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Friday, March 18th, 2016, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:34] dekarl: either way, concatenating strings together makes it impossible to move words around variables where the translation needs it
[00:00:53] dekarl: or rather reorder variables
[00:01:20] knightr: yes
[00:01:37] knightr: like I said even for LTR languages it's a PITA
[00:01:53] knightr: for RTL it's even worse...
[00:02:14] knightr: if you concatenate
[00:02:18] dekarl: and its a source of bugs, when you concat an integer to a string...
[00:02:27] knightr: "This is line 1"
[00:02:28] knightr: with
[00:02:32] knightr: "This is line 2"
[00:02:38] knightr: in LTR it gives
[00:02:48] knightr: "This is line 1 This is line 2"
[00:03:20] knightr: 1 enil si shiT
[00:03:26] knightr: and
[00:03:28] knightr: 2 enil si shiT
[00:03:38] knightr: should be rendered
[00:03:44] knightr: 2 enil si shiT 1 enil si shiT
[00:04:10] knightr: but I am pretty sure we would end up with
[00:04:17] knightr: 1 enil si shiT 2 enil si shiT
[00:05:47] knightr: anyway not enought thought is put into supporting other LTR languages so thinking about RTL is a pipe dream...
[00:05:56] dekarl: well, we do have some hebrew users at least, don't know about arabic/persian. not sure how active they are
[00:06:14] knightr: we lost the Hebrew translator ages ago..
[00:06:26] dekarl: I remember an old ticket wrt hebrew EIT
[00:06:39] knightr: I believe is now the president of a relatively big company from what I saw...
[00:07:02] knightr: have you ever tried putting your Firefox in Arabic
[00:07:15] dekarl: losing him explains the lack of contributions in that area
[00:07:15] knightr: I did for fun since I have colleagues which speak it...
[00:07:53] knightr: but Karl, we are not putting any effort into supporting RTL languages
[00:08:40] knightr: even if he didn't change jobs I am not sure if I was in his place if I would have continued translating when the support for my language is not even there...
[00:09:00] knightr: Firefox in Arabic has the whole screen rendered backwards...
[00:09:08] knightr: everything which should be on the left
[00:09:13] knightr: (button, etc...)
[00:09:16] knightr: is on the right...
[00:09:31] dekarl: so basically the layout is flipped?
[00:09:43] knightr: from what I could see, yes!
[00:09:54] knightr: I asked in the past if that could be doable at the theme level
[00:10:17] knightr: I was told that theorically it could but we didn't quite know if that was the only thing needed...
[00:10:48] dekarl: "a good idea, for later once we finished converting to mythui" ;)
[00:11:15] knightr: yah...
[00:12:21] dekarl: time to hit sack, see you later
[00:12:37] knightr: Goodnight, take care Karl!
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[05:05:50] letifosiferrari: Posting back regarding the question I asked yesterday (or the day before yesterday) [The question was regarding mythbackend not starting on Debian Jessie on Raspberry Pi after generating the .deb via the build-debs script]. The solution stuarta provided was what was needed (enabling the service in systemd). Interesting thing, the backend started properly after enabling the service but I faced an issue where the backend was run
[05:05:51] letifosiferrari: ning, but clients could not connect to it. It seems like quite a bit of people faced the same issue and it seemed to be because mythbackend was started before there was a viable network interface started. I was able to workaround this by going in raspi-config and enabling the RPi to not "start" until it is connected to the network. [Just sharing in case other people face the same issue on the RPi]
[05:06:10] letifosiferrari: Anyway, thank you for your help!
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[05:07:19] letifosiferrari: Looking forward to trying out the 0.28 version with frontend on RPi! [didn't get time to try it out just yet] Thank you for the awesome work all :-)
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[08:17:40] dekarl: is it just me or did not a single additional arm or fixes/0.28 instance appear in the smolt data? With all the traffic on the users list thats a surprise for me
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[09:21:34] stuarta: dekarl: there is some arm data there, just look at the cpus
[09:22:01] stuarta: what we don't have visible from that smolt data, is trending information
[09:25:53] stuarta: i'm pretty sure the raw data is there, just there is no way of visualizing it.
[09:26:15] ** stuarta puts that down as a feature request for smolt2 **
[09:45:44] stuarta: hah, it's damn simple to integrate buildbot with github webhooks
[09:50:30] stuarta: think i'll switch to those when migrating buildmaster to mizar
[10:15:15] stuarta: hrm, i've been migrating stuff off alcor longer than i thought, my initial checkin to the ansible playbooks was 2nd July 2014
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[15:10:14] dekarl: stuarta, ha! arm on smolt raised from 6 (been 6 for some time now) to 10... ty whoever that was
[15:10:49] dekarl: and 63x fixes/0.28 much better
[15:10:56] jams_: dekarl, if you look in the upper right of the page it has a timestamp
[15:11:08] jams_: thats the time of the last refresh of the data
[15:11:26] dekarl: jams_: did I miss that it was stuck?
[15:11:28] jams_: before today the last refresh was Jan 13th
[15:11:43] jams_: permission problem on a log file prevented it from completeing refresh
[15:11:43] dekarl: doh
[15:12:22] dekarl: so its ty jams_ ? ;)
[15:14:44] jams_: yep
[15:22:40] stuarta: jams_: which log file?
[15:22:58] stuarta: there was a permissions problem stopping it from starting the other day, which i fixed
[15:24:09] jams_: smoon/server.log was owned by root
[15:24:25] jams_: it should be owned by smoon, or at least writable by smoon
[15:24:36] stuarta: kk
[15:26:03] jams_: for reference the process that updates the webpages is a cron job under the smoon id
[15:27:52] stuarta: that i knew. i thought the server log was just for request logs
[15:27:58] stuarta: pile of poo
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[15:56:26] dekarl: sphery, so should we remove "Master Backend Override" after the release?
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[17:54:29] peterbennett1: Re SMOLT – I just tried to submit my profile for raspberry Pi v0.28 and it says "Encountered a problem while submitting your profile" – this happens every time – maybe that is why you do not have much data?
[18:02:17] dekarl: can you paste the profile somewhere? sounds like it might be http error 500 due to surprising contents
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[18:26:56] peterbennett1: dekarl: How do I paste teh profile?
[18:27:02] peterbennett1: *the
[18:29:29] peterbennett1: dekarl: What I mean is, how do I get it for pasting?
[18:59:44] dekarl: half a fix for "s.p.e.c.t.r.e." http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416927/
[18:59:53] dekarl: peterbennett1: let me take a look
[19:00:12] peterbennett1: OK
[19:01:31] dekarl: e.g.: /usr/share/mythtv/hardwareprofile/sendProfile.py --printOnly | pastebinit
[19:02:09] dekarl: or paste it to a file, look if its ok to paste, then paste :)
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[19:03:17] peterbennett1: dekarl: I get the error "Exception: Hardware data file not found. Please set the location HWDATA_DIR in config.py"
[19:05:12] dekarl: peterbennett1: ok, that explains why its not working. though I have no idea what "location HWDATA_DIR" is
[19:05:47] peterbennett1: There is a traceback also displayed
[19:06:54] peterbennett1: dekarl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416990/
[19:11:37] dekarl: peterbennett1: its not finding pci.ids or pci.ids.gz expected in one of [ get_config_attr("HWDATA_DIR"), '/usr/share/hwdata','/usr/share/misc','/usr/share/' ]
[19:12:06] dekarl: On Mythbuntu 14.04 its in /usr/share/hwdata
[19:13:49] peterbennett1: I did a find, it does not exist under /usr
[19:14:10] peterbennett1: Since raspberry pi is not PCI maybe that is not going to exist?
[19:14:52] peterbennett1: there is /usr/share/misc/usb.ids
[19:15:51] peterbennett1: That is just a list of all possible usb devices – that won't help
[19:17:41] dekarl: the other is just a list of pci ids (nomen est omen) both are used to display human readable devices
[19:18:02] dekarl: its in "pciutils", that is likely not installed
[19:19:17] peterbennett1: Correct, it would not be needed.
[19:19:34] peterbennett1: Shall I install it and try again?
[19:20:11] dekarl: that would be great
[19:23:33] dekarl: ps, while we're talking about the pi's missing pci bus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irq . . . +bug/1247107
[19:23:49] peterbennett1: ok /sendProfile.py works now, I will try the frontend to send it
[19:25:49] peterbennett1: Successfully submitted the profile.
[19:25:57] dekarl: \o/
[19:26:19] dekarl: http://smolt.mythtv.org/client/show/pub_4070d . . . cc1de9acbbf6 looks good
[19:28:19] peterbennett1: Looks good, I don't know if it tells you much
[19:28:30] jheizer: lol @ 2Port KVMSwicther and switcher being spelled wrong.
[19:29:11] peterbennett1: I guess that comes from the usd.ids
[19:29:17] peterbennett1: *usb
[19:29:26] jheizer: yeah I'd assume
[19:29:45] peterbennett1: I would be nice if it told the type of monitor or tv attached ?
[19:30:28] peterbennett1: So – I should add pciutils as a dependency ?
[19:30:52] peterbennett1: I think it would be nice if the script assumed an empty pci.ids if it is not found
[19:31:12] dekarl: that would be nice for now, next up getting smolt to work without pciutils installed
[19:31:15] dekarl: aye
[19:32:30] peterbennett1: Actually I see it sends a lot more info than is on that page. it it all stored in smolt?
[19:35:57] dekarl: likely, but I don't know (hi jams) http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html shows some more but its over all submissions
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[20:12:03] dekarl: tgm4883: we also depend on usbutils
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