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[01:38:59] gary_buhrmaster: jya: btw, sorry for the wild goose chase regarding 32-bit.
[01:39:26] jya: gary_buhrmaster: it could have been that , and I had never tested 32 bits anyway :)
[01:39:53] jya: i still think it's an issue in ffmpeg, because they always handle "," has a separator
[01:40:08] jya: but when generating a number later they use "," in place of a .
[01:40:11] jya: gotta got
[01:40:13] jya: go
[01:40:39] gary_buhrmaster: Well, you could submit an upstream bug....
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[06:11:08] maarhart: hi, mythmetadatalookup is running ttvdb and tmdb3 searches in english. How can I make it run in finnish? It is not a locale issue, as everything is set to FI
[06:31:32] maarhart: okay, the issue was that mythfrontend was in english. We should be able to use mythfrontend in english and run mythmetadatalookup in any other language. feature request!
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[08:41:11] jya: How does the aspect ratio value set in MythFrame works? I have a 1920x1088 frame here, yet the aspect ratio is 16/9. The dimensions are already 16/9. Aspect ratio is supposed to indicate the aspect of a pixel. So here it should be 1!
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[09:43:58] enyc: I'm reminded of the confusing mess called "points" in typesetting or so
[09:47:47] jya: looks the aspect here is purely to indicate the entire aspect of the frame, regardless of its dimensions.
[09:48:11] jya: it's used to check if something has changed like when an ad comes in.
[09:48:32] jya: and the size of the video output is always full screen per that aspect
[09:48:41] jya: so slightly different to what i'm used to
[10:10:56] dekarl: There is a list of AspectRatio values that goes 4:3, 16:9, "square pixels"
[10:16:56] dekarl: maybe its derived from that? e.g. MPEG-2 Aspect Ratio Square, 4:3, 16:9, 2.21:1 -> http://stnsoft.com/DVD/mpeghdrs.html
[10:20:05] dekarl: doh, the the question was about the opposite case... getting 16:9 when 1:1 is expected :/
[10:20:38] dekarl: looks like aspect contains the display aspect
[10:22:54] stuartm: jya: there is the DAR and the PAR – display aspect ratio, the frame ratio and the pixel aspect ratio
[10:23:35] stuartm: not that I have any idea what mythframe is doing, but I would assume it's using the DAR?
[10:23:45] jya: stuartm: the VideoFrame has "ratio" member, that's it
[10:24:02] jya: well, it's not the "DAR"
[10:24:13] jya: how do you display a 1920x1080 in 16:9 ?
[10:25:37] stuartm: hmm
[10:25:53] jya: 1920x1080 is 16:9 already, that's the frame ratio. if the ratio is say 1.33, then it's display as 2553x1080
[10:26:41] jya: that's how I've always seen PAR being defined. That's how it's defined for h264 in the SPS, in VP9 etc
[10:27:08] stuartm: right, PAR should be 1:1 for 1920x1080 in 16:9
[10:27:18] jya: exactly
[10:27:55] jya: I'm just surprised it's display properly, because that information isn't stored into our VideoFrame object
[10:27:57] stuartm: I don't have any experience with MythFrame or the video rendering side so I've no idea what it's supposed to be doing – I'm surprised it's not storing both dar/par from the mpeg headers even if it didn't use both
[10:28:30] jya: the AVFrame object contains that information out of the ffmpeg decoder
[10:29:04] jya: when we just copy the content into a VideoFrame to pass to videooutput, i dont' see that being transferred anywhere
[10:30:49] jya: maybe the width/height is adjusted
[10:31:00] stuartm: value in MythFrame could be a composite of DAR/PAR (16:9 / 1:1) representing the ratios to be used for scaling/stretching, what happens to that value when you play it back on a 4:3 screen/resolution?
[10:31:34] stuartm: hmm, nevermind, that's not going to be the case here
[10:32:12] stuartm: I should look at the code before speculating
[10:32:47] jya: i'm searching the code to see how that stuff could ever work
[10:33:24] jya: i have some videos somewhere that are 1440x1080 supposed to be display as 1920x1080
[10:37:14] dekarl: isn't that (1440:1080 anamoprh 16:9) common in DVB-T and other bandwidth constrained situations?
[10:38:29] dekarl: not sure how common frame compatible 3D/stereo is. basically 1920:1080 side-by-side with the active 2D frame being signalled as "960:1080 at 0x0" but the standards suggests its out there
[10:40:13] jya: dekarl: nah in that video, the PAR was definitely not 1
[10:40:21] jya: can't find it now
[10:41:06] stuartm: fwiw, anamorphic video does work – I still have plenty of 1440x1080 recordings, although for the past few years they transitioned to 1920x1080 with codec improvements
[10:41:33] stuartm: and DVB-S2/T2
[10:45:41] dekarl: AVFormatDecoder suggests that "our aspect" refers to the frame/display aspect ratio
[10:46:26] jya: so here I have a 720x576, aspect is 16:9
[10:46:43] jya: well, 1.777 that is
[10:47:13] jya: the PAR would be 1.4222
[10:47:59] jya: now that makes sense I guess.
[10:48:10] jya: but 1920x1080 with aspect being 16:9 doesnt
[10:49:10] jya: so i wonder if I should add a new member to VideoFrame for the PAR, or just calculate it from the "aspect" and dimensions
[10:50:21] jya: so should I just something like PAR = width / height / aspect?
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[10:55:50] jya: right, that gives me for a 720x576 frame a screen capture that is 720x405, now that has a aspect ratio of 16:9
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[10:58:47] dekarl: hmm, any UK dev in contact with Raspberry to add the 64bit raspberry to our builders in time for the Ubuntu release? https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comment . . . 64bit_12ghz/
[10:59:25] jya: dekarl: I ordered a Pine A64, should be shipping in March
[10:59:47] jya: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/p . . . super-comput
[10:59:56] dekarl: jya, uhh SD aspect ratios are icky
[11:01:39] dekarl: basically everyone has them wrong in a different way, even/especially professionals :(
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[11:03:04] dekarl: random link with some variants http://www.sciencemedianetwork.org/wiki/Tutor . . . Aspect_Ratio
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[11:08:14] Roklobotomy: jya: oh that board looks interesting.
[11:09:43] jya: i ordered a IR receive + remote and a zigbee interface + wifi
[11:09:53] jya: all up $43 with shipping
[11:10:17] Roklobotomy: i think i will have to order one for sdr stuff
[11:10:33] Roklobotomy: how o they make it so cheap?
[11:12:46] jya: dekarl: 64/45 is what my calculation get (aspect / (width576)
[11:12:53] jya: aspect / (width/height)
[11:15:34] stuartm: dekarl: not sure they'll have samples to ship in time – they aren't even officially confirming it's existence yet (that will no doubt happen when the MAgazine actually ships)
[11:15:45] stuartm: I've not receive my copy of that issue yet as as subscriber
[11:16:05] jya: Roklobotomy: it's a kickstarter stuff
[11:16:06] stuartm: (subscribed just to get one of the Pi Zeros)
[11:16:13] jya: the always start rather cheap
[11:23:53] dekarl: jya, was the aspect value correct in the first place? your values match the 'anamorphic PAL NLE' values, but the video might as well be anamorphic ITU. I'm not sure if the signalling allows to signal that (e.g. in MPEG-2).. So we can use whatever is pleasing to the eye / reproduces circles as actual circles on screen
[11:24:27] jya: dekarl: this gets me back to the PAR has found in the original AVFrame
[11:24:30] jya: 64/45
[11:25:03] jya: the VideoFrame has a width=720 height=576 and "aspect" = 16:9
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[11:26:08] jya: the image generated by mythpreviewgen is 720x405
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[11:33:49] dekarl: sounds good
[11:41:56] Roklobotomy: jya: just ordered one coming in may, alas. do you plan to put myth on it or just play?
[11:42:11] jya: myth
[11:42:19] jya: well, if i got the time
[11:43:23] Roklobotomy: in two years it'll be in the bin. you know the rules.
[11:47:47] jya: in mythmusic the playback position doesn't appear to progress, nor is the progress bar moving
[11:47:58] jya: (tried mythbuntu and steppes themes)
[11:49:31] jya: when i start a new song in the playlist, the current position is of the start of the song in the entire duration of that current list
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[12:17:56] stuartm: jya: playback position is working here
[12:18:17] jya: stuartm: it's moving forward regularly?
[12:18:26] jya: maybe something unique to mac then...
[12:18:32] jya: an event not sent or something
[12:18:47] stuartm: yes, this is in the playback view, in the editor the position reflects the total playlist
[12:19:07] jya: ah there's different view?
[12:19:11] jya: maybe that's why
[12:19:23] stuartm: I think themes can display either or both in each view ... I'll try with mythbuntu/steppes
[12:20:53] stuartm: default view on mythmusic will always be the playback view (or whatever we're calling it), editor has it's own menu entry or is toggled from context menu
[12:21:37] jya: nah, progress bar doesn't move here
[12:21:45] stuartm: but the menu's in Steppes/MythBuntu might do something different to normal – until I try them I really don't know :)
[12:21:51] jya: steppes doesnt show the positon in text
[12:21:58] jya: there's just a progress bar
[12:22:10] jya: and mythbuntu stays at 0:0
[12:22:21] jya: which theme are you using?
[12:22:34] stuartm: ok, progress is triggered by events so you may be right about it being a mac specific bug – if that's the case, I wonder which other events may not be working
[12:22:56] stuartm: custom theme – something I started working on a couple of years ago and never actually finished
[12:23:32] stuartm: have to run to the hardware store, back later
[12:24:23] jya: progress works for normal video playback
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[15:24:48] Hydr0p0nX: anyone running Myth @ 4k ?
[15:25:42] Hydr0p0nX: just wondering if there's anything I should beware before making the jump, already making sure full color @ 60hz is doable
[15:52:08] stuartm: not yet, although the main tv is 4K I still have myth at 1920x1080 right now since all the content is HD and the TV does a better job at upscaling
[15:53:12] stuartm: probably won't switch to 4K with Myth until 4k blu-rays become available and playback support is available
[16:22:00] tgm4883: Tobbe5178: you around?
[16:22:08] Tobbe5178: tgm4883: yes
[16:22:22] tgm4883: Very very early http://i.imgur.com/8PtujXG.jpg
[16:22:45] tgm4883: That's what I was talking about being a very large change to what I was planning on doing
[16:22:55] Tobbe5178: i see
[16:22:55] tgm4883: although, I'm not 100% sure I can do that in mythfrontend
[16:23:00] Tobbe5178: looks good
[16:23:15] Tobbe5178: but not so sure you can do recently added, recomended and so on
[16:23:24] Tobbe5178: but on the other hand i'm not theming expert
[16:23:34] tgm4883: yea I don't think so either, I wonder who I could ask about that
[16:23:42] tgm4883: jpabq: maybe?
[16:24:16] Tobbe5178: the general layout of the watch recording screen is just fine
[16:24:25] Tobbe5178: i think most themes use the same style
[16:24:36] tgm4883: Yea I'd be keeping that fairly similiar
[16:24:42] Tobbe5178: room for the cover arts and so on
[16:24:52] tgm4883: But I'd like to have some jumping off points from the main menu
[16:25:23] tgm4883: dekarl1: didn't you say I should ask someone about the stuff I wanted to do in mythfrontend?
[16:25:27] ** tgm4883 tries to remember who **
[16:26:35] tgm4883: Tobbe5178: If I can't do it in mythfrontend, I'm not sure I'll be doing a mythfrontend theme :/
[16:33:40] Hydr0p0nX: tgm4883, I'm going to buy a 4k tv in the next couple of hours
[16:33:52] tgm4883: Hydr0p0nX: nice
[16:34:03] tgm4883: I've looked at them, but I don't need another TV yet
[16:34:08] Hydr0p0nX: since the gtx960s are <200 I figured I'd pick one up and upgrade it while I'm at it
[16:35:48] Hydr0p0nX: my 1080 is still working ok, but it's at least 7 yrs old my sister will take it and i'll take an upgrade :)
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[16:49:00] dekarl: tgm4883: I think so. But who? doing stuff like "recordings/videos that you started to play but did not finish" needs some code methinks. (the automatic bookmarks)
[16:49:36] tgm4883: dekarl: Yea I don't know who to ask about this. http://imgur.com/a/xCXmL is what I'm shooting for
[16:50:46] ** tgm4883 wonders if animations work better now **
[16:51:39] tgm4883: dekarl: If it's a large code change, I'm not sure if it's worth it
[17:23:21] Tobbe5178: my little pebble app is working realy well now
[17:24:11] tgm4883: ok, I think I've figured out how to make an album now on imgur http://imgur.com/a/gvohM
[17:56:15] dekarl: tgm4883: reminds me that we still miss a grabber to pull banners from fanart.tv :( but ENOPYTHONSKILL
[17:57:39] tgm4883: dekarl: why fanart.TV and not thetvdb
[18:10:32] dekarl: tgm4883: a) quality of images, b) has banners for movies/movie collections from themoviedb, too. aka it supplements both our main sources
[18:11:13] dekarl: it also has better posters then themoviedb in terms of quality / a common size
[18:12:11] dekarl: and IIRC its safe for work
[18:14:37] dekarl: also connecting to their community helps us once we get the channel database off the ground... they are looking for a data master to attach high quality tv logos to
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