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[04:52:17] dekarl: wagnerrp: sphery: I like the idea of reconnecting orphaned recording files if the guide data is still there. Gets a bit tricky with hard / soft record early times, but if the rules are still around that could work. (or just find the programme has the biggest intersection with the recording, making it easier by avoiding the rule handlind and even working with small guide updates during/since the recording.)
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[04:55:11] dekarl: would also work with some slack for "record 30 minutes from 19:30 every day" rules when the programme's start_time is announced some different time between 19:27–19:32 every day
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[08:38:31] ** stuarta installs bubbleupnp and then realizes he's nowhere near a backend to test it... **
[08:46:33] stuartm: !trout stuarta
[08:46:33] ** MythLogBot slaps stuarta with a trout on behalf of stuartm... **
[08:46:46] stuartm: that trout has to be pretty rotten by now
[08:47:07] stuarta: :)
[08:48:10] stuarta: we don't need a mythtv-soc list anymore i think
[08:48:17] ** stuarta schedules for removeal **
[08:48:36] stuartm: no we don't
[08:50:31] stuartm: I'll be kicking off a new coverity build later today, if there are any issues you'd like to fix before then ...
[08:51:56] stuarta: nope, i've 7 cases requiring complex reproducers to get through today, so ENOTIME
[08:55:15] stuarta: took 2–3hrs last night just to build a VM
[08:56:43] stuartm: np
[08:57:28] stuarta: what to do first.... storage, kernel, NAS, kdump or ym.....
[08:57:50] stuartm: there are some new ones with coverity, "use of untrusted data", where we're using values from outside mythtv – DVB packets, MHEG carousel etc without checking them first
[08:58:54] stuartm: which is fairly relevant given the recent proof of concept exploits of STBs over DVB recently
[08:59:19] stuarta: not heard about those, but i've not been paying attention
[09:03:28] stuartm: well it was actually exploiting a particular extension used in a couple of places, part DVB, part HTTP for streaming content – iPlayer like stuff, but it involved generating a localised DVB signal strong enough to override the one from the transmitter to inject commands
[09:03:59] stuartm: can't remember the name of the extension atm so I'm having no luck finding the reference
[09:04:16] stuarta: it's not like it would be trivial
[09:04:44] stuarta: don't worry about finding it
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[10:00:47] stuartm: oops, credited the wrong static analysis for that last commit
[10:08:05] stuarta: ah well
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[14:01:30] dekarl-work: stuarta, stuartm: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27761756 HbbTV, the attack is to send a AIT(?) descriptor in the SDT that operns/"autostarts" a HbbTV website from a rogue webserver...
[14:02:31] stuarta: ah, that's part of the opentv spec
[14:05:04] dekarl-work: well, you can also put the website into the DSM-CC and embed it into the stream (you don't need a webserver)
[14:05:20] dekarl-work: uh oh "For instance, the researchers said, if owners had logged in to Facebook via a TV app, the attack could be used to post messages on the social network on that person's behalf."
[14:05:57] dekarl-work: that's why we need "50 cent per vote" polls... "Alternatively, wrote the researchers in a paper, the loopholes could be used to bombard a target website with data or to log spurious votes or clicks."
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[14:07:04] dekarl-work: We could secure everything with certificates and secret keys... looking how well it works for HTTPS / DRM I'm not sure that it would be an improvement though
[14:13:36] stuartm: dekarl-work: yeah that particular case where they are injecting perfectly valid commands is harder to protect against, but the very fact that they were able to demonstrate a reasonable feasible setup to broadcast with was more interesting
[14:14:43] stuartm: either way, whether the packets come from the broadcaster or a MitM, we should double check any values which if incorrect could lead to crashes and other undesired behaviour in the backend
[14:15:26] dekarl-work: want one, too? get http://www.avalpa.com/the-key-values/15-free- . . . 3-opencaster pull in the relevant channels, some filter/injecting voodoo and output again with http://www.idealez.com/hides/product-detail/en_US/75595 185USD (the "we donate to the software project" edition)
[14:15:57] dekarl-work: I agree that we should not crash etc.
[14:16:31] stuarta: you know the first thing that came to my mind?
[14:16:55] stuarta: a doctor who episdoe from the last few years where everyone was under mind control from their television
[14:17:01] stuartm: after all that was the mechanism for heartbleed, client just sent a request with a payload size value which was larger than reality, openssl's code didn't check the actual size of the payload, they trusted the size they were told and promptly included a huge chunk of unrelated memory in their response
[14:17:17] stuarta: now we have the mechanism to implement mass mind control via TV
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[14:21:01] stuartm: and we'll use our powers only for good?
[14:21:07] stuartm: nah .. where's the fun in that
[14:21:59] ** stuarta heads out for some tin foil to build a fresh tin foil hat **
[14:27:21] stuarta: \o/ cracked 4k visitors to the forum over the last month
[14:31:06] stuartm: yeah, it's gathering momentum
[14:31:31] stuartm: not quite at critical mass yet, not enough users helping users
[14:39:40] stuarta: getting there slowly
[14:47:22] stuartm: jpabq: should failing to set the O_NONBLOCK flag on the in/out/err file handles be considered a fatal error or just something we should notify about and proceed?
[14:47:39] stuartm: jpabq: sorry, this is in ExternalStreamHandler
[14:48:56] stuartm: coverity complains if you ignore the return value of fcntl so I'm just adding checks on it, but not sure whether we should be bailing out or just logging it
[14:49:44] jpabq: stuartm: If you want to get a "fix" in, just log it for now. I will carve out some time in the next day or so to review that code — it needs it for other reasons anyway.
[14:49:53] stuartm: k
[14:54:58] stuartm: for now then I'm treating them as one, if any one fcntl fails we show the same warning in the log
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[16:25:35] stuartm: anyone know how to silence warnings such as these from ld during the build? "/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libz.so when searching for -lz"
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[16:59:15] dekarl-work: stuartm, sounds like something is strange with the search path. google hints that the skipped library was of the wrong architecture (x86/x86–64/x32) so I'd try to clean up the mess in lib/lib32/lib64 first ;) (sorry, didn't find a switch or something)
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[17:04:33] dekarl-work: stuartm --no-warn-search-mismatch Normally ld will give a warning if it finds an incompatible library during a library search. This option silences the warning.
[17:04:51] dekarl-work: from http://linux.die.net/man/1/ld
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[17:28:38] stuartm: I know why it's warning, and it's not a problem with where the libs live, I'd just like a way to disable it but I can't find where or if it's possible
[17:28:48] stuartm: dekarl: thanks
[17:29:36] stuartm: ld searches both lib and lib64 for 64bit builds, and my distro doesn't use lib32
[17:36:23] stuartm: just need to figure out where to include that in the build :)
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[18:17:01] stuartm: all that work and our coverity defect count only dropped from 81 to 73, they've added new tests and there are 47 new defects
[18:17:26] stuartm: not a happy bunny
[18:29:36] jheizer: :(
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[18:34:06] jheizer: I was trying to clean up compiler warning here a little while ago. Found that we were exceeding the max so every time I fixed one a new one appeared.
[18:34:12] jheizer: So I know how you feel.
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[18:51:07] stuartm: worse, most of the 'new' issues are false positives – they warn than rand()/random() are not random enough and that you should use /dev/urandom or /dev/random
[18:51:31] stuartm: gcc and llvm both use /dev/urandom for there implementation of rand/random()
[18:51:45] stuartm: their
[18:53:27] ** stuartm closes every one as 'False Positive' with a link in the comments to the relevant part of gcc/llvm sources **
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[19:02:12] jheizer: Damn, waste of time.
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