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| [04:53:52] | enyc: | tgm4883: long time debian developer tells me r.e. that mythweb.ini that "Putting itin both locations is clearly the right thing to do unless that breaks things for some reason" |
| [04:54:01] | enyc: | tgm4883: i.e. good! |
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| [06:42:11] | dekarl: | peterbennett: in retrospect that was to be expeccted from https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ "Experimental hardware accelerated OpenGL can be enabled, if you know how ;-)" |
| [07:19:58] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [07:23:03] | stuarta: | i really need to sit down and put my rpi together |
| [07:24:41] | ** stuarta looks around his desk ** | |
| [07:24:53] | stuarta: | might be an idea to clean the desk first. get some workspace back |
| [07:29:20] | stuartm: | being using mine as a bedroom frontend for the past 4 days – it's got me thinking that I should look at improving the performance, especially responsiveness – there's a definite lag between input and response when navigating the UI which is annoying |
| [07:30:47] | stuarta: | i see similar things when trying to use stuff remotely |
| [07:30:56] | stuarta: | ie. tunnelled x |
| [07:32:54] | stuartm: | and I really need to get GL working, QT renderer sucks |
| [07:33:38] | stuartm: | unfortunately there is a driver bug that means it doesn't work with some screens and I just happen to have one of those screens |
| [07:34:16] | stuartm: | at least I do right now, planning on replacing it anyway |
| [07:37:59] | stuarta: | doh |
| [07:45:33] | stuartm: | seems strange that it's the screens, more likely to be some combinations of resolution and refresh rate but they haven't been more specific about the issue |
| [07:48:35] | stuarta: | what a pita |
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| [13:48:11] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: Regarding lag with raspberry pi – I use a remote that emulates a keyboard (ORTEK) and I have never seen a lag. Are you using lirc? |
| [13:53:28] | stuartm: | no, keyboard – want to switch to lirc I just haven't taken the time to setup it up yet |
| [13:54:10] | stuartm: | and I'm on the lookout for a discreet USB IR dongle anyway – the MCE receiver I have is larger than the Pi itself |
| [13:54:37] | stuartm: | bluetooth remote is an option I guess, but BT eats through batteries so ... |
| [13:56:11] | stuartm: | stuarta: oh, and another thing on my annoyances list – this being the first remote frontend I've setup in some time – you can't copy frontend settings from another frontend |
| [13:56:27] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: I have not seen a lag... Where do you see it? |
| [13:56:30] | stuartm: | in fact, far too many frontend preferences should IMHO be global |
| [13:57:43] | stuartm: | peterbennett1: just navigating through the UI, it's small but noticable, in the order of a few hundred ms – you press left/right/up/down and it doesn't react immediately |
| [13:58:01] | ikevin: | do you have some good feedback about myth frontend (with hd support) on rpi? |
| [13:58:23] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: You can also use CEC remote if you install the patch in #12746 |
| [13:58:23] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12746 ** | |
| [13:59:58] | peterbennett1: | ikevin: I have been using it for some months |
| [14:00:02] | stuartm: | peterbennett1: that would be good, I'll give it a go when I get my new TV – currently using an old monitor as a stand-in |
| [14:00:24] | ikevin: | peterbennett1, rpi2 or rpi3? |
| [14:00:51] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: You may also want #12730 to fix the pixelation that I found most irritating. |
| [14:00:51] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12730 ** | |
| [14:01:08] | peterbennett1: | ikevin: rpi2 |
| [14:01:13] | ikevin: | ok |
| [14:01:23] | jheizer: | Since CEC and rpi has come up, do you have any idea if CEC will work with a pi going through an hdmi reciever or sounder bar? |
| [14:01:33] | jheizer: | *sound bar |
| [14:01:44] | stuartm: | ikevin: works well, though not perfectly yet – few niggles like slow playback start (some of which is because I'm currently on wifi) and the lack of hardware rendering for the OSD |
| [14:01:57] | stuartm: | the latter REALLY bothers me on SD content |
| [14:02:23] | stuartm: | I'm using a rPi3 |
| [14:02:45] | ikevin: | ok, do you know if a netboot can speed up? |
| [14:02:48] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: Does your OSD cause interruptions, or what? |
| [14:03:02] | stuartm: | peterbennett1: no, it just looks really shitty :) |
| [14:03:29] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: Oh, flickering? |
| [14:04:27] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: do you have the mpeg2 license? If not the OSD is really bad. |
| [14:04:30] | stuartm: | no pixelated – it's rendered at the video frame resolution, which is very low for second tier SD channels (sub 720x576) and then stretched up to the display resolution of 1920x1080, this results in a blurry mess |
| [14:04:43] | stuartm: | I have the mpeg2 license |
| [14:05:13] | stuartm: | both licenses in fact |
| [14:05:16] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: oh yes sure, that is a mess. Solution – don't watch SD :) |
| [14:05:34] | stuartm: | not entirely avoidable :) |
| [14:06:14] | stuartm: | if we can get GL working then hopefully the issue will be resolved |
| [14:06:33] | stuartm: | unless the OpenMax decoder is a closed pipeline |
| [14:08:04] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: I believe opengl is only supported with gles platform not xcb, that is ho lvr had it working |
| [14:08:20] | ikevin: | peterbennett1, by SD you said mpeg2 or real SD (mpeg4 too) |
| [14:08:23] | ikevin: | ? |
| [14:08:48] | stuartm: | peterbennett1: remains to be seen, but I've heard otherwise if you use the experimental driver |
| [14:09:07] | peterbennett1: | ikevin: SD means low resolution 640x480 or so |
| [14:09:13] | ikevin: | ok |
| [14:09:53] | peterbennett1: | Related subject – I figured out the problem with running on Ubuntu xenial |
| [14:10:14] | ikevin: | i search a small hw (like rpi) for live tv, in france we have some sd channel (720/540), if i buy licence they will be slow? |
| [14:10:17] | stuartm: | however since the experimental driver doesn't like my screen for some reason I've been unable to test that at all |
| [14:11:23] | peterbennett1: | There are 2 copies of libGLESv2.so one in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa-egl/ and one in /opt/vc/lib/ |
| [14:12:02] | peterbennett1: | the one in /opt/vc/lib/ gets a seg fault when teh program get to show() on teh main window |
| [14:12:48] | peterbennett1: | If you use export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa-egl then it works |
| [14:13:43] | peterbennett1: | I could not find an easy way to get the executable to use that copy by default. I think it will require changes in every pro file or something like that |
| [14:14:04] | peterbennett1: | So for now I guess we recommend that people use that to run it. |
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| [14:15:26] | ** stuarta fires up rpi ** | |
| [14:16:41] | stuartm: | peterbennett1: I'm sticking with Raspbian just now – since that's what most new users to the Pi will probably start with |
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| [14:17:12] | stuarta: | same, but i've bought sufficient memory cards to try out xenial and fedora |
| [14:17:40] | stuartm: | I'd like things to be as painless as possible with the 'default' setup |
| [14:17:40] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: I agree. Also note that CEC is not working with xenial. |
| [14:18:17] | peterbennett1: | Even with the patches #12746 |
| [14:18:17] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12746 ** | |
| [14:19:19] | peterbennett1: | That CEC patch also speeds the startup of frontend, without it there are 10 reties of CED at 1 second intervals during startup. |
| [14:19:20] | ** stuarta agree's with stuartm ** | |
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| [14:19:33] | peterbennett1: | *CEC |
| [14:19:47] | stuarta: | peterbennett1: ugh, i hate retries like that. the media monitor was doing that with the udisks dbus service |
| [14:19:55] | stuartm: | btw, quick tip to anyone using the RPiv3 – go into raspi-config -> Internationalisation Options -> Change Wifi Country |
| [14:20:37] | stuartm: | and make sure you set it correctly – for some dumb reason it defaults to the US, which is the only country in the world (except Japan?) which doesn't support the full range of 2.4Ghz channels |
| [14:22:23] | stuartm: | drove me a little crazy before I discovered that's why my Pi was able to see my network one day but not the next – router frequency hops to avoid interference and had switched to one of the channels the Pi was unable to see until I corrected the config |
| [14:22:45] | stuarta: | thanks for the tip |
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| [14:44:16] | peterbennett1: | So how do I get some of those extra wifi channels? Maybe I should order a router from the UK. |
| [14:47:42] | peterbennett1: | You know – I have spent time in various countries with my USA laptop and never had a problem accessing wifi ... |
| [14:48:09] | peterbennett1: | I never went into any laptop setting to change wifi country |
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| [15:00:12] | stuartm: | peterbennett: the additional channels aren't widely used precisely because a lot of kit built for the US market doesn't support them, most public wifi sticks to the common frequencies |
| [15:01:07] | stuartm: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_ch . . . nce_concerns |
| [15:01:34] | stuartm: | seems I was misremembering, Japan not only supports all the channels, it also supports an additional one that no-one else does |
| [15:02:14] | letifosiferrari: | peterbennett1: I guess buying a router from the UK would work. Another solution on some router is to change the Wifi country code (either via a hacky way, or via a area-specific official firmware [My old netgear could do that]). One thing though, the 5Ghz band in Europe is not as open as it is in the US (less channels are supported there in Europe I think) |
| [15:07:49] | stuartm: | Europe didn't bother with the overlapping channels iirc – on paper that means fewer channels, in practice it means less interference between channels |
| [15:09:22] | stuartm: | although less bandwidth per channel or something like that |
| [15:10:28] | peterbennett: | I am using powerline network for some frontends but it sometimes just stops for 15 or 30 seconds. Other than that it works well |
| [15:36:09] | stuartm: | never tried powerline, wireless works pretty well and I managed to run cabling to the critical spots for most static stuff |
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| [16:56:39] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: cec is a single wire shared bus serial connection. The "data" goes everywhere, but some devices have interesting implementations as to what gets put in the wire(*), and whether all the ports share the wire. |
| [16:57:51] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: (*) In particular, some devices will not send certain key presses to other devices that those other devices are not expected to process (every device declares itself to be a type of device). |
| [16:58:12] | jheizer: | gary_buhrmaster, thanks. At least a little insipiring knowing it is an ongong bus. Not an accept/forward or requests. |
| [16:58:22] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: where "expected", by some (especially TV) manufactures apparently means the devices that the same manufacturer sells. |
| [16:58:35] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: Thomas see the ticket #12757 . There is a command line with explicit env to start mythfrontend or mythtv-setup that works on raspberry pi xenial. If you change the mythbuntu launcher scripts to use this in case of raspberry pi xenial, it will solve the segfault problem. |
| [16:58:35] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12757 ** | |
| [16:58:36] | jheizer: | Yeah vendor lock in adds even more fun. |
| [16:59:09] | jheizer: | I don't have anything to be able to test a device inbetween a tv and rpi currently to test with before I decide on buying something new for a new tv location. |
| [17:00:18] | jheizer: | in an ideal world a CEC tv, rpi with CEC and a sound bar with HDMI-ARC means it should be one happy family, but in reality who knows. |
| [17:00:20] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: AFAIK, the only way to know what a TV will actually support is to take your test tool (say, your RPi) to the store and plug it in (with the approval of a helpful sales rep, of course). |
| [17:00:48] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: Let me know when you find that ideal world. |
| [17:01:24] | jheizer: | Have to complete the room remodel first. which has been going on for years now... but getting close. |
| [17:03:00] | gary_buhrmaster: | jheizer: is this a "we are getting half way to the end every month" getting close, or a "damn the torpedos, ship it!" close? |
| [17:03:45] | jheizer: | Haha, a baseboards just have to be installed and we are finally actually completely done thank god |
| [17:04:42] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: does that need to be done via our startup script? Can that not be added directly to the frontend? |
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| [17:58:00] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: I propose adding it to the mythfrontend script where it calls mythfrontend.real |
| [17:59:11] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: can we acturately check that we're running on a pi? |
| [17:59:20] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: If you are asking if the mythfrontend executable itself can be changed to do this, I tried various ways, but it seems I will have to change all of the project files to achieve that and even then I am not sure if it will work |
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| [18:01:40] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: Something like this : http://pastebin.com/4maEeSyX |
| [18:02:36] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: that won't work for devices that are armhf and not raspberry pi's |
| [18:03:14] | peterbennett: | Are there devices that are armhf, not raspberry pi and run ubuntu xenial? |
| [18:04:38] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: there are devices that run ubuntu, are armhf, and are not raspberry pi's. 16.04 just came out, so IDK if they run it yet |
| [18:05:06] | peterbennett: | arch=arm* may be better, at run time my raspi gives armv71 for arch |
| [18:05:23] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: here's one https://www.bananian.org/news |
| [18:06:00] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: If they are running the same ubuntu mate xenial then they may have the same issue. |
| [18:07:29] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: If you include that LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the directory does not exist, or has different things in it, it is ignored anyway and the program runs as it it was not specified |
| [18:08:23] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: so we're not overriding LD_LIBRARY_PATH here? |
| [18:08:37] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: That directory does not exist on Jessie. I tried running with that on Jessie and it was fine, it ran the same as it I had not specified it. |
| [18:08:47] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [18:09:06] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is normally empty |
| [18:09:56] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: To be extra safe you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa-egl:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| [18:10:33] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: That way if they had a LD_LIBRARY_PATH specified for some reason you would just be temporarily adding to the front of it |
| [18:11:55] | peterbennett: | LD_LIBRARY_PATH just adds some directories that will be searched before the default directories |
| [18:13:05] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: We could update the default set of directories in their system but that would be risky and unfriendly in case it caused other problems. |
| [18:13:29] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/98 . . . f76bd7f28c30 |
| [18:13:53] | tgm4883: | That should be tested on both ARMHF and x86 based systems before being backported |
| [18:14:14] | peterbennett: | hang on – $arch should have been setup before in teh script |
| [18:15:17] | peterbennett: | arch=`dpkg-architecture -q DEB_TARGET_ARCH` |
| [18:16:23] | peterbennett: | And then when you execute the program you need $environ in front on mythfrontend.real |
| [18:18:04] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: what about for mythwelcome? |
| [18:19:06] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: yes, mythwelcome and mythtv-setup will need it also |
| [18:19:24] | peterbennett: | if those are even run on raspberry pi |
| [18:20:13] | peterbennett: | I tested mythtv-setup, does anybody use mythwelcome? |
| [18:20:59] | tgm4883: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . hfrontend.sh |
| [18:21:02] | tgm4883: | I'm only doing mythfronend |
| [18:22:24] | peterbennett: | arch=`dpkg-architecture -q DEB_TARGET_ARCH` is for including in the build, i actually modify my desktop file while building |
| [18:22:43] | peterbennett: | If it is checking at runtime it needs to be something else |
| [18:23:10] | peterbennett: | if [[ `arch` == arm* ]] |
| [18:23:39] | peterbennett: | or arch=`arch` followed by if [[ "$arch" == arm* ]] |
| [18:24:04] | tgm4883: | I'm supposed to be working right now. Do you want to just send a merge request? |
| [18:25:33] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: Not sure what you mean. |
| [18:26:08] | tgm4883: | If there is more stuff we need to change in that file, can you just fix it up and send me a copy? I've got to get back to work |
| [18:26:25] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: OK |
| [18:26:28] | tgm4883: | Not sure where you are at, but it's 11:30 AM here |
| [18:26:42] | peterbennett: | USA Eastern time |
| [18:26:47] | peterbennett: | 2:30 PM |
| [18:27:27] | peterbennett: | You are in California time zone? |
| [18:28:33] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [18:28:35] | tgm4883: | oregon |
| [18:30:21] | peterbennett: | OK I will put in whatever changes I think and send it to you. |
| [18:31:10] | peterbennett: | Massachusetts |
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| [18:54:33] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: I sent an email to you with patch and updated front end script <thomas@mashos.com > |
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| [19:03:30] | stuarta: | hrm, running a plain configure on the rpi throws a lot of qmake errors |
| [19:05:47] | jheizer: | If you look at my builder's logs you can see the paths we had to add for rasbian |
| [19:06:26] | stuarta: | i'm trying a few things first, i cheated and copied my git checkout from another system to save time |
| [19:07:26] | peterbennett: | stuarta: It needs a bunch of extra exports to be able to enable openmax. i have a patch to ix that |
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| [19:07:54] | stuarta: | hmmm ok |
| [19:08:43] | peterbennett: | stuarta: There are a bunch of prereqs needed. I tried ansible but it only installed half of the needed ones |
| [19:09:10] | stuarta: | peterbennett: right, then i need to know the rest, since i used the ansible playbook to fill it in |
| [19:09:58] | peterbennett: | stuarta: here are the ones I use http://pastebin.com/f6JDwLJ1 |
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| [19:11:23] | jheizer: | hmm, I don't remember having to do anything like that. |
| [19:11:24] | peterbennett: | After ansible failed to do them all, I just installed my list |
| [19:13:27] | peterbennett: | Configure is like this http://pastebin.com/GiLx28Qb |
| [19:14:31] | peterbennett: | Check the output to make sure openmax gets enabled. |
| [19:16:54] | peterbennett: | Also see https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Build_from_Source#Raspberry_Pi |
| [19:18:25] | stuarta: | all those exports need rolling into configure |
| [19:18:53] | peterbennett: | stuarta: I have done that on my repo, I can get you the patch |
| [19:19:52] | stuarta: | okay, let me know where it is, and i'll take a look, pull requests even better ;-) |
| [19:20:02] | ** stuarta heads off for a while ** | |
| [19:20:16] | peterbennett: | stuarta: they are actually only needed for the piece that enables / disables openmax, the .pro files are ok they have those where needed |
| [19:20:20] | dekarl: | peterbennett: it appears as if we may need like three packages... qt5 with software opengl, qt5 with hardware opengl but without x11 and maybe qt5 with hardware opengl and x11... https://wiki.qt.io/RaspberryPi2EGLFS |
| [19:28:25] | dekarl: | ikevin: the lowest resolution for regular tv channels (although DVB-T OTA channels) is nHD/qHD => ninth FullHD/quarter HD with 640x360 square pixels. Everytime I read "xxxHD" meaning 360p I wonder if I should laugh or cry |
| [19:30:45] | peterbennett: | stuarta: See #12762 Raspberry Pi: configure script requires additional exports |
| [19:30:45] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12762 ** | |
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| [20:27:19] | dekarl: | stuartm, do you record a series containing an ampersand in the series title? restricting the recordings list to that in the web frontend appears to not work |
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| [20:32:11] | dekarl: | oh, smolt fell over |
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| [21:09:29] | stuarta: | dekarl: lemme go fix that |
| [21:11:45] | stuarta: | fixed |
| [21:11:52] | stuarta: | looks like it was wedged |
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| [21:37:41] | stuarta: | hrm, qmake, stop objecting to nfs build dir |
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