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[00:00:34] | dekarl: | either way, concatenating strings together makes it impossible to move words around variables where the translation needs it |
[00:00:53] | dekarl: | or rather reorder variables |
[00:01:20] | knightr: | yes |
[00:01:37] | knightr: | like I said even for LTR languages it's a PITA |
[00:01:53] | knightr: | for RTL it's even worse... |
[00:02:14] | knightr: | if you concatenate |
[00:02:18] | dekarl: | and its a source of bugs, when you concat an integer to a string... |
[00:02:27] | knightr: | "This is line 1" |
[00:02:28] | knightr: | with |
[00:02:32] | knightr: | "This is line 2" |
[00:02:38] | knightr: | in LTR it gives |
[00:02:48] | knightr: | "This is line 1 This is line 2" |
[00:03:20] | knightr: | 1 enil si shiT |
[00:03:26] | knightr: | and |
[00:03:28] | knightr: | 2 enil si shiT |
[00:03:38] | knightr: | should be rendered |
[00:03:44] | knightr: | 2 enil si shiT 1 enil si shiT |
[00:04:10] | knightr: | but I am pretty sure we would end up with |
[00:04:17] | knightr: | 1 enil si shiT 2 enil si shiT |
[00:05:47] | knightr: | anyway not enought thought is put into supporting other LTR languages so thinking about RTL is a pipe dream... |
[00:05:56] | dekarl: | well, we do have some hebrew users at least, don't know about arabic/persian. not sure how active they are |
[00:06:14] | knightr: | we lost the Hebrew translator ages ago.. |
[00:06:26] | dekarl: | I remember an old ticket wrt hebrew EIT |
[00:06:39] | knightr: | I believe is now the president of a relatively big company from what I saw... |
[00:07:02] | knightr: | have you ever tried putting your Firefox in Arabic |
[00:07:15] | dekarl: | losing him explains the lack of contributions in that area |
[00:07:15] | knightr: | I did for fun since I have colleagues which speak it... |
[00:07:53] | knightr: | but Karl, we are not putting any effort into supporting RTL languages |
[00:08:40] | knightr: | even if he didn't change jobs I am not sure if I was in his place if I would have continued translating when the support for my language is not even there... |
[00:09:00] | knightr: | Firefox in Arabic has the whole screen rendered backwards... |
[00:09:08] | knightr: | everything which should be on the left |
[00:09:13] | knightr: | (button, etc...) |
[00:09:16] | knightr: | is on the right... |
[00:09:31] | dekarl: | so basically the layout is flipped? |
[00:09:43] | knightr: | from what I could see, yes! |
[00:09:54] | knightr: | I asked in the past if that could be doable at the theme level |
[00:10:17] | knightr: | I was told that theorically it could but we didn't quite know if that was the only thing needed... |
[00:10:48] | dekarl: | "a good idea, for later once we finished converting to mythui" ;) |
[00:11:15] | knightr: | yah... |
[00:12:21] | dekarl: | time to hit sack, see you later |
[00:12:37] | knightr: | Goodnight, take care Karl! |
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[05:05:50] | letifosiferrari: | Posting back regarding the question I asked yesterday (or the day before yesterday) [The question was regarding mythbackend not starting on Debian Jessie on Raspberry Pi after generating the .deb via the build-debs script]. The solution stuarta provided was what was needed (enabling the service in systemd). Interesting thing, the backend started properly after enabling the service but I faced an issue where the backend was run |
[05:05:51] | letifosiferrari: | ning, but clients could not connect to it. It seems like quite a bit of people faced the same issue and it seemed to be because mythbackend was started before there was a viable network interface started. I was able to workaround this by going in raspi-config and enabling the RPi to not "start" until it is connected to the network. [Just sharing in case other people face the same issue on the RPi] |
[05:06:10] | letifosiferrari: | Anyway, thank you for your help! |
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[05:07:19] | letifosiferrari: | Looking forward to trying out the 0.28 version with frontend on RPi! [didn't get time to try it out just yet] Thank you for the awesome work all :-) |
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[08:17:40] | dekarl: | is it just me or did not a single additional arm or fixes/0.28 instance appear in the smolt data? With all the traffic on the users list thats a surprise for me |
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[09:21:34] | stuarta: | dekarl: there is some arm data there, just look at the cpus |
[09:22:01] | stuarta: | what we don't have visible from that smolt data, is trending information |
[09:25:53] | stuarta: | i'm pretty sure the raw data is there, just there is no way of visualizing it. |
[09:26:15] | ** stuarta puts that down as a feature request for smolt2 ** | |
[09:45:44] | stuarta: | hah, it's damn simple to integrate buildbot with github webhooks |
[09:50:30] | stuarta: | think i'll switch to those when migrating buildmaster to mizar |
[10:15:15] | stuarta: | hrm, i've been migrating stuff off alcor longer than i thought, my initial checkin to the ansible playbooks was 2nd July 2014 |
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[15:10:14] | dekarl: | stuarta, ha! arm on smolt raised from 6 (been 6 for some time now) to 10... ty whoever that was |
[15:10:49] | dekarl: | and 63x fixes/0.28 much better |
[15:10:56] | jams_: | dekarl, if you look in the upper right of the page it has a timestamp |
[15:11:08] | jams_: | thats the time of the last refresh of the data |
[15:11:26] | dekarl: | jams_: did I miss that it was stuck? |
[15:11:28] | jams_: | before today the last refresh was Jan 13th |
[15:11:43] | jams_: | permission problem on a log file prevented it from completeing refresh |
[15:11:43] | dekarl: | doh |
[15:12:22] | dekarl: | so its ty jams_ ? ;) |
[15:14:44] | jams_: | yep |
[15:22:40] | stuarta: | jams_: which log file? |
[15:22:58] | stuarta: | there was a permissions problem stopping it from starting the other day, which i fixed |
[15:24:09] | jams_: | smoon/server.log was owned by root |
[15:24:25] | jams_: | it should be owned by smoon, or at least writable by smoon |
[15:24:36] | stuarta: | kk |
[15:26:03] | jams_: | for reference the process that updates the webpages is a cron job under the smoon id |
[15:27:52] | stuarta: | that i knew. i thought the server log was just for request logs |
[15:27:58] | stuarta: | pile of poo |
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[15:56:26] | dekarl: | sphery, so should we remove "Master Backend Override" after the release? |
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[17:54:29] | peterbennett1: | Re SMOLT – I just tried to submit my profile for raspberry Pi v0.28 and it says "Encountered a problem while submitting your profile" – this happens every time – maybe that is why you do not have much data? |
[18:02:17] | dekarl: | can you paste the profile somewhere? sounds like it might be http error 500 due to surprising contents |
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[18:26:56] | peterbennett1: | dekarl: How do I paste teh profile? |
[18:27:02] | peterbennett1: | *the |
[18:29:29] | peterbennett1: | dekarl: What I mean is, how do I get it for pasting? |
[18:59:44] | dekarl: | half a fix for "s.p.e.c.t.r.e." http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416927/ |
[18:59:53] | dekarl: | peterbennett1: let me take a look |
[19:00:12] | peterbennett1: | OK |
[19:01:31] | dekarl: | e.g.: /usr/share/mythtv/hardwareprofile/sendProfile.py --printOnly | pastebinit |
[19:02:09] | dekarl: | or paste it to a file, look if its ok to paste, then paste :) |
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[19:03:17] | peterbennett1: | dekarl: I get the error "Exception: Hardware data file not found. Please set the location HWDATA_DIR in config.py" |
[19:05:12] | dekarl: | peterbennett1: ok, that explains why its not working. though I have no idea what "location HWDATA_DIR" is |
[19:05:47] | peterbennett1: | There is a traceback also displayed |
[19:06:54] | peterbennett1: | dekarl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416990/ |
[19:11:37] | dekarl: | peterbennett1: its not finding pci.ids or pci.ids.gz expected in one of [ get_config_attr("HWDATA_DIR"), '/usr/share/hwdata','/usr/share/misc','/usr/share/' ] |
[19:12:06] | dekarl: | On Mythbuntu 14.04 its in /usr/share/hwdata |
[19:13:49] | peterbennett1: | I did a find, it does not exist under /usr |
[19:14:10] | peterbennett1: | Since raspberry pi is not PCI maybe that is not going to exist? |
[19:14:52] | peterbennett1: | there is /usr/share/misc/usb.ids |
[19:15:51] | peterbennett1: | That is just a list of all possible usb devices – that won't help |
[19:17:41] | dekarl: | the other is just a list of pci ids (nomen est omen) both are used to display human readable devices |
[19:18:02] | dekarl: | its in "pciutils", that is likely not installed |
[19:19:17] | peterbennett1: | Correct, it would not be needed. |
[19:19:34] | peterbennett1: | Shall I install it and try again? |
[19:20:11] | dekarl: | that would be great |
[19:23:33] | dekarl: | ps, while we're talking about the pi's missing pci bus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irq . . . +bug/1247107 |
[19:23:49] | peterbennett1: | ok /sendProfile.py works now, I will try the frontend to send it |
[19:25:49] | peterbennett1: | Successfully submitted the profile. |
[19:25:57] | dekarl: | \o/ |
[19:26:19] | dekarl: | http://smolt.mythtv.org/client/show/pub_4070d . . . cc1de9acbbf6 looks good |
[19:28:19] | peterbennett1: | Looks good, I don't know if it tells you much |
[19:28:30] | jheizer: | lol @ 2Port KVMSwicther and switcher being spelled wrong. |
[19:29:11] | peterbennett1: | I guess that comes from the usd.ids |
[19:29:17] | peterbennett1: | *usb |
[19:29:26] | jheizer: | yeah I'd assume |
[19:29:45] | peterbennett1: | I would be nice if it told the type of monitor or tv attached ? |
[19:30:28] | peterbennett1: | So – I should add pciutils as a dependency ? |
[19:30:52] | peterbennett1: | I think it would be nice if the script assumed an empty pci.ids if it is not found |
[19:31:12] | dekarl: | that would be nice for now, next up getting smolt to work without pciutils installed |
[19:31:15] | dekarl: | aye |
[19:32:30] | peterbennett1: | Actually I see it sends a lot more info than is on that page. it it all stored in smolt? |
[19:35:57] | dekarl: | likely, but I don't know (hi jams) http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html shows some more but its over all submissions |
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[20:12:03] | dekarl: | tgm4883: we also depend on usbutils |
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