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| [00:32:40] | peterbennett1: | stuartm: About the name for version 28.0 or 0.28 ... Looks like you changed something back... Is there a change of heart? |
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| [01:26:54] | ** tgm4883 votes for 28.0 and deal with it ** | |
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| [08:13:50] | stuarta: | tgm4883: i specifically tagged it and released it as 0.28 for packaging reasons |
| [08:17:37] | stuarta: | superm1: ^^^ |
| [08:17:59] | stuarta: | you guys won't have had to do anything |
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| [11:46:45] | dizygoth: | https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?t=1417&p=6871 |
| [11:48:01] | dizygoth: | I see the same thing on master with a USB tuner – Kworld UB499–2T T09. |
| [11:48:58] | dizygoth: | Last configured several months ago, it works reliably. But, having deleted it, Myth won't detect it now. |
| [11:50:14] | dizygoth: | v4L2util::Open has a null dev_name and in the bt there's no probe info at all – cardid =0, all nulls otherwise |
| [11:50:44] | dizygoth: | I'm heading out now but any ideas where to start looking ? |
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| [12:19:12] | stuarta: | hmmm, i have the same card as that reported in the forum, will have to try adding it in |
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| [13:12:18] | peterbennett: | stuarta: The wiki template called {{UpToDate 28.0}} – and {{CurrentRelease}} – was set to 0.28 then changed to 28.0 then changed back to 0.28. Is that correct? Is it now 0.28 or 28.0 ? |
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| [13:14:28] | stuarta: | stuartm: ^^^ |
| [13:14:57] | peterbennett: | stuartm: Actually I think you changed those templates |
| [13:15:19] | peterbennett: | Sorry I forgot who GBee was |
| [13:15:23] | stuarta: | :) |
| [13:23:16] | stuartm: | peterbennett: I no longer know what the version is |
| [13:24:33] | stuartm: | far too much importance is placed on such a trivial thing :) |
| [13:24:57] | stuartm: | might as well be XXVIII |
| [13:25:34] | peterbennett: | stuartm: You sound jaded |
| [13:25:56] | stuartm: | or ⁂ |
| [13:26:20] | stuartm: | more bemused than jaded |
| [13:26:58] | stuarta: | peterbennett: i think it would be sufficient to leave things as 0.28, and "next" as 29 |
| [13:27:01] | stuarta: | 29.0 |
| [13:27:33] | stuartm: | not asterism? I was just warming to that |
| [13:27:34] | peterbennett: | Is it inopportune to point out that the template UpTodate28.0 actually now says 0.28 in the display. I think the name should match what it says |
| [13:27:44] | stuartm: | or ⁜ |
| [13:28:18] | peterbennett: | How about "The version formerly known as 0.28" |
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| [13:35:09] | stuartm: | codename squiggle |
| [13:35:45] | peterbennett: | Version ༃ |
| [13:35:53] | stuarta: | that's mr squiggle to you! |
| [13:37:26] | peterbennett: | OK gotta go. Let me know if you decide. Meanwhile the users will get more confused. |
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| [14:05:18] | taylorr: | <sarcasm> I was really hoping we'd go the other direction with the version numbering... 0.0.28 sounds much better to me.... then release 0.1.0 when we are finally stable after over a decade of development </sarcasm> |
| [14:07:32] | stuarta: | :) |
| [14:16:32] | jheizer_: | Along those lines, will the new chrome webusb api mean I can run a backend in my browser? How long till that is supported? |
| [14:16:48] | ** jheizer_ kept waiting to see an email with someone asking something like that yesterday ** | |
| [14:30:23] | stuarta: | well according to the stats the release has double www and wiki traffic over the last 2 days |
| [14:30:31] | stuarta: | *doubled |
| [14:31:41] | Steve-Goodey: | All complaining about the version number change. :-) |
| [14:32:58] | stuarta: | hah |
| [14:33:44] | jheizer_: | lol |
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| [14:34:42] | jheizer: | This nobody approves. When I helped a friend setup a myth system last year explaining to get version .27.something jsut sounds weird to people. |
| [14:36:19] | stuarta: | maybe we call the next one "flying pigs" |
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| [14:38:33] | jheizer: | Hmm I'm not sure. I hear weird alliterations were the cool way to name things. |
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| [14:58:35] | tgm4883: | stuarta: stuartm so just a quick thought. I think the resistance against moving to 28.0 was more of a "Maybe we should move to a different version numbering entirely" |
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| [15:03:52] | stuarta: | tgm4883: well i did think of you guys, i made sure the release itself was tagged 0.28 so it didn't confuse anything on your side |
| [15:04:39] | tgm4883: | I'm all good with the change then |
| [15:04:58] | tgm4883: | Moving to 29 also means we might be able to get rid of the epoch |
| [15:05:05] | stuarta: | master has already been kicked to 29.0 for the version and the soname |
| [15:09:05] | tgm4883: | stuarta: so 29.0. How about some embedded mysql? :) |
| [15:09:58] | tgm4883: | full disclosure, it would make my job easier for upcoming packaging to have embedded mysql |
| [15:10:31] | tgm4883: | I'm sure it's not just a drop in replacement, but do sql queries need to be rewritten? |
| [15:10:45] | stuarta: | i haven't the faintest clue |
| [15:11:10] | stuarta: | the first step would be to ensure that no clients need direct access to the DB |
| [15:11:40] | stuarta: | tgm4883: the short answer is there are no plans to do that at this time |
| [15:12:25] | tgm4883: | stuarta: doesn't the frontend need direct access? |
| [15:12:33] | stuarta: | right now, yes |
| [15:12:44] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [15:12:46] | tgm4883: | bummer |
| [15:13:02] | stuarta: | long term, it would be lovely if all the clients needed was a connection to the backend |
| [15:13:19] | tgm4883: | Yea, that would be nice |
| [15:13:29] | tgm4883: | services API only would be the best I think |
| [15:13:44] | stuarta: | personally i think it's more pressing to do things like starting to use the DVBv5api, as the newer hardware is being written against this |
| [15:13:52] | stuarta: | and only shimmed back to the v3 api |
| [15:14:01] | tgm4883: | true |
| [15:14:13] | stuarta: | it's now common to lose things like SNR, BER etc stats via the v3 api |
| [15:14:33] | tgm4883: | You work on that, and I'll pretend to work on other stuff :) |
| [15:14:45] | ** tgm4883 googles how to code in C++ ** | |
| [15:14:47] | stuarta: | i've opened the ticket, will that do? |
| [15:15:02] | tgm4883: | stuarta: ah, so you're halfway done already |
| [15:15:02] | stuarta: | tgm4883: i've got plenty of stuff todo in rails as well ;-) |
| [15:15:21] | tgm4883: | how about python, anything to do in python? |
| [15:15:45] | stuarta: | we have python bindings, and i'm fairly sure some open tickets |
| [15:16:08] | tgm4883: | Maybe I'll have a look at those |
| [15:16:32] | stuarta: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/report/11 – second section |
| [15:18:34] | jheizer: | me raises hand for .Net work and chuckles |
| [15:19:15] | jheizer: | See I can't do C++. I can't even remember a / at the beginning of the line. |
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| [15:31:21] | tgm4883: | stuarta: Yea I might be able to take care of some of those. I'll have a look later today. |
| [15:31:29] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [15:32:37] | ** tgm4883 changes mythweb to mythweb.net and assigns all tickets to jheizer ** | |
| [15:32:41] | tgm4883: | pretty sure that works right :) |
| [15:33:24] | jheizer: | I already did that lol |
| [15:33:28] | jheizer: | mobilemyth.net |
| [15:33:43] | jheizer: | but need to just drop it and move to the internal frontend stuff |
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| [19:05:26] | dekarl: | can someone confirm the "ubuntu 16.04 forces users to mysql 5.7 which does not allow zeru datetime like 0000-00–00T00:00:00 which we use instead of NULL" information in the mythweb and mysql 5.7 ticket? |
| [19:08:38] | dekarl: | tgm4883: want to do python stuff? add fanart.tv art to our tmdb/tvdb grabbers ;) |
| [19:10:07] | dekarl: | gives us more pixels for tv art in the mythbuntu theme and posters in a common aspect ratio for movies :) |
| [19:16:25] | dekarl: | would also give the same quality of art for music, not sure if we have grabbers with the mbids though |
| [19:17:19] | jheizer: | I can say 16.04 recently moved to 5.7, but I saw that upgrade and cancelled it. Not sure on the rest. |
| [19:18:10] | dekarl: | would be a good timing, too https://blog.musicbrainz.org/2016/04/11/annou . . . release-0-6/ |
| [19:19:03] | dekarl: | a "better late then never release" on the 11th of april ;) |
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| [19:34:21] | dekarl: | ... In MySQL 5.7.4 with the same mode settings, strict mode includes the effect of NO_ZERO_DATE and TIMESTAMP columns cannot be defined with DEFAULT '0000-00–00 00:00:00'. ... http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/sql-mo . . . mode-changes |
| [19:36:32] | dekarl: | and strict mode defaults to on for transactional tables |
| [19:39:05] | dekarl: | so its on for innodb and off for the deprecated myisam (our default) |
| [19:39:25] | dekarl: | hmm isam is deprecated |
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| [20:31:44] | stuarta: | dekarl: i looked at the ubuntu mysql thing earlier |
| [20:32:14] | stuarta: | if you are upgrading and have the mysql-server meta package installed, it is currently held back, so you stay at mysql-5.6 |
| [20:32:28] | stuarta: | if you either upgrade or delete and reinstall it, you get mysql-.57 |
| [20:32:32] | stuarta: | er 5.7 |
| [20:36:04] | peterbennett: | stuarta: I would recommend people stay on 5.6 until MythTV is tested and vailidated to work correctly on 5.7 |
| [20:36:13] | stuarta: | indeed |
| [20:36:29] | stuarta: | i'm loath to upgrade it, since that box is shared between dev and prod |
| [20:36:48] | stuarta: | i'm very surprised that mysql-5.7 slipped in at the last minute |
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| [20:38:02] | jheizer: | yeah I only was getting it via a dist-upgrade which I've been trying to do since on a pre-release version |
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| [20:45:08] | stuarta: | jheizer: that's what i've been doing, but noticed today that it was held back |
| [20:45:24] | stuarta: | so i uninstalled the meta package, and now if i try to reinstall it, it wants 5.7 |
| [20:45:39] | stuarta: | not ready to stuff everything just yet |
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| [20:47:22] | jheizer: | Yeah I've got a few things accessing mine so afraid |
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| [21:37:17] | bill6502: | dekarl: re zero datetime: |
| [21:37:22] | bill6502: | mysql> update recorded set starttime='0000–00–00 00:00:00' where title like 'abc7%' limit 1; |
| [21:37:24] | bill6502: | ERROR 1292 (22007): Incorrect datetime value: '0000–00–00 00:00:00' for column 'starttime' at row 1 |
| [21:38:45] | bill6502: | and I too had the 16.04 Ubuntu package held back, until I stopped the mysql server, then doing the dist-upgrade removed the 5.6 package. |
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| [21:40:33] | bill6502: | reinstalling it picked the default 5.7 version, though mysql-client-5.6 is still available according to apt-cache search |
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| [21:54:31] | bill6502: | dekarl: another user commented about not being able to login, I put default_password_lifetime=0 to disable password aging in /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mythtv.cnf (note that /etc/mysql/conf.d is searched before mysql.conf.d) May need to update a lot of Wikis. |
| [21:54:48] | bill6502: | or just tell folks to reinstall 5.6 |
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| [22:03:27] | bill6502: | for extra credit: if datadir isn't using /var/lib/mysql (e.g.datadir= /srv/db), then users will find that the .service file's ExecStartPre=/usr/share/mysql/mysql-systemd-start script only checks for an existing directory/link of /var/lib/mysql/mysql |
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| [22:33:40] | bill6502: | Add: sql-mode="ALLOW_INVALID_DATES" in /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mythtv.cnf. still get a warning, but the data is changed |
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| [23:08:30] | mschoolbus: | Just wanted to say Grats on the release! |
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