| Tuesday, November 24th, 2015, 00:12 UTC | ||
| [00:12:16] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (re FiOS). On the other hand, even after the "transfer", the first thing that happens is marketing ("Welcome to your new Frontier" packet), and engineering tends to lag, so you *probably* have some time left to invest in your MythTV environment. |
| [00:12:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: On the other hand, I am pretty sure neither Frontier nor Verizon will share a detailed schedule with you so you actually know. |
| [00:38:34] | taylorr: | stuarta: are you using Pulse or Alsa on your NUC? the timestretch issue seems to happen because when using vaapi and the audio passthru gets disabled |
| [01:19:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: Celerons (and even Atoms) of today are not your grandfathers crap. I am not saying that I would likely recommend Atoms for LANLs next HPC cluster, but for the right purpose, they are not bad (and the C2000 family even supports microservers with ECC memory). |
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| [01:22:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: NUCs are great at some things. I just wish I was not paying quite such a premium for the form factor (at least the Intel branded NUCs). |
| [01:32:01] | taylorr: | gary_buhrmaster: the new Braswell-based NUCs are affordable and might potentially provide a high quality experience – these new NUCs should be a able to support HD bitstreaming and advanced video post processing |
| [01:40:41] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: Well, if I was going to but today, I would go with a Silverlake (I do not think the have announced the 6th gen celeron nuc yet, but other silverlakes NUCs are out). |
| [01:45:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: But when Kaby Lake moves the video functions inboard from Alpine Ridge that might be the one we want (you always want next years device; just like I know some people are already drooling over the qualcomm snapdragon 820 cpu phones that have not been announced yet). |
| [01:46:36] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: But only after you get MADI/MCDI working (I am one of those that cannot stand video artifacts; Unfortunately, I see them all). |
| [01:48:01] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: I once briefly looked at the MythTV codes in the area, and it was sufficiently daunting I decided to hope someone else would get an itch first. |
| [01:48:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: Especially since my nvidia card has been working well. |
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| [02:14:18] | taylorr: | gary_buhrmaster: no promises – I've got a lot on my plate these days |
| [02:27:19] | gigem: | gary_buhrmaster: I know the copy protection change won't happen immediately after the sale is finalized. When it does happen, though, the effect will be the same — one day, without warning, all of my recordings will start failing. |
| [02:27:21] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: I did not mean to imply it was an expectation for a result (sorry if it came across otherwise). |
| [02:28:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | taylorr: But I (and I suspect many) will be pleased if a result happens. |
| [02:29:43] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: My guess is that Frontier will (indirectly) give warning, in that they may warn that TiVo owners should verify that their CableCARD is properly validated (activated) to continue to get their channels after <date>. |
| [02:29:55] | gigem: | FWIW, before you FIOS news, I was this close -><- to being the hardware for a new frontend. I've been living with about 1 lokc up per day, on average, since then. Of course, I've had a couple of other big or unexpected expenditures that have helped put a damper on any other discretionary spending. |
| [02:31:15] | gary_buhrmaster: | Better informed than not (I *can* handle the truth). |
| [02:32:11] | gigem: | gary_buhrmaster: Proper pairing is supposed to be the situation already, though, it really isn't. The sent letter two or three years ago about it wen they turned on copy-once for HBO. When they turned it on for the FOX channels this summer, there was no warning. |
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| [02:33:09] | gigem: | Oops. this close -><- to s/being/buying/ |
| [02:36:22] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: I know they are supposed to be paired, it is just that we all know better, and maybe, just maybe, Frontier might care about a TiVo uprising (loosing one channel (HBO), or a few (FOX cable) is one thing. Loosing EVERYTHING is quite another). |
| [02:38:23] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: But I agree it is all conjecture. The anecdotal reports from Frontier subscribers indicates that good customer service is not a strong point. |
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| [02:39:44] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: The reports suggest that cost cutting is the priority (and given the debt that they took on, I can understand the C-level focus on their next bonus by reducing costs). |
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| [09:04:17] | stuarta: | taylorr: alsa |
| [09:04:46] | stuarta: | gary_buhrmaster: i have a microserver with a celeron. it is my dev & prod backend |
| [09:08:19] | stuarta: | gary_buhrmaster: i tell a lie, it pre dates the celeron models, it's a "AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo N36L Dual-Core Processor" |
| [09:10:41] | Roklobsta: | stuarta: wow how's the compile time on it? |
| [09:15:33] | stuarta: | Roklobsta: with an empty ccache 45 minutes |
| [09:15:50] | stuarta: | when primed it's only a few minutes |
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| [14:43:43] | taylorr: | stuarta: what vsync method (rtc, usleep, opengl, etc) are you using for your NUC? (you might have to add some verbosity flags to know) |
| [14:49:09] | stuarta: | Video timing method: DRM ?? |
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| [15:50:08] | taylorr: | stuarta: so you are using DRM? I thought that method was busted on most GPU drivers.. it's definitely not working on my setup |
| [15:50:22] | stuarta: | that's what the logs say |
| [15:50:31] | stuarta: | seems to work |
| [15:51:04] | taylorr: | anyways, I'm only asking because it seems like vsync goes quite erratic when doing timestretch on the NUC and the vsync method has a lot to do with it |
| [15:51:25] | stuarta: | i've not noticed anything going erratic |
| [15:51:54] | taylorr: | yes, DRM, if available, is the preferred method |
| [15:52:21] | taylorr: | I imagine that VAAPI is much happier with DRM vsync |
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| [15:53:01] | taylorr: | I don't think using usleep with busywait really works well with VAAPI |
| [15:53:49] | stuarta: | heh |
| [15:53:59] | taylorr: | opengl vsync was removed apparently which might have been what we wanted |
| [15:54:00] | stuarta: | does it work well with anything? |
| [15:54:47] | taylorr: | I imagine, usleep with busywait, works well enough for most setups or we'd know about it |
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| [18:17:06] | MythBuild: | build #140 of master-fedora-armv7hl is complete: Failure [4failed unit test core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . l/builds/140 blamelist: David Engel <dengel@mythtv.org >, Roger Siddons <dizygotheca@ntlworld.com > |
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| [19:00:24] | taylorr: | stuarta: unfortunately it appears that the NUC Celeron isn't powerful enough, using vaapi, to decode atsc 720p@75fps and render to a 1920x1080@60fps display |
| [19:02:41] | taylorr: | at least not powerful enough with how we implement vaapi |
| [19:05:12] | taylorr: | not sure if the limiting factor is having only 12 EUs for video or limited memory bandwidth since it only support one module |
| [19:16:57] | jheizer_: | :( |
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| [19:21:16] | dekarl: | taylorr: 720p75? what source is that? |
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| [19:31:35] | gigem: | dekarl: Most likely timestretching. |
| [19:32:06] | dekarl: | doh, that would explain it |
| [19:35:21] | gigem: | Is "TestMythSystem::getexitcode_returns_neg_1_when_signal_seen()" a known, unit test failure? |
| [19:37:55] | dekarl: | its coming and going |
| [19:38:03] | dekarl: | maybe we should kill with another signal? |
| [19:39:04] | dekarl: | SIGTERM? |
| [19:44:31] | gigem: | Okay. |
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| [19:53:59] | dekarl1: | haha, I guess I know where the core dump is coming from. Notice the end: "The SIGQUIT signal is sent to a process by its controlling terminal when the user requests that the process quit and perform a core dump. " |
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| [20:12:59] | dekarl: | lets try an see what we are getting back (changing the signal will likely not unbreak the unit test, its just without core) |
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| [20:36:44] | cbovy: | anyone using IPTV/HTTP-TS recording on master? I've been using 027candidates for a longer time now, but on master I can't get two simultaneous recordings on two encoders... |
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| [20:41:35] | dekarl: | cbovy: so http_ts recording and livetv channel changing works well in 027candidates? |
| [20:42:04] | dekarl: | I always ever tested with recording on one recorder |
| [20:42:10] | dekarl: | s/always/only/ |
| [20:42:41] | cbovy: | dekarl: yes, perfectly. I got a confirm from a user on the mailinglist as well (mike perkins?). |
| [20:43:25] | cbovy: | Mike had problems in master so I tried to test my use-cases on master, but fail until now... |
| [20:55:55] | markspieth: | taylorr: I still run gl vsync for prop nvidia driver and drm for nouveau. they both still work well. I have a patch to restore gl if you need it. |
| [20:57:14] | cbovy: | dekarl: in master the IPTV recorder has InstanceCount on 2 (videosource.cpp). In 027candidates this option is not there. Maybe the recorders are not created correctly. Let me start from scratch... |
| [20:57:15] | markspieth: | cant remember properly, but usleep vsync may track desired output rate not actual screen rate, which is what avsync is supposed to handle. |
| [20:57:55] | markspieth: | need to look again to be sure. |
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| [21:09:57] | taylorr: | markspieth: the vsync ended up being fine – do you know why we removed gl vsync? (too many options?) |
| [21:13:11] | taylorr: | still appreciate the avsync prediction code you provided years ago. |
| [21:23:05] | markspieth: | jya removed it, cant remember the reason. |
| [21:28:38] | taylorr: | please send me a patch for the gl sync if you don't mind |
| [21:32:11] | taylorr: | hmm, actually Mark K. removed it... according to git history it had issues for him. |
| [21:35:48] | cbovy: | dekarl: can't get multi recordings (HTTP TS with IPTV recorder) to work with master, even with clean database and setup. The 2nd recording does not pick a free recorder and gives a conflict. |
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| [21:39:16] | markspieth: | taylorr: http://digivationcom.au/debian/patches/mythtv . . . 151125.patch |
| [21:40:42] | jya: | I certainly didn't remove anything related to graphics. |
| [21:41:36] | jya: | Oh the prediction stuff? IIRC, it was backed out as it caused bad effects to many |
| [21:43:31] | markspieth: | my mistake. was Mark K |
| [21:45:12] | taylorr: | markspieth: thanks for the patch! |
| [21:46:15] | markspieth: | could have sworn the prediction stuff was still there. There you go. |
| [21:46:40] | taylorr: | no, the prediction stuff is still there and working great |
| [21:47:45] | taylorr: | jya: the avsync prediction is required for smooth playback when time stretching speed exceeds that of the display |
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| [22:04:41] | MythBuild: | build #142 of master-fedora-armv7hl is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . l/builds/142 |
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| [22:11:21] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: In retrospect, it makes sense that part of the problem may have been that the core dump itself was taking too long on the (slow) ARM builder. I was clearly not thinking. |
| [22:29:41] | jya: | taylorr: IIRC, the stuff I backed out was in regards to calculation on the audio stuff |
| [22:29:52] | jya: | it was touching the AudioOutput class |
| [22:30:12] | jya: | there was heap of people complaining that since the code went in they suffered buffer underruns |
| [22:34:47] | taylorr: | jya: ah, ok cool. |
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| [22:37:05] | jya: | my memory of it is so fuzzy, I may be completely wrong |
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