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[00:38:19] shodan45: can someone help me understand where my money goes if/when I pay $25 to schedules direct?
[00:39:48] shodan45: the description on their site is a bit... nebulous?
[00:44:59] wagnerrp: it pays to license the data from Tribune Media Services
[00:55:08] shodan45: wagnerrp: from what their site says, that's not entirely true...
[00:55:53] wagnerrp: right. we pay membership dues, and as part of that membership, we get access to that data
[00:56:05] wagnerrp: the membership dues in turn go to license the data from Tribune
[00:57:32] shodan45: but their site says "Your membership fees help us fund programs to help your favorite Open Source projects"
[00:57:52] wagnerrp: what's left after the licensing fees does do just that
[00:58:20] wagnerrp: while we were rebuilding our server a year or so back, they gave us temporary VM space
[00:58:41] wagnerrp: and they've sponsored various other things over the years
[01:00:42] shodan45: wagnerrp: ok.... that's all great, but it doesn't "feel" right to me – it's not very transparent
[01:04:03] shodan45: I'd be much more comfortable if they explained exactly how much tribune charges, and/or only charged that
[01:04:51] wagnerrp: as i understand it, there was an attempt to separate the dues from the licensing for the purposes of non-profit status
[01:08:13] shodan45: does tribune vary what they charge depending on how many people subscribe?
[01:08:28] wagnerrp: i would expect so
[01:08:40] shodan45: or is that under an NDA or similar?
[01:09:13] wagnerrp: no idea
[01:09:34] shodan45: maybe to simplify things, SD charges a flat fee?
[01:10:05] wagnerrp: i know they dropped dues as membership increased, and then raised dues as membership fell off
[01:10:05] shodan45: I guess this is my problem: they should be explaining all this :/
[01:11:48] shodan45: for all I know, Tribune charges a flat $5, and the rest of the membership fees actually go towards killing baby seals >_>
[01:12:37] ** knightr wonders why shodan45 doesn't ask that question to SD directly... **
[01:13:16] shodan45: knightr: is there a #schedulesdirect?
[01:13:37] knightr: they have forums, at least they had the last time I visited their site...
[01:13:37] wagnerrp: there are a few MythTV developers who help run SD, but the organizations are otherwise completely independent
[01:14:06] shodan45: wagnerrp: right, which is why I thought someone in here might know
[01:16:32] knightr: shodan45, http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/
[01:17:10] shodan45: knightr: yeah
[01:17:38] knightr: the person who is more full time for them is rarely (if ever) on IRC I believe...
[01:20:41] xris: knightr: I'm always on irc.  :)
[01:21:04] knightr: xris, I was talking about rkulagow...
[01:21:10] xris: day to day stuff for sd is me, rmeden (xmltv) and rkulagow
[01:21:16] xris: rkulagow does our tech support
[01:21:25] xris: thought he's also working on a new json-based feed thing
[01:22:23] knightr: I thought the person who was almost full time for them was rkulagow, didn't think you were too...
[01:22:42] knightr: s/think/know
[01:24:22] knightr: xris, his json-based feed looks very interesting, let's hope we can fully used it...
[01:24:35] knightr: s/used/use
[01:25:07] knightr: (I am not sure how much we will able to use it if we rely on xmltv only....)
[01:31:24] knightr: (if we drop the internal client...)
[01:35:05] xris: knightr: yeah, esp. since tms wants to kill off datadirect
[01:35:21] xris: "soon", whatever that means
[01:41:05] knightr: ouch, was that in his email (if it was I guess I read it too fast or I was low on caffeine)?
[01:41:34] knightr: so I guess that means they would still license the info but no longer provide the servers?
[01:48:52] xris: yup. same/similar feed to what he's using now for the json thing
[01:55:22] shodan45: hm, mythtv frontends connect to mysql on the backend?
[01:55:46] shodan45: directly, I mean? port 3306?
[01:55:54] wagnerrp: ues
[01:56:33] shodan45: interesting... and a little weird ;p
[02:02:01] wagnerrp: the long term goal is to have the frontends query all data through the backend, and embed the database in the backend
[02:02:07] wagnerrp: but it's been the way it is for ten years
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[03:29:12] stichnot: Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I like the idea of importing/exporting metadata via XML
[03:30:00] wagnerrp: we already support it, to a limited degree
[03:30:26] wagnerrp: the video scanner will import an .mxml file of the same name of the video, formatted like the response from the metadata grabbers
[03:30:53] wagnerrp: there's no mechanism to write that file out, although it can be done fairly easily with one of the grabbers, or the python bindings
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[05:07:27] xris: wagnerrp: I always wanted something like that for nuvexport
[05:07:51] xris: I encode a lot of my recordings to m4v files and toss them at mythvideo. would be nice to send meta data with them
[05:08:11] xris: heck, or even read stuff from the video file's own meta data (but that'd mean nuvexport writing it, too)
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[16:57:44] jpabq: Does Myth 0.26 work with Qt 4.8 ?
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[17:01:36] jpabq: Looks like it should.
[17:02:00] stichnot: jpabq: I'm pretty sure it does. In October, shortly after the 0.26 release, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu 10.04 system to Qt 4.8 (by building from source since 10.04 only goes up to 4.6).
[17:02:26] jpabq: stichnot: thanks.
[17:02:28] danielk221: jpabq: It should in theory, because 4.8 should be backward compatible with 4.6.
[17:03:10] danielk221: For all their faults Qt tends to be good about backward compatibility in minor releases.
[17:04:46] jpabq: danielk221: I am pretty sure that I have run Qt 4.8 with Myth 0.26 and did not have any issues. I was just being paranoid ;-)
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[17:07:25] jpabq: danielk221: I was considering backporting the use of QElapsedTimer to MythTimer in 0.26. Such a backport would require checking the Qt version, right? We did not require Qt >= 4.7 in Myth 0.26?
[17:08:03] danielk221: Right, pretty sure 0.26 was Qt 4.6 based.
[17:08:25] jpabq: Okay. Thanks.
[17:08:45] danielk221: There should be a test in ./configure to confirm this :)
[17:08:58] jpabq: I will take a look
[17:12:28] jpabq: Indeed. Myth 0.26 configure checks for Qt >= 4.6
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[23:37:35] stichnot: wagnerrp: I finally got a chance to look at the mxml stuff. Does this represent metadata beyond the recorded and videometadata tables?
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