MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv

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afisher, aloril, amessina, Anssi, blahdodo, brfransen, ChanServ, clever, cybrNaut, davic, ElmerFudd, enyc, eth01, frobnic, ghoti, gregl, GreyFoxx, Guest16822, Guest28700, Guest75977, Guest79123, hampton, ijc, ilmostro, jheizer, jya, knowledgejunkie, kwizart, libsci, mad_enz, Maliuta, markspieth, MitchCapper, mkbloke, MythBuild, MythLogBot, MythNotifyBot, ooshlablu, Panic, peper03_, poptix, pppingme, ramshadow, rhpot1991, RokLobsta, Simon--, sphery_, taylorr, tonsofpcs, tris, Valen, vesper11, Vollstrecker_, Warped, warpme_, xris, zbot, _charly__
Saturday, July 25th, 2020, 00:10 UTC
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[11:23:28] cybrNaut: my OS is incapable of doing a package upgrade on mythTV because mythTV is unofficial.
[11:24:11] cybrNaut: When I upgrade from Mint 17.3 to 18, mythTV must be uninstalled and then later reinstalled.
[11:24:55] cybrNaut: Am i fucked? I'm concerned that the new installation will clash with the old db schema
[11:27:29] markspieth: if unsure back it up just in case. it should upgrade fine though on reinstall.
[11:33:37] cybrNaut: it looks like removing mythtv will cause mysql to be removed (b/c nothing else depends on mysql)
[11:35:07] cybrNaut: i'm not sure how backups will help. What will the new mythtv version do when it sees a schema that is 27 versions behind?
[12:01:06] cybrNaut: i'm also a bit scared of backing up.. I have no idea how to backup a mysql db and mythtv and all the middleware and configs
[12:02:10] cybrNaut: i think i need to do a "apt-mark manual mysql" in order to prevent mysql from being removed during the upgrade. That seems safer than attempting a backup-restore
[12:02:39] cybrNaut: can anyone confirm if "apt-mark manual mysql" will prevent mysql and the db from being removed?
[12:10:27] cybrNaut: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Upgrading_MythTV <= instructions for backing up the db are missing from the docs
[12:13:42] cybrNaut: someone with wiki access should suggest to debian users that they run "apt-mark manual mysql" (if that's in fact the case)
[12:51:49] cybrNaut: this is so fucked up. the "apt-mark manual mysql" command claims it's already manually installed. So I installed something that depends on it (mysql-testsuite) to force the OS to recognize that removal of mythTV cannot lead to removal of mysql
[12:51:53] cybrNaut: even that fails
[12:52:19] cybrNaut: mintupgrade still tries to force removal of both mythtv and mysql
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[14:48:36] ** cybrNaut went through all the hoops to get a bug tracker account just to report a bug, only to be told "Internal Server Error" **
[15:51:04] cybrNaut: 3 unreported MythTV bugs documented here => https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupgrade/issues/42
[16:14:19] peterbennett: cybrNaut: You may get a better response from the user's mailing list Discussion about MythTV <mythtv-users@mythtv.org >
[16:21:23] mkbloke: cybrNaut: holding the mythtv packages isn't a good idea if you're trying to upgrade the OS. You should search the list archives for the list that peterbennett mentioned above, as backing up and restoring the mythtv DB has come up many times on there.
[16:27:40] cybrNaut: i appreciate the advice. if there are archives for that list, i'll see what i can find.
[16:29:13] cybrNaut: mkbloke: but note that i made no attempt to hold the package (which would pin the version#). I attempted to tag mySQL as "manual", which (in theory) should have forced the OS to properly handle the mySQL upgrade without removing it.
[16:34:55] mkbloke: I must have misread that then. Essentially, backup your DB with
[16:36:01] mkbloke: mythconverg_backup.pl and keep a copy of the mythtv config.xml
[16:37:08] mkbloke: restore the mysql grants in the new DB using the username and passwd for mythtv as in config.xml
[16:37:31] mkbloke: restore the DB with mythconverg_restore.pl
[16:39:24] mkbloke: restore the config.xml from your original install over the config.xml of the new myth install
[16:41:07] cybrNaut: thanks mkbloke.. i've noted your steps. I also found this post https://lists.archive.carbon60.com/mythtv/users/633259 which leads to this page: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (apparently there is a bad link on this page: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Upgrading_MythTV)
[16:49:35] mkbloke: This page details the grant stuff you might have to do if you start from a completely new mysql install: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Setup
[16:58:09] cybrNaut: thanks. that will be useful since Mint is apparently going to force a remove-install of mysql (although it's not a purge so perhaps permissions and accts will persist)
[17:00:22] mkbloke: yeah, *in theory*, you should keep your configs and underlying DBs if the packages aren't purged. it's good to have backups of the important stuff just in case, of course.
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[17:34:14] bill6502: cybrNaut: See if Mint is removing mysql v5.x and replacing it with v8.0 (as Ubuntu 20.04 did).
[17:51:45] cybrNaut: bill6502: they don't document that. I guess I'd have to assume that Mint 20 (Ulyana) will have the same version as Ubuntu Focal
[17:53:12] cybrNaut: is mySQL v8.0 a problem?
[17:53:57] cybrNaut: I don't have to upgrade to absolute latest of Mint, so I there's a better intermediate version I'd like to know
[18:27:15] cybrNaut: bill6502: after digging around, I can see that Mint does not override the Ubuntu version of MySQL
[18:30:10] bill6502: cybrNaut: Not a problem with MySQL v8.0, but changes were added to the packaging that allow it to work with some new syntax
[18:31:51] bill6502: The Ubuntu (really Debian) packaging creates the DB if it doesn't exist. Same with the mythtv user on localhost
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