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Monday, April 11th, 2016, 00:08 UTC

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MitchCapper:

I am just about done with some bookmark reading/saving code for the dvr services API i am trying to match the style of the existing api calls allowing for using duration/position rather than frame for args. For getting the bookmark this is easy with QueryKeyFrameDuration but is there any opposite of that type function to go from a duration to a key frame for example:) Before i write my own i

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MitchCapper:

figured i would check.

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knightr:

it would be so nice if we could see the commits on MythWeb while it is still alive...

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MitchCapper:

Nevermind wrote my own

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jnylen:

dekarl, so wait, I have to put an imprint on my site even if it doesn't use a .DE domain?

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dekarl:

jnylen: having an imprint ist generally useful if you run a business like service. But for swedish companies I'd expect that swedish law applies. I can guess why you are asking... Don't pay the lawyer, missing impress can be handled with a form letter.

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** stuarta goes huh? **

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jnylen:

We don't have an imprint law here

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jnylen:

hell IIS (maintains .NU and .SE) won't even give you the adress of the owner

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stuartm:

stuarta: from memory it's a legal requirement in Germany to include details of ownership/authorship for published material, including websites

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dekarl:

hmm, looks like there is a EU directive to be put into national law. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT . . . &from=en

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jnylen:

Oh wonderful EU

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stuartm:

not sure what the intent is, but it's probably about making it clear who you are dealing with and making it easier to uncover bias

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jnylen:

fucking shit up

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dekarl:

its common in germany for starving lawyers to find competing companies, then travel the web sites and send out form letters with money payable to the lawyer

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dekarl:

but its been ruled that "a competitor's web site is missing an impress" is not something that must be handled by a lawyer, so receivers of such letters do not have to pay that

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stuartm:

of course it cuts both ways, including the name and address of an individual on a site can stifle freedom to say something which might get you into trouble – great if you're just making stuff up or trolling, bad if you're whistle blowing or legitimately criticising an authoritarian government

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dekarl:

jnylen: I'm off to work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abmahnung basically If you have a contact address on the site you can add the impress and write back "thanks for the hint buddy, but you could have send an email to info@domain instead, would have fixed it much faster".

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dekarl:

If in doubt contact your lawyer or similar

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stuarta:

if in denial, engage emu mode

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stuarta:

right, i do believe it's time to do a release

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stuarta:

i'm tempted to call it 0.28.0 for clarity

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stuarta:

but that would break with tradition

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stuarta:

bah, this doesn't seem to have been backported https://git.io/vV9ng

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stuartm:

traditions are meant to be broken

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stuartm:

call it 1.0

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stuarta:

stuartm: you like the idea of 0.28.0 ?

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stuartm:

or 28.0

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stuartm:

screw the preceeding 0

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stuarta:

hah

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stuartm:

version 28.0, seriously, it's way past time to drop that, we're way beyond 1.0

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dekarl:

jnylen: a last one. be aware, an impress and other forms for "crawlable company contact information" will lead to lots of offers from yellow pages companies that are made to look like invoices for mandatory official stuff. its just a scam that gets you 2 years worth of some unknown company directory for "only" 50 Euro per month (or similar)

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dekarl:

lets pull a firefox and call it 28.0 instead ;)

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stuartm:

and I don't like the idea of jumping to 1.0 since that implies some things that I don't like – namely that after over a decade we finally consider this the definitive version

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jnylen:

dekarl, yeah

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jnylen:

we have that here aswell

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stuarta:

stuartm: i am loath to call it 1.0 for that exact reason

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stuarta:

for some reason i don't like 0.30, so i can forsee 0.28 -> 0.29 -> 1.0

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stuartm:

this is a incremental release, but it's not a beta version either, so 28.0 suits that – it's clear we're just dropping the leading 0 and not making any particular statement about this being THE release

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stuartm:

stuarta: I think we'll be setting ourselves up for a fall if we were to ever release 1.0 at this stage, going straight to 28.0 is less of symbolic release but it also sheds the image that we're permanently in early alpha/beta

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stuarta:

my feng shui will be offended by the sonames of the libraries....

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stuartm:

heh :)

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dekarl:

At this point the very symbolic 1.0 release is only good for next april's fool when we announce that we dropped support for this linux and moved on to windows to replace their MCE offering ;)

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stuarta:

pffft, lets call it 16.04 :-p

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dizygoth:

stuarta: Missing backport: That's what I was asking about last night. They're 4 other commits as well – some bits are in fixes, some bits are only in master

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stuarta:

dizygoth: right, what bits are missing, we should get them in

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dizygoth:

stuarta: Sent you the email

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stuarta:

thanks

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stuarta:

stuartm: tbh, i think it'll break the ubuntu packaging to change this late. i'm going to go with 0.28.0 and we can think up something else for next one

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stuartm:

bah

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stuartm:

I'll be calling it 28 :)

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stuartm:

time for bold moves

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stuarta:

i'll call the next one 29.0

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stuartm:

well we can call the current one 28.0, just leave the branch/tag as 0.28

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stuarta:

stuartm: did you have any thoughts on backporting those patches dizygoth identified for the rpi support?

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stuartm:

well I haven't see the email

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stuarta:

you were cc'd

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stuarta:

subject: Re: Ticket #12709: Segmentation fault playing a recording with file missing

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dizygoth:

stuartm: Apologies. I should have used a better title...

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stuartm:

ah, ok, title didn't suggest Raspberry Pi backports :)

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stuarta:

i'll let you think about those while i go get some lunch

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stuartm:

those should all be backported

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stuartm:

honestly, I think I just overlooked doing so

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stuartm:

I think there are a couple of outstanding patches too which I've not had time to review

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dizygoth:

stuartm: They'll probably build ok but should someone actually test it on a Pi before we release ? Could be embarrassing...

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stuartm:

I don't think master and 0.28 have diverged that much

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stuartm:

and master was working fine after I committed those

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stuartm:

well, the four you highlighted, not the one you just committed

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dizygoth:

stuartm: I'm sure master is ok – PB & probably others have been using it. I wonder if anyone has tried fixes on a Pi though.

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stuartm:

there's almost no difference between master and fixes, so it seems unlikely that there will be any issues

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stuartm:

that said, if anyone is able to test it in the next few hours then please do

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dizygoth:

I've backported those 4 & aa676f77df (caused segfault) & ed3741d1 (its fix). All PB's master commits are now also in fixes. It builds/runs fine on non-Pi HW. Let me know if I should push them.

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** stuarta votes for push **

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dizygoth:

Voting is closed

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

worst case, we keep patching it

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dizygoth:

stuarta: I've also got a proper fix for #12650. And #12689 (which could be annoying). If you want them

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12650 **

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12689 **

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stuarta:

dizygoth: i like the fix for #12650 but the revert to "fix" #12689 isn't worth doing, we are better off changing to 0.28.1 milestone

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12650 **

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12689 **

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dizygoth:

stuarta: You want me to push 12650 to fixes ?

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stuarta:

dizygoth: master definitely

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stuarta:

jya: you have any comments on #12650 ?? looks good to me

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12650 **

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stuarta:

meh... :shipit:

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stuarta:

dizygoth: can you push that to master and 0.28 please

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stuarta:

dekarl: what happened to your freebsd arm builder

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stuartm:

freebsd arm? Heh ... whatever next?

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MitchCapper:

stuarta for #12720 i noticed it was targetting the 0.29 release, I tried to make the patchset relatively unobtrusive and it doesn't change any existing method signatures, should I do anything else to help it get merged? I knew it wouldn't be making 0.28 but I assumed it may for 0.28.1

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12720 **

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stuarta:

MitchCapper: it could probably be targetted for 0.28.1

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stuarta:

more likely it'll get put into master and backported

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MitchCapper:

ok

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stuarta:

stuartm: a working windows port?

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stuarta:

MitchCapper: nothing against the actual patch, given we are releasing 0.28 today, that's just the way it'll be

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MitchCapper:

no problem just figured I would see if there was anything I should do on it.

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stuarta:

if i could remember who has been working on the services api recently, i'd assign it to them for comment

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jpabq:

stuarta: services api is mostly being tinkered with by Bill.

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stuarta:

jpabq: thanks, he just chowned it

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stuarta:

and moved it to 0.28.1

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stuarta:

right, i'm resetting the release clock to now()+4hrs

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jpabq:

It will be another two weeks before I will enough free time to work on Myth again. Sigh.

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stuarta:

sadly we all seem to be busy these days

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bill6502:

MitchCapper: I was looking at PR 117 last night. Is there a way to download the commit to my own tree, or do I clone your branch?

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MitchCapper:

of course, git can easily merge it into your own branch but if you want to just grab the patch you can do so also: https://github.com/mitchcapper/mythtv/commit/ . . . fb0501.patch

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MitchCapper:

then just run git-apply

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bill6502:

got it, tnx, I was trying to get it from https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/117/com . . . 565518fb0501

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dekarl:

stuarta, you've been away for two weeks? Windows is getting a decent Ubuntu port :D Not sure how to find them on Smolt, maybe the "Linux version 3.4.0-Microsoft (Microsoft@Microsoft.com)" kernel version gives it away? https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2016/0 . . . -on-windows/

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stuarta:

bill6502: you should just be able to pull the patch across

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stuarta:

add a remote; git fetch --all; git merge ... should do it

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** stuarta wanders off again **

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dekarl:

wrt freebsd arm builder, i gave it two more tries, (kernel downgrade and disable of automitic mounting of the remote fs). looks like i have to reinstall :/

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dekarl:

stuartm, i'd like to see if our configure finds the raspberry openmax userland bits. net- and freebsd both have opengl and hardware video offloading. would be nice if it works. Not sure about aarch64 though

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stuartm:

dekarl: yes it detects openmax

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dekarl:

and the rpib is just collecting dust

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stuartm:

and uses it of course

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dekarl:

oh very cool. looks like i can put trying freenas + mythbackend with crochet rpi image + mythfrontend on the projects list

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peterbennett2:

stuartm: re the webfrontend – enable/disable rules do not work, edit recording rule on a template just gives a blank screen, also the backend will not kill if you have accesed the web frontend (needs kill twice).

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stuarta:

right, we have green across the board with our builds

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stuarta:

peterbennett2: that explains why my backends need to be killed twice

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stuartm:

is the same true if you access the upnp server or services API?

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gary_buhrmaster:

stuarta: re: "it is not easy being green". Well, as long as you do not look all the way to the right.... (yes, I know it has not built for many months and requires some TLC to revive)

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** stuarta gets confused... **

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peterbennett2:

stuartm: I don't know, is there an easy way to test upnp or services API?

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stuartm:

http://{IP}:6544/Myth/GetBackendInfo

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stuarta:

and that's the release done

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peterbennett2:

stuartm: After running that GetBackendInfo, the backend dies successfully after one kill

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stuarta:

hmm, now where is "CurrentRelease" defined in the wiki....??

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stuartm:

peterbennett2: ok, narrows it down, must be related to the QT Script Engine

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peterbennett2:

stuarta: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:CurrentRelease

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stuarta:

thanks, updated

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jheizer:

I'll +1 on it not being from the services API unless it was somewhat recent. I've never had to double stop and used it a ton over the last few years.

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jheizer:

and congrats all on the release!

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bill6502:

and the 'Important 0.28 Dates ' box in the release notes is done

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stuarta:

cheers

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stuarta:

forum announcement done too, as is the main web page

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stuarta:

stuartm: you are funny....

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stuartm:

not trying to be

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stuartm:

the 0 is entirely superfluous, perhaps I failed to make the case

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stuarta:

heh

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stuarta:

no you didn't

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stuartm:

main page – did you commit the changes to the repo?

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stuarta:

stuartm: you can now go and change things for master so that the soname is .29 if you want :-p

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stuarta:

stuartm: yes i did commit it

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stuarta:

to mizar, i'll push it to alcor too

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stuartm:

ok, I just pulled from the www repo and there were no changes, I guess we're not using that one now

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stuarta:

no we haven't been for a while

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stuartm:

yeah, I got mixed up

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** stuarta declares it's time to watch some recordings with a nice shiny 0.28 release ;-) **

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Roklobotomy:

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stuarta:

last few changes won't hit until tonights build at a guess

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stuarta:

only 80mins old

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Roklobotomy:

right, currently installing 0.28.0+fixes.20160410.4ffac87

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stuarta:

looks like last nights

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stuarta:

but not a lot of changes that'll affect most people

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Roklobotomy:

anything majorly improved lately?

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Roklobotomy:

I do regular updates and it's been very good for a while.

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Roklobotomy:

no mystery 100% CPU issues

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stuarta:

yeah, it's pretty solid, so it's now officially released to coincide with the impending ubuntu lts release

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Roklobotomy:

oh i didn't notice

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Roklobotomy:

but i guess it's time to replace my 8yo mythtv mobo with a new one and mythbuntu lts

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Roklobotomy:

stupid thing won't die

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jheizer:

Agreed, other than the few little ticket's I've raised. Stable and good like any other release.

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stuarta:

seriously, what is the point of the channel icon db containing callsigns, when the callsign search is done by looking at the holistically generated station name

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stuarta:

and not the actual callsign

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stuarta:

i'm no longer surprised that it finds total and utter crap sometimes

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stuarta:

ugh, and more hacks

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Roklobotomy:

stuarta: i use the 'shepherd' scheduling system here in .au and it deals with icons for me.

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Roklobotomy:

whoever wrote that perl wonder is a genius.

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stuarta:

Roklobotomy: i'm working on our central icon lookup service, and erm, it needs work

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