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| [07:56:46] | stuarta: | morning all |
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| [07:58:47] | stuarta: | anyone awake who understands US callsign to logo associations? |
| [08:00:23] | stuarta: | that question is probably better posed on the mailing lists |
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| [08:59:40] | stuartm: | sure – the callsign is assigned to a logo and vice versa |
| [09:00:45] | stuartm: | probably not what you meant, but in my defence it was a vaguely worded question :) |
| [09:01:35] | stuarta: | :-p |
| [09:01:54] | stuarta: | essentially i'm wondering if the callsign maps to a unique icon |
| [09:02:18] | stuarta: | now do the affiliates have a different callsign to the main channel, and therefore a different icon |
| [09:02:42] | stuarta: | or do they use the same callsign, but different icons, or different callsigns and the same icon |
| [09:02:59] | stuartm: | based on my understanding yes, callsigns are unique to a specific channel on a particular broadcast network even down to unique callsigns for regional variations, so a mapping of icon to callsign would be specific |
| [09:03:09] | stuartm: | affiliates do have their own logos/icons |
| [09:03:15] | stuarta: | that seems to be the way it's implemented now |
| [09:03:38] | stuarta: | okay, so i don't think i need to support callsign -> multiple icon mappings |
| [09:03:42] | stuartm: | e.g. ABC might show the ABC logo but with the affiliate logo or callsign on the icon too |
| [09:07:39] | stuarta: | think i might send an email out to let our US users chime in. |
| [09:07:51] | stuarta: | tbh they are the only ones who are really going to know |
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| [10:58:56] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Morning. |
| [10:59:05] | dizygoth: | stuarta: It seems the Python bindings of 28 no longer support recording access by chanId/startTime. That's not the intent is it ? |
| [10:59:24] | dizygoth: | stuarta: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?t=1129&p=7048#p7048 |
| [10:59:57] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Is there a reason you didn't apply the dataheap.py patch of #12260 ? |
| [10:59:57] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12260 ** | |
| [11:00:43] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Seems I still have it applied locally. If I revert it I can reproduce the error |
| [11:01:04] | dizygoth: | wagnerrp: Any opinions ? |
| [11:01:17] | stuarta: | i missed that it was required |
| [11:02:37] | dizygoth: | stuarta: I understood it was 'the fix' but I never investigated fully. Not sure what the latter patch is about |
| [11:05:39] | stuarta: | feel free to commit that fix |
| [11:14:17] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Will do. Strange that it hasn't been noticed before. I would have thought all/most python scripts would be broken |
| [11:14:52] | stuarta: | yeah odd, i personally don't use them, was just trying to merge "low hanging fruit" |
| [12:02:19] | stuarta: | hah, fixed my html request, text response problem |
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| [12:02:50] | stuarta: | now i need to actually implement submit |
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| [13:44:24] | gary_buhrmaster: | Re: US icons. There are "generic" icons for (say) the national broadcast and cable networks. The affiliates (in all the major cities) brand themselves with their own "improved" logo, |
| [13:45:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | which is (usually) either the the national broadcast network with some small addition (city, or channel). |
| [13:45:40] | gary_buhrmaster: | or, very occasionally, some specific (usually) legacy icon. |
| [13:45:43] | stuarta: | gary_buhrmaster: right, so effectively a callsign maps to a single channel icon, as the affiliates will have their own callsign? |
| [13:46:41] | gary_buhrmaster: | Except that occasionally (especially for the small players) there is no local affiliate logo, or it simply is not available, so you have to use the national one. |
| [13:47:45] | gary_buhrmaster: | Now, here is where it gets even more complicated. The FCC assigns unique callsigns for any OTA broadcaster (frequency, really). |
| [13:48:13] | gary_buhrmaster: | However, "cable only" channels make up their own callsign (no national registry). |
| [13:51:24] | gary_buhrmaster: | And ATSC allows one to specify yet a different "callsign" to each program (program = set of transport streams). So a local channel will broadcast on FCC callsign WABC, with local callsigns of (say) WABC-DT, WABC-DT2, ABCD |
| [13:52:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | The local callsigns being the "branding", if you were. |
| [13:52:58] | stuarta: | i'm looking at this from the perspective of our channel icon service, so the user does a lookup via callsign, and should get the right icon |
| [13:53:10] | gary_buhrmaster: | The only real positive is that in the US, Schedules Direct is almost a requirement (for reasonable EPG), and they have curated the icons for you. |
| [13:53:45] | stuarta: | still get requests from the US |
| [13:54:34] | gary_buhrmaster: | From the service perspective, that would be the goal. However, AFAIK, other than the EPG providers, no one really has a good source of affiliate icons. |
| [13:55:33] | gary_buhrmaster: | User submitted icons would be a good thing. However (you want things to get really complicated?) the copyrights on the icons may vary. I used to see copyrights on affiliate icons that talked about use only as approved by them. |
| [13:55:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | (I presume they were worried about misused of their "branded" identity). |
| [13:56:09] | stuarta: | well we solve that issue by not hosting our own copies of the icons |
| [13:56:16] | stuarta: | we just point the users over there -> |
| [13:56:55] | gary_buhrmaster: | Well, it used to be the case that the icons moved (on the affiliate sites) every so often. |
| [13:57:28] | stuarta: | moving and obsoleting of existing icons has been filed under a future RFE |
| [13:57:34] | stuarta: | :) |
| [13:57:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | I admit I used to curate icons (and spent hours and hours looking for the "best" one), and then decided to just use the ones I got from the EPG providers. |
| [14:01:15] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Before 28.0 release you said #12689 should wait for 28.1. Any reason I shouldn't backport it now ? |
| [14:01:15] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12689 ** | |
| [14:02:09] | stuarta: | dizygoth: if it improves things go for it. i think that was because we were too close to release |
| [14:02:30] | dizygoth: | stuarta: That's what I thought. |
| [14:05:56] | gary_buhrmaster: | re: icons. btw, there are more than one case where a local (usually) cable company uses the same "callsign" across many different locations. |
| [14:06:28] | stuarta: | gary_buhrmaster: as long as they use the same icon i don't care |
| [14:06:39] | stuarta: | if they change the icon for a given callsign then i do care |
| [14:06:46] | gary_buhrmaster: | "Sportsnet" is a common type of name. Each region has their own "sportsnet", and sometimes a slightly different icon..... because the local sports carried are different. |
| [14:08:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | Oh, and btw, most affiliates actually have more than one icon (small/medium/large, transparent, white background, etc...) |
| [14:09:26] | stuarta: | not too bothered by that either. |
| [14:09:40] | gary_buhrmaster: | All the different versions intended to be available for media publishing. |
| [14:10:25] | gary_buhrmaster: | As long as you allow more than one icon per callsign, you are fine. But otherwise you end up with a user editing war (*this* icon is better than *that* icon). |
| [14:10:55] | stuarta: | we don't at the moment |
| [14:10:58] | stuarta: | that's why i'm asking |
| [14:11:09] | stuarta: | but it's all approval based at the moment |
| [14:11:50] | stuarta: | we need more facts at our disposal, in order to better influence the decisions it makes |
| [14:12:00] | stuarta: | and a better way of reviewing them |
| [14:14:57] | gary_buhrmaster: | When there are multiple available, there really is no obvious correct choice, as the situation will vary. Returning a list (ordered by "most popular"?) is likely the best you can do. |
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| [14:16:17] | gary_buhrmaster: | Because I have seen people who despise the local affiliate logo (which has a tiny ABC in the corner of the BRANDING_HERE ugly artwork) in favor of the national one (a big ABC) |
| [14:17:06] | f00bar80: | I have an incoming streams to my CDN from different sources which i then restream, I want to know how I can monitor latency, jitter and traffic bottleneck, any advices are greatly appreciated. |
| [14:17:14] | gary_buhrmaster: | This was especially common when local affiliates were rearranging national affiliations (less common now), and their local brand was more important (to them). |
| [14:21:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | But, I return to my original feeling that for the US, most users really should use the logo/icon available from their EPG provider, and other than knowing what the US does, |
| [14:22:14] | gary_buhrmaster: | you likely should not overly complicate your solution to deal with the US "specialness". |
| [14:22:16] | lapion: | stuartm is there any way to use h264 as the encoder for analog recordings ? |
| [14:24:34] | gary_buhrmaster: | lapion: technically, the HD-PVR encodes to H.264 for analog (component) input. Although I suspect that is not the scenario you are asking about. |
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| [14:32:39] | stuartm: | lapion: technically yes, again though there's a missing link in the code and ui to actually do this. It has become a low priority since the vast majority of users are either using a hardware encoder like the HD-PVR or they have purely digital setups (ATSC, DVB, IPTV etc) |
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| [15:17:12] | lapion: | stuartm, thanks , thats too bad.. the current mp4 encoder gives a very poor quality. |
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| [17:19:27] | warpme: | hi guys! |
| [17:19:56] | warpme: | just quick Q: is it possible to somehow implment https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=163 |
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| [17:56:53] | dekarl: | warpme: I was wondering that too lately. Now that we automatically store a position that has been played to it would be nice to list recordings with these automatic marks early in the "watch list". But I didn't find an option to continue watching at all |
| [17:58:11] | dekarl: | MARK_UTIL_LASTPLAYPOS c13b8361627f971cef10d47eb52445157f23eff6 |
| [17:59:00] | dekarl: | stuartm, stichnot, wagnerrp -^ |
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| [18:09:41] | dekarl: | stuarta, IIUIC the callsign is the real radio call sign allocated by the FCC together with the frequency. the network is the primary content provider. so for each chaqnnel there are likely two relevant icons :) |
| [18:10:35] | dekarl: | stuarta also https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1444 on call signs |
| [18:22:00] | dekarl: | wrt the definate source of great icons, if we can come up with a reference list of channels we can talk to fanart.tv. the main thing that keep the from collecting a matching icon set appears to be the missing reference key |
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| [19:30:31] | dekarl: | stuarta, gary_buhrmaster: fanart.tv already has all the infrastructure for voting, moderation, multiple kinds of logos, common guidelines (e.g. test on light/dark background). I can't find the topic on fanart.tv but see that there is yet another site http://www.thelogodb.com/country.php?c=United%20Kingdom |
| [19:32:35] | dekarl: | But I don't see a definate channel list with connections between variants (regional, sd/hd, +1/+24) there. I wonder how they know what channels exist and which is which |
| [19:34:26] | gary_buhrmaster: | "Standards" are wonderful things. Everyone should choose a few. |
| [19:34:30] | dekarl: | ok, here it is http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=22802 . . . 0#pid2021690 |
| [19:34:49] | dekarl: | indeed https://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| [19:40:25] | gary_buhrmaster: | I will note that a (10 second) quick scan of thelogodb (for North America/US) shows it woefully lacking. Not even the "national broadcasters" logos are there (maybe they are hidden somewhere else, as I said, 10 second scan). |
| [19:43:41] | dekarl: | it appears to be "yet another one man show", something which I appreciated, but would not really like to depend on. that's why the existing fanart.tv community appears so attractive to me |
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| [21:39:28] | f00bar80: | which channel is discussing streaming environment in general ? |
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