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| [04:38:24] | AussieFel: | hey .. i have a avermedia tv volar (USB TV Card). On the LinuxTV site it says that it's compatible with linux "out of the box" what does that mean exactly?> |
| [04:38:54] | AussieFel: | will it work with a linux app "TVTime"? |
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| [08:42:05] | dekarl: | AussieFel: try #tvtime? http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html also http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/cards.html hints that this software is mainly for analogue tv |
| [08:52:39] | AussieFel: | i've looked at it thanks dekarl |
| [08:52:54] | AussieFel: | my card isnt supported |
| [08:53:13] | AussieFel: | im thinking of buying a new card |
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| [08:55:22] | AussieFel: | i'm wondering.. when they say "standard definition only" does that mean analouge signal? |
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| [21:43:15] | gigem: | Does anyone have a diseqc card and be willing to help debug #12499? I need to working on it again and I actually have a little time to do so this week. |
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| [21:52:59] | knightr: | dekarl, please warn me when you want to do something like that... |
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| [22:05:59] | dekarl: | knightr: sorry. I didn't think about that. I can revert it if its more trouble then its worth at the moment. |
| [22:06:35] | knightr: | dekarl, nah, no need but please ping me before doing something like this... |
| [22:07:04] | knightr: | and by the way, as I suspected it only does the job partially |
| [22:07:19] | knightr: | please look at a message I posted later in that thread... |
| [22:07:32] | knightr: | a lot of dev was done in HTML files not qsp files |
| [22:07:40] | knightr: | this only extract qsp... |
| [22:07:53] | dekarl: | meh... will have to do it again.. qsTr("720p (WiFi)") ends up as HtmlUI::tr("720p (WiFi"), missing the trailing closing brace |
| [22:08:12] | dekarl: | or rather... will have to fix the other script, too |
| [22:08:24] | knightr: | then revert it please... |
| [22:09:14] | knightr: | I think it was Daniel who suggested to rename those HTML to qsp |
| [22:09:28] | knightr: | (HTML should be static stuff...) |
| [22:09:42] | knightr: | so that they would end up being translatable... |
| [22:10:24] | knightr: | I don't know if only a rename was needed (if it's anything like php/asp/jsp etc... my guess is more work is needed..) |
| [22:10:30] | knightr: | or more... |
| [22:11:06] | knightr: | the navigation would end up being broken by a simple rename that's for sure... |
| [22:11:23] | dekarl: | hmm, there is no call to qsTr in any file not called *.qsp |
| [22:12:04] | dekarl: | If I understand it correctly then this is new style web stuff with is no static html at all. |
| [22:12:41] | knightr: | it is unfortunately |
| [22:12:51] | knightr: | so qstr calls would have to be added as well... |
| [22:12:54] | dekarl: | but I don't know enough about that new stuff |
| [22:12:56] | knightr: | you are right... |
| [22:13:09] | knightr: | me neither |
| [22:13:29] | knightr: | I could dig it up but it would be best if someone who knows it actually did it... |
| [22:14:11] | knightr: | (I have not used those pages in ages, I would not even know if something is wrong...) |
| [22:16:36] | dekarl: | they are working ok and already translated a bit (I get a mix of german and english. likely whatever made it into fixes/0.27 is translated with all the new stuff being untranslated as of now) |
| [22:17:20] | knightr: | except the HTML stuff |
| [22:17:30] | dekarl: | what html stuff? |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | This is what Chris P had said about it |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | Yes, where 'converting' is just "mv index.html index.qsp" at the expense of |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | a bit more backend CPU time when we serve that page. But, if we already have |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | to scan .html for the i18n tags to translate files, we would already be |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | incurring some expense by processing the file anyway, so it might just be |
| [22:17:36] | knightr: | better to just rename all applicable .html to .qsp. |
| [22:19:03] | knightr: | Unless this is dead "code" see for example |
| [22:19:06] | knightr: | mythtv/html/misc |
| [22:19:06] | dekarl: | doh |
| [22:19:12] | knightr: | in a copy of the repo |
| [22:19:20] | knightr: | and I am sure there are other places... |
| [22:19:24] | dekarl: | I see there are still html files. I thought they'd all be converted by now. |
| [22:19:32] | knightr: | nope... |
| [22:20:05] | knightr: | the html files continued to evolve |
| [22:20:12] | knightr: | even recently |
| [22:20:26] | knightr: | but no effort was made to convert them to qsp... |
| [22:20:33] | dekarl: | someone should make them translatable... |
| [22:20:53] | knightr: | if they are converted to qsp |
| [22:20:58] | knightr: | I can do it |
| [22:21:18] | knightr: | but I don't want to piss off someone by starting to do that behind his back... |
| [22:21:36] | knightr: | and I am not sure what is involved besides adding qstr tags... |
| [22:21:50] | knightr: | sounds to me like more than what Chris P said.... |
| [22:22:00] | knightr: | and honestly with the little time we have |
| [22:22:14] | dekarl: | rename them to qsp, fix all references to them, add the qsTr tags. test test test |
| [22:22:14] | knightr: | I am not sure it is such a good idea to make them translatable right now... |
| [22:22:34] | knightr: | because I will add more work for the translators to do |
| [22:22:41] | knightr: | in a very short period of time.. |
| [22:23:34] | dekarl: | If I understand it correctly, then we are trying to not add/modify strings after a given point. But adding/improving translations of existing strings can happen a bit later if it need be? |
| [22:24:08] | knightr: | yes |
| [22:24:11] | knightr: | but in master |
| [22:24:15] | knightr: | once we branch out... |
| [22:24:20] | dekarl: | btw, I was under the impression that the settings rewrite was besically done and just needed testing to be committed. having something like a forms language for them does make sense in the longer run though |
| [22:24:40] | knightr: | I think so |
| [22:24:49] | knightr: | but some people wanted to get rid of the old settings |
| [22:24:58] | knightr: | to replace them with the web ones... |
| [22:25:09] | knightr: | personally I would keep both |
| [22:25:27] | knightr: | but feed ourselves from the same (XML) file... |
| [22:25:27] | dekarl: | ahh, thats a cool thing for later. (unwritten feature as of now) |
| [22:26:01] | knightr: | and I am pretty sure the settings page rewrite |
| [22:26:05] | knightr: | probably got bit rot |
| [22:26:13] | knightr: | but maybe we will be lucky... |
| [22:26:29] | knightr: | thing is |
| [22:26:50] | dekarl: | been reading up on what others do with their forms. http://www.eclipse.org/ecp/emfforms/ I think we can have both the WebFrontend and the Fronted present forms from the same description |
| [22:26:50] | knightr: | I am a little bit afraid of that commit because unless the person who did it was very careful |
| [22:27:03] | knightr: | it will have a lot of impact translation wise... |
| [22:27:21] | knightr: | hopefully translators will only have to reconfirm their translations, at least I hope so... |
| [22:27:32] | dekarl: | hmm, shouldn't the strings be more or less the same? (for the settings rewrite) |
| [22:27:35] | knightr: | but it's not such a great thing to do when we are short on time... |
| [22:27:40] | knightr: | yes |
| [22:27:53] | knightr: | but the translation "context" will surely have changed |
| [22:28:05] | knightr: | which means they will be considered as new strings |
| [22:28:25] | knightr: | the tool we use will probably copy them from one place to the other |
| [22:28:42] | knightr: | but they are going to have to reconfirm all of those translations... |
| [22:29:00] | knightr: | but if we really have to do it so be it... |
| [22:29:05] | dekarl: | ahh, "translation context" being "the class the string is in" => yes I think the context changes with the rewrite |
| [22:29:10] | knightr: | yes... |
| [22:29:20] | knightr: | that's what it is usually |
| [22:29:36] | knightr: | sometimes I "cheat" and change it but by default it's the class name... |
| [22:30:18] | knightr: | what exactly is gained by switching to MythUI? |
| [22:30:25] | knightr: | compared to the old UI stuff? |
| [22:31:50] | dekarl: | good question. It works properly with both renderers? Does not have rendering glitches (I noticed that every single glyph has its top rows cut off in the old ones) |
| [22:32:50] | dekarl: | I can only recite from https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI :/ |
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| [22:34:07] | dekarl: | stuff like having to run setup with the QT painter but actual use with the OpenGL painter https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Android . . . _the_Options |
| [22:35:02] | knightr: | so if someone was willing to do what I suggested would it be worth it to convert those pages to MythUI? |
| [22:35:37] | knightr: | unless I had a loooooooot of spare time and someone had a loooooooot of patience it could not be me |
| [22:36:21] | knightr: | I had never done any C++ before MythTV and what I did in it is fairly limited... |
| [22:37:01] | dekarl: | hmm, been some time since the last update to https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/devel/mythui/settings |
| [22:37:49] | knightr: | but hopefully nobody changed the setting pages on master recently |
| [22:38:00] | knightr: | so maybe it's not that far from master... |
| [22:38:45] | knightr: | but is it worth it merging this |
| [22:39:12] | knightr: | if we stay with two very different setting pages implemented in very different ways |
| [22:39:19] | knightr: | we are shooting ourselves in the foot... |
| [22:39:46] | knightr: | we are bound to forget to update one to match the other... |
| [22:40:08] | dekarl: | yes, that is what we have been doing for some time now |
| [22:43:08] | knightr: | unfortunately... |
| [22:45:18] | knightr: | I wonder how much effort it is to redo those settings pages in MythUI but dynamically by parsing that (XML) file... |
| [22:47:27] | knightr: | I realllllllllly wish I could do it but it would take me ages to do it... |
| [22:48:34] | knightr: | but it sounds to me like someone who really knows this stuff could have a POC implemented in not that much time... |
| [22:50:03] | knightr: | we are talking about parsing a file, identifying the different type of settings (checkbox, dropdown, etc...) and rendering it on the screen |
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| [22:50:34] | knightr: | when we see we cannot add anymore output on the screen, we paginate... |
| [22:51:42] | knightr: | of course we have to deal with the different settings categories too but I am pretty sure Chris/Daniel/Robert made sure there was an easy way to identify those.. |
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| [23:02:11] | dekarl: | knightr: found the place where the string extraction was broken. I can put that into a ticket for review if you like |
| [23:03:58] | knightr: | if you are sure about your fix, go ahead and do it (ie commit it) |
| [23:04:30] | knightr: | as for the previous commit I am not sure if you should regenerate it or revert it for now until we know for sure what we do for those HTML files... |
| [23:04:37] | dekarl: | I have verified the diff is just a change in the broken strings |
| [23:05:01] | dekarl: | I have reverted the changes to the actual file already |
| [23:05:29] | dekarl: | Ok, I'll push the changes to the string extractor and leave the changes to the extracted strings for you/later |
| [23:05:48] | knightr: | I took a look and it looks like Chris P was right about it being mostly a rename, those qsp files don't appear to force us to have headers for them... |
| [23:06:19] | knightr: | those translation tags would have to be added though but it's not that much of a problem... |
| [23:06:49] | knightr: | I just wish Stuart M was around since he is the one that mostly played with this recently |
| [23:07:11] | knightr: | I don't quite like doing something like renaming those files behind his back... |
| [23:07:22] | knightr: | thank you! |
| [23:09:11] | dekarl: | thanks for going through it with me. Maybe stuartm can take a look at adding the i18n tags and rename the files |
| [23:09:32] | knightr: | the i18n I can add... |
| [23:09:53] | knightr: | I did it in the pass... |
| [23:10:25] | knightr: | it's renaming all 'his' stuff I am not quite at peace with doing... |
| [23:11:32] | knightr: | I just wish we add more time |
| [23:11:51] | knightr: | and more input from people on the ML... |
| [23:12:24] | knightr: | I just had a weird idea |
| [23:12:42] | knightr: | but I am not sure the others would go along with it... |
| [23:14:02] | knightr: | those new web pages served by the backend, theorically they cannot destabilize the backend, right? |
| [23:14:23] | knightr: | and there are probably quite a few other things like that... |
| [23:15:28] | knightr: | between the date Stuart A wanted us to release and the ultimate date Thomas gave then couldn't we work on those things which are not blocker for a release? |
| [23:15:38] | MythBuild: | build #112 of master-debian-testing-64bit is complete: Exception [6exception git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/112 blamelist: Karl Dietz <dekarl@mythtv.org > |
| [23:15:42] | dekarl: | They have crashed the backend in the past. There has been though on splitting the backend process into multiple independent ones |
| [23:15:54] | knightr: | dekarl, I know |
| [23:16:01] | knightr: | I suggested splitting it... |
| [23:16:26] | dekarl: | IIRC I thought it through and we already can run a mostly split backend. |
| [23:16:33] | knightr: | I don't like the idea of something which deals with user input in the backend... |
| [23:16:49] | dekarl: | e.g. the master only running the database and scheduler, with the recorders hanging off a slave backend on the same machine |
| [23:16:57] | knightr: | just so you know, Stuart M was against it IIRC>.. |
| [23:17:19] | knightr: | nice... |
| [23:17:44] | knightr: | I wanted MythTV to go the Postfix way of doing things more or less... |
| [23:17:50] | dekarl: | In theory the master backend can then be killed and restarted without killing the recordings on the slave backend. But I never looked into it |
| [23:18:15] | knightr: | we could even have a process that restarts the others |
| [23:18:24] | knightr: | if it sees they have stopped... |
| [23:18:27] | dekarl: | But there are bigger fish at the moment. e.g. converting the recordedseek table from MyISAM to InnoDB |
| [23:18:59] | dekarl: | It appears our users are running the database maintanance unattended, thus shooting themselves in the foot every now and then :/ |
| [23:19:17] | knightr: | I have ideas but I cannot realize them unfortunately... |
| [23:19:19] | knightr: | yikes... |
| [23:20:16] | dekarl: | the thread starts here http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-user . . . /383960.html |
| [23:21:17] | knightr: | yes, I saw that one |
| [23:21:50] | knightr: | I took a quick glance... |
| [23:22:23] | knightr: | dekarl, is there a way to search for specific messages with mailman? |
| [23:22:33] | knightr: | on a mailing list which is private that is... |
| [23:23:23] | dekarl: | I have never used that feature |
| [23:27:11] | knightr: | dekarl, http://lists.mythtv.org/mailman/private/mytht . . . /004756.html |
| [23:28:44] | knightr: | Mike had actually worked on another process outside the main backend |
| [23:28:52] | knightr: | from what I see in that post... |
| [23:29:34] | knightr: | http://lists.mythtv.org/mailman/private/mytht . . . /004762.html |
| [23:34:18] | dekarl: | need to find that password (and decide between hitting sack and watching this years fnord news show live) |
| [23:34:51] | dekarl: | https://streaming.media.ccc.de/32c3/relive/7282/ |
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| [23:48:26] | knightr: | dekarl, unfortunately my universal translator is currently being repaired |
| [23:49:00] | knightr: | and at some point they mentioned subtitles but I am not seeing any... |
| [23:49:30] | knightr: | I fast forward through and it's a shame I don't understand because it seems to be pretty funny... |
| [23:49:57] | knightr: | oops, fast forwarded... |
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| [23:54:29] | knightr: | my knowledge of German is limited to |
| [23:54:50] | knightr: | danke, und and sauerkraut... |
| [23:55:34] | knightr: | and words which sound similar to English words... |
| [23:58:48] | knightr: | unfortunately... |
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