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Friday, February 26th, 2016, 00:19 UTC

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gigem:

jya: I've no problems either.

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gigem:

jpabq: It seems my first attempt at sharing dvb file descriptors was only partially successful. It did share the descriptors, but myth still wasn't happy with it. I think it might have to do with the device being put into some kind of low power mode when not in use.

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gigem:

jpabq: BTW, I apologize for not getting back to you yet regarding your StartRecording patch. I'll try to do that soon.

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stuarta:

jya: i didn't think february had 36 days ?? +git://source.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.git at n3.0-3-gb80083a on February 36th, 2016 (jya) (release/3.0 branch, release 3.0)

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stuartm:

it does in a leap millennium

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stuarta:

hahaha

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stuarta:

interesting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/16/khron . . . ecification/

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enyc:

stuarta: is this going to do anything about the controversies/annoyances over binary drivers in the kernel/CPU level fun, as opposed to putting those blobs in gpu firmware etc.?

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stuarta:

probably make it worse

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enyc:

the fragmentation of GPUs/drivers in the ARM world is even more crazy...

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jmcentee:

um, https://xkcd.com/927/ comes to mind

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jya:

stuartm: ah :)

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stuartm:

stuarta: Vulkan is not for the feint of heart, it's not a replacement for OpenGL but instead an API for those who need low level access to the GPU for CPU bound

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stuartm:

applications

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stuarta:

stuartm: that's what I figured by reading about it. i'm not going to delve into it. i have enough trouble with opengl

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stuartm:

really only aimed at Games developers right now

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stuarta:

well they were on the spec committee to ensure they got what they needed

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stuartm:

may bring performance improvements to a few games on linux, but only if developers use it properly and their games weren't already maxing out the GPU

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stuarta:

the key point, is the game *engine* developers will use it

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stuartm:

still, hopes are high that it puts a dent in DX12 and we see more cross-platform games :)

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stuartm:

right, if the engine developers use it then the benefits will trickle down into many games without individual studios having to lift a finger

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stuarta:

aye

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jya:

I've been reading opensuse web site for the past 20 minutes, I still can't get me head around leap (version 42) 13.2, factory and tumbleweed

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jya:

when none of the mirror offers anything but leap or 13.x

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jmcentee:

If it really takes of I can see a OpenGL implementation of Vulkan to add the transisition to it.

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jya:

and at best i get < 100kB/s for "tumbleweed"

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jya:

if they wanted to confuse people voluntarily, they have certainly succeeded.

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jya:

and many links on their web site resolve to a 404 page.

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stuarta:

it's just plain odd what that person is seeing

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jya:

stuarta: it is indeed.

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jya:

it's like the library is corrupted in some way

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jya:

but i can't rule out yet that it's not a more serious error

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jya:

once this stuff is either fixed or ruled out, what would be the best way to uplift the last fixes in master?

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jya:

what about just merging master into fixes/0.28 ? seeing so far it's only been fixes

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stuarta:

simple git merge, i've not seen anything committed that can't go in

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stuartm:

did we check which libav it's linking, it's not doing something stupid like linking the installed libav instead of libmythav?

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jya:

and of course, on the opensuse mirror, be it stable, release or factory, folders always contains jsut leap 42.1 DVD

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jya:

stuartm: https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12666#comment:26

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jya:

can't see anything wrong there

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jmcentee:

jya: as far as I can work out Tumbleweed = Factory = development. Like debian calls testing = new_release_name and Leap is the stabel release like debian stable

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jya:

now, if only i could find a tumbleweed/factory/development iso

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jmcentee:

I guess you have to install stable for a ISO and upgrade to testing = tumbleweed = factory

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jya:

that isn't located in europe or china

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jya:

ah so it's possible to change over?

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jya:

i've downloaded leap 42.1

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stuarta:

i would be very surprised if that was not possible

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jmcentee:

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_installation

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jmcentee:

as page says you can download tumblewedd from http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/

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jya:

jmcentee: yeah, that link download at 54kB/s here, and I "only" 26 hours to go

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jya:

desktop is very nice. minimalistic, yet looks good

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jya:

well, can't see where to upgrade from leap to tumbleweed ... grmmmbbll

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jya:

love the https://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_formats and the "one click to install patented / restricted / proprietary software on opensuse which leads you there https://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_formats

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jya:

there's over 200 things to click on there

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Roklobotomy:

so what do you get if you use purely nonrestricited stuff? not much i'd say

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jya:

Roklobotomy: the funny thing i found was that the ffmpeg they ship has all patent encumbered codecs disabled

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jya:

but they compiled it with vdpau and vaapi h264 support

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jya:

which always enable the software h264 decoder

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Roklobotomy:

left hand vs right hand

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jya:

so their ffmpeg ships with the h264 decoder, but it doesn't have aac or mp3 (that had caused a bug in firefox, cause we were only testing for h264 codec, and had assumed that if you have h264 you'll have other codecs

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Roklobotomy:

what's the go with ffpmeg3 and mozilla and myth?

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Roklobotomy:

just when the dust setttled for you...

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jya:

in what way?

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Roklobotomy:

back to the grindstone to incorporate it into both programs?

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jya:

mozilla will support ffmpeg if it's found installed. but will never suggest or recommend that you install it

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Roklobotomy:

i use mint so it's always there. well, if i install the ppa.

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jya:

gstreamer was until FF 43 the only way to get video decoding in firefox on linux

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jya:

the silly thing is that the only aac / h264 really available in gstreamer is ffmpeg

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jya:

so even when going through gstreamer, indirectly you used ffmpeg

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jya:

but it's super buggy, #1 cause of crashes for us on linux

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 **

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Roklobotomy:

Is there any other game in town?

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jya:

in particular the vaapi gstreamer plugin

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jya:

crashes all the time

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jya:

and the free mp3 fluendo plugin was so buggy that we blacklisted it

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jya:

which was the only official way to get mp3 legally

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jya:

and in myth, well, we have ffmpeg 3.0 built in now

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jya:

FF 45 will support ffmpeg 3.0 (more accurately, libavcodec.57)

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Roklobotomy:

I wonder what effect the TTP will have on all this open source infringement.

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jya:

TTP?

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Roklobotomy:

trans pacific parnership.

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jya:

there's no infringement on mozilla part

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Roklobotomy:

i mean for ffmpeg

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jya:

that's why it took so long to get ffmpeg supported

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jya:

there was code to support ffmpeg in mozilla well before i joined in july 2014

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Roklobotomy:

Will Bellard end up in hard labour?

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jya:

i don't think he has much to do with the project anymore

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Roklobotomy:

He's too busy making LTE-base-stations-in-a-small-box these days.

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jya:

right... so what is the equivalent of apt build-dep mythtv on suse. ...

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Roklobotomy:

stuarta: did you get your CEC test code ready?

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stuarta:

Roklobotomy: not even looked at it

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stuarta:

Roklobotomy: gary_buhrmaster did some testing already, and he hasn't found anything yet

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Roklobotomy:

okidoki

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Roklobotomy:

do you have a preference for a libcec version?

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stuarta:

iirc there are 2 versions talked about in the original report 3.0.1 and 3.1

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Roklobotomy:

i have 2.1.4

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stuarta:

test framework certainly needs writing

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** stuarta goes in search of some lunch **

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jya:

what is "QDomDocument" ? getting a compilation error here, and wondering which package to install

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jya:

qt5xml

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** jya note that configure should check on those **

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jmcentee:

jya: why are you trying to use OpenSUSE? I gave up on it in the early days of YAST.

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stuarta:

jmcentee: #12666

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12666 **

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jmcentee:

speaking of preview and mythweb in my case. I have an always on master (fake tuner) and slave backend that botos when needed. al recordings stored on another file server. To get mythtvweb to create previews I have to alter sql to change the hsot the recordings where made on to master.

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jmcentee:

is this a know bug/feature.

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stuarta:

someone made a patch for mythweb to relay requests to the relevant backend

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superm1:

gary_buhrmaster: stuarta: i think that problem isn't two different versions of libcec, but i noticed that libcec isn't actually linked with libmythui

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superm1:

simply adding LIBS+= -lcec wasn't enough to get it to link either

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superm1:

so because it's not linked, there is no explicit dependency upon it being installed or used

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jmcentee:

stuarta: relaying requests to my slave backend will not work for me as it is generally off. May give 0.28 internal web server a try soon.

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jmcentee:

and fix it if I can there.

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jya:

the one nice thing I like about working on mythtv is how quickly that project compiles compare to building gecko

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jya:

ok found it... it's . vs ,

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jya:

it's %f in the sprintf that create a number as 1,777778

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jya:

stuarta: so it turned out ffmpeg calculate the rational ratio from the float value

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jya:

but it scan the string using sscanf which depends on the locale set

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jya:

right... got that sorted.. time for bed (3AM here) can't believe it took me so long.. good night everyone...

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maarhart:

mythmetadatalookup is running the search in english... how can I cange it to finnish? My locale is in finnish

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