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Monday, February 24th, 2014, 00:02 UTC
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[05:17:09] 17SAAIG1X: stichnot not here :(
[05:17:28] 17SAAIG1X: what username is that thing using ...
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[05:18:11] jya_: test
[05:18:13] jya_: better
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[06:46:06] jya_: anyone knows about mythplayer and how FF and RW are handled?
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[08:27:23] jya_: taylorr: what is the purpose of MythPlayer::ffrew_skip ?
[08:28:19] jya_: is that the number of frames we have to skip every frame ?
[08:29:25] jya_: seems it can have three values: -1, 0 or 1
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[09:39:09] stuarta: morning all
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[11:35:23] stuartm: morning
[11:39:46] stuarta: morning to you too
[11:41:47] stuartm: almost afternoon
[11:44:35] stuarta: :-)
[11:49:00] dekarl: Can I call MetadataDownload::GetMovieGrabber() from mythfilldatabase to figure out if the movie inetref should be an id from themoviedb? (and similar for series) I'd like to avoid filling the inetref with ids from different providers for e.g. our french users with the allocine grabber...
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[12:40:29] wagnerrp_: dekarl: there is currently no mechanism for determining what grabber an inetref belongs to
[12:41:10] wagnerrp_: that's been something i've wanted to do for a while, have the library prepend some identifier, or just the name of the script, so the inetref is always pulled properly
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[13:00:21] stuartm: identifier would be better since you may end up with two or more different scripts targeting different versions or endpoints on an API e.g. tmdb.py vs tmdb3.py, or tmdb_json.ruby
[13:09:45] dekarl: I though program_type=movie and/or season/episode=0 hints at "its the movie grabber" and program_type=series and/or season/episode !=0 hints at "its the series grabber". Which both could be "tmdb-with-series.pl"
[13:11:12] dekarl: doing it right gets way more complex... I can provide a bag of identifiers with movies/series. e.g. tmdb/imdb for movies and tvdb/tv.com/SD/imdb for series/episode, what should I put into the one and only field?
[13:11:59] dekarl: also allowing many movies sites appears to carry the imdb id of the movies and could pull data via this reference even though they have an unrelated primary key
[13:12:27] dekarl: for now I was thinking of simply putting that data we have with recordings/videos into the guide, too.
[13:12:47] dekarl: and as we only ship tmdb for movies and tvdb for series restrict it to that
[13:14:01] stuartm: dekarl: the identifier would be per id, i.e. if we're storing an IMDB id of 123456, it becomes IMDB123345
[13:15:05] dekarl: stuartm: but what do we gain from that prefix?
[13:15:51] stuartm: dekarl: the grabber know which source it's utilising and that goes for xmltv too
[13:16:42] stuartm: for xmltv, assuming you can extend the standard, it could be indicated as a argument e.g. <id scheme="imdb">123456</id>
[13:20:51] dekarl: http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv . . . dtd?view=log
[13:20:56] dekarl: that's the easy part
[13:21:20] dekarl: but how should I write the (e.g.) five ids into the database?
[13:21:57] dekarl: either way, got to leave for the toddler playing group
[13:24:36] stuartm: dekarl: that bit I wouldn't worry about so much atm, just write the tmdb/tvdb ID for now and we can support multiple identifiers in the future – which I now realise was your original question, how to know which ID to insert?
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[15:34:26] taylorr: jya_: ffrew_skip should be the amount of frames we skip when fast forwarding and rewinding... look at UpdateFFRewSkip which sets this value based upon the play speed selected
[15:39:26] taylorr: ffrew_skip is one when playing a normal and 3x speed
[15:44:11] taylorr: ffrew_skip is zero when paused and negative when rewinding
[15:44:49] taylorr: probably should be commented somewhere... it's a bit confusing at first glance
[15:48:31] taylorr: the ffrew_skip value isn't limited to -1, 0 or 1.
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[16:18:41] stuarta: for shits n giggles i'm converting my dev box to f20+qt5 to see what breaks
[16:22:51] warpme: jya_: some feedback on recent (current master) LiveTV improvements. I tested it on 0.27-fixes with VERY good results regarding program transitions. Now they are seems to be predictable and v.short (max. 50–100msec freeze on all channels). Original 0.27-fixes has usually 200–500msec – but on some channels freeze can take exactly 15sec. On negative side (t.b.c) I see higher sensitivity of LiveTV playback smoothness to CPU load. Namelly: if I la
[16:22:51] warpme: CPU intensive task (i.e. compilation) on headless BE – LiveTV on remote FE starts to stutter. I hadn't such effect on original 0.27. Is it possible that Your improvements are much more prone to CPU availability on BE?
[16:29:11] warpme: jya_: I'll investigate playback smoothness-CPU load issue. My BE process already runs in cgroup container with +2 priority.
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[16:43:10] warpme: stuarta: I'm pretty impressed what they do with f20. Really like it...Wonder how it will go as dev platform for myth.
[16:51:54] stuarta: yeah, it's not too bad
[16:52:14] stuarta: the other dev machine on my desk (the mini mac) is running it too
[16:56:26] stuarta: hmpf, crashed it
[16:56:49] stuarta: but not even an oops, just a hard crash and restart
[16:56:56] stuarta: nvidia.modules--
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[17:10:10] warpme: stuarta: maybe disabling MSI can help?
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[17:17:38] stuarta: warpme: things went a little bit pear shaped on the f19 -> f20 upgrade
[17:17:56] stuarta: been putting things back together since :-)
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[17:27:30] dekarl: I'd like to clean up these things with my schema change to add the inetref, any opinions? http://pastebin.com/rR4LgVns
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[17:29:08] dekarl: git grep didn't show any use besides the creation of new recording templates which is used for moving the values over to the default template in schema change 1302
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[17:37:28] warpme: interesting: regarding LiveTV stuttering when CPU is loaded. I just launched 1 rec, 1 LiveTV and make -j5 and LiveTV stutter begins. But when I killed realtime commflaging – I can have 7xHD rec, 1xLiveTV HD and make -j5 and no stuttering. Interesting as realtime commflaging process receives practically 0% CPU (it has priority -15). Despite that – killing it seems remove stuttering...
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[17:48:41] dekarl: oh my, thats (one of the reasons) why everyone hates gcc... they collect bugs for decades and can't be bothered to remove MTA spam that's half of the content... http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=323
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[18:46:51] stuartm: only just noticed that for the last few hours I was the only one in #mythtv – seems holmes.freenode.net was annexed from the rest of the network :)
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[18:50:40] stuartm: dekarl: prefDupMethod isn't unused?
[18:52:11] stuartm: [71c65ba67]
[18:52:18] stuartm: bah, stupid bot
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[18:54:12] stuartm: and if it is, then the locale defaults configs are all broken :/
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[19:28:07] dekarl: stuartm: I thought so, too. but try git grep \\bprefDupMethod\\b
[19:29:13] dekarl: oh my
[19:29:19] stuartm: libs/libmythtv/recordingrule.cpp ln 47
[19:29:25] dekarl: thaht should have been git grep \\bAutoTranscode\\b
[19:29:44] dekarl: that's where I got all settings to remove from :D
[19:30:14] dekarl: its the function that is used in dbcheck to create the default recording rule template from the old settings
[19:30:59] dekarl: hmm, I can doxify that methods comment
[19:31:02] stuartm: prefDupMethod is slightly different from the others, it's _set_ by the locale config to establish a different default for each country (subthendesc works much better in most countries than subanddesc)
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[19:32:10] stuartm: although future rules should use the value in the template, the original template should use the value from the locale config
[19:32:16] dekarl: Ahh, now I see it :)
[19:32:37] Tobbe5178: dekarl: do you know if m3u import is broken in 0.27-fixes ?
[19:32:47] dekarl: though all locales set it to 8, need to look at the default
[19:33:32] dekarl: Tobbe5178: IPTV? I have heard so before but can't remember where, is that with every playlist?
[19:33:48] Tobbe5178: yes iptv
[19:33:53] Tobbe5178: what i get is: ChanImport: Found 65 channels
[19:34:02] Tobbe5178: and then nothing ends up in the channel table
[19:34:04] Tobbe5178: at all
[19:34:07] stuartm: so removing it shouldn't break existing setups if they have a valid default template, but it's also pointless since it will continue to be created on all new setups :)
[19:34:11] Tobbe5178: it used to work in 0.26
[19:34:34] stuartm: and we would need to continue loading it from the database when creating the default template
[19:34:40] dekarl: stuartm, looks like the default is kDupCheckSubDesc => 6, so prefDupMethod could still be useful... but the settings GUI is gone :/
[19:35:15] stuartm: dekarl: the gui never existed, it was purely meant to be something that was controlled by the locale xml file
[19:36:09] dekarl: stuartm, ahh, sounds like it should not have landed on my list in the first place. I'll remove it. Any thoughts on the other settings?
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[19:38:51] dekarl: Tobbe5178: so its different from https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11963 ?
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[19:39:53] dekarl: do you maybe get errors like mentioned here? https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10553
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[19:41:45] Tobbe5178: dekarl: it looks more like the first one but not exactly the same
[19:41:57] Tobbe5178: first ticket sounds like they get something but i dont get anything at all
[19:42:42] dekarl: can you pastebin the beginning of the playlist? (just 2–3 channels)
[19:43:15] Tobbe5178: with -v chanscan it says: "Estimating there are 0 channels in playlist" "Found 0 channels" "ChanImport: Found 65 channels"
[19:43:27] Tobbe5178: in the log
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[20:23:24] Tobbe5178: dekarl: i've traced the problem a bit, if you specify an http url for the m3u file only the first line is downloaded
[20:23:34] Tobbe5178: if you use a file:/// url it works
[20:23:46] Tobbe5178: so something is broken with the downloading of the http url
[20:24:10] Tobbe5178: so bug must be in IPTVChannelFetcher::DownloadPlaylist() somewere
[20:27:16] Tobbe5178: my suspicion goes to this commit as the cause of the problem: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/1c8e3 . . . 6893b29d6725
[20:27:36] stuartm: dekarl: less sure about those, gigem should know better than I do
[20:28:01] stuartm: I only knew about prefDupMethod since I added it in the first place
[20:33:53] Tobbe5178: i've created a new ticket (bug) for this #12077
[20:33:53] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12077 **
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[20:50:40] dekarl: Tobbe5178: hmm, can you attach the playlist in question to the ticket? there are some issues with specific playlist styles and I'd like to a) rule them out b) collect some specimen
[21:01:41] Tobbe5178: dekarl: ok
[21:05:15] Tobbe5178: didnt work
[21:05:17] Tobbe5178: "Submission rejected as potential spam (TypePad says content is spam, Maximum number of external links per post exceeded, LinkSleeve says this is spam)"
[21:07:47] Tobbe5178: dekarl: i'll send it to you via email instead
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[22:41:14] jya: taylorr: thanks for that... I thought it was limited to -1,0 and 1 as all the code reading that value seems to test upon those three values
[22:42:27] jya: warpme: I can't think of a single reason why it would be more sensitive to CPU usage; except that now you are closer to live, and as such more dependent on getting your data in a timely fashion...
[22:43:43] jya: I will however reduces the buffer size so it doesn't have to wait as long. By default the reader uses 1MB block... IMHO, that's way too much. On a SD DVB-T stream of 3Mbit/s, we're looking at a 3s duration to fill that block...
[22:44:22] jya: those big buffers were put in place in order to allow playback of some media (like HD mkv over wifi). But for liveTV we're never going to see those bitrates.
[22:44:32] jya: so can probably test and have a special case for livetv
[22:46:56] jya: warpme: you can have commflagging working while watching liveTV ? hmm... that would be a pita. I made some specific design choice in my fixing of seeking in liveTV assuming you never have to check for automatic cuts in there
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[23:50:34] gigem: Trying to catch up on IRC a little. I'm sure I missed some things.
[23:51:11] gigem: dekarl: What's the ticket number for your settings/template issue?
[23:52:18] dekarl: gigem http://pastebin.com/LuYfgNmY
[23:52:35] gigem: jya: One of the reasons for preferring direct file access over backend streaming was to avoid an extra network copy when the files were on a separate NFS server. NFS => BE => FE vs. NFS => FW.
[23:54:29] dekarl: I'm cleaning up local changes to get them commited, on is the removal of settings that you remove almost 2 years ago :)
[23:54:42] jya: gigem: while honourable. from what I'm seeing, NFS now only adds trouble to the picture: higher latency, too long refresh of metadata.. the myth protocol is far more lightweight than nfs
[23:54:54] dekarl: gigem, oh my 1 in the morning over here. so many typos
[23:56:12] gigem: dekarl: Ah, okay. One other change should be made. That is remove the references in the RecordingRule ctor and put them in dbcheck.cpp as part of the 1302 schema update. Then, they are truly gone and no longer referenced after that schema update.
[23:56:48] gigem: dekarl: :) Go to bed. I'm going to dinner anyway.
[23:58:33] dekarl: gigem: aye captain ;) I think the cleanup of the constructor can go in without an additional schema change though

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