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| [14:41:24] | paul-h: | stuarta: I have an updated radio streams xml file on my website would it be possible to have the MythTV server periodically check that for updates and update the MythTV copy as needed? |
| [14:41:39] | stuarta: | should be able to manage that |
| [14:41:53] | stuarta: | email me the details and i'll see what i can do |
| [14:42:02] | hampton: | paul-h: That was fast! |
| [14:42:18] | ** stuarta looks at the long list of crap to migrate to the new server ** | |
| [14:44:54] | paul-h: | stuarta: OK I will send an email later |
| [14:48:25] | stuarta: | thanks |
| [14:49:37] | paul-h: | Hopefully if it's semi automatic then it will get updated more often the last update was December 2017 |
| [14:51:22] | paul-h: | Doesn't seem that long but that was the modified date on the xml file |
| [14:53:43] | paul-h: | Is the rumor that Mark has left the project true? I heard he had another rut with Peter because he keeps telling everyone who will listed to use Leanfront |
| [14:55:04] | peterbennett: | paul-h: What? |
| [14:56:11] | peterbennett: | That was a while ago and I have refrained from recommending leanfront and stopped using the api he objected to |
| [14:56:47] | paul-h: | I was told from he's pissed of with you because when users say they are having problems with playback you tell them to use Leanfront |
| [15:01:01] | peterbennett: | paul-h: That was ONCE. In a ticket somebody had a problem and asked for a solution and I put "use leanfront?" in a response. Mark deleted that comment. It was months ago. |
| [15:01:01] | paul-h: | I haven't heard anything from him personally so hopefully he may just be taking a break but I think he gets discouraged easily |
| [15:03:30] | paul-h: | I don't have a problem with that, you know my stance on using third party FE's I think it is the future of MythTV but Mark clearly doesn't agree |
| [15:04:56] | paul-h: | Has he said anything on here? |
| [15:05:33] | peterbennett: | paul-h: I think you have a frontend for linux based on vlc? |
| [15:06:46] | paul-h: | Based on QML with vlc as one of the playback engines |
| [15:08:19] | paul-h: | I deliberately keep quite about it though – at this stage its purely for my own use |
| [15:09:12] | ** peterbennett is leaving the room ** | |
| [15:10:51] | stuarta: | paul-h: he just said he had enough, and hasn't been on irc since, he didn't say why |
| [15:22:28] | paul-h: | Just had a look back at the IRC logs and I wonder if this conversation between Peter and ooshlablu was the catalyst for the melt down – http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2021-02-25 |
| [15:23:32] | ooshlablu: | I think it was |
| [15:23:39] | ooshlablu: | and it was not what I was trying to do |
| [15:23:51] | paul-h: | Poor Mark I do feel sorry for him he puts all that effort in |
| [15:24:57] | ooshlablu: | I've been a mythtv user since 2006 and was trying to offer data points to help development on the pi4 |
| [15:33:18] | stuarta: | paul-h: he puts in 400% all the time, and doesn't get much postive feedback |
| [15:39:43] | paul-h: | I think we all know you have to have a thick skin to work on on open source project like MythTV but it's still all to easy to get discouraged sometimes |
| [15:40:10] | paul-h: | He probably just needs to take some time away |
| [15:42:08] | stuarta: | peterbennett: for what it's worth, i don't think you or any other individual person caused this, as paul says, he probably needed a break |
| [15:49:09] | peterbennett: | Mark seems to do an awful lot in a short time |
| [15:50:03] | peterbennett: | All those changes inevitably cause something to break and if you make changes that affect multiple platforms it is hard to test them. |
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| [16:01:23] | paul-h: | I see SD are stopping Emby users from using their SD-JSON data service from June 1 because it is now a commercial project – https://schedulesdirect.org/ top story |
| [16:01:57] | stuarta: | that's fair enough if you ask me |
| [16:03:26] | stuarta: | sheesh, over 2 years, not surprised they are blocking them |
| [16:03:31] | hampton: | It seems that Qt6 has deprecated QStringRef... :-( |
| [16:03:48] | paul-h: | Hard to stop them using XMLTV to grab the data even though technically it violates there user agreement |
| [16:04:43] | stuarta: | hampton: is that a pain? |
| [16:05:19] | stuarta: | i noticed we don't appear to have an open issue to track deprecating QtWebKit |
| [16:05:27] | hampton: | ...and the replacement QStringView was added in 5.10. |
| [16:05:28] | stuarta: | for some reason i thought we did |
| [16:06:21] | hampton: | Maybe. I only see a couple of variables declared as QStringRef, but I know there are a bunch of QString::midRref etc because I added them. |
| [16:07:13] | hampton: | There is a Qt5Compat module which I may add for now, and only deal with things that are truly broken in Qt6. |
| [16:09:05] | paul-h: | Did you seen all the angry Qt5 users pissed that the last point release was only made available to commercial licence users |
| [16:13:53] | stuarta: | really? is the free one EOL? |
| [16:13:59] | hampton: | I did. Nothing I can do so no point worrying about it. |
| [16:14:52] | paul-h: | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_i . . . LTS-Released |
| [16:15:42] | paul-h: | Most fixes will be incorporated into Qt6.1 |
| [16:16:02] | stuarta: | interesting |
| [16:19:25] | paul-h: | Are any distros actually shipping with Qt6 yet |
| [16:20:07] | stuarta: | it's being built for Fedora 34 |
| [16:20:13] | stuarta: | which is due out next month |
| [16:20:44] | stuarta: | arch of course |
| [16:21:45] | stuarta: | not debian |
| [16:22:11] | stuarta: | or ubuntu |
| [16:22:36] | stuarta: | so Qt5 will live on for quite a while |
| [16:22:43] | paul-h: | Yep looks like Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute) will be still on 5.12.2 |
| [16:23:29] | stuarta: | the next LTS is 22.04, so i suspect it'll be in that, probably an earlier release too |
| [16:25:15] | paul-h: | I hear one big problem with QT6 currently is that many modules available in Qt5 are not available in Qt6 and wont be for quite a while |
| [16:25:46] | stuarta: | tbh, apart from things like QtWekKit, we mainly use the core stuff anyway |
| [16:25:59] | stuarta: | your qml frontend proably uses more than we do |
| [16:26:42] | paul-h: | Yep I'm stuck with Qt5 for now |
| [16:27:06] | paul-h: | So glad Ubuntu are holding back for now |
| [16:27:31] | stuarta: | only arch is uber bleeding edge |
| [16:27:42] | stuarta: | fedora will allow it to be parallel installed |
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| [16:40:30] | paul-h: | Just updated 4 FE's from Ubuntu 20.04 to 20.11 and not encountered one problem worked like a charm :) Remotes work, sound is good, video is good no problem at all so far |
| [16:40:42] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [16:40:57] | paul-h: | Don't understand how so may users on the user list and forums encounter so many problems |
| [16:42:07] | paul-h: | Show how often I use mythfrontend still got the Christmas theme showing :) |
| [16:42:47] | stuarta: | ooo crap, i might have that too |
| [16:43:22] | hampton: | So it appears that QString::leftRef was replaced with QString::first, midRef->sliced and rightRef ->last. And QRegularExpressionMatch::capturedRef was removed. Just after I finished using it a bunch of places. |
| [16:43:32] | stuarta: | doh |
| [16:43:38] | hampton: | clazy is going to have to remove their test for using StringRefs. |
| [16:43:57] | hampton: | I think I removed the christmas theme a couple of weeks ago. I always enjoy switching to it. |
| [16:45:48] | paul-h: | Yeah I should give whoever created it a pat on the back – Oh wait!! |
| [16:46:19] | ** hampton claps ** | |
| [16:52:52] | ** hampton dons his flame retardant suit ** | |
| [16:53:01] | hampton: | So when our next release comes out in 2022, the main supported release will be Ubuntu 2020.04 (LTS-1) which has Qt 5.12. When is too soon to bump our required Qt version from 5.9 to 5.12? |
| [16:54:39] | kwizart: | is 5.12 even maintained ? (IIRC latest qt5 lts is 5.10) |
| [16:55:16] | stuarta: | hampton: only if we decide to use features that *require* 5.12 |
| [16:55:19] | kwizart: | and there is a ticket for having qt5 updated from 5.12 to 5.15 in EL8 |
| [16:59:10] | hampton: | I'm thinking about the introduction of QStringView in 5.10 and the removal of QStringRef in 6.0. If 5.10 was the minimum that conversion work could be done now. |
| [17:00:52] | hampton: | I'm going to add in the Qt5Compat module today and see what is totally broken, but once that stuff is fixed I'd like to remove the Qt5Compat module and start fixing the rest of the things that were removed in 6.0, which will mean circling back to this minimum supported version question. |
| [17:03:04] | paul-h: | hampton: we still build packages for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS which uses 5.9.2 which I think is why we have that as a minimum – although since 20.04 is the latest LTS release we could drop support for the earlier one even though the Launchpad builders still support it |
| [17:03:57] | paul-h: | For some reason many Ubuntu users are slow to update :( |
| [17:04:58] | hampton: | Yes, the current requirement for 5.9 is for Ubuntu 18.04. Are the builders building master or 31? |
| [17:05:12] | stuarta: | official line, is latest LTS + current release |
| [17:05:23] | stuarta: | so 20.04 and 20.10 |
| [17:05:31] | stuarta: | soon to be 20.04 and 21.04 |
| [17:05:41] | paul-h: | We have builder for both master and 31 |
| [17:05:45] | stuarta: | (not that we stop building those in between) |
| [17:05:48] | hampton: | Ah |
| [17:07:19] | hampton: | Well, the other solution is to just remove the "Ref" part on all those function calls, but that adds a string copy for each call changed. Maybe we don't care? |
| [17:08:44] | hampton: | Like I said, I'll see if I can push all the work that requires a version bump to later, but it may be necessary to get a code base that builds on both Qt5 and Qt6. |
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| [19:41:14] | markspieth2: | i looked into qtwebkt a while ago. my understanding is that its a completely independent project now and supported. coludnt get it to build on android though |
| [19:42:43] | markspieth2: | qwebengine is chrome based and mythmusic required a callback from javascript and i put that into the too hard basket at the time |
| [19:44:57] | markspieth2: | i dont know how markk had that much time to spare. his output was prolific. couple of small issues but otherwise it was great. |
| [20:43:41] | warpme_: | guys: re markk_ work: i would say his work was CRITICAL to keep frontend alive. Look: even if we will have super clean & advanced general code in fe – key task of fe is multimedia playback. and mark work is best i seen. it easily beats anything i was using to compare on x86 (kodi, etc.). issue is that code is perfect in arch+caps+future but needs just final polishing which is really boring for artists like mark. |
| [20:43:41] | warpme_: | Unfortunatelly polishing has key on end-user opinions thus reward for devs. work. what was motivation-killig i think it was FOSS state on embeeded compared to embeeded ofered by os from gorilla commercial company. Issue i have with his decission is two-fold: 1\comparing android vs. linux is totally wrong as both ecosystems/os are fulfilling totally different needs, user expectations and besting in different |
| [20:43:41] | warpme_: | aspects/areas; 2\developing soooooo nice code (support for 7 video decode api; 4 key rendering modes with excellent efficiency i.e. 1080p sw. decode gets 35–45% CPU on 25Eur H6 soc) and finish just before the finish line is simply so sad! For me this is so depressing that i all the time fighting with decision to leave minimyth2 devel. so sad! |
| [20:50:40] | warpme_: | i really hope markk will read this and rethink. what we have is imho best on market in terms of players on embeeded. 95% of issues are out of myth (kernel/ffmpeg). for sure these issues will be fixed (as already foss history shows) and when it happens – i think fe may become be most advanced player in it's class. we are really really close..... |
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