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| [16:00:20] | gigem: | peterbennett, markspieth: I don't know if it's the Oreo update, using the r13b NDK or something else (I suspect Oreo), but MythTV no longer hangs for me when left in the background. there is usually a black screen for 5 to 10 seconds, though, I've seen as long as 25 to 30 seconds, but it always comes back now and responds to inputs. If playback was left running, it is errored out, but that's to be expected. |
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| [17:22:23] | peterbennett: | gigem: Should we do something about it running in the background? Maybe it should close, because it may prevent the backend from shutting down. |
| [17:22:54] | peterbennett: | gigem: I always end it, do not leave it running in the background. |
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| [18:28:43] | gigem: | No, it shouldn't close, IMHO. It should go into standby if FrontendIdleTimeout is set. If FrontendIdleTimeout isn't set, it should stay up like any other frontend that is left running. I intend look into doing that. I first wanted to figure out why it was hanging. That's how I noticed it wasn't hanging anymore. |
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| [19:20:02] | gigem: | If anyone's thinking about getting an Nvidia Shield, the version without the game controller is on sale for $139 (that's $40 off) right now as part of prime day. |
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| [19:24:42] | peterbennett: | gigem: I think I have the LiveTV sorted out now |
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| [19:26:28] | gigem: | I haven't even tested the earlier patch yet! :) |
| [19:28:11] | gigem: | peterbennett: So you have a patch newer than 20180717_1042? |
| [19:28:34] | peterbennett: | yes – maybe hang off on that a bit – I only put that here because somebody requested an apk file from me |
| [19:29:17] | gigem: | k. |
| [19:30:17] | peterbennett: | tha |
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| [19:31:49] | peterbennett: | The issue of jerkiness at the start of LiveTV. It rights itself after about 30 seconds or so |
| [19:32:34] | peterbennett: | With the earlier patch it was extreme and never righted itself. |
| [19:34:34] | peterbennett: | gigem: I am not sure whether it is better to have 30 seconds of occasional jerkiness or a 5 second wait at the start of Live TV. |
| [19:40:26] | gigem: | I've just gotten used to pushing pause for 3 or 4 seconds. Maybe ask on the mailing list for input? I wonder how playing slightly slower than normal for a second or two, maybe even without audio, would look. That would allow the buffer to fill up some still give immediate feedback. |
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| [19:42:32] | peterbennett: | Somebody was very much against a delay, saying that it is not live tv and they cannot bear to be a few seconds behind, etc. |
| [19:46:03] | gigem: | Tell them to not use MythTV then. If they have HDHomeruns, there are apps that will playback straight from the tuner with minimal delay. |
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| [19:48:02] | peterbennett: | gigem: Well anyway, I have a patch that gets it working to the same degree as on existing Linux frontends, i.e. some 15 – 30 seconds of jerkiness at the start |
| [19:48:36] | gigem: | That should be good enough for now. |
| [19:48:43] | gigem: | It is for me. |
| [19:50:41] | peterbennett: | I will post that patch, then start testing all environments to make sure nothing broke |
| [19:52:19] | gigem: | k. |
| [20:11:34] | jheizer_: | How does the shield compare to a pi frontend? I assume miles more responsive? |
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| [20:15:28] | peterbennett: | Oh yes a lot more responsive, plus it can play 4k video |
| [20:15:40] | peterbennett: | also can play h265 |
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| [20:22:28] | jheizer_: | Cool. Thanks. Debating one since you all seem to be active on them. Replace the pi I never seem to keep up to date on a rarely used tv. |
| [20:25:50] | gigem: | jheizer_: The shield probably also has the best deinterlacing short of a discreet nvidia graphics card. On the flip side, some videophiles claim the 4k scaling is subpar. |
| [20:28:11] | stuarta: | peterbennett: with streaming services these days people are used to a pause at the start whilst buffering happens |
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| [22:14:42] | markspieth: | gigem: peterbennett: I have had reasonable experiences with going into standby /background. Better than I expected anyway. Usually doesnt die. But the background system I put in place was a guess only and not optimal. |
| [22:15:21] | markspieth: | This is all handled from the java part and should be signalled somehow to the native part, which is isnt properly currently. |
| [22:19:19] | markspieth: | peterbennett: not sure if you have already done this for live tv, but pause until the first frame is output from the decoder pipeline and then play. |
| [22:20:29] | markspieth: | Maybe with a fixed 2 sec extra delay before play. |
| [22:20:39] | gigem: | markspieth: What system is that, something already committed or something you're still working on? I figured a signal would be what's eventually needed, but I haven't looked that far into it yet. |
| [22:21:55] | markspieth: | gigem: Already there. There is 1 main java file where all this stuff lives. android-package-source/src/org/qtproject/qt5/android/bindings/QtActivity.java |
| [22:22:17] | markspieth: | Just teh signalling bit is missing. Was deferring that. |
| [22:22:50] | markspieth: | nothing uncommitted |
| [22:25:38] | gigem: | markspieth: Okay. I knew you'd some stuff with the java stub, but I've successfully tried very, very, very hard to stay away from that. :) I have the signal handling on my TODO list now, but don't let that stop anyone more familiar with it from working on it. These days, I tend to only have significant time for development work on Sunday's and Monday's. |
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| [22:31:18] | markspieth: | gigem: I try hard to stay away from it too, but sometimes its the easiest way to do something. |
| [22:32:04] | markspieth: | Im also not sure that surface will give us the gains we are expecting in performance. Id like to see rendering directly to GL but not sure if this is possible. |
| [22:32:26] | markspieth: | java is pretty much like C++ anyway. |
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| [22:43:45] | gigem: | markspieth: I'm not necessarily expecting huge gains with surface, but there's got to be some. The conversion and copying that has to occur with opengl isn't free. I need to run top when kodi is running with and without surface. |
| [22:49:24] | peterbennett: | markspieth: I can add a pause at the start, will have to be long enough that you have the audio and video decoded, but I did not because of the loud complaints that this is unacceptable, that live tv will not really be live tv |
| [22:49:50] | peterbennett: | Maybe I should ignore those complaints |
| [22:50:04] | peterbennett: | stuarta: ^^ |
| [22:51:40] | peterbennett: | From personal experience watching the new year countdown on a TV that is not not going through MythTV I have seen that it is 10 seconds delayed anyway. |
| [22:52:45] | peterbennett: | gigem: Note the Raspberry Pi also has superior deinterlacing |
| [22:54:57] | peterbennett: | "Advanced" Hardware deinterlace on Raspberry pi |
| [22:57:37] | gigem: | peterbennett: I got an rpi 3b+ right after it came out to try. Then my dad died and I haven't gotten back to it. I have another use planned for it, so I never really considered a viable option for me, especially with my demanding timestretch needs. |
| [22:58:05] | peterbennett: | yes timestretch doesn not do well on raspberry pi |
| [22:59:08] | peterbennett: | gigem: I have one of those stations with very compressed mpeg 2, pixellates on VDPAU, plays ok on software or raspberry pi |
| [22:59:12] | markspieth2: | the only gain with surface might be is that gl needs to flip the frame as well as scale but it does this in 1 pass anyway. gl origin is at bottom left. |
| [22:59:32] | peterbennett: | gigem: It was pixellating on the Shield with mediacodec |
| [22:59:54] | markspieth2: | mem is still shared accel or not |
| [23:00:27] | peterbennett: | markspieth2: I would rather look and see if I can do something in the code to reduce the copying of frames, before trying to figure out surface |
| [23:00:36] | markspieth2: | timestretch could do with some arm assembly love. |
| [23:00:55] | markspieth2: | agree |
| [23:01:37] | peterbennett: | timestretch on raspberry pi has the problem the hardware decoder for video is not fast enough – it can go to about 1.3 only |
| [23:02:04] | peterbennett: | I have to walk away now |
| [23:02:10] | ** peterbennett wanders off ** | |
| [23:03:05] | markspieth2: | ok. I know on arm timestretch takes disproportionately more cpu wrt video for the audio part |
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