| Thursday, May 8th, 2014, 00:25 UTC | ||
| [00:25:04] | jya: | dekarl: I got ffserver to work has a rtsp server, but it split the audio and video into two streams rather that leave the data muxed as it already is... |
| [00:25:10] | jya: | so myth can’t record that one |
| [00:45:02] | gigem: | tgm4883: Thanks for checking. I wonder if it has to do with mpeg2 decoding having to be done in software. I thought I'd tried some h264 recordings I had but perhaps I need to try again. |
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| [01:07:06] | tgm4883: | gigem: my recordings from my hdhr prime should be mpeg2 |
| [01:07:08] | tgm4883: | so IDK |
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| [01:44:16] | gigem: | tgm4883: My guess is it's the sw decoding. I tried a couple of old, h264 recordings, and while the jump into the middle of a gop problem still appeared to exist, it was much quicker in doing so, probably due to the hw decoding. Now, if I can just get some basic deinterlacing, even plain ol'd bob would be sufficient, it will make an acceptable, secondary frontend for my parents. |
| [01:44:45] | gigem: | The AFTV with XBMC, that is. |
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| [05:43:50] | dekarl: | gigem, over here we sometimes have movies and their repeat back-to-back. Normaly it goes 20:15 Movie A, then Movie B, repeat Movie A, repeat Movie B. but sometimes due to length or age restrictions (some movie only past x o'clock) the movies run A,B,B,something else. So recording the second showing would be nice here, too. |
| [05:44:43] | dekarl: | But a different use case is that I have 5 minutes pre-roll plus 5 minutes of start-early that would allow a failing recording to be stopped after up to 9 minutes and tried again. |
| [05:45:02] | dekarl: | Are both of these cases handled with the proposed change? |
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| [06:09:37] | dekarl: | tgm4883: can xbmc playback at 0.9 speed? That's what I do when I start to watch an in-progress recording so I can build up "ad skipping buffer" ;) |
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| [06:13:15] | dekarl: | jya, meh. splitting into separate streams was not expected... I have mythtranscode outputting Matroska instead of MPEG-PS on my list. (So we can keep the language tags on audio stream intact, etc). I'm wondering if we could record such "multiple streams" stuff into a Matroska container, too. |
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| [07:59:58] | ** stuarta yawns ** | |
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| [08:12:39] | dekarl: | stuarta, can you add a branch to the buildbot? I looked into it but wasn't sure how to so it without duplication lots of configuration. The branch is devel/iptv. jya, have you pushed that branch already? |
| [08:13:53] | stuarta: | dekarl: sure |
| [08:15:49] | ** stuarta fiddles ** | |
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| [08:22:22] | stuarta: | dekarl: it is a lot of duplication of config btw |
| [08:25:04] | dekarl: | ok, after pushing commits after commit without seeing a change to collect warnings (msvc and unit tests) I though I'd ask before copy'n'pasting like mad... Need to get back to the warnings once I understand the buildbots better |
| [08:25:08] | dekarl: | ty |
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| [08:27:20] | stuarta: | i think there must be a better way of prepping this config file |
| [08:27:24] | stuarta: | make config |
| [08:31:16] | warpme: | gigem: regarding 9f353cc2: basic on this commit msg it reverts efea2ba – but efea2ba nerver was in 0.27. By this commit 9f353cc2 lefts 0.27 code in diferent state. Basically signalMonitorDeadline = curRecording->GetScheduledEndTime(); is now replaced by curRecording->GetRecordingEndTime(); |
| [08:31:42] | warpme: | s/basic/basing/ |
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| [08:37:15] | warpme: | gigem: also aefe1e3c89 in master does the same thing (reverts efea2ba but also makes change in code) |
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| [08:37:44] | stuarta: | dekarl: done |
| [08:41:52] | dekarl: | jya: -^ stuarta: ty |
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| [09:52:06] | warpme: | paul-h: regarding mythmusic screensaver – I would love to see setting for 4 variants: off; on except visualizers; on except fs-visualisers; always on. minimyth2 has whole power save based on screensaver. It also has 2 deployment scenarios: TV audio reparated & TV audio combined. Propsed 4 variants will cover all minimyth2 usage scenarios. |
| [09:53:24] | warpme: | s/reparated/separated/ |
| [09:58:30] | warpme: | I have Q regarding possible functionality enhacement regarding watch list: is it possible to enhance it for "last watched shows". Use case is when user watches 1 move during few evenings (due lack of time to see whole move in single evening)? |
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| [10:01:36] | warpme: | s/move/movie/ (damn, this keyb kills me) |
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| [10:11:48] | stuartm: | warpme: I don't see why not, I was thinking of adding a filter to list only recordings with bookmarks (more than ~5 minutes in) for that very reason |
| [10:14:37] | warpme: | stuartm: that would be perfect. Also having configurable sort order (start from newest or oldest) on such list would be nice :-) |
| [10:20:18] | warpme: | paul-h: regarding #11719 – yes. it is still present on 0.27-fixes. |
| [10:20:18] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11719 ** | |
| [10:21:17] | stuarta: | where does alcor derive it's name from? the programming language? the star? somewhere else? |
| [10:25:17] | ** stuarta decides if we ever replace alcor with a new machine, we call it mizar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizar_(star) ** | |
| [10:32:38] | stuartm: | heh |
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| [11:20:07] | warpme: | dekarl: just quick Q regarging unicable in master: is it possible to modify DB upgrade code to not break upgrade when user of pre-master with applied #9726 upgrades to master?. Currently upgrade process fails and user has 2 choices: remove scr_* fields in DB or manually increase DBschema to 1324 :-( |
| [11:20:07] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9726 ** | |
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| [13:10:37] | ** jya_ VLC compiled with ffmpeg and live555 in debug mode… finally.... ** | |
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| [13:15:42] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [13:21:31] | jya_: | hmmmmm… doesn’t help me debug :( evrything appear to be compiled as external module which get loaded at run time… so gdb has no clue on how to debug those |
| [13:22:08] | stuarta: | does it strip the modules when it installs them? |
| [13:23:13] | jya_: | well, i made sure the strip binary does nothing just in case i missed one :) |
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| [14:26:38] | dekarl: | warpme: I like the question. But I think we never did that so I have no source to copycat from. |
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| [14:29:03] | tgm4883: | dekarl: you mean the dev mailing list? |
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| [14:46:42] | gigem: | warpme: efea2ba was effectively included as part of 68b7749d when I had to manually resolve the conflict. The code change left behind in each branch was intended. That's the fix for failed recordings that (re)start during the end-late period. |
| [14:55:33] | gigem: | dekarl: If the failure is detected sufficiently(*) before the later showing is to start, it will be rescheduled. (*)Approximately equal to your rescheduling time. The problem that isn't handled is when the failure is detected after the later showing is would have started. That's because the scheduler doesn't automatically keep trying to reschedule things after they've been 'handled'. Many years ago, it |
| [14:55:35] | gigem: | accidentally did that and it led to strange behavior. The solution might be to do that on a very limited basis, but I'll need to think about it some more. If I don't do anything in a few days, remind me about it. |
| [14:59:39] | dekarl: | gigem sounds good |
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| [15:35:49] | warpme: | dekarl: I'm little lost with "But I think we never did that so I have no source to copycat from" statement. Only thing wich should be done for 027 unicable users migrating to master is conditional DB upgrade code. Something like "ADD COLUMN IF NOT EXISTS" in sql upgrade statements... |
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| [15:39:04] | jya_: | dekarl: something else i’ve just noticed... |
| [15:39:23] | jya_: | the iptvstreamhandler makes no attempt to ever resolve hostname…. |
| [15:39:34] | ** stuarta facepalms ** | |
| [15:39:41] | jya_: | so if the url contains a hostname instead of an ip address, it will just not work |
| [15:40:18] | jya_: | maybe that’s why my stuff isnt working , i was attempting to send my rtcp to a null address |
| [15:41:04] | jya_: | the funny thing is that it worked at least once in over 10 run |
| [15:41:28] | jya_: | maybe that’s what the freebox user are seeing, the rtsp url isn’t an ip address |
| [15:42:48] | dekarl: | Warpme, if you read the logs. I'm not sure if there already is a schema upgrade that tests if it hase already be applied that I could copy the code from. |
| [15:43:13] | dekarl: | usually we say "if you apply it manually you get to unapply it manually before updating" and thats it |
| [15:43:58] | dekarl: | But I understand that an automatic update would be nice. Many users applied that schema change years ago... |
| [15:44:20] | dekarl: | jya_ whoops. |
| [15:45:53] | dekarl: | stuartm: ohh, we support banners (only for seasons/series or also for movies?) https://github.com/sammyjayuk/Anita_dev/blob/ . . . wbanners.png |
| [15:45:53] | dekarl: | I'd love to see them in the guide, now that its populated with proper inetrefs (well, my guide id :D |
| [15:45:57] | dekarl: | s/id/is/ |
| [15:46:41] | ** dekarl needs to learn python so he can extend our metadata grabbers to pull pictures from fanart.tv ** | |
| [15:46:45] | jya_: | danielk just replied to one of my query, and he said that there was about 12 patches left to apply for iptv to work, and that he pointed them to jpabq …. any ideas what this is about ? |
| [15:47:06] | jya_: | dekarl: go and learn python, see you in 5 minutes |
| [15:47:07] | dekarl: | more bling for the xbmc fans :) |
| [15:47:35] | jya_: | need to extend our grabber to be as flexible as xbmc for finding content |
| [15:47:42] | jya_: | it’s very poor in comparison to xbmc |
| [15:48:09] | dekarl: | jya_: I'm working on moving the content matching upstream (aka the guide service) |
| [15:48:25] | jya_: | what’s that? |
| [15:48:39] | dekarl: | allows sexy things like banners in the program guide without having to lookup each and every program |
| [15:48:50] | jya_: | i posted in the user-list some things i didn’t like about the metadata and how th euser is prompted |
| [15:49:03] | dekarl: | jya_ you are talking about mythvideo? |
| [15:49:07] | jya_: | yes |
| [15:49:31] | dekarl: | Ahh, I'm thinking about the tvguide service -> EPG -> recording rule -> recording data flow |
| [15:50:10] | dekarl: | but I agree the usability of the metadata matching in mythvideo... has lots of potential for improvement |
| [15:50:11] | jya_: | i can never manage to remember where to go and edit the metadata for the recordings |
| [15:50:19] | jya_: | it’s the most unintuitive thing ever |
| [15:50:36] | jya_: | so what i do is set the tvdb# in mythweb |
| [15:50:57] | dekarl: | inetref/tvdb# is the series id |
| [15:51:11] | dekarl: | do you set it on the recording rule? |
| [15:51:51] | stuartm: | dekarl: we support banners for everything if they are available, generally though tmdb doesn't supply them |
| [15:52:37] | stuartm: | what we don't support atm, but I have an unfinished patch for, is banners/coverart etc within the recording/group list |
| [15:52:39] | dekarl: | stuartm, themoviedb can have banners? That's new to me |
| [15:52:42] | jya_: | jpabq: what iptv patches is danielk referring to ? |
| [15:53:12] | stuartm: | dekarl: "generally though tmdb doesn't supply them" should be "tmdb doesn't supply them" |
| [15:53:54] | dekarl: | ok... so we should just pick them up from fanart.tv (they are indexed under the movie id from themoviedb, should be straight forward) |
| [15:54:57] | dekarl: | I was just wondering as their are banners for Harry Potter and Babel (the 2006 movie) in the screenshot |
| [15:55:04] | stuartm: | dekarl: the themer behind that theme is just manually replacing the preview images with the banners, we don't actually have the code in master/0.27 to do exactly what he's demonstrating |
| [15:55:05] | dekarl: | s/their/there/ |
| [15:55:17] | dekarl: | oh, I see |
| [15:56:05] | stuartm: | I started adding it a couple of weeks back after he asked for it, but I've since been too busy to finish it |
| [15:56:26] | dekarl: | So where are all the Python hackers that just waiting to provide metadata addons to make MythFE as sexy as XBMC? (I tried that Python thing and we did not get along) |
| [15:56:58] | stuartm: | it's similar in concept to what I demoed for mythvideo – http://mythtv.co.uk/imagebin/concept%234_video_series.jpg |
| [15:57:09] | stuartm: | http://mythtv.co.uk/imagebin/concept%235_video_films.jpg |
| [15:57:37] | dekarl: | I like it |
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| [15:58:44] | ** dekarl is tooting the fanart.tv horn because it uses the same primary keys as our current default databases, so no action would be needed on the users part to get more shiny pictures for existing content ** | |
| [15:59:09] | stuarta: | bling++ |
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| [16:01:32] | stuartm: | I might try to finish off the fanart patch in the next couple of days |
| [16:05:40] | stuartm: | although I've said that sort of thing so many times now that you'd be forgiven for doubting me :) |
| [16:06:20] | stuarta: | i've stopped saying what i want to implement. i'll start again when i see some flying pigs |
| [16:06:35] | dekarl: | I just say "its on the list" ;) |
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| [16:16:57] | jmusits: | thanks for all the info/input dekarl & skd5aner |
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| [16:34:04] | jpabq: | jya: I found an email from december of 2012....I think he is talking about some stuff that got "lost" when he merged his rtp branch back into master. I will try to dig deeper. |
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| [16:53:31] | tgm4883: | dekarl: not sure what you mean about the metadata addons. I don't think there are issues with the mythtv metadata grabber. The only real issue I have with it is just some developer choices that I disagree with (which is fine) |
| [16:54:51] | tgm4883: | on the other hand, XBMC did find metadata for almost every single one of my movies. Choked on about 1% of my videos |
| [16:55:04] | dekarl: | tgm4883: one selling point of xbmc was that its easy peasy to creat addons in python compared to starting a new plugin for mythtv. I wonder why we are not seeing more contributions to the spots where we have easy extendability |
| [16:55:34] | tgm4883: | dekarl: TBH, where is the easy extendability of myth? |
| [17:02:11] | jheizer_: | tgm4883, MythNetvision come to mind first |
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| [17:02:45] | tgm4883: | jheizer: perhaps |
| [17:14:24] | dekarl: | I think writing a grabber for the metadata api shouldn't be to hard http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format |
| [17:14:58] | dekarl: | and intetref + subtitle search would be nice, too |
| [17:15:37] | dekarl: | s/and/an/... e.g. -D "inetref" "episode title" |
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| [18:42:33] | stuartm: | dekarl: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=147 |
| [18:48:42] | stuartm: | stuarta: someone in the forum noted that it isn't yet showing up in google searches, any thoughts? |
| [18:51:32] | stuartm: | ah, seems it is there if you search by it's name "mythtv official community" but not if you search "mythtv forum(s)" ... guess google ain't that smart :/ |
| [18:58:54] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: The official forum is also referenced in the wiki (and when I edited the wiki, I added it first, just to be sure), so at least for me, the big G shows the wiki article as the first result when I search for "MythTV forum", and if you go there, the official forum is the first entry.... |
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| [19:01:31] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: On the other hand, G does influence the results based on your recent search history. So if I use an incognito window, mythtvtalk does show first. Clearly you need more people to go to the right place, so google decides that you want the official forum results higher in the result list. |
| [19:01:44] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: yeah, it's second result here after mythtvtalk, but I'm just curious as to why the actual forum doesn't seem to appear |
| [19:02:38] | stuartm: | it's catch 22, it has to appear high enough in the results for people to click on it and push it higher :) |
| [19:03:52] | stuartm: | I've re-added 'Forum' to the title, even though that causes a redundant "Welcome to the Official MythTV Community Forum forum" |
| [19:04:01] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: SEO (pick your preferred way to buy your way to the top) |
| [19:04:22] | stuartm: | yup, I hate SEO and all it stands for :( |
| [19:05:06] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: "Think of the children" (being supported by their parents clicking on links in certain countries). |
| [19:07:46] | dekarl: | stuartm I've seen it and started to look into it, but IIRC its been solved on one of the english channels already |
| [19:08:00] | dekarl: | need to connect the answer to the query though |
| [19:08:47] | stuartm: | dekarl: if it's already been solved that's great, but it would be good if the very first german posting doesn't appear unanswered :) |
| [19:09:36] | stuartm: | to build a community around the forums we need to give the illusion that one already exists |
| [19:10:04] | stuartm: | and my German is limited to a few basic nouns, pronouns and verbs :) |
| [19:11:34] | dekarl: | ahh, I notice the absence of proverbs on your list ;) |
| [19:12:37] | stuartm: | ;) |
| [19:14:04] | tgm4883: | stuartm: how about "Forum title: Forum Announcement – Welcome to the Official Forum for MythTV Community Forum forum" |
| [19:14:28] | tgm4883: | subtitle: Did we mention this is a forum? |
| [19:14:34] | stuartm: | !trout tgm4883 |
| [19:14:34] | ** MythLogBot slaps tgm4883 with a trout on behalf of stuartm... ** | |
| [19:15:24] | tgm4883: | yea, I probably deserve that after starting the holy war |
| [19:15:52] | dekarl: | its more of an unholy war ;) |
| [19:16:02] | stuartm: | I stopped reading the -users list again a couple of months ago, didn't have time to keep up with it |
| [19:18:17] | gary_buhrmaster: | tgm4883: A forum is a forum, of course, of course. And no one can post to a forum of course. That is, of course, unless the forum, is the famous MythTV Official Community Forum (of course, of course?) |
| [19:28:50] | dekarl: | we could ask the marketing department to spam blogs with <a href="https://forum.mythtv.org/">MythTV Forum</a> "contributions" |
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| [19:40:03] | stuartm: | yeah, let's not do that ;) |
| [19:41:58] | stuartm: | could install https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=691165 |
| [19:42:23] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I though you were going to fire your marketing department after their lack of promotion of all the great features that the MythTV FE has had for years that XBMC is now promoting as "new, and improved"? |
| [19:43:19] | stuartm: | but honestly I'm not sure what value such redirects actually gives – search engines in 2014 aren't so dumb that they rate 'static' pages higher than dynamic ones, surely? |
| [19:47:02] | stuartm: | we really should create our own features page that lists every single feature of MythTV, including extensive lists of codecs, video resolutions and other things that we might not think to boast about (but everyone else does) |
| [19:48:26] | stuartm: | and when I say we should, I don't mean maybe sometime, I mean let's start getting those things down on a temporary wiki page tonight which I can then move to the website when I'm back |
| [19:48:38] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: pigeon ranking probably does http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html They do not like being redirected (they want their bread crumbs now, dammit). |
| [19:52:24] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: And (for the forgetful, like me), look at the wiki release notes for the key new features features. |
| [19:54:04] | stuartm: | OK, a very very basic start but let's build this up – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Features |
| [19:54:06] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: skimming those release notes, I admit to have forgotten many of those features having been added (many I do not use, but still, others do). |
| [19:57:22] | stuartm: | I must admit I need help with even the basic features, trying to list all supported codecs/containers my brain started to stall :) |
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| [20:45:18] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: ahh, that's the good old fire and hide tactic |
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| [21:27:08] | gigem: | jpabq: Do you intend to push the Ceton patch you sent me? I hope to do a little more testing this evening and then push my multtirec changes. |
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| [21:28:58] | paul-h: | stuartm: thanks for updating the forum title :) |
| [21:29:06] | stuartm: | np |
| [21:30:02] | stuartm: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12127#comment:2 << It's like wading through treacle uphill ... |
| [21:34:48] | stuartm: | paul-h: as you may have noticed I've moved it up a little to give it more prominence |
| [21:36:13] | paul-h: | Yeah I noticed good idea |
| [21:36:39] | paul-h: | Just hope we get some suggestions now |
| [21:38:01] | dekarl: | should the forum hint at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist ? |
| [21:38:22] | stuartm: | other way around |
| [21:38:29] | stuartm: | forum is replacing the wiki page |
| [21:39:14] | stuartm: | much better medium, each request and it's discussion is contained, we can (if necessary) lock individual threads etc |
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| [21:45:26] | jpabq: | gigem: I can. Only reason I didn't is because *I* have no way to test it. If you say it works, then I will. |
| [21:54:03] | dekarl: | stuartm, then we should mark the pages as outdated and move the "how to make a suggestion" part to a sticky? |
| [21:54:47] | dekarl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:Ready_for_deletion ; ) |
| [21:55:10] | stuartm: | dekarl: sounds like a good idea |
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| [22:36:29] | gigem: | jpabq: Go ahead and push it. I will try to test it tomorrow. |
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| [23:29:25] | skd5aner: | so, speaking of tracking "feature requests" – I think I'm starting to agree with jya... maybe trac is a good place for them |
| [23:29:36] | skd5aner: | I think we can all agree that the mailing list, and the wiki, is less than ideal |
| [23:29:50] | skd5aner: | forums, better than the previous solutions |
| [23:30:32] | skd5aner: | I always wanted to deploy a true crowdsource feature request system, but the one good open source one (ideatorrent) is long dead... |
| [23:30:52] | skd5aner: | why not just let people put them in trac, have a category called "feature requests", and even encourage discussion there? |
| [23:31:12] | skd5aner: | if it becomes reality, it can be assigned and switched to a task |
| [23:31:34] | skd5aner: | then when/if the feature gets work on it, you can track the commits. All in one place |
| [23:39:07] | skd5aner: | Also – is anyone willing to draw a line in the sand on this the OpenGL only argument? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/568615#568615 is there really any reason to cater to legacy hardware that can't support OpenGL – and if so, which hardware specifically? Wasn't this what smolt was supposed to help provide guidance on? |
| [23:48:35] | knightr: | I better not write what I am thinking right now... |
| [23:50:09] | skd5aner: | knightr: oh, what's the worse that can happen? healthy debate? |
| [23:50:10] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [23:50:33] | knightr: | between devs, that's the .... idea I ever saw to fight on the -users ml... |
| [23:50:40] | knightr: | between devs... |
| [23:51:02] | skd5aner: | ?? the feature request thing? |
| [23:51:35] | knightr: | no, the 3.1415927... thing... |
| [23:51:51] | skd5aner: | oh, the opengl thing |
| [23:51:57] | skd5aner: | oh |
| [23:51:58] | skd5aner: | pi |
| [23:51:59] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [23:52:10] | skd5aner: | rpi, I'm guessing |
| [23:52:16] | knightr: | yep... |
| [23:52:37] | skd5aner: | eh... |
| [23:52:40] | skd5aner: | I see it as a toy |
| [23:52:54] | skd5aner: | if someone can make it work, great... but what do you expect for $35? |
| [23:53:20] | skd5aner: | we have 0 users who use it... so trying to cater to it is kind of worthless, imho |
| [23:54:13] | knightr: | maybe but it's an advantage the competition has.. |
| [23:54:28] | knightr: | but no need to fight between devs on the -users ml.. |
| [23:55:10] | skd5aner: | :) |
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