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| [00:06:29] | knightr: | yep, until the first RC it is still OK to add new strings as we are not yet in hard string freeze, so as long as nobody complains that the feature freeze was broken it is perfectly OK to make a new string. I wouldn't say the same thing if a lot of new strings were added since we are in soft string freeze so the strings are supposed to be close to final, but a few new strings are OK... |
| [00:06:46] | knightr: | s/make/add |
| [00:08:10] | knightr: | letting me know when you add new strings is appreciated though so I have an idea of what and how many were added... |
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| [01:22:11] | jya_: | right.. I've recovered my pi that I had been using to monitor some external sensors... will be able to work on it |
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| [02:41:46] | dekarl: | stuartm: is this something for you? #10772 looks like you handled the referenced other ticket from Ian. tbh I don't really understand how the "expire then delete then really remove from disk" process works |
| [02:41:46] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10772 ** | |
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| [03:42:49] | jya_: | for some reasons, for one particular image retrieved by mythmetadata, it always fail to write on disk... instead it creates a 0 bytes file... what verbosity should I enable on the backend to check what's going on ? |
| [03:43:00] | jya_: | sphery: ? |
| [03:54:35] | tgm4883: | peper03, hmm, I don't use the image gallery, but wrapping to the next item would seem to be how it should be. Do you know where that needs to be fixed in the Mythbuntu theme? |
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| [04:25:16] | jya_: | sphery, wagnerrp : are the settings mythvideo.fanartDir and the like still in use ? (when you have the SG pointing already to one of those) |
| [04:28:27] | jya_: | i guess i can leave that cleanup to after 0.27... the code in metadata there is in triplicate |
| [04:42:01] | tgm4883: | Can I get a quick temperature check on a 0.27 release? Feature freeze for 13.10 is on August 29th, and final freeze is october 10th. Just wondering if superm1 or I should push 0.27 to 13.10 |
| [04:42:13] | tgm4883: | we don't want to have a reoccurance of the 0.23 fiasco |
| [04:43:36] | jya_: | tgm4883: you could use 0.27 IMHO for the feature freeze. by the time the hard freeze kicks in, it will have been official for sure |
| [04:44:23] | superm1: | tgm4883: that might disappoint and confuse build system |
| [04:44:48] | tgm4883: | superm1, how so? wouldn't it just start building 0.28? |
| [04:44:55] | superm1: | should double check and make sure it doesn't suddenly think 0.27 is stable |
| [04:45:14] | tgm4883: | superm1, hmm |
| [04:50:53] | superm1: | yeah it confuses the script if we put an unstable version into the development release early it looks like to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012779/ |
| [04:50:53] | tgm4883: | superm1, I think we base that off of latest version PPA -1 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbu . . . e_targets.py |
| [04:51:31] | superm1: | i just did http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012781/ |
| [04:52:30] | tgm4883: | superm1, maybe i'm tired, why are you doing float(0.28)? |
| [04:52:43] | superm1: | because i'm tired apparently |
| [04:53:04] | superm1: | lemme try that again |
| [04:54:40] | superm1: | okay as long as it's tagged master and the number is right it looks like it will probably DTRT http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012788/ |
| [04:54:56] | superm1: | http://pastebin.com/xzBVmzz5 |
| [04:55:44] | tgm4883: | sweet |
| [04:57:02] | tgm4883: | superm1, so what do you think, push 0.27 to 13.10 then? |
| [04:58:00] | superm1: | well lets wait and see if anyone else has any feedback if that's a good or a bad idea. from my perspective it's a non-LTS release, we're not guiding people to it |
| [04:58:14] | tgm4883: | sounds good |
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| [05:59:46] | jya_: | hmmm... the backend file transfer is obviously expecting small write, and that it all occurs within 25ms.. I have a wireless frontend here, when the frontend has finished downloading its image, it sends it to the backend via a write block. if not all the data is received within 25ms; it aborts and write an empty file instead |
| [06:00:11] | jya_: | even on 802.11n, sending a 300kB images takes more than 25ms |
| [06:01:16] | dekarl: | is it easy to let the backend handle the download in the first place? |
| [06:01:45] | jya_: | dekarl: it may well be, but that's not how the metadata thingy works |
| [06:02:04] | jya_: | it download locally, then write to the backend using a RemoteFile instance (in write mode) |
| [06:03:09] | jya_: | regardless, assuming that you can read/write all data, no matter its size in less than 25ms is a very restrictive condition |
| [06:04:59] | dekarl: | I have to head out. I agree that 25ms is restrictive. But moving more of these tasks to the backend might be an idea for the next release. I don't think we should be doing such stuff on the frontend if we want to ever support the RPi or these TV stickcomputers. |
| [06:05:18] | jya_: | agreed |
| [06:05:36] | jya_: | i even thought there was an API to get the backend to download |
| [06:05:55] | jya_: | but you know, that libmythmetadata is a pretty classy example of what not to do... |
| [06:07:01] | jya_: | could drop its size significantly. There are triplicates of code in there (local video, storage group local, storage group remote). all doing pretty much the same thing... Only difference between the three between a one or two liners |
| [06:08:00] | jya_: | the filetransfer/writeblock is that going in a different thread in the backend or is that blocking everything else? |
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| [06:39:02] | jya_: | danielk22: that 25ms is actually a regression that was introduced recently https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/0b106 . . . 6222#L20L160 |
| [06:40:27] | jya_: | how did you come up with the 25ms value ? |
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| [10:18:21] | jya_: | knightr: I've found some more errors that aren't being displayed.. going to add a string (when downloading images, if it fails it does nothing just in the log) |
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| [11:18:14] | knightr: | jya, thank you! |
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| [11:58:42] | knightr: | stuartm, to be expected, these are always work in progress... |
| [11:58:58] | knightr: | (BTW, I didn't know you were reviewing them... :) ) |
| [12:01:16] | knightr: | ttyl |
| [12:03:12] | stuartm: | I'm not actively reviewing, I just have a look at them now and again out of curiosity |
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| [12:50:54] | jya_: | rrrrrhhha |
| [12:50:56] | jya_: | what now |
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| [12:52:15] | jya_: | i should be shot :( |
| [12:52:33] | stichnot: | What? you don't use mythgame? :) |
| [12:54:59] | jya_: | hehe |
| [12:55:14] | jya_: | i tried to got it to work once... never managed to |
| [12:55:58] | jya_: | it doesn't compile on mac either, and I'm tired, too sure of myself... bad combination |
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| [13:01:48] | stichnot: | Once again, I learn the hard way that it's often better to break up background work into chunks and execute a bit at a time in the event loop, than to use a background thread |
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| [13:24:45] | jya_: | stichnot: why that? |
| [13:33:00] | stichnot: | This time, it's about spreading out subtitle rendering work so that complex subtitles are less likely to cause dropped frames. If you have complex subtitles separated by simple subtitles (e.g. clearing the previous subtitle), and use a background thread, you can end up seeing visual flashing artifacts, as opposed to spreading the work across 2 or 3 calls to Pulse() and having it regular and... |
| [13:33:02] | stichnot: | ...synchronized. |
| [13:33:56] | stichnot: | Also, I thought I could be clever and do a bit of MythUI work in the non-UI thread, but that was nothing but trouble. |
| [13:34:42] | stichnot: | The time before was the background buttonlist loading to speed up the Watch Recordings screen. I started out trying a helper thread, but that was just unnecessarily complex compared to using the event loop |
| [13:43:59] | jya_: | interesting |
| [13:49:03] | jya_: | wagnerrp: that one is for you if you could review and fix the crash in a cleaner way: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f19af . . . ff005f7a0442 |
| [13:50:30] | jya_: | there's quite a few interesting patches in there |
| [13:50:31] | jya_: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pulls |
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| [15:53:23] | jya_: | jpabq: is there a way to edit a recording's metadata with Steppes? i can't get the option to appear |
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| [16:09:43] | jpabq: | jya_: should be. Unless something changed, I was pretty sure I had themed EVERYTHING. I have not tried to do that, though, in a very long time. |
| [16:11:33] | jpabq: | jya_: are you talking about "Menu -> Recording Options -> Change Recording Metadata" ? While the a recording is selected. |
| [16:12:09] | jya_: | jpabq: I do see the HLS recorder leaking... After about 30 minutes, it has leaked about 22.64kB . in int GetHTTPLiveMetaPlaylist(StreamsList *streams), but i don't see anything obvious |
| [16:12:22] | jya_: | yes. |
| [16:12:41] | jpabq: | I just tried changing the description for a show, and it worked. |
| [16:13:25] | jya_: | you see where to scan for a program, retrieve artwork etc? |
| [16:14:26] | jya_: | actually RecordingInfo seems to leak even more, it's growing by 160 bytes very regularly... |
| [16:14:57] | jpabq: | Oh. For that I have always gone into "Edit Recording Schedule" and then PgUp to bring up that screen. Is there another way? |
| [16:15:23] | jpabq: | Sorry, not PgUp, Home. |
| [16:16:26] | jya_: | well, with arc light, I select a recording in the recording rules list, press enter, select edit metadata |
| [16:17:37] | jya_: | Menu -> Manage Recordings -> Recording Rules -. Select one, Enter and go into metadata options |
| [16:19:43] | jya_: | that menu entry "metadata options" is certainly not showing with steppes |
| [16:21:09] | jya_: | the wiki about metadata and recordings says that not all themes support it and give an example with arclight |
| [16:22:35] | jya_: | jpabq: i can't find that screen in steppes, and i've pretty much looked everywhere |
| [16:23:57] | jya_: | oh .... with page/left / page/right i got into it... |
| [16:24:34] | jya_: | never mind then.... not easy to find i must say |
| [16:26:21] | jpabq: | That is why I put some help text at the top of the "Schedule Editor" screen. Once you know how to navigate to the subscreens, it works very well. Like I said, I just hit the equivalent of [Home] and that takes me right to that screen. |
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| [16:28:31] | jya_: | yeah, i don't have that mapping on my remote |
| [16:28:45] | jya_: | (nor pageup/down) |
| [16:29:53] | jpabq: | You can get there with the Menu as well, just takes more key presses. |
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| [16:32:59] | jya_: | are you sure? |
| [16:33:00] | jya_: | i can get to most of the screens I can travel to with page left/right |
| [16:33:00] | jya_: | but not that metadata one |
| [16:33:00] | jya_: | oh sorry |
| [16:33:00] | jya_: | I was on a template rather than a recording rule |
| [16:33:41] | jpabq: | As long as you know to hit [Menu] then that is pretty much equivalent to doing it "the old way". I have not gone through other themes in a while, to see how everyone else is doing it. |
| [16:33:44] | jya_: | looks like RecordingInfo is never deleted... I have a leak tracer in the new Xcode 5... and it reports over 200 RecordingInfo net being frred |
| [16:34:54] | jpabq: | Sometime I will have to ask for tips on how to setup Xcode for myth devel and give it a try. |
| [16:36:27] | jya_: | certainly made my life easier... |
| [16:47:40] | stuartm: | jya_: how does that number compare to the scheduled recordings? |
| [16:48:11] | jya_: | stuartm: I have no recordings scheduled on that box |
| [16:48:27] | jya_: | it only has a HTTP Live Streaming playlist set, no guide data nothing |
| [16:48:32] | jya_: | i was watching live tv |
| [16:49:44] | jya_: | i'm not sure I'm reading Xcode's instruments properly... it says the frame where the object leaking was like: Leaked Object # Address Size Responsible Library Responsible Frame |
| [16:49:44] | jya_: | Malloc 160 Bytes 1 0x107eb6a90 160 Bytes QtCore QMutex::QMutex(QMutex::RecursionMode) |
| [16:50:16] | jya_: | so it looks like it's a mutex that is allocated but not freed. but i check recording info and i see nothing there |
| [16:51:02] | stuartm: | something inherited from ProgramInfo? |
| [16:51:24] | jya_: | in another report, it tells me that it's in the HLSRecorder where it refresh the playlist, it tells me a something is leaking 112 bytes after each call |
| [16:51:38] | jya_: | i check ancestor too... no mutex |
| [16:52:07] | jya_: | i'll have another look tomorrow, it's 3am almost... can't keep my eyes opened... |
| [16:52:11] | jya_: | must go to bed... good night |
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| [18:01:52] | svalcken1: | Hello, who is for the buildbot the right person? |
| [18:02:01] | dekarl1 is now known as dekarl | |
| [18:03:41] | stuartm: | that would be stuarta or Beirdo, but Beirdo has been very busy recently |
| [18:03:43] | dekarl: | ^- interested in setting up a windows build bot and wants to know where to start after looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Continuous_Integration_Tests |
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| [18:04:35] | svalcken1: | thanks dekarl |
| [18:09:31] | dekarl: | svalcken1: might also talk to dblain as he's been fixing msvc issues http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/log/?h=personal/dblain/msvc |
| [18:12:01] | dblain: | svalcken1: FYI – Once the freeze is over, I'm planning on setting up a MSVC windows build bot. Are you looking at using mingw or MSVC? |
| [18:17:44] | danielk22: | jya_: Leaking mutexes is scary, but they are also special enough that I can envision tools not tracking them properly. |
| [18:20:06] | svalcken1: | dblain, both. current i have mingw on system and msvc any older version, i think. what is needed to setup a windows buildbot? |
| [18:22:59] | dblain: | svalcken1: for MSVC you will need Visual Studios 2010 or newer, and a lot of other dependecies especially if you want to build ffmpeg dependencies. I am putting together all the information I can on it and will place it on the wiki once I get it all working and committed. |
| [18:23:43] | dblain: | as for mingw, I ran into too many problem and put it on the back burner... I'd rather focus on a native build environment. |
| [18:24:59] | svalcken1: | ah okay. also better way is visual studio 2010 / Visual C 2010 |
| [18:25:42] | svalcken1: | current i have Visual Studio 2010 Express on my system. |
| [18:27:33] | dblain: | I've used 2010, 2012 & 2013 (all pro) to test with... but there shouldn't be any reason express wouldn't work. |
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| [18:32:47] | svalcken1: | okay. i need the pro edition the express does not work. right |
| [18:35:20] | dblain: | I'm using qt to generate nmake (or vcxproj) files based on the pro files so express SHOULD work. |
| [18:37:21] | svalcken1: | okay. let me make short. what is needet to build a windows buildbot to work for mythtv. I have current windows 7 64Bit on System. all other, let me know, what i need. |
| [18:38:34] | dblain: | Like I said, I will be placing instructions on the wiki for MSVC builds once I am allowed to check in my needed code changes. There are too may things needed to list here. |
| [18:39:18] | peper03: | jya mentioned the capitalisation was wrong for the "Allow re-record" menu entry I added yesterday. I just copied the string from the existing code. Are there guidelines anywhere (I have a feeling I've seen it discussed at some point)? I can change the new entry to 'Allow Re-record' but should the old text be changed as well, or left alone at this stage? |
| [18:48:15] | svalcken1: | dblain, that's is a good idea and please add in the wiki information who are the right person for bot. Can you give current information, which software i need. VS 2010 pro and higher now i know, which software i needed? |
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| [20:57:09] | stichnot: | sphery: I vaguely recall that when I had to build my own Qt 4.8 (since I'm still running Ubuntu 10.04), I had to be careful to enable dynamic fontconfig. Any chance some or all Mac Qt builds in the wild are failing to do that? |
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| [22:11:42] | jya_: | peper03: we did discuss capitalisation a few days ago... basically every word is capitalised, with a few exceptions. |
| [22:12:58] | jya_: | stichnot: i use the pre-compiled qt binary, but i have noticed many errors with fonts on my mac... it seems that the font set in the themes aren't used properly |
| [22:18:06] | stichnot: | ok, sounds like sphery is on the right track |
| [22:21:40] | jya_: | stichnot: i posted some logs, not sure if it's relevant... |
| [22:29:04] | stichnot: | jya_: where did you post the logs? |
| [22:29:38] | jya_: | an answer to your post on the theme list |
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| [23:30:16] | skd5aner: | peper03: I suggested mimicing this standard – not sure if everyone agreed, but I know some devs liked it: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Language/English |
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| [23:38:52] | knightr: | peper03, skd5aner you could also try to find what sphery had posted about this on the archive of -developers, it was pretty similar to musicbrainz. I used to have the original message but I lost all my emails recently when my main HD bit the dust... |
| [23:39:17] | skd5aner: | knightr: I'm not subscribed to that... i think that's the private dev list, I'm not that special :) |
| [23:39:19] | knightr: | we will have to establish a standard and try to have the themers follow it as well... |
| [23:40:07] | knightr: | skd5aner, oops, you're right, I wanted to keep you informed but the part about where to find it was more for peper03... |
| [23:40:33] | skd5aner: | I'd rather use a well established, well thought out standard that another large FOSS project uses (and hugely depends on as part of it's core function) than try to reinvenet the wheel – perhaps there's items where MythTV would have to deviate though, I'm not sure |
| [23:40:47] | skd5aner: | np :) |
| [23:41:18] | knightr: | I'll try to dig it up, I requested a password reminder to try to regain access to it so I'll try to extract what was suggested at the time... |
| [23:41:27] | skd5aner: | why "establish" when you can "plagerize" :) that's the FOSS way :) |
| [23:41:34] | knightr: | LOL... |
| [23:42:19] | knightr: | I am not saying using their standard is bad, I just want to dig up what was mentioned at the time and try to see where we could go from there... |
| [23:42:25] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [23:42:32] | skd5aner: | it may not be 100% apples to apples |
| [23:44:26] | skd5aner: | knightr: on a related topic, which has come up before, there should be a standard "established" to deal with articles as well (A, An, The, etc.) for sort order... another good reference: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Artist/Sort_Name |
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| [23:47:26] | knightr: | anyway everybody gains (devs, themers, translators, users) if we follow a standard... |
| [23:47:37] | skd5aner: | totally agree |
| [23:48:24] | knightr: | skd5aner, IIRC we already strip them but maybe not everywhere... |
| [23:48:38] | skd5aner: | but last I checked we didn't have any devs who were also linguistic PhDs – so debating doesn't do much good, but referencing what's worked and agreed upon by others who have already debated the topic makes sense :) |
| [23:49:05] | skd5aner: | knightr: I think it varies, if I recall mythmusic handles it different than the watch recordings list |
| [23:49:30] | knightr: | The big danger with doing something too specific to English (for the articles I mean) is that it might not work very well with other languages... |
| [23:49:35] | skd5aner: | I could be wrong, but I remember the debate coming up a few times over the past several years |
| [23:49:53] | knightr: | (it would have to be something which could be customized in the translations...) |
| [23:51:32] | knightr: | We already have control over some articles in the translations (IIRC it's a regex which we can customize per language), we might have to resort to using a combination of them and some sort of template string to indicate what it should do once it extracted the articles... |
| [23:52:31] | knightr: | skd5aner, I only recall of one regex, not multiple so it was either in a plugin or in core, not both... |
| [23:54:06] | knightr: | (unless of course it's in a library in which case it becomes part of "core" (ie the MythFrontend main translation file..) |
| [23:56:31] | knightr: | skd5aner, is what you are interested in mainly guideline 2? |
| [23:57:54] | knightr: | (some of the other guidelines would be difficult to apply (like 2a) become I don't see how we could do that if we don't already receive the data in that order... |
| [23:58:06] | skd5aner: | knightr: essentially... |
| [23:58:36] | skd5aner: | The question is... when and where does it make sense to automatically ignore a leading article to determine sort order |
| [23:58:49] | knightr: | (ie it's most a standard to indicate how it should be filled in in their database, not something we could easily transform a string that wasn't formatted that way into...) |
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