to ride 10 hours on those shitty trains, because the faster/better ones would be too expensive.
[16:26:00] laga: </sarcasm>
[16:26:00] FairWtns: I need to take a train ride. Bring the DS & the PSP and just ride for a bit.
[16:26:00] laga: hehe.
[16:27:00] catphish: FairWtns: id use my sofa for that, but whatever turns u on
[16:27:00] FairWtns: catphish:Well, when I get where I'm going, I'll turn 'em off and be all touristy and such. :)
[16:27:00] laga: on a few special days, you can go by bus for free. a few buddies, a few beers and my laptop with kismet running. WARbusing is cool. ;)
[16:27:00] catphish: fair enough then
[16:28:00] laga: *here
[16:30:00] FairWtns: Wow, converting a 239k swf to avi is 2.01GB? Wtf.
[16:33:00] FairWtns: Ah, at low rez, it's only 382MB. So it only grows by 10x. Jeebus.
[16:36:00] Beirdo: AVI is dependant on codec choices
[16:36:00] Beirdo: choose a stupid codec, you get what you deserve :)
[16:36:00] FairWtns: Beirdo:True, true. Just using some freeware swf>>avi thingy, just to play about.
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[16:37:00] Beirdo: right, you may need to recompress after (virtualdub is your friend)
[16:37:00] FairWtns: <3 virtualdub (even though I struggle with it sometimes)
[16:38:00] FairWtns: I may need to make a whole machine dedicated to conversions.
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[16:42:00] ** catphish builds mythtv for directfb and prays **
[16:43:00] FairWtns: Gonna have to nab me a dvb card soon, looks like the BF is really going to come to pass.
[16:43:00] laga: sounds like 0.18 is coming soon, judging by the ML. any comments? ;)
[16:43:00] ** FairWtns goes to read Beirdo's faq to decide on which. **
[16:43:00] Beirdo: uhh
[16:44:00] FairWtns: laga:Think so? Is there a feature/bugfix list somewhere?
[16:44:00] Beirdo: DVB is irrelevant
[16:44:00] Beirdo: I think you mean HDTV
[16:44:00] FairWtns: woops. I did.
[16:45:00] FairWtns: Looks like the air2pc.
[16:45:00] laga: FairWtns: nope. but isaac said something about a 0.18 release "this weekend".
[16:45:00] laga: wait a sec.
[16:45:00] Beirdo: too bad they are backordered out the wazoo
[16:45:00] laga: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0.18;#122993 <- look here.
[16:46:00] laga: not sure what he meant with it, could be my imagination in combination with my sucky english ;)
[16:46:00] FairWtns: Beirdo:So it would seem.
[16:46:00] FairWtns: laga:No, that looks like a .18 to me.
[16:46:00] laga: FairWtns: cool.
[16:47:00] Beirdo: it's been kinda hinted at for a bit
[16:47:00] FairWtns: Yeah, very, then I can remerge qt 3.3.4 again. Silly trolltech.
[16:47:00] laga: hehe
[16:47:00] ** catphish has come to like cvs **
[16:47:00] FairWtns: I haven't been reading the commit list lately (new job n all), anything interesting been going on?
[16:48:00] catphish: i dnt know, im just using it
[16:49:00] catphish: it seems just to be less buggy
[16:50:00] FairWtns: I've seen some .17 bugs, but it's a huge improvement to .16. I'm down to like 2 frontend crashes a month, none on the backend.
[16:50:00] laga: i mythmusic still crashes with opengl in 0.18, i really have to get a bug report in.
[16:50:00] laga: s/i/if/
[16:50:00] FairWtns: laga:Sure it's not nvidia and/or opengl? They never play well together.
[16:50:00] catphish: i like opengl and nvidia
[16:51:00] FairWtns: I like them when they work, which is when I don't touch anything after setting them up.
[16:52:00] laga: nope. a sis chipset.
[16:53:00] FairWtns: laga:Ah. I need to play with my pundit box and it's sis. I keep getting some ragged fonts on the OSD. Prolly a rez problem.
[16:54:00] laga: yep.
[16:54:00] laga: some of my fonts are odd, too.
[16:54:00] FairWtns: Could be an X problem too, haven't looked into it.
[16:54:00] laga: some are way too large. i need to recheck some settings.
[16:54:00] laga: yep.
[16:54:00] laga: hehe.
[16:54:00] FairWtns: Ah. qt is done downgrading.
[16:55:00] laga: funny thing happened to me in the morning. i was going to go to school (7am) and checked mythweather to see if i needed warm clothing. it was still showing the weather for yesterday. stupid timezones ;)
[16:56:00] FairWtns: I just noticed mythfilldatabase has a --file option, but no way to export, is there a way I could d/l the listings on one box them use this file option to update a different backends db?
[16:57:00] catphish: u ned to get the file, but yes u can
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[17:00:00] catphish: u can get the file by running tv_grab_something (i think)
[17:00:00] catphish: that'll dump it to the screen
[17:00:00] catphish: im sure u get the idea
[17:05:00] FairWtns: I do, I guess I'll need some form of tv_grab_dd
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[17:05:00] FairWtns: I'm not up to it atm, but it would be interesting for frontends w/no net connection.
[17:07:00] catphish: tv_grab_dd > /path/to/file
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[17:08:00] FairWtns: catphish: Very cool
[17:08:00] catphish: mythfilldatabase --file=/path/to/file
[17:08:00] catphish: something like that
[17:08:00] laga: FairWtns: err
[17:09:00] laga: FairWtns: i think there is an option called --dd-file or something like that
[17:09:00] laga: for data direct
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[17:10:00] ** catphish gives up on directfb for now **
[17:11:00] FairWtns: woohoo downgrading qt worked to fix the time. Hooray, I suppose.
[17:13:00] laga: catphish: loser. i tried for one or two weeks. ;)
[17:13:00] catphish: :p
[17:13:00] catphish: i will play about some time
[17:13:00] catphish: working on a production system atm
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[17:14:00] candc540: ok screw it
[17:15:00] candc540: me not working no more
[17:15:00] catphish: i will
[17:15:00] candc540: i sick
[17:15:00] candc540: me wanna go home
[17:15:00] candc540: crawl in bed
[17:15:00] ** laga pats candc540 **
[17:15:00] candc540: go to sleep
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[17:15:00] candc540: but have a freakin deadline today
[17:15:00] kormoc: so kill it and head to bed
[17:15:00] laga: i feel your pain. had the same feeling in school. was tired as hell.
[17:15:00] candc540: i should let someone else pick up the slack
[17:16:00] candc540: can't kill it needs to ship to japan today
[17:16:00] ** laga notes: write in complete sentences. **
[17:16:00] candc540: i've been here for 4 hours so far
[17:16:00] candc540: not bad for someone that is sick as crap
[17:17:00] candc540: i feel like hell :(
[17:18:00] laga: candc540: you could take some medicine
[17:20:00] Beirdo: smoke some medicinal...
[17:20:00] candc540: got none plus i'm tired
[17:20:00] candc540: i need sleep
[17:20:00] candc540: got here at 5am
[17:20:00] candc540: its now 9
[17:20:00] candc540: couldn't sleep all night
[17:21:00] laga: get some coffee. probably bad if your stomach is upset.
[17:21:00] candc540: nah it's more of a head cold with headache draining sinus soar throat feel freezing cold when it's actually not that cold at all
[17:22:00] laga: umm, a blanket then?
[17:22:00] candc540: i need a blanket at work that would make me feel better
[17:22:00] laga: some painkillers? cold medicine?
[17:22:00] candc540: uh how bout valium ?
[17:22:00] candc540: sounds good right
[17:22:00] laga: there's some pretty good stuff out there
[17:22:00] laga: valium? naw, you need to get a job done ;)
[17:23:00] FairWtns: My new job requires me to take a drug test, can't believe they're going to make *me* pay for it though.
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[17:25:00] defaultro: good morning guys, is there any value sound blaster audigy card that has a toslink connector?
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[17:26:00] Mrgoose2: err
[17:26:00] defaultro: hey Mrgoose
[17:26:00] defaultro: what's up?
[17:26:00] Mrgoose2: nothin much
[17:26:00] defaultro: do you use sound blaster sound card?
[17:27:00] Mrgoose2: nah i use onboard sound
[17:27:00] defaultro: ok
[17:27:00] defaultro: i have an onboard too
[17:27:00] Mrgoose2: im thinkin about switchin to amd64 box
[17:27:00] defaultro: but are you using yours with optical out or spdif?
[17:27:00] Mrgoose2: nope
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[17:27:00] defaultro: am on amd64 now
[17:28:00] Mrgoose2: any problems?
[17:28:00] defaultro: but using x86 FC3
[17:28:00] defaultro: no
[17:28:00] defaultro: but
[17:28:00] defaultro: i want to use spdif
[17:28:00] Mrgoose2: you use digital cable?
[17:28:00] defaultro: digital cable? you mean like comcast?
[17:28:00] Mrgoose2: yes
[17:28:00] defaultro: oh, im using off the air
[17:28:00] defaultro: but HD
[17:28:00] defaultro: so im sure that dolby is sent too
[17:29:00] defaultro: 5.1
[17:29:00] Mrgoose2: so you dont pay for cable?
[17:29:00] defaultro: nope
[17:29:00] Beirdo: fuck comcast
[17:29:00] ** xris agrees **
[17:29:00] defaultro: oh, i was about to get comcast
[17:29:00] defaultro: but for internet
[17:30:00] defaultro: so about spdif
[17:30:00] defaultro: how is myth's support regarding passthrough of ac3, does it work?
[17:30:00] Mrgoose2: defaultro: how many channels can you pull off the air
[17:31:00] defaultro: about 26
[17:31:00] defaultro: majority are 4:3 ratio
[17:31:00] ** xris kicks javascript **
[17:31:00] Mrgoose2: local channels?
[17:31:00] defaultro: only at nights are hd
[17:31:00] defaultro: yep, locals
[17:31:00] Mrgoose2: how much did it cost you to do that
[17:31:00] defaultro: sometimes, WTTWHD 11 during daytime
[17:32:00] candc540: defaultro you get it all working
[17:32:00] candc540: i know how to make remote work now
[17:32:00] defaultro: yeah
[17:32:00] candc540: cool
[17:32:00] defaultro: i got it working last january
[17:32:00] candc540: i had probs after i restarted then did some stuff and figured out how to make it all work
[17:32:00] candc540: oh
[17:32:00] fek: hi
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[17:32:00] candc540: wrong person
[17:32:00] defaultro: :)
[17:32:00] candc540: solly
[17:32:00] defaultro: wait, we're getting lost of my question
[17:32:00] defaultro: Mrgoose
[17:32:00] candc540: i think it was dm something now that i think about it
[17:32:00] candc540: hi fek
[17:33:00] defaultro: if i had the proper machine before, it could have only cost me about $300
[17:33:00] defaultro: that's for the nvidia 6600 GT and air2pc
[17:33:00] defaultro: but some folks here got it working with fx5200
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[17:33:00] defaultro: i love playing games too that's why I bought 6600 GT
[17:34:00] defaultro: all in all, I spent ~700
[17:34:00] defaultro: but am ecstatic with the results, I got what I really wanted
[17:35:00] defaultro: so going back to spdif, myth supports ac3 passthrough right?
[17:38:00] defaultro: so, i was having a hardtime deciding if I should get a sound blaster audigy card or just buy the spdif connector for my built-in AC97 audio card in the mobo
[17:39:00] Beirdo: I fuckin hate networksolutions
[17:39:00] defaultro: Beirdo, I would like to know what's wrong with Comcast before I get it?
[17:39:00] xris: Beirdo: is there anything about them worth liking?
[17:39:00] Beirdo: ask xris :)
[17:40:00] defaultro: :) ok xris, what's wrong with comcast?
[17:40:00] Beirdo: xris: well, they allowed someone to steal 3 of our domains, and then restored them, but left a "Legal Lock" on them
[17:40:00] defaultro: is it due to encryption of the previosly clear
[17:40:00] Beirdo: so now we can't transfer
[17:40:00] Beirdo: fucking arseholes
[17:41:00] candc540: i'm outta here for a little bit
[17:41:00] candc540: later
[17:41:00] Beirdo: so I'll have to get on the phone with their loser support and see what we need to do to completely lift that so we can transfer
[17:41:00] defaultro: Beirdo, xris might be busy. Can you please share instead?
[17:42:00] Beirdo: ask xris
[17:42:00] Beirdo: :)
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[17:42:00] Beirdo: I'm going on second hand information
[17:42:00] defaultro: ok
[17:42:00] Beirdo: he knows first-heand
[17:42:00] Beirdo: hand rather
[17:42:00] defaultro: if it;s the same thing as mchou, i know now
[17:43:00] defaultro: xris, what's the issue with comcast?
[17:44:00] Beirdo: OK, time for lunch
[17:44:00] xris: defaultro: what's wrong with comcast? same thing that's wrong with any monopoly.
[17:44:00] defaultro: ok
[17:44:00] defaultro: but specifically, is it really because of that encryption?
[17:45:00] xris: but in my personal experience, their analog plan is now about $10/month more expensive than DishNetwork's 120-channel digital plan.
[17:45:00] defaultro: ok
[17:45:00] xris: and digital is way overpriced.
[17:45:00] defaultro: am I correct that if I get satellite, I can tell them to put the dish in my lawn
[17:46:00] defaultro: rather than poking a hole in my roof
[17:46:00] xris: they will put it wherever you tell them to, as long as it can receive a signal.
[17:46:00] defaultro: gotcha
[17:46:00] xris: mine's mounted on the side of my house.
[17:46:00] defaultro: coz fucking dish network, they didn't
[17:46:00] defaultro: about 2 years ago
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[17:46:00] xris: they contract out the installation. so it really depends on who does the install.
[17:46:00] defaultro: ah
[17:46:00] defaultro: i will force it next time
[17:46:00] xris: I helped the guy out with mine, so he was more willing to do stuff like run wires under my house.
[17:47:00] defaultro: ok, that's cool
[17:47:00] defaultro: well, the reason i want to move to comcast is due to my voip
[17:47:00] xris: ahh
[17:47:00] defaultro: my friends who are in comcast are happy now
[17:48:00] defaultro: we'll all in vonage
[17:48:00] xris: yeah. Dish works best if you have dialtone — gets you a "free" second tuner.
[17:48:00] defaultro: im the only one who is on a satellite internet
[17:48:00] defaultro: ok
[17:48:00] xris: well, comcast for internet isn't bad.
[17:48:00] defaultro: ok
[17:48:00] defaultro: but i wish they didn't encrypt the hd too :(
[17:48:00] defaultro: which is now encrypted
[17:48:00] xris: everyone does that.
[17:49:00] defaultro: so my air2pc will not be able to grab anything :(
[17:49:00] xris: yes. it sucks.
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[17:49:00] defaultro: mchou sent an email to fcc
[17:49:00] defaultro: i dunno if he got a reply
[17:50:00] xris: hmm
[17:50:00] xris: well, I don't mind DIsh.
[17:50:00] xris: and maybe someday I'll get to refer someone and get a kickback. heh.
[17:50:00] defaultro: :D
[17:50:00] defaultro: but how can we use air2pc with Dish?
[17:50:00] xris: plain-old-dvb works with Dish.
[17:51:00] defaultro: huh
[17:51:00] xris: you just have to break the law and decrypt it.
[17:51:00] defaultro: i like that
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[18:00:00] Beirdo: air2pc is for OTA HDTV
[18:00:00] Beirdo: that is all
[18:01:00] Beirdo: it *might* work with QAM over digital cable, but that's not what it was designed for, so don't expect perfection
[18:01:00] defaultro: ok
[18:01:00] hadeees: whats going on with the firewire stuff
[18:01:00] defaultro: well mchou was able to grab HD over qam when comcast signal was sent in clear and analog too
[18:03:00] Beirdo: QAM != analog
[18:03:00] defaultro: oh
[18:03:00] defaultro: so how were hd signals captured then when they only have analog cable?
[18:03:00] defaultro: that's what I remember
[18:04:00] Beirdo: they weren't
[18:04:00] defaultro: im talking about local channels
[18:04:00] Beirdo: there is NO HD on analog
[18:04:00] Beirdo: all HD is digital
[18:04:00] defaultro: hmmmm
[18:04:00] defaultro: but i remember, mchou told that he only had analog comcastr
[18:04:00] Beirdo: and QAM is a method of encoding used by digital cable providers
[18:04:00] defaultro: ok
[18:05:00] defaultro: and he was able to capture the local channels in hd :(
[18:05:00] defaultro: I should clarify that
[18:05:00] Beirdo: then he didn't have only analog service
[18:05:00] defaultro: ok
[18:05:00] Beirdo: he may have only been PAYING for analog service :)
[18:06:00] defaultro: :)
[18:08:00] defaultro: it is possible, here is what I got from comcast website: Basic service subscription is required to receive HDTV and premium HDTV channel requires subscription to underlying premium channel.
[18:09:00] defaultro: basic is $11
[18:09:00] defaultro: but now, you need their box
[18:09:00] defaultro: to decrypt it
[18:09:00] defaultro: which was before sent in clear
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[18:12:00] catisonh: how do you add more rss feeds to mythtv?
[18:16:00] Beirdo: I'd bet reading the mythnews source, etc might help
[18:17:00] catisonh: is that a sarcastic answer?
[18:18:00] Beirdo: I'm not going to go research it for you when you can research it yourself.
[18:18:00] catisonh: anyone not an asshole want to help me?
[18:18:00] Beirdo: whatever.
[18:18:00] Beirdo: I point you at where to look, so I must be an asshole
[18:19:00] Beirdo: how about trying to look for yourself? :)
[18:19:00] catisonh: no, you say it in an asshole way
[18:19:00] catisonh: do you think I haven't?
[18:19:00] Beirdo: quite honestly, yes
[18:19:00] catisonh: well, I have
[18:19:00] catisonh: and mythtv.org says nothing about it
[18:20:00] catisonh: and a google search for the last 20 minutes hasn't shown anything
[18:20:00] catisonh: so I asked here
[18:20:00] catisonh: if you don't know, just don't answer, don't be an asshole about it
[18:20:00] Beirdo: look in the source
[18:20:00] catisonh: this is a help channel
[18:20:00] Beirdo: I doubt many of us even use mythnews much
[18:20:00] Beirdo: and those who do likely don't want to add stuff to it
[18:21:00] catisonh: well, that's good, but I would like to, so I asked
[18:22:00] Beirdo: *look in the source*
[18:22:00] Beirdo: I found the answer in 15s looking in the source
[18:22:00] Beirdo: so can you
[18:22:00] catisonh: ok, well, I dont' have the source
[18:22:00] Beirdo: then get the source
[18:22:00] Beirdo: locate news-sites.xml
[18:23:00] catisonh: listen, I downloaded this via rpms, not everyone is compliling
[18:23:00] catisonh: jesus, weren't you new to this at one time?
[18:23:00] Beirdo: there's your short answer. So instead of acting like a helpless person, maybe following suggestions would be a good plan
[18:23:00] catisonh: maybe not being an asshole when someone asks a legitimate question would be a good plan
[18:24:00] Beirdo: jeez. you just want an argument
[18:24:00] catisonh: no, I don't want to be talked down to for asking a question
[18:24:00] catisonh: I hope you never have any questions
[18:24:00] Beirdo: I already told you to look in the source, hell, I have now told you the file name in particular to look for
[18:24:00] Beirdo: and yet you continue to bitch
[18:24:00] catisonh: lol, this is a help channel
[18:25:00] catisonh: if you don't want to help, then stay off
[18:25:00] Beirdo: so what?
[18:25:00] Beirdo: take the fucking help
[18:25:00] catisonh: don't be an asshole
[18:25:00] Beirdo: the answer is to look in the source
[18:25:00] Beirdo: and since you don't have the source, either get it, or look at the particular file I told you
[18:25:00] fith: catisonh: calling the only guy giving you help an asshole is likely non-productive....
[18:25:00] Beirdo: now shut it and find that file, K? :)
[18:25:00] catisonh: fith, I'd rather not get help from assholes
[18:26:00] Beirdo: then get off the internet
[18:26:00] fith: Beirdo: lol
[18:26:00] Beirdo: you aren't paying me for support, I can be an asshole if I want
[18:26:00] catisonh: Beirdo, then I don't have to listen to you
[18:26:00] Beirdo: fine, then you don't really want the answer
[18:27:00] catisonh: no, I like I said, I dont' want to be talked down to, because the answer might be obvious to you, but not so obvious to me
[18:27:00] Beirdo: and you can continue to wonder how to do something
[18:27:00] xris: catisonh: perhaps it's because he's tired of answering the same kinds of questions from people all day, every day, when the answer can easily be obtained by looking for yourself. We're not here to tell you how to fix everything — much better to teach you how to do it for yourself.
[18:27:00] Beirdo: the answer *IS* obvious. if you want to know how it works, look in the source
[18:27:00] Beirdo: even if you ain't compiling the source, you can still download it and read it
[18:28:00] catisonh: listen, tell me what the hell this channel is here for then, if you can't ask questions
[18:28:00] Beirdo: you can
[18:28:00] Beirdo: you did
[18:28:00] Beirdo: and I answered, and you took offense
[18:28:00] catisonh: without being talked down to about it
[18:28:00] catisonh: if you ever want myth to become more popular, the community is going to have to grow up
[18:28:00] Beirdo: you first, you're the one being immature
[18:29:00] catisonh: becuase not everyone is going to know to look in the source
[18:29:00] kormoc: catisonh, you're not being talked down too
[18:29:00] catisonh: not everyone is going to know exactly where to go for the first time
[18:29:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[18:29:00] fith: Beirdo: I'll double your pay for mythtv answers if you stop being an asshole! :)
[18:29:00] Beirdo: heh. No deal
[18:30:00] fith: (good!)
[18:30:00] catisonh: Beirdo, I've got a life to live, try to find one yourself
[18:30:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:30:00] Beirdo: you're the one who's being a dick and wasting my time
[18:30:00] laga: yeah, bitchfight
[18:31:00] Beirdo: look in the source... and I even told you what file the config is in, so fucking find it, add your stuff, and shut up
[18:31:00] ** xris sprays everyone down with water, and then averts his eyes to avoid blindness, lest someone is wearing thin clothing. **
[18:31:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:32:00] ** Riff-Raff ducks from the stream rising from the hotheads :) **
[18:33:00] xris: lol
[18:33:00] Riff-Raff: BTW: does anyone have the EIA-708-B standard that defines the subtitles ATSC uses?
[18:33:00] Beirdo: isn't that a pay-for-copy standard?
[18:33:00] Beirdo: I know a lot of them are
[18:34:00] Riff-Raff: damn
[18:34:00] Riff-Raff: then I need to find someone who has it and is willing to answer few questions about it :)
[18:34:00] xris: catisonh: you must understand that tempers run rather short when we have to answer the same kinds of questions over and over again. If you go and look at the source for the file that Beirdo told you, and you still don't understand it, then ask again and someone might be able to help you more. None of us uses mythnews, apparently, though, so that may be the best we can do.
[18:34:00] Beirdo: you can always look online, I may be wrong. Most of the standards bodies have decent sites
[18:36:00] Riff-Raff: you are propably right because despite long googling I have not been able to find a copy
[18:36:00] Beirdo: news-sites.xml (once you find it on your system) should be easy enough to understand
[18:37:00] ** CyberKnet wants to enlarge the room allocated for the body of the rss item... but very lazy =) **
[18:37:00] ** Beirdo sends catisonh a bill for wasted time **
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[18:40:00] Riff-Raff: Beirdo: you were right, hardcopy is $39.00, unfortunately PDF version is not available :(
[18:40:00] CyberKnet: man. I hate to miss out on a bitch-slap-fest.
[18:40:00] Beirdo: that's not too bad for a standard.
[18:40:00] Beirdo: X.25 was like $120US or so, I think
[18:40:00] Riff-Raff: Beirdo: true, but I only need it to write a chapter about it for my msc
[18:40:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:41:00] kormoc: return it after it's done
[18:41:00] CyberKnet: Riff-Raff: library perhaps?
[18:41:00] Beirdo: yeah, your University's technical library may have a copy
[18:41:00] CyberKnet: I often ILL hard-to-find books
[18:41:00] Beirdo: or might be able to get their hands on a copy
[18:41:00] Riff-Raff: CyberKnet: ILL?
[18:41:00] CyberKnet: Inter-Library Loan
[18:41:00] Riff-Raff: will have to investigate
[18:42:00] CyberKnet: such that even if your library doesn't have it, they'll search libraries all over the [country|world] to find it.
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[18:42:00] CyberKnet: dat be ill'n, y'na mean?
[18:43:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[18:43:00] Beirdo: Yeah, so I was an asshole AFTER he called me one
[18:43:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: *shrug* you can't help those that dont want to be helped.
[18:43:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: You also can't lose sleep over the fact that they dont want to be helped =)
[18:43:00] Beirdo: yeah, don't care that much really
[18:44:00] CyberKnet: .xml isn't really even source code
[18:44:00] ** kormoc has been up for years cause of people who won't be helped. **
[18:44:00] Beirdo: it's in the source code dir though
[18:44:00] ** kormoc sits there, rocking back and forth mumbling, why, oh why won't you just take the help... **
[18:44:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: But you're just a minion. It's your job to worry in xris's stead... =P"
[18:44:00] Beirdo: and if it wasn't there, still reading how the source gets that information is valid
[18:44:00] kormoc: hehe
[18:44:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Yep. He doesn't even have to download it what with cvsview
[18:44:00] Beirdo: yeah
[18:44:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Just didn't want to be helped.
[18:45:00] Beirdo: it took me all of 15s to find that xml file, there's no excuse
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: so I fixed my video/sound accell problem.
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: it was the ntpdate cron job
[18:45:00] Beirdo: cool
[18:45:00] Beirdo: hah
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: apparently messing up time calculations in playback
[18:45:00] Beirdo: told ya to use ntpd :)
[18:45:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: Told ya I couldn't
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: =)
[18:45:00] Beirdo: yeah
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: I would if I could, beleive me.
[18:45:00] Beirdo: cox sucks itself
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: ntpd is a far superior solution.
[18:45:00] CyberKnet: I'm still not convinced that it is cox
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: my brother is on cox and has no issues with ntpd
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: same city
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: I think it is a configuration issue.
[18:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: I'll have to get you in my box some time.
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[18:46:00] Beirdo: your firewall sucketh
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: err...
[18:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:46:00] Beirdo: niiice one
[18:46:00] CyberKnet: heh
[18:47:00] CyberKnet: see, and ntpdate connects on the same ports and ntpd I think.
[18:47:00] CyberKnet: which makes me really confused.
[18:47:00] Beirdo: ntpdate might be TCP
[18:47:00] Riff-Raff: ouch, EIA-708 has been superseded by CEA-708 and it costs $145
[18:47:00] Beirdo: muhahaha
[18:47:00] Beirdo: figures
[18:48:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I dunno, but I do know that ntpdate is to be retired soon.
[18:48:00] CyberKnet: Hmm.. says that it just uses ntpd protocol.
[18:48:00] CyberKnet: doesn't say if tcp or udp
[18:48:00] Beirdo: tcpdump will tell ya
[18:48:00] Riff-Raff: maybe I'll be able to scrape enough material from the free documents
[18:48:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:48:00] Beirdo: Riff-Raff: check with the library before totally giving up
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[18:49:00] Beirdo: if you are in Engineering, your library may well have it, or have access to it
[18:49:00] Riff-Raff: I will, but that standard is strictly US local so it's not available from ANSI or any other big players
[18:49:00] Beirdo: at UWaterloo, we had every IEEE publication, for instance
[18:50:00] Beirdo: and that's a LOT more expensive than $145 for a standard :)
[18:50:00] Beirdo: you never know until you check
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: UWaterloo. heh.
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: Poor Beirdo =)
[18:50:00] Riff-Raff: Beirdo: where are you from?
[18:50:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: UWaterloo is in the top 5 engineering schools in North America
[18:51:00] Beirdo: Canada :)
[18:51:00] Beirdo: heh. I live in Toronto now (blech)
[18:51:00] CyberKnet: He's from Iwannbeamericaland =)
[18:51:00] Riff-Raff: my history lessons put waterloo elsewhere :)
[18:51:00] A`: then I'm from Iwannabecanadianland ;)
[18:51:00] Beirdo: not that Waterloo :)
[18:51:00] Beirdo: Waterloo, ON.
[18:52:00] Beirdo: it's about 1h west of Toronto
[18:52:00] CyberKnet: french canada
[18:52:00] CyberKnet: =P"
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[18:52:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet in the nuts **
[18:52:00] Beirdo: it's in English Canada...
[18:52:00] Beirdo: actually, Waterloo and area's fairly German
[18:52:00] Riff-Raff: Yeah, I get it, I'm not that dim you know, altough sometimes it may look like that... :)
[18:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:53:00] CyberKnet: heh. Beirdo is stuck in a country that can't decide if it wants to be France, or the USA. He is to be pitied =)
[18:53:00] Beirdo: Ummm, no
[18:53:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[18:53:00] Beirdo: we are Canada, and we don't want to be anything else
[18:53:00] Riff-Raff: CyberKnet: where are you from?
[18:53:00] CyberKnet: Riff-Raff: Australia
[18:54:00] ** Beirdo throws some shrimp on CyberKnet's barbie.. **
[18:54:00] CyberKnet: although my current location is not there.
[18:54:00] ** CyberKnet throws himself on top of his sisters Barbie. **
[18:54:00] Riff-Raff: then you know what's common with making love in a canoe and australian beer?-)
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[18:54:00] Beirdo: American beer
[18:54:00] AndyCap: Riff-Raff: that would be american beer. :)
[18:54:00] Beirdo: get the quote right
[18:54:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:55:00] PoeticIntensity: G'day all.
[18:55:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:55:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm on the brink of building a myth system for my home-theater and I've got some questions about hardware... Anyone willing to help?
[18:55:00] Riff-Raff: right you are, my mistake :)
[18:55:00] Riff-Raff: good show nonetheless :)
[18:55:00] Beirdo: PoeticIntensity: go ahead and ask, we'll see what we can do
[18:56:00] PoeticIntensity: thanks....
[18:56:00] CyberKnet: Riff-Raff: the joke goes "Canadians drink cold pissy tasting beer. Americans drink cold beery tasting piss. English drink warm pissy tasting beer, and Australians will drink anything with alcohol in it."
[18:56:00] PoeticIntensity: I've heard the haugpage (sp?) 250 is a great card for TV, but doesn't support HDTV..... so I'm considering that.
[18:56:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: that is correct
[18:56:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: hehe
[18:56:00] PoeticIntensity: the "pchdtv" card supports HDTV, but only from airwaves (not comcast cable... even if it's digital)??...
[18:57:00] Riff-Raff: CyberKnet: haven't heard that, I was trying (unsuccessfully) to quote Monty Python :)
[18:57:00] PoeticIntensity: anyone had experience with those cards?
[18:57:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: the air2pc will do QAM and OTA hdtv
[18:57:00] PoeticIntensity: I would love to grab HDTV signals coming through my cable.....
[18:57:00] PoeticIntensity: I also need a remote..
[18:57:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: in theory it can
[18:57:00] PoeticIntensity: all right....
[18:57:00] PoeticIntensity: (phone.. brb)
[18:58:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Oh, the driver didn't come through yet? I thought I read that it was enabled. My bad.
[18:58:00] Beirdo: it's enabled, but not really designed to work that way, so it may not work well
[18:58:00] Beirdo: your mileage may vary, etc
[18:59:00] CyberKnet: aha.
[18:59:00] ** CyberKnet notes that his mileage is 1GB / hour SDTV and does not vary **
[18:59:00] Beirdo: 1G?
[18:59:00] Beirdo: you wuss
[18:59:00] Beirdo: 2.2G/hr
[18:59:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:59:00] CyberKnet: I have not the space required for that.
[18:59:00] PoeticIntensity: also.... does myth work on the amd64 platform?
[18:59:00] PoeticIntensity: any experience with amd64...?
[19:00:00] Beirdo: as far as I know, it should
[19:00:00] CyberKnet: I keep lusting after a MegaRaid 150–4, but as of yet have not found anyone willing to sell me one cheap enough.
[19:00:00] PoeticIntensity: I see the packages are available on gentoo portage, at least...
[19:00:00] Beirdo: I haven't tried it on my AMD64 yet
[19:00:00] PoeticIntensity: okay....
[19:00:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: with regards to a remote, buy an infra red keyboard and a learning remote. less hassle than worrying about lric.
[19:00:00] Beirdo: MegaBabe 1500?
[19:00:00] CyberKnet: That would be MegaBabe 32DDDDDDD
[19:00:00] PoeticIntensity: cyberKnet: not a bad idea....
[19:00:00] PoeticIntensity: cyberknet: any drawbacks?
[19:00:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: A lot of us go that route.
[19:01:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: Not for me. The receivers can be large-ish.
[19:01:00] Beirdo: I just use an IR keyboard
[19:01:00] PoeticIntensity: okay.... the remote is gonna be super-important, because I'm not going to direct access to the box...
[19:01:00] PoeticIntensity: it's gonna be behind a wall.
[19:01:00] Beirdo: I have no need for piddly remotes :)
[19:02:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: Remote Extender from ratshack
[19:02:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm shooting for the most "theater-like" experience for my basement...
[19:02:00] PoeticIntensity: I've never actually built a box, but I've done a bit of studying....
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[19:03:00] PoeticIntensity: what's the most compatible hardware people have had experience with?
[19:03:00] xris: pvr-250 from pcalchemy
[19:03:00] PoeticIntensity: that's what I've heard....
[19:03:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm planning on getting that.
[19:04:00] Beirdo: and make sure not to use an Athlon board with VIA chipset
[19:04:00] CyberKnet: pchdtv is compatible, but support is newer... ymmv
[19:04:00] xris: other than that, whatever you're familiar with as far as mobo/cpu
[19:04:00] beandog: Beirdo: whats wrong with athlon + via?
[19:04:00] CyberKnet: athlon board with nvidia chipset will work fine.
[19:04:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm very interested in getting it to work with amd64
[19:04:00] CyberKnet: beandog: bad DMA issue I think.
[19:04:00] PoeticIntensity: most likely an nforce-3 / 4 chipset
[19:04:00] laga: beandog: i thought you were using one?
[19:04:00] Beirdo: some of the VIA chipsets have HUGE DMA issues
[19:04:00] Beirdo: PoeticIntensity: that should do well
[19:04:00] laga: beirdo i mean 11
[19:04:00] laga: s/11/^^/
[19:04:00] beandog: CyberKnet: thx
[19:05:00] Beirdo: no, I have no VIA chipset machines at all
[19:05:00] PoeticIntensity: has anyone tried myth with an amd64?
[19:05:00] Beirdo: my PVR is nForce 2
[19:05:00] CyberKnet: beandog: in conjunction with a pvr-250, you are likely to have massive issues trying to record content.
[19:05:00] Beirdo: PoeticIntensity: I'm pretty sure some have, but I don't know if they are in the channel or awake...
[19:05:00] awb4422: Beirdo – nforce2? do you use spdif out?
[19:05:00] PoeticIntensity: beirdo: gotcha.
[19:05:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: Yes, many people have. Some are reporting compile errors... but I think they are only in the submodules such as mythmusic etc
[19:05:00] Beirdo: no I don't
[19:06:00] awb4422: blast, i can't get mine working :/
[19:06:00] beandog: CyberKnet: Ah, I dont have a pvr-250 ... using plextor
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: Best bet for that is to scan the mailing lists for AMD64 and see what it turns out.
[19:06:00] Beirdo: I use the onboard sound, I have no need for spdif
[19:06:00] PoeticIntensity: I see...
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: beandog: Man. I hope you scored that for free.
[19:06:00] beandog: CyberKnet: No, paid full price. Its nice though.
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: beandog: It has the same feature set of a PVR-250. So I'm thinking you either had a) more money than sense, or b) no free pci slots
[19:07:00] beandog: CyberKnet: works well enough in dev version, though I havent tested it extensively yet.
[19:07:00] ** CyberKnet throws Beirdo a beer. **
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[19:07:00] beandog: CyberKnet: No free PCI. Plus I can't beat mpeg4 hw encoding (which I didnt think 250 had)
[19:07:00] Beirdo: thank you... better not be a Buttwiser
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: beandog: oh yeah, that divx compression... *shrug*
[19:08:00] Beirdo: MPEG2 encoding is nicer if you ever want to make DVDs :)
[19:08:00] CyberKnet: beandog: MPEG2 makes it very easy to archive to DVD
[19:08:00] CyberKnet: yeah. what Beirdo said.
[19:08:00] beandog: I dont archive to DVDs, so its a non-issue already. :)
[19:08:00] CyberKnet: beandog: I just personally would not pay the extra $80 to get hardware DIVX encoding... but that's just my preference.
[19:09:00] beandog: CyberKnet: *shrug* still its nice if I ever want to plug it in my laptop or something.
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: there is that.
[19:09:00] PoeticIntensity: as I understand it, the only advantage to hardware encoding is speed, right?
[19:09:00] beandog: And it makes testing a lot easier ... I dont have to rip out a PCI card between my mythbox and desktop
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: you can use a lower powered back end with hardware encoding.
[19:09:00] PoeticIntensity: I see.
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[19:09:00] beandog: PoeticIntensity: Plus hw encoding doesnt use any CPU, whereas with a regular tv card, youd be using between 20% to 50% cpu to record stuff.
[19:10:00] PoeticIntensity: pvr-250 have it?
[19:10:00] beandog: Yah, mpeg2
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: PoeticIntensity: It has been my experience that the hardware encoders also have better quality tuners. again, YMMV.
[19:10:00] xris: PoeticIntensity: pvr-250 is hardware encoded mpeg2
[19:10:00] PoeticIntensity: thanks.
[19:10:00] ** xris really needs to take some time and get his pvr-150 working **
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: xris: Mail it to me, I'll get it working for you.
[19:10:00] beandog: So far *all* my tuners have been getting lousy reception one way or the other. Im beginning to think Comcast just hates me.
[19:11:00] Beirdo: nice try, CyberKnet
[19:11:00] PoeticIntensity: Does anyone know of a solution to get HDTV signals into myth from a cable (not digital cable).. ?
[19:11:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: try? nice TRY? I thought it was a nice *offer*...
[19:11:00] xris: PoeticIntensity: there is no HD over analog.
[19:11:00] PoeticIntensity: crap.
[19:12:00] Riff-Raff: are those plextors' USB capture boxes supported in linux?
[19:12:00] PoeticIntensity: yet it flows through the airwaves?
[19:12:00] xris: HD by definition is digital
[19:12:00] CyberKnet: xris: I guess in theory you could use a long piece of coax as an (admittedly bad) antenna... =P"
[19:12:00] beandog: Riff-Raff: Yah, theres an SDK downloadable on plextor.com
[19:12:00] Riff-Raff: woah!
[19:12:00] beandog: Riff-Raff: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_go7007
[19:12:00] xris: PoeticIntensity: and? never heard of packet radio?
[19:12:00] beandog: If it loads..
[19:12:00] xris: or 802.11?
[19:13:00] PoeticIntensity: xris: I'm *totally* newbie with this stuff.... I can't argue anything.
[19:13:00] beandog: meh, http://www.plextor.com/english/support/LinuxSDK.htm
[19:13:00] xris: sorry, didn't mean to sound snippy (if it came out that way)
[19:13:00] xris: anyway, yeah. HD over their air is its own new (digital) protocol.
[19:13:00] PoeticIntensity: xris: it's all good... I'm just trying to understand what to buy before I actually buy it.
[19:13:00] xris: HD over cable is specific to each cable provider.
[19:13:00] xris: usually encrypted.
[19:13:00] PoeticIntensity: xris: so I've heard....
[19:13:00] beandog: xris: I thought the pchdtv cards had coaxial in
[19:13:00] PoeticIntensity: xris: :-(
[19:13:00] beandog: Is that just for regular cable tuning I guess?
[19:13:00] xris: HD from satellite is its own thing, usually DVB (outside of the US).
[19:14:00] PoeticIntensity: would there be any advantage to having both a pvr-250 and a pchdtv card to get both analog cable and HD from the air?
[19:14:00] xris: beandog: you mean RF connector? (RCA is also coax) Yes, that's how the signal comes in from the antenna. Though they can supposedly also do QAM (unencrypted digital cable) and software-based encoding of analog cable.
[19:14:00] beandog: PoeticIntensity: You can impress your friends
[19:15:00] xris: PoeticIntensity: that's what many people do
[19:15:00] PoeticIntensity: (and I've heard the support for the pvr-250's remote is quite nice, too)
[19:15:00] xris: though I'd suggest air2pc over pchdt
[19:15:00] PoeticIntensity: URL?
[19:15:00] beandog: xris: ok, thx
[19:15:00] xris: PoeticIntensity: cyberestore.com
[19:15:00] xris: they're backordered due to too much demand and slow manufacturer.
[19:16:00] PoeticIntensity: air2pc....
[19:16:00] PoeticIntensity: that's one I haven't researched at all.
[19:16:00] beandog: Oh cool
[19:16:00] xris: it's basically the same as pchdtv, but uses a slightly easier-to-understand hardware interface, so the driver is a little more mature.
[19:16:00] beandog: http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?c . . . ducts_id=103
[19:17:00] PoeticIntensity: beandog: thanks.
[19:17:00] beandog: 2.4 only?
[19:17:00] beandog: Thats poopy.
[19:17:00] ** Beirdo bashes his head on the desk repeatedly **
[19:18:00] Beirdo: why must life always suck?
[19:18:00] Beirdo: the dig command doesn't return an error code
[19:18:00] Beirdo: bitches
[19:18:00] xris: huh? dvb driver should be fine with 2.6
[19:18:00] beandog: oh, does it just use native dvb drivers in the kernel or is it an external mod you load
[19:20:00] beandog: n/m
[19:20:00] xris: beandog: that's what makes air2pc nice.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: what makes it SUCK is the backordering
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[19:22:00] beandog: Man .. what I really need is a remote to control both my TV and my mythbox
[19:22:00] PoeticIntensity: beandog: what remote you using now?
[19:22:00] beandog: ATI
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[19:23:00] beandog: Hmm... this wouldnt be too bad with an extended usb cable — http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?products_id=83
[19:23:00] beandog: Definately not as butt ugly as my ATI usb remote
[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: Guess it all comes down to person taste. Cause the one you just linked too is ugly imho
[19:25:00] xris: if you want a good remote, just invest in a nice universal remote and program lirc to use its custom keys.
[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pro . . . 1c847f4ea424
[19:25:00] beandog: xris: any suggestions?
[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: Thats' a purdy one
[19:25:00] xris: beandog: my remote is a wireless logitech keyboard.
[19:25:00] beandog: GreyFoxx: Thats what I have
[19:26:00] beandog: Drives me insane
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: That's the Niveus remote, you said ATI which while overall similar is not identical :)
[19:26:00] beandog: I only use the arrow keys at the bottom
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: I use every button
[19:26:00] beandog: Mine looks just like that one
[19:26:00] xris: I have an x10 Lola, too (same as ati usb), but I put a staple through the receiver cable so it's out of commission until I bother to fix it.
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: My favourite remote
[19:26:00] CyberKnet: I've been eyeing that niveus remote for a while.
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: I use to controll all of my gear
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: including myth
[19:27:00] CyberKnet: if I was sure it could learn from my airboard I'd probably take the plunge after I buy my IR extenders.
[19:27:00] xris: remotes in my experience are too slow for interfacing with mythtv. scrolling takes forever.
[19:27:00] beandog: xris: cant you just fix that with xmodmap?
[19:27:00] beandog: xris: er, something ... keyboard repeat rate
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: Why not just use the RF mod to talk to the pc ?
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: mode
[19:27:00] beandog: GreyFoxx: How do you get it to control everything? You mean like your TV too?
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: Everything
[19:28:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I may do that instead of the IR extender actually. I keep forgetting that this one has the RF too.
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: TV, DVD player, Stereo Receiver, Myth, etc
[19:28:00] beandog: How in the world did you do that
[19:28:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: The only hangup I have is whether or not it can learn from my airboard.
[19:28:00] beandog: Oh wait, maybe it has something to do with the TV, DVD, etc, buttons?
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: It's a Unversal Learning IR remote, as well as the RF to the USB dongle on the pc
[19:28:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I know my Zenith remote wouldn't learn from the airboard, and my PDA also had issues learning from it.
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: So IR to control the regular stuff, and RF to the pc
[19:29:00] beandog: Doh
[19:29:00] beandog: Time to RTFM I s'pose.
[19:29:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: I have an airboard in my basement. If I've got batteries I can test for ya
[19:29:00] beandog: GreyFoxx: Are you using lirc with it?
[19:29:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: no
[19:29:00] beandog: Just the module?
[19:29:00] GreyFoxx: I hacked up the ati_remote driver to support it and map every button
[19:30:00] beandog: I thought it got all the buttons already
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[19:30:00] beandog: I kind of remember mine hitting most of them
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: the button codes are different on the remotes. They all have the same basic hardware and protocal but use different button codes.
[19:30:00] beandog: Then I just used xmodmap
[19:30:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: That would be awesome if you couuld.
[19:31:00] GreyFoxx: The ATI, LOLA, Niveus, Medion, etc all are basically the same with different codes and slightly different protocols
[19:31:00] beandog: Ah
[19:31:00] beandog: youre using the Niveus you said, didnt you?
[19:31:00] GreyFoxx: Yes
[19:31:00] beandog: hmm
[19:31:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Did you have to hack up the driver to get niveus support, or is it native?
[19:31:00] beandog: Mine (ATI) should still be able to controlt he TV though right?
[19:31:00] GreyFoxx: Well, Actually "OneBox" which was the company name before they changed to Niveus
[19:32:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: I honestly couldn't tell ya 100%. I would expect it too, but your manuals should tell ya
[19:32:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: I had to add it
[19:32:00] beandog: Yah, ill take a look at it. I know its got the buttons on there.
[19:32:00] beandog: The only other problem is mine doesnt even work twelve feet through walls.
[19:32:00] GreyFoxx: I use mine all over the house
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: well, I should say. I have used it all over the house as a test. But it stays in one room :)
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: most of the time heh
[19:33:00] beandog: Is it usb 1.1 or 2?
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: no idea, usb1 I think
[19:33:00] beandog: hmm
[19:34:00] beandog: Dunno why I get sucky reception on mine
[19:34:00] Ivan_Alias``: anyone have experience withg xvmc and nvidia cards?
[19:35:00] rhygin: Ivan: I've used it... I find it causes more problems than it solves...
[19:35:00] Ivan_Alias``: this is my expereince, i've not managed to get it working
[19:35:00] CyberKnet: beandog: you get sucky reception with a niveus?
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Old house, or new house?
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: I've used it just to test that it works, but not other than that
[19:36:00] beandog: CyberKnet: No, ATI USB Remote
[19:36:00] Ivan_Alias``: im running myth on a 733mhz pc, which just about is ok, but I was wondering if thiswould help
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: 20 years old
[19:36:00] beandog: GreyFoxx: How did you get it working? I can't even encode an xvmc-playable file.
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: I just compiled in xvmc support, enabled xvmc for playback , and played a file
[19:37:00] Ivan_Alias``: is nvmc compiled into myth or do I need to install a library in addition to the nvidia driver?
[19:37:00] rhygin: ivan: theorectially it should but with my setup (nvidia 5200) it would always hang when trying to resume from pause
[19:37:00] rhygin: so I decided against using
[19:37:00] rhygin: the CPU hangs around 20% without it which is fine IMHO
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: Ivan_Alias``: the xvmc library should come with the nvidia driver, but you have to compile myth to support it
[19:37:00] Malinon: GreyFoxx: If the ATI, Lola, Niveus, and Medion are basically the same... does that mean that their receiver hardware is interchangeable? I.e. I own a Lola with its RF receiver... if I then had a Niveus would it work with that same receiver?
[19:37:00] beandog: Ivan_Alias``: Its a configuration option you can pass
[19:37:00] Ivan_Alias``: im just using 0.17 a' la Jarod's guide
[19:38:00] rhygin: nvmc is a driver option on nvidia's binary drivers
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[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: Malinon: From what I've been told yes
[19:38:00] Ivan_Alias``: so I need to check my nvidia driver then..
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: But I've never had oppurtunity to test
[19:38:00] rhygin: then in your TV output settings you Enable XVMC (it's the same page as the PVR-350 output)
[19:38:00] rhygin: are you using the binary driver?
[19:38:00] rhygin: in your xorg.conf under the video card you should have a line: Driver "nvidia" instead of Driver "nv"
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: I'm referring to dealing with the receiver and the packets received from the remote. Not specifically the remote <-> receiver communication
[19:38:00] Ivan_Alias``: yes, I've not compiled is specifically
[19:39:00] Ivan_Alias``: correct, I have nvidia
[19:39:00] Ivan_Alias``: and an alias in my modprobe.conf
[19:39:00] Ivan_Alias``: I see the option in the GUI to enable it, but doing that makes playback really jerky and it falls over
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[19:40:00] beandog: What card are you using
[19:40:00] Ivan_Alias``: geforce4MX
[19:41:00] beandog: poop, that was the one I was gonna get.
[19:41:00] beandog: So much for that idea.
[19:41:00] Ivan_Alias``: well the card is great, but I seem to have a problem with config..
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: I use a GF4MX 440 in all my machines
[19:42:00] rhygin: just don't use XvMC
[19:42:00] rhygin: if you'r CPU can take it
[19:42:00] rhygin: after a week of tinkering it just wasn't worth it for me
[19:42:00] Ivan_Alias``: it can cope just about without it, i just wondered why it wasnt working
[19:43:00] beandog: rhygin: what is the (supposed) advantage to xvmc, anyway?
[19:43:00] Ivan_Alias``: its supposed to help mpeg2 playabck isnt it
[19:44:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: So I would then use this *instead* of the keyboard, not to learn the keyboard codes.
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Your card will do some of the mpeg decoding work so that your CPU doesn't have too
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: That's what I use it for. The system see's it as keystrokes because of the driver
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Just looks like a USB keyboard and mouse
[19:45:00] Ivan_Alias``: currently my cpu islower playing back xvid than mpeg2, which I thought was weird
[19:45:00] Ivan_Alias``: is lower
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: mpeg4 is more complex, so that makes sense
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: the usb dongle... is it an ir receiver or ir transceiver?
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: RF RF RF
[19:45:00] beandog: heh
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: *think skull*
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: s/n/c/
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: I was thinking it received in RF and IR.
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: my bad.
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: RF keyboard and learning remote.
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: gotta keep that in my dumb head.
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: =)
[19:46:00] beandog: Maybe mine isn't really RF... that would explain a lot .. hmm
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[19:46:00] beandog: No, that's not it. Darnit.
[19:47:00] beandog: I just have walls of lead or something.
[19:47:00] Ivan_Alias``: i have the ati remote and its cool
[19:47:00] Ivan_Alias``: you are supposed to be able to change ati_remote.c and enable all the buttons
[19:47:00] beandog: Mine has to go 12 feet through one wall and it cant do it.
[19:47:00] Ivan_Alias``: but I've not got that to work yet
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[19:47:00] CyberKnet: beandog: Sometimes older houses are like that.
[19:47:00] beandog: It's an apartment ... only 3 years old too. :T
[19:48:00] CyberKnet: I think my house prevents my wireless network from getting good signal.
[19:48:00] CyberKnet: beandog: hmm... no answer for that.
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[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: Lots of concrete and lead in apartments. Especially in newer ones
[19:48:00] AngryAussie: Could anyone help me with a error while installing myth?
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: helps insulate heat and noise
[19:49:00] beandog: Do some of the buttons of the Niveus work with the native ATI driver, or do you have to hack it no matter what
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: beandog: It wont even reconize the receiver without editing the driver
[19:49:00] beandog: GreyFoxx: Yah .. Im gonna see if I can get a 20ft usb extender and have the receiver next to my TV. That should work.
[19:49:00] Ivan_Alias``: lots of buttons work fine in FC3
[19:50:00] AngryAussie: G'day mates?
[19:50:00] beandog: Well Im all about making things needlessly difficult
[19:50:00] AngryAussie: Crikey!
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[19:50:00] beandog: Don't ask to ask, AngryAussie ... just ask. ;)
[19:50:00] Beirdo: AngryAussie: I think you wanna talk to CyberKnet...
[19:50:00] Beirdo: he's a silly aussie living in the US
[19:50:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:50:00] laga: hi noe
[19:50:00] AngryAussie: :0)
[19:51:00] AngryAussie: I think I had a sql problum, I'm reinstalling. I can't wait to get mythtv up!
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Work is now asking if I'll work in Europe for the next 3 months. So I might be gone more than I expected :)
[19:51:00] AngryAussie: soooooo I guess.......
[19:51:00] beandog: reinstalling what? myth? or everything?
[19:51:00] Beirdo: sonvabitch :)
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[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: They were gonna fly me back and forth, but I'm gonna offer them, that if they pay for my GF's ticket I'll bring her and not have to fly back the other times and in the end save them the cost of several flights
[19:53:00] OptimisticAussie: Yep everything
[19:53:00] OptimisticAussie: It's like my 10th install on my 3rd linux distro :0(
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: She doesn't have a job that would conflict?
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: No, she's home taking care of our Daugter
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: So I'd bring them both
[19:54:00] CyberKnet: so long as they dont have you living in a hotel room for 3 months =)
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: as long as it has a kitchen I wouldn't care
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: but they are talking about some corporate apartment, so I dunno
[19:57:00] beandog: OptimisticAussie: Whats the problem been?
[19:57:00] OptimisticAussie: I think, It's Sql, So I'm doing a quick format and reinstall with extra attention to sql :0)
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[20:02:00] Netslayer: build died "/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin /ld: cannot find -lGL"
[20:02:00] Netslayer: any ideas?
[20:03:00] ** GreyFoxx takes a stab and guesses that it can't find libGL :) **
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[20:03:00] Netslayer: is that what -lGL is?
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: Link in linGL
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: libGL
[20:03:00] Netslayer: any idea what package that would be
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: the "lib" is implies
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: Mine comes with the nvidia driver
[20:04:00] Netslayer: mine should to
[20:04:00] kevarh: Does anyone do X on the 350's tv out?
[20:04:00] kevarh: Oh, with the latest ivtv driver.
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[20:06:00] ProtocoLD: kevarh, I have a pvr350 and have yet been able to get any tv-out working with it other then manually piping an file drectly to it
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[20:07:00] kevarh: ProtocoLD I have you beet there :)
[20:07:00] ProtocoLD: i also built it with a newer 2.6.10 kernel that has the ivtv drivers
[20:07:00] ProtocoLD: kevarh, beat in what sense ?
[20:07:00] ProtocoLD: being worse off ?
[20:07:00] ProtocoLD: :)
[20:08:00] kevarh: I can get mythtv to use the decoder, and I had X working with the old drivers.
[20:08:00] ProtocoLD: ahh
[20:08:00] ProtocoLD: that I've got working with no problems
[20:08:00] ProtocoLD: green screen ?
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[20:08:00] kevarh: green screen ?
[20:09:00] ProtocoLD: does your tv-out display a green screen
[20:09:00] akawaka: how come mythvideo thinks all my videos are 0 seconds in length?
[20:09:00] kevarh: Nope, it works fine.
[20:09:00] ProtocoLD: what distro are you using and what kernel ?
[20:09:00] kevarh: Gentoo 2.6.11-gentoo-r5
[20:09:00] ProtocoLD: ahh
[20:09:00] ProtocoLD: so your in the same boat
[20:09:00] ProtocoLD: you can't get tv-out
[20:09:00] kevarh: 0.3.0q drivers.
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[20:10:00] kevarh: X on tv out :)
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: were at opposite ends
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[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: sort of
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: hehe
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: can you manually pipe a file to it ?
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: well... i suppose in your case it's different since you have X
[20:10:00] OptimisticAussie: X? like Extacy?
[20:10:00] ProtocoLD: nm
[20:11:00] kevarh: Haven't tried, but like I said mythfrontend plays tv on it fine.
[20:11:00] OptimisticAussie: or Xorg?
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[20:11:00] kevarh: Xorg-X11
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[20:32:00] Netslayer: what does this do? mysql> truncate table program;
[20:32:00] Netslayer: delete the table that holds the listings only?
[20:32:00] emes: everything seems to be off one hour since daylight savings time, i ran mythfilldatabase but that didnt fix it... what do i do?
[20:32:00] opello: downgrade to qt-3.3.3
[20:33:00] emes: what?
[20:33:00] opello: Beirdo: you should add that to the topic
[20:33:00] emes: what does qt have to do with it?
[20:33:00] Netslayer: emes, it's a bug
[20:33:00] opello: read: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
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[20:34:00] Netslayer: emes, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/122546
[20:34:00] Netslayer: emes, theres a gentoo patch out from the one in cvs
[20:34:00] jsheedy: to get SPDIF to work with mythtv do you need the .asound file setup?
[20:35:00] Netslayer: jsheedy, no i use digital out and i used alsamixer to enable it
[20:35:00] emes: Netslayer: do i just downgrade it on the server or on all clients too?
[20:35:00] jsheedy: Netslayer: what sound card do you have?
[20:35:00] Netslayer: emes, i dunno i have the same problem, i just patched mythtv and recompiled it on all my backends.. i'm seeing if it works now
[20:35:00] Netslayer: jsheedy, audigy
[20:36:00] emes: opello: do i just downgrade it on the server or on all clients too?
[20:36:00] opello: dunno, i just have 1 machine
[20:36:00] jsheedy: Netslayer: so what si the name under alsamixer?
[20:36:00] opello: i would presume the clients though, since qt is the client, and you don't need qt on the backend
[20:37:00] opello: qt is the kde widget set, it's used inside x
[20:37:00] Netslayer: jsheedy, Audigy Analog/Digital output jack on/off
[20:37:00] Netslayer: opello, i would say more so the master backend
[20:38:00] Netslayer: opello, it holds the database and parses the listings
[20:38:00] opello: Netslayer: i was under the impression that you didn't need qt for the backend?
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: You do need it
[20:38:00] jsheedy: Netslayer: I dont see anything here for my card, I wonder if I have to compile it differently (intel 810)
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: It's not just gui functions
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: It's also used for database access and god knows what else
[20:38:00] opello: ah, so the backend requires x too?
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: installed at least, doesn't need to run
[20:39:00] kormoc: well, x headers at least.
[20:39:00] opello: i would think that they should be more independent, oh well
[20:40:00] Netslayer: jsheedy, all the options change per card, ya i would wonder that too i was going to try the onboard at800 or whatever with the intel chipset today
[20:40:00] jsheedy: Netslayer: ok, thanks
[20:43:00] Netslayer: btw http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
[20:43:00] Netslayer: they have instructions, patches and ebuilds
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[20:43:00] Netslayer: for the DST bug
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[20:53:00] xortch: all of the time data for my install of myth is screwed up. something about day light savings time
[20:55:00] Netslayer: xortch, lol we need someone to add this to the title
[20:56:00] Netslayer: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/122546
[20:56:00] Netslayer: patch is out in myth cvs
[20:56:00] xortch: im on satellite tv i think so its confusing even more so
[20:56:00] Netslayer: if you use gentoo you can do this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87947
[20:56:00] Netslayer: xortch, no it's a DST time bug with mythtv + qt
[20:56:00] OptimisticAussie: gentoo you say?
[20:56:00] Netslayer: read the gossamer url
[20:56:00] Netslayer: i just finished doing the new gentoo ebuild and the instructions there, works fine
[20:59:00] awb4422: has anyone gotten optical spdif out working in here?
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[21:03:00] Dr_Barnowl: nvidia drivers 7174? What's the general experience here?
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: I had a bunch of trouble with them(with kernel 2.6.11.5) and had to go back to 6229(which required patching to work)
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: XV was broken, overscan was broken, and a few other small things
[21:04:00] xortch: 7167 work just fine
[21:05:00] Dr_Barnowl: I find that 7167 cause lots of crashes when using XvMC
[21:06:00] Dr_Barnowl: If I scan foward or backward, X goes into an infinite loop.
[21:07:00] Dr_Barnowl: But the playbacks is so much smoother, I'd really like to get it working.
[21:07:00] xortch: scan with what
[21:07:00] Dr_Barnowl: mythtv
[21:09:00] Dr_Barnowl: You can especially see the diffence when playing back horizontally scrolling text ; jittery without XvMC, smooth as silk with it.
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[21:09:00] xortch: how do i use that ebuild for the .17 fixes?
[21:10:00] Dr_Barnowl: I don't know.... I got sick of it and went to CVS
[21:12:00] OptimisticAussie: does mythtv automaticly rip dvdz?
[21:14:00] Dr_Barnowl: If you build mythdvd with the transcode option, yes. Not that I can get it work :)
[21:15:00] stealth: how can i have myth use the digital capture from my bt87x instead of using the loop back audio into my sound card? i have snd_bt87x loaded but in myth all i get is noise like its on composite instead of tv?
[21:15:00] Dr_Barnowl: Onto the next question, for transcode support, does mtd have to be running all the time?
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[21:23:00] stealth: if i buy a pvr card does it use digital capture of will i have to do the audio loop into my sound card?
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[21:28:00] gr8nash: stealth, no you dont have to with many digital cards
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[21:29:00] gr8nash: and some analog cards.. ie ivtv stuff
[21:29:00] Coume: hi there
[21:30:00] stealth: gr8nash, well i have snd_bt87x loaded and in alsamixer -c 1 i have TV Tuner set to CAPTUR but yet; no sound in myth live tv
[21:30:00] gr8nash: i only use ivtv and pchdtv cards sorry
[21:31:00] stealth: how would you setup your ivtv or pchdtv card to use digital capture, there would be that much of a difference, you have a alsamixer for it right?
[21:32:00] laga: 22:21 < laga> hey chutt, i saw your posting on the ML. are you really going to
[21:32:00] laga: release 0.18 next weekend?
[21:32:00] laga: FYI
[21:32:00] laga: 22:23 < Chutt> yup
[21:33:00] stealth: ugh, wtf
[21:33:00] stealth: no support
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[21:37:00] wefadg: hi
[21:37:00] wefadg: can anyone help me setup ss2 in MDK10.1 please
[21:37:00] wefadg: i am at the point of kernel modules
[21:37:00] wefadg: have the newest kernel
[21:39:00] davis: hello
[21:40:00] davis: i have now got sound working and the ivtv driver working.
[21:40:00] davis: i can capture and playback video's using the command line tools.
[21:40:00] davis: however, I have a problem with the myth backend and frontend.
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[21:42:00] davis: when I run mythtv it says "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?"
[21:42:00] davis: mythtv-setup seems to work.
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[21:43:00] candc540: i'm finally home
[21:43:00] candc540: ;)
[21:43:00] kormoc: davis, did you start the backend?
[21:43:00] candc540: time to work on tv out for ati card
[21:44:00] davis: kormoc: yes
[21:44:00] candc540: oh great more people that didn't RTFM
[21:44:00] candc540: haha
[21:44:00] candc540: :p
[21:44:00] kormoc: davis, and it didn't spit out any errors or warnings?
[21:45:00] davis: i have some some problems in syslog though.
[21:45:00] kormoc: such as?
[21:45:00] davis: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start does not do them.
[21:45:00] davis: but in the var/log it says
[21:45:00] davis: stb gconfd sighup received reloading all databases.
[21:46:00] davis: resolved address ... readonly ...
[21:46:00] kormoc: throw it up into a pastebin.ca?
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[21:47:00] davis: also, /etc/init.d/mythtv-backed start says nothing.
[21:47:00] davis: but, /etc/init.d/mythtv-backed stop says nothing killed. nothing running.
[21:48:00] kormoc: ya, cause it's not running anymore
[21:48:00] kormoc: cause it errored out somewhere
[21:48:00] kormoc: if you want to see the console messages
[21:48:00] kormoc: run it via mythbackend in a console
[21:48:00] candc540: davis, is the mythtv-backend script pointing to the correct location of mythbackend?
[21:48:00] kormoc: not via the service start in /etc/init.d
[21:48:00] candc540: sorry for jumping in kormoc
[21:48:00] kormoc: candc540, no problemo
[21:48:00] davis: hmm
[21:49:00] candc540: i had that problem
[21:49:00] stealth: wow no sound, and great .. 10 seconds to change the channel
[21:49:00] davis: i dont know. let me look at the script.
[21:49:00] candc540: stealth what card
[21:49:00] candc540: was looking in /usr/sbin/mythbackend when it was in /usr/local/sbin/mythbackend
[21:49:00] davis: no.
[21:50:00] candc540: no as in not pointing to correct location or no as in not the solution
[21:50:00] davis: the script is using /usr/bin/mythtvbackend and it exists in that dir.
[21:50:00] stealth: candc540, bt87x, i believe its an ati i know no mpeg encoding but i would hope i could atleast watch/pause live tv. i have it in a 2ghz cpu comp
[21:50:00] candc540: ahhh
[21:50:00] candc540: i had an ati
[21:50:00] kormoc: davis, run /usr/bin/mythtvbackend and see what messages it outputs
[21:50:00] candc540: returned it for a pvr-150
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[21:51:00] candc540: a not fully functional pvr-150 works better than a ati :)
[21:51:00] davis: access denied for user mythtv@stb using password YES
[21:51:00] candc540: but that's just
[21:51:00] candc540: me
[21:51:00] davis: i had to use user root in my mysql.txt file.
[21:51:00] candc540: i saw that before
[21:52:00] candc540: i had that problem too davis
[21:52:00] kormoc: davis, did you set it to use root in your myth-setup then as well?
[21:52:00] davis: dont know
[21:52:00] stealth: candc540, does the pvr use digital audio capture?
[21:52:00] candc540: general setup
[21:52:00] candc540: as far as i know
[21:52:00] Dibblah: Mmmm... I now have a slightly less hackish SVideo input on the PVR-150.
[21:52:00] candc540: it goes across the pci bus
[21:52:00] Dibblah: stealth: No, it doesn't.
[21:52:00] stealth: hmm
[21:52:00] mtjs: I got 'prebuffering pause' with mythfrontend
[21:52:00] candc540: no extrenal cables like ati crap
[21:52:00] stealth: thats stupid
[21:53:00] mtjs: and then the image stops a bit
[21:53:00] stealth: wait, it does or it dosent?
[21:53:00] Dibblah: stealth: Ah. I see... Yes, it does :)
[21:53:00] stealth: ok
[21:53:00] stealth: better for $150
[21:53:00] candc540: no connector on outside of case
[21:53:00] candc540: no should be 99.99 at compusa
[21:53:00] candc540: and circuit city
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[21:53:00] kormoc: davis, rerun mythsetup and check?
[21:53:00] candc540: and maybe even best buy but compusa and circuit city have em for sure
[21:54:00] candc540: davis, it's under the general setup
[21:54:00] Dibblah: stealth: The card just gives a ready-muxed MPEG2 stream, straight from the cable port...
[21:54:00] davis: i am looking in myth-setup general tab bud I dont see it.
[21:54:00] mtjs: I have a realy fast machiene, so I don't think it's that :)
[21:54:00] candc540: should be there
[21:54:00] stealth: i hope so
[21:54:00] davis: i see host address setup
[21:54:00] davis: but no user
[21:54:00] kormoc: huh, I thought there was one in there
[21:54:00] candc540: it's there
[21:55:00] kormoc: well, you could fix it via giving the mythtv user access to the database too
[21:55:00] Dibblah: What you looking for?
[21:55:00] candc540: i just checked
[21:55:00] davis: dont I just need to add the mythtv access to database?
[21:55:00] kormoc: which is the correct and proper way to do it
[21:55:00] candc540: yeah i think you have to login as root
[21:55:00] davis: how do I add access to the database?
[21:55:00] candc540: then type some command
[21:55:00] davis: i am root in diff window.
[21:55:00] candc540: mysql -u root -p mythconverg
[21:55:00] candc540: then uh
[21:55:00] candc540: i dunno
[21:55:00] candc540: one sec
[21:56:00] kormoc: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[21:56:00] kormoc: follow the directions from Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems
[21:56:00] davis: i have done that already.
[21:56:00] Dibblah: Specifically,
[21:56:00] Dibblah: $ mysql -u root mythconverg
[21:56:00] Dibblah: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";
[21:56:00] Dibblah: mysql> flush privileges;
[21:56:00] davis: ahh
[21:57:00] Dibblah: make sure 192.168.1.% is YOUR network address.
[21:57:00] Dibblah: Been there, done that ;)
[21:57:00] candc540: yep but in my case i leave it wide open
[21:58:00] candc540: can't you make it 192.168.%.%?
[21:58:00] kormoc: password protected behind a firewall :P
[21:58:00] kormoc: candc540, sure can, but some people use 10.x.x.x as internal networks too
[21:58:00] candc540: <-- behind firewall
[21:59:00] candc540: can't you just make it %.%.%.% and that should about cover it
[21:59:00] candc540: :p
[21:59:00] kormoc: could just not limit it by any ip, sure
[21:59:00] kormoc: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"*" identified by "mythtv";
[21:59:00] davis: well, didnt work for me. must be doing something wrong.
[22:00:00] kormoc: type in a term
[22:00:00] davis: as root, i did:
[22:00:00] davis: mysql -u root -p mythconverg
[22:00:00] davis: entered password
[22:00:00] kormoc: try in a console
[22:00:00] davis: grant all .... to mythv@"127.0.0.1" identified by "mythtv";
[22:00:00] kormoc: mysql -u mythtv mythconverg
[22:01:00] davis: then flush privileges.
[22:01:00] davis: no warnings or errors.
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[22:01:00] candc540: good
[22:01:00] candc540: you're half way there i think
[22:01:00] davis: then as root, I did /usr/bin/mythbacked and it said mythv does not have perms.
[22:01:00] ** kormoc points davis to his sudgestion of the next step **
[22:02:00] davis: mysql -u mythtv mythconverg says
[22:02:00] davis: error access deneied for user mythtv@localhost using password NO
[22:02:00] kormoc: oops
[22:03:00] kormoc: add a -p in there...
[22:03:00] kormoc: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[22:03:00] davis: if I add -p do I use the admin passwd?
[22:03:00] kormoc: no, the mythtv user password
[22:03:00] davis: what is the mythtv user password?
[22:03:00] kormoc: donno, what did you set it to? :P
[22:04:00] davis: heh
[22:04:00] davis: i dont know.
[22:04:00] davis: i dont recall setting it.
[22:04:00] kormoc: why it's x321nsaASF523#@325
[22:04:00] davis: heh
[22:04:00] kormoc: welp
[22:04:00] kormoc: we can reset it then
[22:04:00] davis: can I set it with mysqladmin command?
[22:04:00] kormoc: you can set it in mysql -u root
[22:05:00] davis: okay i have a mysql> prompt
[22:05:00] davis: password mythtv?
[22:05:00] kormoc: we want to drop all the old grants that have mythtv as the name.
[22:06:00] kormoc: try
[22:06:00] kormoc: DROP USER mythtv;
[22:06:00] kormoc: erm
[22:06:00] kormoc: wait, what version of mysql are you using?
[22:07:00] davis: version; does not say.
[22:07:00] davis: that syntax failed.
[22:07:00] davis: error in SQL syntax
[22:07:00] kormoc: mysql's user thing is rather sucky.
[22:07:00] davis: yeah
[22:08:00] kormoc: open up another term, type in mysql --version and see what it says
[22:08:00] davis: 12.22
[22:08:00] kormoc: 4.12.22?
[22:09:00] davis: ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24
[22:09:00] kormoc: kk, 4.0.24 is the version number we wanted
[22:09:00] kormoc: let's try
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[22:10:00] kormoc: REVOKE ALL PRIVILEGESON ON *.* FROM mythtv;
[22:11:00] kormoc: REVOKE GRANT OPTION ON *.* FROM mythtv;
[22:11:00] kormoc: DELETE FROM mysql.user WHERE User='mythtv';
[22:11:00] kormoc: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[22:12:00] davis: done. and many thanks SQL expert.
[22:12:00] kormoc: heh, I'm no expert :)
[22:12:00] davis: that is the most SQL I have seen in my life.
[22:12:00] davis: heh
[22:12:00] kormoc: now we'll do the grant querys again
[22:13:00] kormoc: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";
[22:13:00] kormoc: flush privileges;
[22:13:00] kormoc: and then in your second term, you should be able to log in with mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg with a password of mythtv
[22:15:00] davis: yes
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[22:15:00] davis: how did you specify the password of mythtv to the user mythtv?
[22:16:00] kormoc: grant all on database.* to user@"ipaddressmask" identified by "password";
[22:16:00] davis: ahh. that's cool.
[22:17:00] davis: however, /usr/bin/mythbacked gives same result. access denied for user mythtv@stb
[22:17:00] kormoc: okay
[22:17:00] kormoc: so rerun mythtv-setup and go though all the screens, one of them should have a user and password for the database
[22:17:00] kormoc: or it's not set right in your mysql.txt
[22:19:00] davis: i did not see a user or password setting in the gernel part.
[22:19:00] davis: do I need to delete my .mythtv/mysql.txt file?
[22:19:00] kormoc: hrm
[22:19:00] davis: also, I am running this as user davis.
[22:19:00] kormoc: edit it and see what it says?
[22:19:00] davis: not root.
[22:19:00] ** kormoc nods **
[22:19:00] kormoc: and you are running myth-setup as davis, right?
[22:19:00] davis: user name is root
[22:19:00] davis: right
[22:20:00] davis: err, DBUserName=root
[22:20:00] ** kormoc nods **
[22:20:00] davis: DBPassword=changeme
[22:20:00] kormoc: what about the system mysql.txt?
[22:20:00] davis: system mysql.txt?
[22:20:00] kormoc: yeah, you'll need to change that for the mythfrontend to work
[22:21:00] kormoc: mythbackend is run as a service, as root usually, there's a second mysql.txt file that holds the database infor for the backend
[22:21:00] kormoc: on gentoo, it's /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt iirc
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[22:21:00] davis: yah i am changing it now.
[22:21:00] davis: same place
[22:22:00] davis: it was mytthv and some weird password.
[22:22:00] davis: i changed it to be root and changme as well.
[22:22:00] kormoc: well
[22:22:00] kormoc: it /should/ work fine as mythtv/mythtv
[22:22:00] kormoc: why don't you try that?
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[22:22:00] kormoc: and user root password changeme won't work, unless your mysql root pass is infact changeme
[22:23:00] davis: access denied for user mythtv@stb
[22:23:00] davis: it is changeme. that is how I was doing your sql commands.
[22:23:00] kormoc: huh
[22:23:00] davis: mysql -u root -p
[22:23:00] davis: then I would enter changeme
[22:24:00] davis: then I would get a mysql prompt and enter commands.
[22:24:00] kormoc: it shouldn't be tring to run as mythtv@stb then, it should be root@stb...
[22:24:00] candc540: just installed new drivers
[22:24:00] candc540: be back soon
[22:24:00] ** kormoc waves **
[22:24:00] davis: but I thought we just added access as mythtv:mythtv
[22:24:00] candc540: oh what about the hosts file
[22:24:00] kormoc: yeah
[22:24:00] candc540: should map localhost stb to 127.0.0.1
[22:25:00] kormoc: but if you just set the mysql.txt to user root pass changeme
[22:25:00] candc540: doubt it but....
[22:25:00] kormoc: candc540, I had him use % as the ipmask, it should allow local and all that jazz
[22:25:00] davis: i tried both ways.
[22:25:00] kormoc: hrm
[22:25:00] candc540: restarting lets hope the ati driver don't kill my system
[22:25:00] kormoc: but mysql -umythtv -pmythtv works?
[22:25:00] candc540: bbiab
[22:25:00] davis: mysql -u mythtv -p works
[22:26:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:26:00] davis: i enter mythtv as passwd
[22:26:00] candc540: then it should freakin work then
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[22:26:00] davis: i wonder if I should continue with the backend part.
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[22:26:00] kormoc: uhh
[22:26:00] kormoc: backend has to be running before the frontend can
[22:26:00] davis: it says would I like to configure the database connection now?
[22:27:00] kormoc: yeah?
[22:27:00] kormoc: sure, give it a whirl.
[22:27:00] kormoc: (frontend, right?)
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[22:27:00] davis: it didn't help. it just runs in a circle.
[22:28:00] kormoc: and you edited ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt to user mythtv pass mythtv?
[22:28:00] davis: yes
[22:28:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:28:00] kormoc: run the backend
[22:28:00] davis: DBHostName=stb
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[22:28:00] kormoc: does stb map to localhost?
[22:28:00] davis: DBUserName=mythtv
[22:28:00] davis: DBName=mythtv
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[22:29:00] davis: DBPassword=mythtv
[22:29:00] davis: ping stb pings 127.0.0.1
[22:29:00] davis: i wonder if that should be mythconver
[22:29:00] davis: i wonder if that should be mythconverg
[22:30:00] kormoc: yes
[22:30:00] kormoc: the dbname should be mythconverg
[22:30:00] davis: hmm.
[22:31:00] davis: i just noticed that even though I was running as root and changing the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file.
[22:31:00] davis: it was using the /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt file.
[22:31:00] beandog: Even if it pings to 127.0.0.1, mysql might only be listening on host localhost
[22:31:00] beandog: That is, in mysql..user it might only have localhost as the host
[22:31:00] kormoc: ooh, true
[22:32:00] beandog: I dunno how it is, I havent looked at it in a while.
[22:32:00] davis: its working now.
[22:32:00] davis: geez.
[22:32:00] kormoc: yay
[22:32:00] davis: many thanks dude.
[22:32:00] kormoc: no problems.
[22:32:00] davis: msg me your address and I will send you a postcard.
[22:32:00] kormoc: hehe
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[22:41:00] candc540: ok anyone got tv out working on a radeon 8500 or higher
[22:41:00] candc540: i got video displaying on monitor and tv out in console but when i get to x tv cuts out
[22:42:00] candc540: and getting an nvidia card is not a solution :p
[22:45:00] kormoc: sure it is, just one you're not prepaired to accept :P
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[22:47:00] candc540: do i want quad buffer stereo?
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[22:47:00] candc540: difference between NTSC-M and NTSC-N?
[22:48:00] CyberKnet: holy shit. a truck that only gets 7 miles to the gallon. that is insufferable.
[22:48:00] candc540: what standard is used in the USA
[22:49:00] kormoc: NTSC-N iirc
[22:49:00] candc540: ok i hope so
[22:51:00] Ralpha6: 16gig for a 30 min show, guess I won't be using transcoding anymore till I figure what I'm doing
[22:52:00] candc540: brb
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[22:53:00] candc540: ha tv out works great on ati :p
[22:53:00] cassiopea: I'm having some trouble getting audio when I watch livetv. Mythtv doesn't seem to be muting and unmuting the tuner card properly. If I unmute it manually using v4lctl, I get audio, but then the video is delayed from the audio
[22:54:00] candc540: just needs a little adjusting
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[22:58:00] mchou: hehe, found and bought 2 refurb Viewsonics P220f for $80 each locally. :)
[22:58:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[22:58:00] mchou: would probably cost me $80 each just to get them shipped.
[22:59:00] mchou: hey defaultro
[22:59:00] defaultro: am I correct that what you had before was a comcast analog?
[22:59:00] mchou: yeah, I'm only subscribed to "limited basic."
[22:59:00] defaultro: so any updates?
[22:59:00] defaultro: good news?
[22:59:00] mchou: that's not even the "full" basic tier.
[23:00:00] mchou: nope. But could have been operator error on my end :)
[23:00:00] defaultro: huh
[23:00:00] defaultro: what do you mean?
[23:00:00] defaultro: are you saying that it works on other people?
[23:01:00] mchou: yeah......
[23:01:00] defaultro: hmmm
[23:01:00] defaultro: how did they prove you?
[23:01:00] mchou: could be a headend issue, dunno really what's going on.....
[23:01:00] mchou: no, not yet.
[23:01:00] defaultro: i mean, how did the other people prove that it was working on theirs?
[23:02:00] Dr_Barnowl: Wow, 7174 seems to work perfectly.
[23:02:00] mchou: they haven't. I'm just going by what ppl are saying on forums.....some have it, some dont.
[23:02:00] defaultro: oh ok
[23:02:00] mchou: no rhyme or reason.
[23:03:00] defaultro: i still can't switch. I hate my current f*ck*ng internet provider, they're charging me $139 for not complete the 2 year contract
[23:03:00] mchou: I think most ppl dont really have qam tuners, they get STB box from cable.
[23:03:00] defaultro: completing
[23:03:00] mchou: defaultro: who is the provider?
[23:03:00] defaultro: fox valley internet
[23:03:00] defaultro: so are we saying that it might be a code problem for the air2pc
[23:04:00] mchou: 2 yr contract???
[23:04:00] defaultro: yeah
[23:04:00] defaultro: it's going to expire on aug 2
[23:04:00] mchou: which ISP does 2 yr contracts, lol?
[23:04:00] kormoc: verizon does one year contracts
[23:04:00] defaultro: ah, i got tricked there huh
[23:04:00] mchou: how much does it cost /mo?
[23:04:00] defaultro: $39, 3mpbs
[23:05:00] defaultro: so can we say that the qam code is not functioning well?
[23:05:00] mchou: heh, pay them off. Comcast charges me $20 for HSI (in addtion to basic, $14)
[23:05:00] kormoc: HSI?
[23:05:00] defaultro: HSSI
[23:06:00] mchou: high speed internet.
[23:06:00] defaultro: lol
[23:06:00] defaultro: i thought, you were talking about serial interfaces
[23:06:00] defaultro: comcast is charging me $42 + %14
[23:06:00] defaultro: $14
[23:06:00] mchou: defaultro: I think you should pay fox valley off. You'll actually come out ahead :)
[23:06:00] mchou: 42???
[23:07:00] defaultro: for the hsi
[23:07:00] kormoc: $14 for basic?
[23:07:00] defaultro: yup
[23:07:00] kormoc: what do you get with that?
[23:07:00] mchou: nah man. make sure you sign up for their "deals"
[23:07:00] ** kormoc is in the market for cable right now. **
[23:07:00] defaultro: i think, 11 channels
[23:07:00] defaultro: oh ok
[23:07:00] kormoc: local only?
[23:07:00] defaultro: where did you get it?
[23:07:00] defaultro: locals only kormoc
[23:07:00] mchou: kormoc: about 20+ odd channels.
[23:07:00] kormoc: you sure you don't get more channels when they removed the filter for the inet?
[23:08:00] mchou: I get travel, oln, discovery.
[23:08:00] defaultro: hmmmm
[23:08:00] defaultro: mchou is doing some hacks
[23:08:00] mchou: no I'm not.
[23:08:00] defaultro: lol
[23:08:00] kormoc: in PA, my bro did that, he got basic cable, got internet, they removed the filter, and he got standard cable for the price of basic.
[23:08:00] defaultro: where do i removed the filter
[23:08:00] defaultro: lol
[23:08:00] mchou: shit, I think they put on a filter when I got HSI.
[23:09:00] kormoc: comcast does when they enable the internet.
[23:09:00] mchou: all my high channels disappeared.
[23:09:00] defaultro: that might be the issue
[23:09:00] defaultro: tell them that your internet is very intermittent
[23:09:00] kormoc: you see, I want Cartoon network, Scifi, and Food, but I don't want to pay $40 a month just for those three channels.
[23:09:00] defaultro: they might remove the filter
[23:09:00] defaultro: kormoc, i hear yah
[23:09:00] mchou: kormoc: you saying they put on filter when you get hsi???
[23:09:00] kormoc: oh no
[23:10:00] kormoc: for my bro, they took off the filter for hsi
[23:10:00] defaultro: they removed right?
[23:10:00] mchou: kormoc: they did the opposite when I got HSI.
[23:10:00] kormoc: so he was paying $15 a month for the $40 a month standard analog cable.
[23:10:00] mchou: filter is easy to remove.
[23:10:00] defaultro: that happened to me back in 2002
[23:10:00] defaultro: when i was with at&t
[23:10:00] defaultro: i was paying $87
[23:10:00] defaultro: internet and standard
[23:10:00] kormoc: I guess it just depends on who does the cable work.
[23:11:00] mchou: I think cable is such a rip.
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[23:11:00] defaultro: but i requested the basic so i went downt to $53
[23:11:00] mchou: D* is a much better deal.
[23:11:00] defaultro: but i told them that internet was bad, and cable quality was bad
[23:11:00] defaultro: so they took it out and was back to standard
[23:11:00] defaultro: buy only paying $53
[23:11:00] kormoc: nice
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[23:11:00] mchou: especially if you want HDTV programming.
[23:12:00] kormoc: yeah
[23:12:00] defaultro: when you saying HSI, are you talking about 6mbps
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[23:12:00] defaultro: coz they come now standard in 4mbps
[23:12:00] kormoc: 4 is the basic hsi right now iirc.
[23:12:00] kormoc: yeah.
[23:12:00] defaultro: oh
[23:12:00] mchou: close to 400KB/s downstream.
[23:12:00] kormoc: in pa, we only had 1.5 mbps
[23:12:00] Mrgoose: heh
[23:12:00] defaultro: mchou, you mention to me that i should pay it off
[23:12:00] Mrgoose: i pay $69.95/month for 8mbit downstream
[23:13:00] defaultro: wow
[23:13:00] Mrgoose: $35/month for cable television
[23:13:00] mchou: defaultro: heh, only pay it off if you get a deal from comcast :)
[23:13:00] defaultro: so ~100
[23:13:00] Mrgoose: yea
[23:13:00] defaultro: ah
[23:13:00] kormoc: +taxes
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[23:13:00] defaultro: do you know where to find good deals?
[23:14:00] defaultro: im sure, i won;t find it in their site
[23:14:00] mchou: comcast.com home page generally tells you about deals.
[23:14:00] defaultro: oh ok
[23:14:00] mchou: $20/mo. HSI comes up every 2–3 monts :)
[23:14:00] defaultro: coz those folks there that i might find good deals in stores like bestbuy when i buy a cable modem
[23:14:00] kormoc: mchou, Hrm? what's that?
[23:14:00] defaultro: what they're offering me now is free for 4 months
[23:14:00] mchou: defaultro: you get cable modem for free.
[23:15:00] defaultro: they're leasting it to me
[23:15:00] mchou: defaultro: I buy modem at best buy (and sign up for comcast hsi), get full rebate for modem when you do that.
[23:16:00] defaultro: that's a good deal
[23:16:00] defaultro: i'll drop by later
[23:16:00] mchou: sign up there at the time you buy modem.
[23:16:00] defaultro: ok
[23:16:00] kormoc: I'm just gonna call comcast and order it via the phone
[23:16:00] mchou: and I also got $20/mo deal there too :)
[23:16:00] defaultro: i wish there was something similar to AT&T where i had 6 months consecutive free internet
[23:16:00] kormoc: cause it's iffy if they even service my area...
[23:16:00] defaultro: now, it's not consecutive
[23:17:00] mchou: I doubt anyone is gonna give you free internet these days.
[23:17:00] defaultro: and am hoping that someone will buy my Motorola Canopy
[23:17:00] defaultro: it's not a priority though
[23:17:00] mchou: unless you share bandwidth with your neighbor :)
[23:17:00] kormoc: verizon was 1 month free, and $30/mnth for 3 mbps, which was nice
[23:18:00] mchou: bah, verisom sux balls :)
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[23:19:00] kormoc: cheaper then comcrap ;)
[23:19:00] defaultro: so mchou, what are your plans?
[23:19:00] defaultro: are you going to try and rm the regex?
[23:20:00] mchou: kormoc: how is $30<$20?
[23:20:00] mchou: defaultro: huh???
[23:20:00] defaultro: remove the filter
[23:20:00] mchou: ahh :)
[23:20:00] kormoc: mchou, how are you getting it for $20? they're saying it's $50...
[23:20:00] mchou: hehe.
[23:20:00] defaultro: :D
[23:20:00] mchou: kormoc: who is saying it's for $50??
[23:20:00] defaultro: website
[23:20:00] kormoc: mchou, comcast's website
[23:21:00] defaultro: i'd rather take $20 than 4 months free
[23:21:00] ** kormoc nods **
[23:21:00] defaultro: i wish i can do that too
[23:21:00] mchou: http://www.comcastoffers.com/c/1/51439/_/_/90 . . . 2ad6c2a292b/
[23:21:00] kormoc: yeah, me too
[23:21:00] mchou: dunno what you guys are looking at.
[23:22:00] kormoc: comcast.com...
[23:22:00] mchou: the deals come up often enough that I renew it every 7 monts or so :)
[23:22:00] defaultro: if i talk to someone and tells me that i should be in contract, what should I do?
[23:23:00] mchou: tell them you say "No contract" on that link :)
[23:23:00] defaultro: ok
[23:23:00] defaultro: I see $19.99 for first 6 months
[23:23:00] defaultro: is that what you mean?
[23:23:00] kormoc: yeah, I think that's what he means.
[23:23:00] mchou: yup. and you renew it every 7 months or so.
[23:24:00] defaultro: so I'll get those 3 offers
[23:24:00] defaultro: ?
[23:24:00] defaultro: $50 cash back and free modem
[23:24:00] kormoc: hrm
[23:24:00] kormoc: so we all know where mchou lives
[23:24:00] mchou: just have to be disclpined enough to remember.
[23:24:00] defaultro: yeah
[23:24:00] kormoc: and name and home phone number too
[23:24:00] mchou: $50 is "install" fee.
[23:25:00] defaultro: they're giving it to me for $25
[23:25:00] kormoc: you are about to place a order for Ronneil Camara...
[23:25:00] mchou: lol, that page is insecure :)
[23:25:00] defaultro: :)
[23:26:00] defaultro: where did you see that
[23:26:00] mchou: kormoc: did it really show my address?
[23:26:00] defaultro: i havent clicked anything yet
[23:26:00] kormoc: when I clicked though
[23:26:00] kormoc: if your in illinois, yes
[23:26:00] mchou: kormoc: nope, not me. defaultro :)
[23:26:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:26:00] defaultro: huh
[23:26:00] defaultro: i don't get it
[23:27:00] kormoc: got the sessions confused
[23:27:00] mchou: kormoc: think you qualify for that deal?
[23:28:00] kormoc: mchou, yeah, I need to be a cable customer first, but ate
[23:28:00] defaultro: mchou, what happened, I still don't know what's happening?
[23:28:00] mchou: defaultro: about what?
[23:28:00] defaultro: about my name
[23:29:00] defaultro: how did it get there :) lol
[23:29:00] kormoc: defaultro, we both used the same session id, so it got confused and sent me your name and address
[23:29:00] mchou: beats me. Page prob. has cookie.
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[23:29:00] defaultro: ah
[23:29:00] defaultro: we can hack that sysstem then
[23:29:00] mchou: defaultro: exactly :)
[23:29:00] defaultro: it's called session hijacking
[23:29:00] ** kormoc thinks twice about ordering now... :P **
[23:29:00] mchou: kormoc: just call them up :)
[23:29:00] ** kormoc shall wait till defaultro and mchou are done screwing with random people :P **
[23:30:00] kormoc: mchou, I can order over the phone? it says online ordering only
[23:30:00] mchou: say you saw it on that web site.
[23:30:00] mchou: kormoc: I've always ordered over phone, np.
[23:30:00] mchou: what, they gonna turn away new business?? :)
[23:30:00] defaultro: i'm just comparing if it will save me more if i get the 4 months free
[23:31:00] defaultro: what do you mean?
[23:31:00] mchou: 4 months free???
[23:31:00] mchou: where?
[23:31:00] defaultro: in the mail
[23:31:00] defaultro: i receive a mail
[23:31:00] defaultro: last week
[23:31:00] mchou: screw 4 mths free. probably stupid contract involved.
[23:31:00] defaultro: however, when i called them, it's not continous 4 months
[23:32:00] mchou: lol.
[23:32:00] mchou: scam.
[23:32:00] defaultro: ok
[23:32:00] kormoc: 4 months @ 50 month is $200, 6 months at 30 a month is $180
[23:32:00] defaultro: it's a real printout from comcast
[23:32:00] mchou: heh, you do the math :)
[23:32:00] defaultro: yep
[23:34:00] mchou: $50/mo is a real rip. Nobody I know pays that.
[23:34:00] mchou: that's like paying MSRP vs. "street price"
[23:34:00] defaultro: so that $19. is a real good deal then
[23:34:00] mchou: I think so.
[23:34:00] defaultro: but can we trust that site, comcastoffers
[23:35:00] kormoc: in theroy
[23:35:00] defaultro: .com
[23:35:00] kormoc: well, mchou says to call them up
[23:35:00] kormoc: order over the phone
[23:35:00] defaultro: ok
[23:35:00] kormoc: which I think I'll do
[23:35:00] mchou: kormoc: if you arent cable customer go with "limited" basic.
[23:36:00] mchou: $14 :)
[23:36:00] mchou: YMMV
[23:36:00] kormoc: will I get scifi/cartoon/food?
[23:36:00] defaultro: prolly not
[23:36:00] kormoc: Domain Name: COMCASTOFFERS.COM
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[23:36:00] mchou: YMMV :)
[23:36:00] kormoc: Leapfrog Online Customer Acquisition, LLC
[23:36:00] defaultro: who is that?
[23:36:00] kormoc: donno
[23:36:00] mchou: kormoc: site is legit.
[23:36:00] defaultro: you did a whois?
[23:36:00] kormoc: yup defaultro
[23:37:00] mchou: just not too secure is all :)
[23:37:00] defaultro: so it's legit
[23:37:00] mchou: you only entering name and addr is all :)
[23:37:00] kormoc: well, it's owned by leapfrog
[23:37:00] defaultro: ok
[23:38:00] defaultro: is that were you ordered?
[23:38:00] defaultro: or bestbuy?
[23:38:00] kormoc: "Comcastoffers.com is independently operated by Broadbandoffers.com, working with Comcast Corporation to bring you this $50 cash back rebate offer. This offer is not available directly from Comcast."
[23:38:00] defaultro: i'll try bestbuy first tonight
[23:38:00] defaultro: ah
[23:38:00] defaultro: so mchou, you do renew every 6 months?
[23:39:00] defaultro: and I should be firm when saying no contract
[23:39:00] mchou: kormoc: the $50 and cable modem may not be, but the 6 month is :)
[23:39:00] mchou: defaultro: pretty much.
[23:39:00] defaultro: ok
[23:39:00] kormoc: mchou, yeah, that's how it is
[23:39:00] kormoc: the free modem + $50 is only webpage done
[23:39:00] defaultro: kormoc, so only via webpage?
[23:39:00] kormoc: the 6 months @ $19 is comcast.
[23:39:00] mchou: everytime I renew I put six month on my calendar so I remember :)
[23:40:00] mchou: kormoc: nah, not true.
[23:40:00] defaultro: that's a good tip
[23:40:00] mchou: kormoc: best buy and CC have it too.
[23:40:00] defaultro: so that website about modem is false
[23:40:00] kormoc: mchou, okay then.
[23:40:00] defaultro: i hope that bestbuy has a $19 offer too
[23:40:00] kormoc: call them up?
[23:41:00] defaultro: i'll drop by
[23:41:00] defaultro: it's near to my place
[23:41:00] mchou: defaultro: yeah, they will. you need to order at BB kiosk.
[23:41:00] defaultro: ah
[23:41:00] defaultro: not to the screw there
[23:41:00] defaultro: i mean crew
[23:41:00] defaultro: lol
[23:41:00] mchou: a lil computer station they have there by the computer stuff.
[23:41:00] defaultro: cmon, i know kiosk
[23:42:00] kormoc: but not crew? ;)
[23:42:00] defaultro: yeah
[23:42:00] defaultro: i mean, by stuff
[23:42:00] mchou: you can screw in kiosk?? :)
[23:42:00] defaultro: people, worker
[23:42:00] defaultro: yeah
[23:42:00] defaultro: lol
[23:44:00] defaultro: aight, got to continue watching 24
[23:44:00] defaultro: i think, im watching 9–10
[23:44:00] defaultro: you watch it mchou?
[23:44:00] mchou: 24 I watch.
[23:44:00] mchou: but it's been a crappy season.
[23:45:00] defaultro: i mean, im watching 9pm-10pm that's taking place in 24
[23:45:00] mchou: rather predictable.....
[23:45:00] defaultro: ok
[23:45:00] defaultro: also watch tonight, Dr House
[23:45:00] defaultro: it's really cool
[23:45:00] mchou: and they give it away when "Next on 24"
[23:46:00] defaultro: have you seen it once, House M.D.?
[23:46:00] mchou: yeah, I watch house too. got a crush on that chick doc.
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[23:46:00] defaultro: oh, she's beautiful
[23:46:00] mchou: I watch house religiously.
[23:46:00] kormoc: mmm... Chicken...
[23:46:00] defaultro: you think she'll get laid off/
[23:46:00] mchou: My personality is like house :)
[23:46:00] defaultro: bam
[23:46:00] mchou: defaultro: nope.
[23:46:00] defaultro: i love because my sister and in law is a doctor
[23:46:00] defaultro: i love it
[23:47:00] defaultro: however, my sister isnt here in U.S.
[23:47:00] defaultro: :)
[23:47:00] mchou: I wonder if the billionary is going to go though :)
[23:47:00] Beirdo: mchou: you can just go forward a week in your listings to find out what happens "next on 24"
[23:47:00] defaultro: heh
[23:47:00] defaultro: :)
[23:47:00] mchou: billionaire*
[23:47:00] defaultro: he should get laid off
[23:48:00] defaultro: that guy looks like my bosses boss
[23:48:00] mchou: I want to see how house beats that billionaire.
[23:48:00] kormoc: he burns all the money?
[23:48:00] defaultro: as in, he really looks the same
[23:48:00] mchou: House will give that billionaire a spanking :)
[23:48:00] kormoc: sounds kinky if it wasn't two guys...
[23:49:00] mchou: Billionaire already had to show his hand by "keeping" Chase.
[23:49:00] mchou: so now house know for sure who betrayed him :)
[23:49:00] defaultro: Who's chase again?
[23:49:00] mchou: blond haired doc.
[23:49:00] kormoc: chevy
[23:49:00] defaultro: ah
[23:50:00] defaultro: and what about the black guy, what's his name
[23:50:00] mchou: yeah, forget his characters name, omar epps :)
[23:50:00] defaultro: ok
[23:50:00] Beirdo: yawn
[23:50:00] Beirdo: anyone who hates networksolutions, say aye!
[23:51:00] defaultro: well, are there other cool programs we can record locally?
[23:51:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:51:00] defaultro: Beirdo, they let your domain go away?
[23:51:00] defaultro: I will try to record one Stacked
[23:52:00] Beirdo: no, they won't LET me transfer three
[23:52:00] defaultro: k
[23:52:00] defaultro: to a different nameserver?
[23:52:00] mchou: defaultro: house tonight is a repeat.
[23:52:00] defaultro: f! huh
[23:53:00] defaultro: why did they do that
[23:53:00] defaultro: :(
[23:53:00] mchou: cause :)
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[23:55:00] Tommck: I don't work for amazon or anything, but I thought people looking for an indoor HD antenna in the US would like this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006 . . . 3259-9810520
[23:56:00] Tommck: it's the Zenith ZHDTV1 antenna for $20
[23:56:00] defaultro: hey Tommck
[23:56:00] Tommck: hey defaultro
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