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Tuesday, November 18th, 2014, 00:12 UTC

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bill6502:

dna3e8: Closed Captioning or Cable Card, both work. I followed this Wiki: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_Prime

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bill6502:

sorry, wrong channel

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stuarta:

morning all

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stuartm:

morning

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stuarta:

started playing with the bootstrap stuff last night. the contributed code is a good first step, but has plenty more that needs implementing

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stuartm:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-de . . . /064197.html

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stuarta:

ooo

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stuartm:

what's not clear about that is whether applications using vdpau need to be modified to support it, and of course there's no word about whether existing nvidia hardware will work or it will only be next-gen cards

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stuarta:

given that it's an api extension, and the last few lines talk about making apps such as ffmpeg support it, i'd say code changes are needed

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pvr4me:

Forum down?

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stuarta:

i hope not

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** stuarta checks **

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stuarta:

nope

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stuarta:

pvr4me: it's running, are you seeing some errors?

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pvr4me:

It refused to load a few minutes ago. let me check again...

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pvr4me:

Yeah, it is back now. Sorry for the noise. Carry on with whatever you were doing before

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stuarta:

wonder why that was :(

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pvr4me:

It's that darned ether

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sphery:

stuarta: why mythbackend --bootstrap, rather than mythtv-setup --bootstrap (and don't bring up the GUI, like the mythtv-setup command-line channel scanner)?

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sphery:

Since, TTBOMK, mythbackend's creating a DB/schema won't help mythbackend at all because the user will still need to run mythtv-setup to define input connections at minimum

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sphery:

and, more than anything, it seems it would be a setup thing and not a backend thing

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sphery:

or even mythutil seems better than yet another thing in mythbackend

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sphery:

I'd actually like to remove the ability for mythbackend to upgrade the DB because it causes more problems than it solves, and a nice command-line (runnable by packaging scripts) approach to upgrade the DB would mean we wouldn't need to allow mythbackend to upgrade DB automatically

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stuarta:

sphery: because ultimately we would like to do all setup via http to the backend

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sphery:

but a command-line app that does the upgrade needn't be the same app that's running the http server

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sphery:

i.e. why have mythbackend's http server call mythbackend --bootstrap instead of mythutil --bootstrap or whatever

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stuarta:

it wouldn't call something like that, the code would trigger from the command line, or you could request the same thing be done via the internal webserver

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sphery:

well, still, command line app doesn't need to be mythbackend

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sphery:

upgrade code is in libs

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sphery:

and the --bootstrap option just calls the upgrade code

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stuarta:

i'll consider it. it's early days yet

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sphery:

anyway, just my personal opinion

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stuarta:

anyway the whole point of --bootstrap, isn't actually upgrade, the user missed the point on that. it's to "bootstrap" the db to get us to a point where we can actually do *something*

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sphery:

I do, however, love the fact that the patch pretty much removes the auto-db-upgrade when running mythbackend (which currently is only enabled when mythbackend is run on the master host)

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sphery:

I think that should be removed

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stuarta:

you mean hard coding it to always upgrade?

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sphery:

no, it's currently hard coded to always upgrade when mythbackend is run on the master host against an out-of-date DB

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stuarta:

i meant the patch

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sphery:

the patch removes that from the run_backend() method and forces use of --bootstrap to upgrade the DB

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sphery:

(or use of mythtv-setup to interactively upgrade the DB)

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sphery:

I like that better than allowing mythbackend to auto-upgrade (and surprise users)

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sphery:

but I'd prefer the command-line upgrade be done from a different app (mythtv-setup or mythutil)--or interactively from mythbackend

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sphery:

using http server

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sphery:

anyway, just some thoughts

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stuarta:

i'll keep those thoughts in mind, the code isn't written yet

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sphery:

I love the idea of a command-line (callable from packaging scripts) upgrade and planned to make that available even before this patch was written

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sphery:

I just planned to put it in a different app :)

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stuarta:

i was talking to the package maintainers about this, they would love the idea, so they don't have to futz with the DB

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sphery:

and to make it so that it will create the initial DB, too--possibly even requesting password for MySQL root user (to allow CREATE DATABASE and/or GRANT/FLUSH PRIVILEGES, as necessary)

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stuarta:

sphery: that was the whole point of the idea that the patch missed

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stuarta:

he only implemented upgrade.

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sphery:

yeah, I had talked with tgm48 83 about it long ago, but haven't made time to work on it

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stuarta:

which is quite frankly next to useless

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sphery:

well, as you said, it's a start :)

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sphery:

but not so useful for packagers

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stuarta:

aye

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sphery:

anyway, thanks for taking it on

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stuarta:

and i wrote a big long list of tings that it *should* do

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sphery:

I'm hoping to get to the point I can put some time into MythTV next year

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stuarta:

which even includes running the mysql_tz app to setup timezones

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sphery:

yeah, would be ideal

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pvr4me:

If it doesn't initialize the mythconverg db, calling it "--bootstrap" is a misnomer

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stuarta:

yep

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stuarta:

it needs to be fully scriptable for distro packagers to use

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sphery:

yeah, that would be perfect

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sphery:

allow them to tell us which parts to do rather than trying to react to what we find

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stuarta:

--bootstrap --dbname --dbuser --dbpass

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sphery:

so they can, for example, create the user and set password using the approach they use to keep track of things, but have us create the schema and settings and such

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stuarta:

--install-tzsupport

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sphery:

or they can do nothing and tell us to create a user mythtv with password (hard part is finding a good way to pass it that doesn't put it on the command line) and to use the mysql root account with root password to do it

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sphery:

and then we create the schema and ...

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pvr4me:

Error handling is important, too. Has to do something sensible if the database is down or misconfigured

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sphery:

FWIW, the way the DB backup/restore scripts handle the password is by using a temporary, tightly-permissioned mysql options file in /tmp directory rather than passing password on command line

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stuarta:

--credentials-file

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sphery:

but could always start with command line options until someone (inevitably) complains (after all, we don't want the NSA getting the mythtv user's mysql password when they're watching command lines fly by on our system :)

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stuarta:

who cares. 99% of poeple use mythtv/mythtv on mythconverg db

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sphery:

or any of those people who are using the university supercomputer on which we run our mythtv systems :)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and there's so many other ways to compromise the MythTV system that don't even require mythtv user's mysql password

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tgm4883:

+1 to packagers not having to futz with the DB

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stuarta:

futz is such a good word

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tgm4883:

Also +1 to error handling

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tgm4883:

sphery: if you run it as root, you shouldn't need mysql root credentials. You can possibly use --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf

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stuarta:

tgm4883: that'll work for debian/ubuntu, fedora just comes with root without password

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stuarta:

i'll make a mental note to make sure the syntax matches ;-)

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tgm4883:

stuarta: that isn't a mysql option? or that file doesn't exist for fedora users?

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stuarta:

tgm4883: we were talking about adding that to either mythbackend or myth-util

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tgm4883:

we're basically just doing "mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf mythconverg"

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tgm4883:

right

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stuarta:

so this is making myth be able to install it's DB from scratch, without needing a sql dumpfile to be restored

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tgm4883:

I was just saying you shouldn't need to request root privs to bootstrap the db if you are already running with root privs, but if that file doesn't exist (or you aren't running with root privs) then you would need to prompt for root credentials

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tgm4883:

let me rephrase that

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stuarta:

i know what you mean

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stuarta:

i'll keep it in mind

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tgm4883:

I was just saying you shouldn't need to request MYSQL root privs to bootstrap the db if you are already running with OS root privs, but if that file doesn't exist (or you aren't running with OS root privs) then you would need to prompt for MYSQL root credentials

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stuarta:

yep, i'm also considering giving myth a normal user credentials

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stuarta:

anyway, time for me to head off

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stuartm:

dekarl: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=479

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dekarl:

stuartm, got the mail already. not sure what I should reply to "channel scan on 0.25 misses two channels" though

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dekarl:

anybody got a sample from the Astra 4K demo channel? its HEVC, too. :) http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2014/11/13/ast . . . in-ultra-hd/

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dekarl:

and as always. love to get specimen of the DVB-SI in use at that service

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stuartm:

not I, I'm pointed at 28.2 not 19.2

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Roklobsta:

anyone poked the 100% CPU use on mythfrontend bug lately?

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Roklobsta:

by poke i mean look at.

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stuartm:

Roklobsta: no-one here can reproduce

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Roklobsta:

hmm.

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Roklobsta:

i think the mythbuntu distribution of 0.28 has full debug symbols. i'll try it with gdb.

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jac1d:

Hi. I have a fresh install of Mythbuntu 14.04. irw correctly reports my MCE remote keypresses but mythfrontend doesn't see them or respond to them. Any ideas?

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dekarl1:

jac1d: you might want to try #mythbuntu, they likely know their way aroind the remote section in mythbuntucontrolcentre

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jac1d:

dekarl1: Thanks, I am over there too, just very quiet. I am not using myth control center for that, tryingto adjut thefile by hand

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jac1d:

I have a commandir in the mix as well, but this appears to be a config issue, not a hardware one

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dekarl1:

my working setups always consisted of picking my remote in mcc and just using it :)

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jac1d:

any chance you can paste in your output from ps ax | grep lirc?

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stuartm:

jac1d: check /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols

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stuartm:

you may need to check rc1, rc2 et al depending which device your system appears on

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