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Friday, October 17th, 2014, 00:06 UTC
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[06:35:46] dekarl: \o/ lets start embedded database bike shedding. You know, we must be able to fix the database with magnets ;)
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[07:58:45] stuarta: bloody firewalls
[08:03:03] ** stuarta ups dekarl's meds **
[08:03:36] stuarta: seriously, when i went to bed the forum was working, and then it stopped because the firewall did something silly
[08:05:31] stuarta: i really shouldn't fiddle
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[08:52:29] Roklobsta: whups
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[09:35:07] stuartm: apropos http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/17/torva . . . nating_devs/
[09:38:12] stuartm: dekarl: fwiw I've decided that it's better not to engage, if the devs ignore those sorts of posts/threads then hopefully they'll burn themselves out and if not at least we all keep our blood pressure low
[09:39:08] stuartm: after all we're not here to please users, let alone a minority of them
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[09:55:01] stuarta: who needs users?
[10:00:45] stuartm: we need developers, without them it doesn't matter how many users there are
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[10:14:18] stuartm: and we definitely don't need the developers we've got suffering strokes after being wound up by users :)
[10:15:28] ** Seeker` goes to find a tranquiliser gun... **
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[10:20:37] dekarl-work: stuartm, that link is funny: Torvalds' ... was the subject of strident criticism by fellow developer Lennart Poettering,, who labelled the Linux community “quite a sick place to be in”.
[10:21:17] dekarl-work: strong language also comes from lots of non-native-speakers trying to get a point across
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[10:23:33] stuarta: well Lennart is a very strongly opinionate person as well
[10:27:12] dekarl-work: stuarta, that was my first thought, too
[10:27:45] stuarta: he has, erm.... "a reputation"....
[10:55:12] coling_: stuartm, no problemo. Will get on and do the latest updates shortly :)
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[11:20:21] stuartm: coling: great, thanks]
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[18:53:07] stuartm: coling: Luigi12 once asked about where we announce Security issues, well we don't have a formal proceedure but I've just pushed a fix to 0.27 for the issue identified by Akamai this morning in the UPnP SSDP protocol (applies to all UPnP devices)
[18:53:38] stuartm: maybe that's the sort of thing that he had in mind
[18:55:42] stuartm: it only applies to UPnP servers which are exposed to the internet and anyone exposing a UPnP device to the internet, especially a MythTV box needs their head checking, but we could apply something to deal with it, so we did
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[19:01:20] stuartm: I should also note that the fix hasn't actually been tested in the wild
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[20:52:35] gigem: Would it be a sign of maturity if a user stopped whining that we don't do what he would like us to do?
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[20:58:38] tgm4883: gigem: no, you must do exactly what I want
[20:58:47] tgm4883: which is a rewrite of mythbackend in python3
[20:59:03] jheizer: I think we all gave up on replying today.
[20:59:28] tgm4883: I havne't looked today, is it bad
[20:59:49] jheizer: Not as bad.
[20:59:50] dekarl: tgm4883: Python3? I don't know of a bash library of that name!
[21:00:14] jheizer: Most of the opinions have moved to the embedded DB thread.
[21:01:00] tgm4883: jheizer: but embedded DB's are bad because I'm an oracle DBA of 35 years so everyone should know exactly how to tune and configure a DB
[21:01:25] tgm4883: relevant XKCD http://xkcd.com/1172/
[21:01:54] dekarl: tgm4883: if you don't like bash, you can rewrite mythtv in java and run it embedded in your oracle database ;)
[21:02:46] tgm4883: dekarl: no, we must rewrite it in javascript and make it so I can deploy it to amazon web services and run it in the cloud
[21:02:57] jheizer: DA CLOUD!!!
[21:03:25] dekarl: Let the cloud make your life easier!
[21:04:08] tgm4883: are there a bunch of rejected patches somewhere?
[21:04:22] jheizer: I got to have fun explaining to my client 2 seeks ago that all their mails sending were failing because their cloud SMTP service was overloaded and timing out.
[21:05:17] gigem: I think a rewrite in elisp would be better. I wouldn't have to leave the editor to test!
[21:05:42] jheizer: Instead of them runnign their own SMTP or at least having a proxy to store and forward, I had to write one into our service to store/serialize out failed emails and auto retry later.
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