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| [10:17:57] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [10:18:51] | buu: | HELLO STUART |
| [10:19:51] | stuarta: | ouch, shouting hurts my head |
| [10:21:21] | ** stuarta has a headache ** | |
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| [10:37:24] | buu: | =[ |
| [10:37:32] | buu: | Also if you're awake apparently it means I need to go to sleep |
| [10:39:42] | stuarta: | :-p |
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| [16:57:46] | knightr: | 11949 |
| [16:57:52] | knightr: | oops... |
| [16:58:46] | knightr: | wouldn't #11949 be more in jya's court? it is attributed to the Capt... |
| [16:58:46] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11949 ** | |
| [16:59:16] | knightr: | The guy who submitted it does a lot to help French speaking people use MythTV... |
| [16:59:43] | knightr: | (he helps us for the French translation and does a lot more...) |
| [17:04:04] | dekarl: | knightr: change it to "recording" instead of "http live streaming" and see what happens :D |
| [17:04:25] | knightr: | dekarl, LOL, good point... |
| [17:04:35] | knightr: | the default attribution should change... :-) |
| [17:04:39] | knightr: | thank you! |
| [17:04:59] | jpabq: | knightr: when I have some free time, I may take a look at it, but it is difficult when I don't have an easy (or any?) wa of reproducing the problem. |
| [17:05:26] | knightr: | Season's greetings to you both BTW... |
| [17:05:42] | knightr: | thanks John! |
| [17:05:58] | jpabq: | I do seem to remember jya saying that if you change the "rtp://" to "udp://" that is might work — even though it is really a rtp. |
| [17:07:49] | knightr: | jpabq, they copied on the forum an email from the mailing list about that but it apparently did not work... |
| [17:09:04] | knightr: | (something about rtps and rtp, is rtps for Secure?) |
| [17:09:22] | knightr: | oops.. |
| [17:09:27] | knightr: | typo on their part... |
| [17:09:29] | knightr: | rstp.. |
| [17:14:35] | wagnerrp: | trsp |
| [17:14:38] | wagnerrp: | rtsp |
| [17:14:39] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [17:15:08] | wagnerrp: | real time [streaming] protocol |
| [17:15:32] | knightr: | LOL, I was modifying the ticket Raymond but you were faster than me... |
| [17:15:48] | knightr: | I saw that it was updated before I committed... |
| [17:16:11] | wagnerrp: | it won't allow you to modify it if someone else has done so after you loaded the page |
| [17:16:29] | knightr: | I know, I got the warning... |
| [17:16:56] | knightr: | but not before I had typed and modified it, it looks like it rechecks once in a while... |
| [17:17:37] | knightr: | (typed something I mean, about the me too amongst other things...) |
| [17:18:01] | wagnerrp: | i thought freebox was multicast |
| [17:18:30] | wagnerrp: | oh, that's actually his PC its connecting to |
| [17:19:06] | knightr: | nah... |
| [17:19:19] | knightr: | the URL he is using, according to the French forum post, is |
| [17:19:32] | knightr: | rtsp://mafreebox.freebox.fr/fbxtv_pub/stream? . . . ;service=376 |
| [17:19:38] | knightr: | it works in VLC... |
| [17:20:12] | wagnerrp: | that's his master backend |
| [17:20:25] | wagnerrp: | mafreebox.freebox.fr (212.27.38.253) |
| [17:20:33] | wagnerrp: | Failed to connect to (212.27.38.253:6543) |
| [17:20:47] | wagnerrp: | port 6543 is us |
| [17:22:55] | knightr: | then something must be wrong in his config or in MythTV because he wants to use that URL... |
| [17:23:04] | knightr: | and not with a port specified... |
| [17:23:23] | knightr: | so port 80 I guess or some other default for rtsp? |
| [17:24:02] | knightr: | another person says he uses it but it is almost unusable... |
| [17:24:13] | knightr: | (black screens, etc...) |
| [17:24:41] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you can use it in VLC? |
| [17:24:59] | wagnerrp: | not just repeating that he did so? |
| [17:25:15] | knightr: | but the person who used it (with bugs) was not using 0.27... |
| [17:25:25] | knightr: | just repeating, trying at the same time... |
| [17:25:38] | knightr: | I switched my PC to another language to help me learn it.. |
| [17:25:45] | knightr: | and VLC had switched as welll |
| [17:25:55] | knightr: | and I was having trouble reading the screens... |
| [17:26:23] | knightr: | if I had to guess it only works for France that URL.. |
| [17:26:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah... VLC here failed, which is what i was expecting |
| [17:26:28] | knightr: | not for other countries... |
| [17:26:43] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression it only worked for Free.fr ISP customers |
| [17:27:21] | knightr: | quit possible... |
| [17:27:25] | knightr: | quite... |
| [17:28:15] | wagnerrp: | still, considering it's only available through a single ISP, i had thought they were using multicast groups, rather than unicast addresses |
| [17:28:16] | knightr: | hmmm, you are right about that port... |
| [17:28:32] | knightr: | it tries to use our port for that stream... |
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| [19:05:13] | xris: | anyone know anything about the "MythTV Android Frontend" app? someone submitted the website contact form asking for confirmation that it's officially endorsed and I don't remember the status. |
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| [21:22:23] | stuartm: | hmm, we really need a better cd metadata lookup mechanism, I've come around to the view that freedb sucks |
| [21:27:40] | dekarl: | amen brother |
| [21:28:24] | stuartm: | xris: the basic take was that anything which was branded 'official' needed to give us some degree of veto etc – so for example we'd have the power to prevent it suddenly being turned into a paid for or ad-sponsored app, it was suggested that if going official was something they wanted to pursue that it would make sense to move to a repo under our control |
| [21:31:19] | stuartm: | not that we'd want to take ownership away from anyone, but shared access etc |
| [21:31:45] | stuartm: | dekarl: probably wouldn't be too difficult, but time ... |
| [21:31:50] | stuartm: | never enough time |
| [21:33:47] | dekarl: | well, switching to the proper musicbrainz api instead of old school freedb api would only lead to us wanting more musicbrainz integration (e.g. in the fanart domain or related to acoustic fingerprints of existing files) |
| [21:34:04] | dekarl: | but who's got the time to do it? |
| [21:34:42] | stuartm: | yeah, well iff I did tackle it, I'd only implement the basic metadata at first and leave the rest for another time |
| [21:36:44] | stuartm: | frustrated because the current freedb stuff is returning completely erroneous matches just because they have the same discid, it used to be smarter and would reject matches where the number of tracks and track lengths didn't match, but I guess that was broken at some point |
| [21:38:30] | stuartm: | however, having looked up the discid on freedb myself, there are 12 matches – 6 of which are the exact same disc but all with some sort of error in the metadata – This is a film soundtrack, but genres range from jazz, through country and newage! |
| [21:39:01] | stuartm: | in fact, not one correctly tags it as a soundtrack |
| [21:40:27] | dekarl: | hmm, then you are not using the musicbrainz mirror via freedb api but the original service? |
| [21:40:57] | stuartm: | guess so |
| [21:42:07] | dekarl: | when using the mb mirror we dump the first result (because its of genre x which we filter out when getting multiple results...) that was the issue on some ticket... |
| [21:42:19] | dekarl: | maybe you are hitting the same issue |
| [21:43:35] | stuartm: | hmm, seems we are using the musicbrainz mirror, still ending up with the wrong one being selected though |
| [21:46:13] | paul-h: | Try switching back to the original freedb the musicbrainz one doesn't support genres so all or most tracks are returned as having a misc genre |
| [21:48:07] | stuartm: | paul-h: well won't help in this case as it's returning the wrong metadata entirely, I'll take a look at implementing support for the musicbrainz API using their discid (hashing) algo |
| [21:50:00] | stuartm: | I think the 'smarts' to filter out the incorrect matches got lost when I incorporated the patches to switch from libcdaudio to libcdio |
| [21:50:38] | dekarl: | stuartm, http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mythp . . . der.cpp#n728 try removing the misc :D |
| [21:54:21] | stuartm: | actually, that's reminded me of one of the reasons I never liked music brainz ... no genre info |
| [21:55:50] | stuartm: | maybe I won't bother adding support after all, I know there are a whole host of options to choose from, but the lack of genre info _really_ did (and still does) piss me off |
| [21:59:13] | xris: | stuartm: have you looked at freebase? Plex uses it for stuff but it's a pain to browse on the web |
| [22:00:43] | xris: | and re the android app, are you saying it's *not* officially endorsed? maybe we should ask him to switch "endorsed" to "authorized" or something that shows less of "we encourage this" and more "we allow this" |
| [22:03:00] | stuartm: | xris: I'm not sure where we came down on that issue, we of course approved of it, but we wanted certain conditions to be met if we were going to let it call itself the 'official' app and use the MythTV logos |
| [22:03:21] | xris: | and from the -developers email from karl, it sounds like nothing ever happened. |
| [22:03:27] | xris: | I think I have enough info the reply to the guy who asked |
| [22:04:26] | dekarl: | stuartm, I think you can get more then boring genre from musicbrainz via the tags. a) multiple instead of one, b) more specific. see e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/00c3da9f . . . fd6313d/tags |
| [22:05:32] | dekarl: | and the tags can be on artist / release / track level so one track can have different/additional tags from the other tracks |
| [22:05:53] | stuartm: | dekarl: yeah I was aware of the 'tags', the problem with that is mapping those back to mp3 id3v2 genres (which is a system supported by all distributors) |
| [22:07:02] | stuartm: | when ripping we want to stick a single, authoritative genre into the tag so that even if you copy that file over to your mp3 player (standalone, phone, car) it has something to display |
| [22:08:22] | stuartm: | now if the tags system with musicbrainz at least ensures that the 'primary' genre is always listed first, then that's fine, but I couldn't find any indication of that in the documentation when I last looked (some years ago) |
| [22:08:29] | dekarl: | I need to look at picard and see how its done over there, basically we want to collect the acoustic ids when ripping and tag like picard anyway |
| [22:09:24] | dekarl: | iiuic our ripper could be the first ever with proper musicbrainz integration (collect disc id, acoustic fingerprints, etc. then apply tags) |
| [22:11:46] | stuartm: | and not that I don't appreciate more detailed tagging, but I like to create playlists using genre, and having fewer but less specific genres makes that easier than selecting all sub-genres individually – so I'd have to see how that goes for a few discs from my collection first :) |
| [22:13:34] | paul-h: | I have an API key for MythTV at AccoutID by the way just not looked at using it yet. That's the way I was going to go with adding MusicBrainz support |
| [22:14:42] | stuartm: | dekarl, paul-h: we should look at it from both a fully integrated, and a script based API as we're using for mythvideo, the latter does at least give people the option of more easily supporting additional or alternate sources |
| [22:16:01] | stuartm: | the former would theoretically be a _lot_ faster for imports, especially the first scan/import of tracks (i.e. not just CD lookups) |
| [22:16:34] | stuartm: | there seems to be existing python libs for the latter ... so could go either way |
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