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| [00:08:20] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: Done. Thanks! |
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| [09:30:55] | paul-h: | stuartm: I'm just going to commit Rogers gallery stuff and hope for the best just to get things moving again – warpme has tested it and said it work for him |
| [09:35:47] | stuarta: | sometimes i think this is the way forward |
| [09:36:10] | stuarta: | commit it and get wider testing |
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| [10:11:41] | warpme: | paul-h: regarding new gallery stuff – pls contact firs Roger as I had extensive e-mail exchange with Roger resulting with some additional patches solving issues with threaded images load. With those patches new gallery works really well and stable for my 7k pictures. (those additional patches also improves general UI expierience for me) |
| [10:16:19] | warpme: | I'm refering to 0278–0281 in https://github.com/warpme/minimyth2/tree/mast . . . mythtv/files |
| [10:23:28] | paul-h: | warpme: I've already pushed his original 4 patches just to get things moving again if he wants to email me further patches I promise to commit them in timely fashion now I've a little more time :) |
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| [10:36:54] | stuarta: | paul-h: i'm surprised the thumbnails in the updated gallery aren't also stored in a SG |
| [10:38:59] | stuarta: | but otherwise, it looks like good progress |
| [10:39:07] | ** stuarta is all for progress ** | |
| [10:44:18] | paul-h: | stuarta: I take your point but using what is affectively a built in storage group just means one less thing for the user to setup I guess. We do similar things for channel icons and some of the cached images and lyrics for MythMusic etc |
| [10:45:21] | stuartm: | paul-h: thanks, wish I had more time, maybe once I'm back in the UK |
| [10:45:44] | stuarta: | true, long term i'd love to see everything use SG's even if they are built in defaults, for now we have better things to fix |
| [10:54:34] | warpme: | paul-h: If You have willingness to further improve mythtv with user patches – there is bunch of LVR patches which are providing noticable for me user expierience improvements. |
| [10:55:22] | warpme: | i.e.: mediamonitor area where you can directly play audio CD just after insertion |
| [10:56:11] | warpme: | FE startup improvements by DB settings cache (13..14->7..8sec) for my ION1 based frontends |
| [10:56:12] | paul-h: | LVR's patches are dangerous ask jya he committed a load only to revert every one of them I think |
| [10:56:51] | paul-h: | I want to work on getting the VBox to work with Myth next anyway |
| [10:59:25] | warpme: | well – I remember this whole story. I tested them also extensivelly and I have little different opinion here. Anyway – set of LVR patches in minimyt2 has over 1.5–2 months of usage in my 3 production FE's. So far I didn't notice any single regression.... |
| [11:04:16] | paul-h: | They may work for you and LVR maybe you are using similar setups? It doesn't mean they don't break for others though that was the problem with his patches they are very specific to his needs but often cause problems for others |
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| [11:05:31] | stuarta: | paul-h: warpme i think *some* of them are okay, mainly from the set warpme uses, the rest are to be avoided |
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| [11:09:50] | paul-h: | dizygoth: Sorry it took so long but I've finally committed your gallery patches – warpme says you have some more patches ready? |
| [11:16:17] | dizygoth: | paul-h: Thanks, wider testing/comments welcomed. But could you leave the ticket open ? |
| [11:17:36] | dizygoth: | That version only handles SG images on the BE. warpme pointed out that it doesn't handle removeable media so I'm working on a new version atm. |
| [11:20:06] | dizygoth: | warpme: Sorry I've been quiet. Will send you a new version as soon as I've flattened the wrinkles. |
| [11:22:39] | paul-h: | dizygoth: OK re-opened the ticket |
| [11:22:47] | dizygoth: | paul-h: warpme had an issue caused by an image loading thread 'dying', which locked the Myth UI. Gallery precipitated it but it's not Gallery-related & I don't believe it's Myth-related. |
| [11:25:38] | dizygoth: | He's running a patch/hack as a work-around on the Myth image loading. I'll add it to the ticket – probably one for stuartm to take a view on (sometime) |
| [11:28:52] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Not sure I follow re SG ? The thumbnails use the built-in "Temp" SG. Do you mean Temp should be user-configurable ? |
| [11:29:29] | stuarta: | oh, is that an SG that actually points to $HOME/.mythtv/tmp ...? |
| [11:29:41] | dizygoth: | stuarta: Yep |
| [11:29:49] | stuarta: | oh well, ignore me then ;-) |
| [11:32:22] | ** dekarl loves SG (hi channel icons and xmltv configs) in $HOME of whatever user is running the program ** | |
| [11:34:19] | stuarta: | dekarl: (moving over here from -users) linkage descriptor could be in NIT/BAT/SDT/EIT |
| [11:34:28] | warpme: | dizygoth/stuarta: having thumbs on SG will be nice thing for disk-less systems where mass-storage in realized on system RAM (on scare resource where allocation should be well controlled) |
| [11:34:37] | stuarta: | indeed |
| [11:37:18] | dekarl: | stuarta, just noticed that, and SIT (if we ever see one) |
| [11:37:28] | stuarta: | never ever seen one of those |
| [11:38:53] | warpme: | dizygoth: personally I would prefer separate SG for thumbs. For me it will make clarity and flexibility about where what content resides on BE... |
| [11:41:18] | warpme: | guys, quick Q: what is best method to retrieve given channel icon from perl script? |
| [11:42:45] | dekarl: | WTF id a "Partial Transport Stream"? Its documented as "what you need for playout" and then again as "a full TS after removing everything not related to one service" |
| [11:43:00] | stuartm: | warpme: services api? |
| [11:43:29] | stuarta: | dekarl: they are probably trying to say "the stuff left after you filter out what you don't want" |
| [11:43:41] | stuartm: | dekarl: a TS with a single video stream |
| [11:44:06] | stuartm: | (and audio and subtitles) |
| [11:44:17] | stuartm: | or what stuarta said |
| [11:44:18] | dekarl: | but is it something for the playout center to mux together, or is it after recording one service |
| [11:44:49] | dekarl: | My understanding is, that it is something different from a Single Program Transport Stream (SPTS vs. MPTS) |
| [11:45:17] | ** stuartm shrugs ** | |
| [11:45:28] | dekarl: | basically might contain a subset of the EIT with everything not related to the service removed |
| [11:46:44] | stuarta: | dekarl: btw we will need linkage_type = 0x2 |
| [11:46:59] | stuarta: | 0x02 = EPG Service |
| [11:48:50] | ** stuarta wanders off to find foo ** | |
| [11:48:53] | ** stuarta wanders off to find food ** | |
| [11:48:54] | dekarl: | what is "EPG Service"? I thought its some thing of "a service of some kind, mabye TV, maybe interactive that contains some human usable guide" |
| [11:49:17] | stuarta: | i'd expect it to point to a channel which is a data only channel carrying guide data |
| [11:49:59] | dekarl: | hmm, the 0x04 = "TS containing complete Network/Bouquet SI" sounded very good (and I've seen it in the wild before I was collecting specimen) |
| [11:50:41] | stuarta: | so that would carry our full set of multiplexes |
| [11:51:29] | stuarta: | we may also be looking for linkage_type =0x01 (information service) |
| [11:52:08] | dekarl: | I wish more people where documenting the intention of how everything goes together (like the Nordig specs) |
| [11:52:17] | dekarl: | s/where/were/ |
| [11:52:29] | stuarta: | hah, there are implementation guide for uk |
| [11:53:06] | stuarta: | other places don't bother, since the broadcaster controlls everything from transmission to reception, so can (and do) selectively implement what they want out of the specs |
| [11:53:45] | stuarta: | stuff like scandinavia broadcasts several different NITs and it's an accepted setup step to choose which NIT you want |
| [11:53:58] | dekarl: | that's common over here, too |
| [11:54:13] | dekarl: | also carriage of DVB-S/C/T NITs on the same transports |
| [11:54:18] | stuarta: | now i'm really going to lunch |
| [11:54:31] | dekarl: | Enjoy your meal! |
| [11:56:11] | dekarl: | Basically putting the DVB-C/T ready transports on a satelitte transponder so a dumb device can be used at the individual transmitter site / cable headend |
| [12:04:50] | dizygoth: | warpme: The BE does store thumbs in the Temp SG. Are you confusing it with the FE disk-caching the thumbs, ie. your remotecache patch ? |
| [12:07:39] | dizygoth: | warpme: Thumbs are private Myth data & 'average user' shouldn't be interested. If you care then you're probably aware enough to make $HOME/.mythtv/tmp/Photographs a symlink ;-) |
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| [12:15:39] | stuarta: | dekarl: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=830 |
| [12:18:22] | dekarl: | what is that? |
| [12:18:33] | dekarl: | A hack to ingest OpenTV guide data? |
| [12:18:58] | stuarta: | so tv_grab_dvb_plus pulls the (i think) opentv guide data from the relevant mux |
| [12:19:39] | stuarta: | so his channels.conf (see https://github.com/Saner2oo2/mythtv-skyuk) has a single epg channel |
| [12:20:01] | dekarl: | that may be the "EPG Service" that the descriptor points at |
| [12:20:17] | stuarta: | yeah, i want to find that pointer to make it automatic |
| [12:20:36] | dekarl: | dvb+ => "This is an xmltv grabber for DVB, Freesat, Sky (AU, UK and IT) and MediaHighway EPG data." |
| [12:21:55] | stuarta: | oh you bastards..... |
| [12:24:02] | warpme: | dizygoth:no no. cache is one thing while thumbs are another for me. I was only trying to say that for me more logical loc for thumbs will be pictures SG with someting like ".thumbs" instead of temp SG. |
| [12:25:18] | stuarta: | dekarl: here's a snippet, it *is* in the BAT, just not with a linkage_type i was looking at http://fpaste.org/236115/51486771/ |
| [12:26:02] | stuarta: | transport_stream_ID: 2004 (0x07d4) |
| [12:26:03] | warpme: | temp SG is usually something temporairly used, allowable to delete without high penalty |
| [12:27:05] | dekarl: | stuarta, that is the point to the OpenTV data? |
| [12:27:14] | stuarta: | probably |
| [12:28:24] | stuarta: | would need to do further digging |
| [12:28:40] | dekarl: | meh https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MediaHighWay_EPG looks like something is documented on *our* wiki |
| [12:29:25] | stuarta: | look at where dvb_grab_dvb_plus came from, it started as mythtv code by some of our former devs |
| [12:34:03] | dekarl: | I want to run away screaming and concentrate on services.mythtv.org / nonametv / atlas :) |
| [12:35:16] | stuarta: | well we can talk about that too |
| [12:35:28] | stuarta: | it still need to be migrated off alcor |
| [12:36:19] | dekarl: | Can we run J2EE stuff for services? There was this person lately who offered help with J2EE experience |
| [12:36:37] | paul-h: | where is trac located these days it's been painfully slow at times today |
| [12:36:39] | stuarta: | i'd prefer php or ruby |
| [12:36:45] | stuarta: | paul-h: alcor still |
| [12:37:03] | paul-h: | OK |
| [12:37:19] | stuarta: | todo list still has smolt backend, code, services, themes |
| [12:40:49] | paul-h: | I've got 3 people interested in maintaining the docs for us maybe we should ask for help updating the theme and channel icon services etc? |
| [12:41:28] | stuarta: | paul-h: i've some thoughts on that. it needs a redesign and separation |
| [12:42:02] | stuarta: | themes the web api would remain, but we could add an overview page so people could look at available themes via the web in one place |
| [12:42:11] | stuarta: | maybe even submit themes for inclusion |
| [12:43:16] | stuarta: | channel icons needs 2 distinct components, backend component(s) which have the web api, and also regular auto refresh (weekly?) from lyngsat |
| [12:43:38] | stuarta: | then a web site / frontend interface where we can crowd approve icons |
| [12:44:49] | stuarta: | pretty much everything is up for redesign apart from the web api's which are coded into mythtv itself |
| [12:45:33] | ** stuarta needs to work some more on autodeployment of the sites from checkin ** | |
| [12:50:37] | paul-h: | stuarta: It may be worth asking on the users list for help with the services stuff I'm sure we have many users who could help out – Often the code writing part is the easy part it's getting the design right that the hard part |
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| [12:53:04] | paul-h: | We definitely need to make it easier for themers to update their themes. Some sort of theme checker for each version would be nice so they know what needs to be updated |
| [12:53:51] | stuarta: | yeah, i was thinking something along the lines of, submit a theme, it goes and retrieves things like the metadata and verifies it's all okay, before getting it packaged |
| [12:54:44] | stuarta: | for bonus points it would need to work out when a packaged theme has been sync'd to osuosl's ftp server and is therefore "available" |
| [12:54:59] | stuarta: | and mark, or make it available automatically once sync'd |
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| [12:57:40] | stuarta: | dekarl: just had an idea about the encoding of eit data from the brazilian user on the forum, maybe we need to key the charset fixups based on the signalled language? ie. por(tugese) need charset x |
| [12:59:57] | dekarl: | just asuming that no one actually uses ISO 6937 and always reading it as ISO 8859–15 would fix most cases... |
| [13:00:45] | dekarl: | stuarta, I was thinking about something like "let the locale set an overide for 'no signalling means XXX instead of ISO 6937'", too |
| [13:01:29] | dekarl: | that would only break on mixed constellations where some people to it right :) |
| [13:02:39] | dekarl: | Oh, and rip out the EIT Fixups and their mapping into hackable scripts / data files |
| [13:02:54] | stuarta: | = perf-- |
| [13:03:12] | stuarta: | they used to be in the database and were moved out for performance reasons |
| [13:03:37] | dekarl: | not with the heavy caching that we do and the common VMs with compilers |
| [13:04:06] | dekarl: | the key part is caching the compiled regexps :) |
| [13:04:19] | stuarta: | it'll need some benchmarking. iirc it was the difference between pre-compiled regexps and dynamically built ones |
| [13:04:25] | dekarl: | and the caching that we do in the EIT already |
| [13:04:59] | dekarl: | we have our fixups in the database over at nonametv and its lightning fast |
| [13:05:15] | dekarl: | the real slow down is live lookup of remote services |
| [13:05:18] | stuarta: | interesting |
| [13:07:20] | dekarl: | e.g. https://github.com/NonameTV/nonametv/blob/mas . . . terrules.txt with gems like "^((Pan Tau)\s+.*)$" |
| [13:14:34] | stuarta: | if you have a much better way of doing thing then i'm all ears |
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| [13:16:23] | dizygoth: | warpme: Ah, the traditional approach! Like preview-generator. The original 'new gallery' put them in tmp & I like the idea of not contaminating the pictures SG. |
| [13:17:27] | dizygoth: | warpme: Otherwise other tools start processing the thumbs as real images, which is annoying. |
| [13:18:42] | dizygoth: | warpme: Whatever it's not a big issue for the code. Symlink the tmp dir or we can add a thumbnail SG later on. |
| [13:19:26] | stuarta: | default thumbnail SG = tmp SG :) |
| [13:19:36] | stuarta: | right now it's hard coded. |
| [13:19:38] | stuarta: | heh |
| [13:19:56] | dekarl: | stuarta, well we are trying to make something from (almost) nothing. While that is nice in itself I'm leaning towards central services going forward. So I have some nice ideas to improve the mythical EITFixups, but they are down on the list :) |
| [13:20:48] | stuarta: | dekarl: the approach i'd like to take with "central services" is that it's dealt with as an update source, ie. things check in to see if there is anything new |
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| [13:21:31] | dekarl: | stuarta, as in "automatic update of fixup scripts" or something along these lines? |
| [13:22:20] | stuarta: | yeah kinda, keep a local copy so you have everything you need (and ship with a default set), and like we do for themes, check in to see if there's anything new |
| [13:23:03] | dekarl: | but then you are still limited to 8 hours / 3 days or whatever the private tv stations put on the air |
| [13:23:33] | dekarl: | the press services commonly provide 6 weeks into the future (going from 3 weeks to 18 weeks) |
| [13:23:54] | stuarta: | isn't that guide data, which is not the same as the fixup rules? |
| [13:24:18] | dekarl: | yes, but the fixup rules do work on that limited data |
| [13:25:12] | dekarl: | a central service (maybe to automate setup of the right xmltv grabber) can give us proper inetrefs for movie wishlists / series link with nice pictures in the EPG |
| [13:25:26] | dekarl: | but first things first :) |
| [13:26:05] | paul-h: | dizygoth: first problem I encountered is we need an updated default-wide image-ui.xml otherwise the new image gallery fails with a missing images0 error |
| [13:27:05] | dekarl: | first thing for "us" would be a "channel configuration service" for icon lookup / connection to xmltv guide / streaming radio list / HLS service list |
| [13:27:34] | stuarta: | dekarl: a much improved services :) |
| [13:27:36] | dekarl: | stuarta, +1 for the HP Microserver |
| [13:27:57] | stuarta: | awesome aren't they? especially now with cashback they are ~£120 |
| [13:28:29] | dekarl: | reading "I prefer a bit more CPU so I can record multiple HD streams to my SSD that is connected to a SATA->USB adapter on a single USB 2 port shared with network and everything else" makes me want to cry |
| [13:28:49] | stuarta: | hahaha |
| [13:29:31] | stuarta: | the problem is I want 1 microserver just to turn into a NAS, the onboard SD card slot makes that very very easy |
| [13:29:46] | dekarl: | and directly below that a short "I run such a thing on the Banana Pi for some months now" :) |
| [13:29:49] | stuarta: | and several others for future devious uses |
| [13:30:07] | dizygoth: | paul-h: There shouldn't be a default-wide image-ui.xml. That's old. It should be using the 'default ' image-ui.xml. |
| [13:30:17] | dekarl: | FreeNAS + MythBackend plugin sounds like something nice |
| [13:30:34] | dekarl: | need to write to some companies to send us DVB -> network devices to add support to MythTV |
| [13:30:35] | stuarta: | a what? backend plugin? |
| [13:30:54] | stuarta: | dekarl: that's the vbox |
| [13:31:17] | dekarl: | stuarta, http://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_plugins.html MythTV as a applicance style package on the NAS |
| [13:31:18] | stuarta: | they offered us test samples so we could work on support, and nobody had time |
| [13:31:59] | stuarta: | dekarl: cool.... |
| [13:32:10] | dekarl: | I hear quite some users asking about the AVM dual DVB-C -> network adapter, also the HDHR 4xDVB-C device |
| [13:32:51] | dekarl: | basically throwing 16GiB memory and some drives + FreeNAS at the micro server |
| [13:33:07] | dekarl: | then run ZFS raidz1 or similar on it |
| [13:33:44] | paul-h: | dizygoth: even the wide themes will use the default 4:3 one? |
| [13:34:04] | dekarl: | I wonder why no one came up with a plugin for one of the beefier commercial NAS though |
| [13:34:35] | dizygoth: | paul-h: master looks ok. I suspect your install isn't deleting the old theme file |
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| [13:36:11] | dizygoth: | paul-h: Yes. It uses relative sizing, so I don't see the need for a specific wide one |
| [13:39:27] | stuarta: | dekarl: yeah with network attached tuners it would be cool |
| [13:39:43] | stuarta: | dekarl: although even more reason to finish up the web based configuration ;-) |
| [13:40:18] | paul-h: | dizygoth: OK I see what you mean if you previously already installed Myth with the new gallery you will have the old wider version of image-ui.xml since installing themes never deletes old files. That could cause a bit of head scratching |
| [13:40:33] | dekarl: | aye, the web based configuration can reduce the barrier of entry for the masses |
| [13:41:07] | stuarta: | that is my goal at the moment. make the whole bloody lot much easier to setup |
| [13:41:46] | paul-h: | dizygoth: do the old database entries have to be removed before doing a scan? |
| [13:45:09] | dizygoth: | paul-h: Yes, clear the db. I usually disable the theme installation. Doesn't it copy directories rather than files? |
| [13:47:00] | dizygoth: | paul-h: I could add a default-wide but it'll be a duplicate = more maintenance |
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| [14:14:19] | paul-h: | dizygoth: if it's something that only affects 0.28 then I wouldn't worry to much about it |
| [14:15:33] | paul-h: | Having said that I do thing you could run into problems trying to make a 4:3 screen scale properly to 16:9 |
| [14:18:29] | paul-h: | For example not sure if the progress bar is supposed to be centred on the screen but here it seems offset to the left which looks a little odd with the other text being centralized |
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| [14:21:24] | paul-h: | The good news once I remembered to restart the master BE and clear the DB tables everything seemed to work fine, definitely a big improvement |
| [14:23:23] | paul-h: | exiting back to the top level thumb screen does seem to take a few seconds here not sure if that is what warpme was eluding to |
| [14:30:57] | dizygoth: | paul-h: Agree UI design is basic – bar is offset because there's 2 text fields crammed into the top line as well. I should replace them with icons. Themer issue ;-) |
| [14:31:52] | stuarta: | interesting, there are "streamed" channels in freeview |
| [14:31:56] | stuarta: | http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/industry/Channels/channel_listings |
| [14:35:19] | dizygoth: | paul-h: The delay is probably warpme's issue. The UI blocks until it has finished loading all images/thumbs from the BE – quite a lot for gallery, especially if a remote FE. |
| [14:35:47] | dekarl: | we have that over here, too. Freeview has it as some kind of MHEG application, over here its a HbbTV website with a MPEG2TS over HTTP. |
| [14:36:20] | dekarl: | stuarta, I'm not sure how we can combine the DVB-EIT that is on the "application service" with the actual IPTV stream, though |
| [14:36:35] | stuarta: | too hard basket for now |
| [14:36:48] | dekarl: | XMLTV + IPTV recorder works well :) |
| [14:37:33] | dekarl: | But ours are mostly in 640x360 (mythical 1/4 of 720p or 1/9 of 1080p resolution) |
| [14:38:52] | dekarl: | I collected some over here https://github.com/Pavion/tvstreamrecord/wiki/Multithek |
| [14:39:06] | dizygoth: | paul-h: The patch I mentioned simply aborts them instead. But it should only be an issue when quickly browsing with un-cached images, ie. first time onto a page then exiting quickly. |
| [14:39:32] | dekarl: | stuarta, mine to get some specimen of the AIT? |
| [14:39:37] | dekarl: | s/mine/mind/ |
| [14:39:54] | stuarta: | AIT? |
| [14:42:55] | dekarl: | Application Information Table (AIT) http://paste.ubuntu.com/11768022/ |
| [14:43:43] | dekarl: | hmm, that's MHP stuff, what does MHEG use? |
| [14:44:05] | stuarta: | something similar i'd guess |
| [14:45:17] | dekarl: | ^- from that I could take two descriptors and get "http://x4012c4000.edge.core-cdn.net/40000mb/l . . . hbbtv/" + "bloomberg.ts" as valid stream |
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| [18:36:26] | paul-h: | Anyone know if the IPTV Recorder will work with http mpegts streams? |
| [18:46:13] | dekarl: | paul-h there was a patch to add that feature |
| [18:46:44] | paul-h: | in trac? |
| [18:48:04] | dekarl: | aye https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12168 |
| [18:49:39] | paul-h: | Thanks I'll have a play with it |
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