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Wednesday, June 5th, 2013, 00:02 UTC
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[00:17:46] danielk222: tafy: the services api really needs an active maintainer, are you interested in helping out?
[00:21:32] danielk222: jpabq: The reason for trapping the SIGTERM was so that we could handle it as a normal shutdown. The SIGFAULT and some other handlers were an attempt to work around an issue with the new logger losing some of the logging.. I'll be fixing that in the devel/logging branch.
[00:24:36] danielk222: I think we should turn of the SIGTERM trapping except in the programs that actually do shutdown cleanly when we exit the UI event loop.
[00:27:53] danielk222: tafy: dblain is the guy who wrote the services API, but he doesn't have much time for MythTV ATM... I have a bunch of sercives API changes in a local tree, but since we don't have any unit tests on the API it I'm a afraid to commit them.
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[00:32:49] tafy: danielk222: I am interested in helping out
[00:34:06] tafy: danielk222: as I mentioned I have a vested interest in the services-api
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[02:10:47] danielk222: jya_: I re-opened #11574, the ENO_STR macro shouldn't be there in the first place in there + there is a typo in the error message.
[02:10:47] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11574 **
[02:16:37] jya_: danielk222: reason I closed i is that Craig use a totally different way to compile that I do. I use the OSX packager, and I'm not willing to support another way to build myth on mac… All the issues he has reported on mac so far are unique to his build. Usually due to the way his Qt are build (it's not the standard build)
[02:16:47] jya_: and that…. it works for me :)
[02:18:11] jya_: and what he's building isn't master
[02:18:26] jya_: but a development branch.. i'm not going to support that one either
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[02:19:41] danielk222: jya: The ENO_STR exists in master.. and the typo...
[02:20:09] danielk222: Ignore the compilation issue, that is a development branch thing..
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[02:20:49] jya_: ok, i can fix the type
[02:21:02] danielk222: ENO_STR take the errno value and prints out a message about it, but there is no call setting errno before we invoke the macro.. so it will just print something random.
[02:21:14] jya_: but I won't look into ENO_STR because it compiles fine for me… and yes daemon is there on mac, but has a different behaviour
[02:22:16] jya_: if ENO_STR has issues on his build, it won't be just there
[02:22:46] danielk222: jya_: It may compile fine, but why is it there? errno is not being set, so it will just print an error message about the last time a system call failed, which will be completely unrelated to Daemonizing.
[02:23:07] jya_: i'm going with the bug report: doesn't compile…
[02:23:42] danielk222: Huh, should I file a separate bug report about ENO_STR ?
[02:23:49] pvr4me: Daniel, jya: I reported the ENO_STR issue
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[02:25:42] pvr4me: I'd like to play around with the logging branch cause I could never get a satisfactory setup with 0.26 via MacPorts (I developed the port)
[02:27:01] jya_: The ENO_STR shouldn't cause you build to fail...
[02:27:04] danielk222: pvr4me: It's probably premature to file bugs on it.. just send the bug reports directly to me.. :)
[02:28:29] pvr4me: Daniel: OK, I'd like to play with the logging branch viz the MacPorts build/install process. (0.26 wasn't very friendly...)
[02:29:05] jya_: I've removed the ENO_STR but not for the reason stated…
[02:29:07] danielk222: jya_: Right, it is not a compilation failure. And the bug as reported can be closed; but when I looked at it I saw a few problems with that line of code, I thought it made more sense to re-open the ticket that caused me to find the problems than to start a new ticket..
[02:29:46] jya_: danielk222: btw, did you get to check the hls recorder and my mod to iptvchannel.cpp ?
[02:30:15] danielk222: No, I didn't realize it was public? master?
[02:30:58] jya_: yes
[02:31:53] danielk222: jya_: Cool I'll take a look tmrw. I'm a bit bonked out on pain meds ATM.
[02:31:55] jya_: some improvement could be made to use the new way iptvchannel.cpp behaves (e.g. not closing the stream and re-opening it. The opening could be done in the stream handler constructor rather than in run)
[02:32:02] jya_: what's wrong?
[02:32:36] pvr4me: jya: thanks for the commit
[02:32:38] danielk222: jya_: My back, I was installing an AC.. It was heavy
[02:32:59] jya_: damn….
[02:34:17] jya_: j'avais essaye de le pre-commande sur le site de microsoft
[02:34:24] jya_: c'était $990 avec le clavier
[02:34:34] jya_: a chaque fois ça plantait a la fin
[02:36:09] jya_: oops wrong window :)
[02:36:41] danielk222: jya_: A lot of improvement could be made in the recorder open/close cycles. My foray into unit testing in the libmythbase stuff is really a prelude to doing it for the recorder code (where mocks and more generally sophisticated testing will be needed.)
[02:37:35] jya_: danielk222: the problem I got around is that the stream handlerbase kill the stream handler as soon as there's no listener left.
[02:37:42] danielk222: jya_: did you try ordering with chrome :)
[02:37:48] jya_: so between signal monitor and recording: it's closed / open
[02:38:13] jya_: danielk222: nah, firefox… the windows 8 table pro are finally available here…
[02:38:18] danielk222: ah, yeah I think a simple wait 1 second before really dealing might fix that..
[02:38:23] jya_: but $200 more than I was willing to pay 4 months ago
[02:38:39] jya_: I made the iptvchannel wait 5s
[02:39:04] jya_: it is actually quite convenient as when tuning time out for a hls stream
[02:39:14] jya_: the frontend goes back to the main screen
[02:39:37] jya_: if i try to go back instantly, then I get the video: cause the stream handler is still alive
[02:39:51] danielk222: hah! :)
[02:40:15] jya_: it's definitely much more reliable than 0.26
[02:40:36] jya_: and stopping works well...
[02:40:40] jya_: which wasn't the case before
[02:40:56] jya_: the code is definitely easier to deal with / understand than before...
[02:41:05] jya_: the breakup in classes is good
[02:41:47] pvr4me: bye
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[02:48:09] danielk222: Thanks. I've been trying to work on making clean APIs lately. I can no longer code as fast as I did a decade ago, but I do know so many 'trivial design decisions' that lead to disaster a few years down the road.
[03:10:26] jya_: the only thing I'm not too keen on, is that the signal monitor can stop / start the stream handler.. to me it should all be left to the channel class
[03:10:53] jya_: as the channel is the owner of the stream handler
[03:11:29] jya_: also, why is it up to each stream handler to handle their own caching ?
[03:12:10] jya_: i found this a tad troubling. I had started to change that for the iptvstream but then I realised it was done that way for all other stream handler...
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[12:14:43] danielk222: jya_: Caching in the StreamHandlers? If you mean bufferring, it is mostly because they different devices have different buffering requirements and code to handle those already existed so they were reused.
[12:15:16] jya_: danielk222: no i mean caching… you have a static map in there with previously allocated stream handler
[12:15:40] danielk222: hmm, let me take a look.
[12:15:43] jya_: you have a Get and Return function used in the channel
[12:16:02] jya_: it makes a map according to the device to use
[12:16:39] jya_: i have no issue with the caching as such… just find it peculiar to have the class handling it itself
[12:17:54] danielk222: Those are to support mocking for future tests. i.e. instead of returning the real stream handler those will be able to return fake stream handlers that just record the calls made to them and return particular data to the caller.
[12:18:38] danielk222: https://code.google.com/p/googlemock/
[12:19:13] jya_: i see...
[12:19:32] danielk222: I'm planning to write up a couple articles on mocking and unit testing for MythTV once I've taught myself enough tricks to make it easy..
[12:21:01] danielk222: You can see an real life example of a debugging class returned in the devel/logging branch. It isn't a full mock, but it is something that records the calls made to it.
[12:21:29] jya_: BTW, your changes with rpath didn't work
[12:21:47] jya_: on my mac, if I remove the system myth lib, it can't find the libraries
[12:22:52] danielk222: :( I wish we had an OSX builder..
[12:23:11] jya_: you have me for the time being :)
[12:23:38] danielk222: hehe, but the iteration cycle is a bit slower than I'm used to :]
[12:24:00] jya_: for sure… and the time difference doesn't help… and having said that i'm about to head to bed
[12:24:03] danielk222: I do have a mac sitting around, mostly unused. I should just bite the bullet and upgrade it to a more modern OSX..
[12:24:28] danielk222: goodnight
[12:24:34] jya_: iyou may want to have a look at the other qmake/make using rpath
[12:24:40] jya_: there are a few in myth...
[12:25:01] jya_: none of them use the same syntax as you do
[12:25:08] danielk222: Hmm, I grepped, I didn't find it. I thought maybe you were talking about rpath's you had used at work.
[12:27:27] jya_: i compiled myth without the default -O3 so I could more easily debug ffmpeg (most of the inner variables are hidden due to optimisation, making it hard to even step in the code)… amazing on how much slower everything is… most of my video stutter now
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[12:47:35] clever: jya_: what would it take to just install a buildbot on your mac?
[12:48:13] jya_: clever: I had started setting up a buildbot… then not sure I never did
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[13:16:40] stuarta: it's not too bad to setup
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[13:31:17] jya_: stuarta: the documentation of buildbot isn't the most simplistic one :(
[13:31:51] stuarta: no, but what we've setup is pretty straight forward
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[14:25:57] stuartm: shouldn't have thrown out my soldering iron :(
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[14:37:53] bobweaver: hello is there any service api that I can send a signal to the backend to encode video with interval of 500 ? or do I have to do this from the backend ?
[14:38:26] bobweaver: the reason that I ask is because android will not play videos (via qtmultimedia) that are not in interval of 500
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[15:00:34] tafy: bobweaver: there is no such thing right now
[15:02:23] bobweaver: tafy, there should be so that I can call it from my app :)
[15:02:44] bobweaver: Like how there is the thing to do it for iphones
[15:03:27] bobweaver: tafy, uploading video will post whn fully uploaded says that it is 71% done
[15:05:38] tafy: bobweaver: so qtmultimedia require you to have a live stream with segments of 500 ms ?
[15:05:50] tafy: in order to play it back
[15:08:28] bobweaver: nope android does
[15:08:44] bobweaver: tafy, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4728085/ca . . . rtain-videos
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[15:09:54] tafy: bobweaver: thanks
[15:10:31] bobweaver: tafy, before I was doing it this way Qt.openurlextrenal(databasrip()+databaseport+path+id)
[15:10:41] bobweaver: but now I got my own player to work !!
[15:24:02] bobweaver: tafy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xhMEuDiFM
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[18:39:28] peper03: I think I must be missing something obvious but I don't know what. Why am I seeing messages saying video is ahead of audio when the timestamps seem to indicate the video frames are actually behind audio? http://pastebin.com/2MENtH2K
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[19:43:36] peper03: Hmm. Seems to be because the audio time given in the 'Player(0): A/V timecodes ...' line is the current audio time as reported by AudioOutputBase::GetAudiotime whereas the video time comes from the next video frame to be shown.
[19:45:23] peper03: So after skipping and resetting the audio buffers, even though the timestamps of the audio and video frames added to the respective buffers are almost identical, something in the calculation in GetAudioTime is causing the player to think they're actually out of sync, when they're not.
[19:46:03] sphery: peper03: fwiw, that message (and possibly the "we better correct this" code associated with it) seems to have been causing confusion and/or problems for years
[19:46:37] sphery: lots of people seem to get into "overcorrection" loops with various systems/video/...
[19:47:00] sphery: so if you find (and fix :) problems with it, you'll probably make a lot of people happy
[19:50:53] peper03: sphery: The problem appears (at least in this case) to be that after resetting the audio buffers, the current audio time as reported is slightly off. Having just looked at that bit of code, the calculation performed to determine the current time looks frightening enough to scare anyone away :)
[19:53:03] peper03: I don't know the ins and outs of the playback code but it seems like taking the timecode of one of the tracks (audio in Myth's case) and using that as master causes problems. As I understand it, the idea behind PTS and DTS timecodes is to have a separate master clock and sync the video/audio/subtitles/whatever frames to that.
[19:55:38] peper03: But then, I'm sure that approach isn't plain sailing either :)
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[20:10:11] peper03: I guess jya would be the best person to look at the code in AudioOutputBase to determine what, if anything, could be done there (or if anything *needs* to be done there).
[20:19:25] peper03: Or maybe the change needs to be made in MythPlayer somehow. Assuming the timecode reported by AudioOutputBase is always correct, the problem may be more down not taking to the latency between adding an audio packet to the buffer and actually hearing it into account.
[20:23:36] peper03: Comparing the timecode of a single video frame against the rolling timecode of the soundcard is presumably not as reliable as being able to compare it against an audio packet/frame.
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[21:17:22] peper03: Interestingly, every time I skip forwards or backwards on a DVD, I get the 'Video is x frames ahead of audio' messages and video playback slows right down for about a second before suddenly pinging back to normal speed. If I skip in a standard video file, I seem to get no out-of-sync messages at all. Not sure what's different there.
[21:25:41] stichnot: Does anyone know where is the code that deals with immediately deleting short Live TV programs?
[21:31:39] stichnot: never mind, AutoExpire::RunExpirer()
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[21:44:55] stichnot: Captain_Murdoch2: Hopefully you're the one to ask about this. The auto-expirer is deleting short Live TV programs even while they are part of an active LiveTVChain, which seems wrong. Is it easy/correct to prevent such auto-expiring?
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[22:33:08] dekarl: bobweaver: tafy: that link does not make sense. it talks about MP4 files, but you're talking about HLS which must use a MPEG2-TS stream with AAC audio and H.264 video. If you want to create nice MP4 files you may get them with mythffmpeg and settings from http://blog.archive.org/2013/02/09/new-mp4-h- . . . er-and-easy/
[22:34:28] bobweaver: dekarl, is there a option to call that to the backend ? or do I have to stream the file 'or what ? I am trying to stay away from C++
[22:36:23] bobweaver: At the moment I am using all the services api for data()grab it and drop into sqllightdb render in qml)
[22:38:33] dekarl: I'm not sure what you want to do. For the Android frontend the way to go appears to be HLS. The MP4 is more for exporting to a video file that works on mobile devices.
[22:40:24] bobweaver: yeah you are correct. I guess that I am going to have to stream but not sure if the services offer that. ATM i am working on the schedual and seting up recording from it
[22:40:54] bobweaver: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Content_Service#Ad . . . ngLiveStream
[22:41:25] bobweaver: Not sure how to set HLS like that
[22:42:52] dekarl: bobweaver: what does interval 500 refer to?
[22:42:58] bobweaver: dekarl, did you watch the video that I posted here ? if not here it is you can see that I used mp4box to alter a mp4 to work (_out star trek) but that was from the backend
[22:43:09] dekarl: i could not find that in the Android SDK documentation
[22:43:11] bobweaver: let me find the stack ex post
[22:43:22] Captain_Murdoch2: stichnot, it's supposed to do that. we decided we wanted to delete the quick blips during channel changes. the delete code should handle that fine as it's also something a user can do manually. one user can delete a LiveTV recording in the middle of an existing live chain.
[22:43:33] bobweaver: dekarl, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4728085/ca . . . rtain-videos
[22:44:27] dekarl: that's the same link as above, talks about MP4 files, so it does not apply from my understanding
[22:44:43] dekarl: does not apply to HLS streaming ;)
[22:44:50] Captain_Murdoch2: stichnot, would be easy to make it not do that but it may make things more complicated such as skipping backwards through multiple 1–2 second-long channel change segments.
[22:45:46] bobweaver: dekarl, so I have a bunch of files on my backend when I call to get them it gives the error that is in that post. But if I loginto backend and run mp4box foo it lets me play the file that i just converted via mp4box
[22:46:24] bobweaver: get them = http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Content_Service#GetVideo
[22:47:26] dekarl: ahh, mp4box -inter 500 optimize file by interleaving in 500 second chunks
[22:48:15] bobweaver: yeah
[22:48:24] Captain_Murdoch2: bobweaver, if you want HLS, you can check the mythtv/samples/hlstest.qsp page for examples on how to use the services api to create a HLS stream for remotely watching a recording or video file. this is in use by several 3rd party apps to stream recordings and video to iOS and Android devices.
[22:48:36] ** Captain_Murdoch2 has to go afk now that he's put in his $0.02. **
[22:48:44] Captain_Murdoch2: unfortunately....
[22:48:51] bobweaver: :)
[22:49:21] dekarl: bobweaver: I'm confused, the Android restriction was an example but you are running Ubuntu on an arm tablet and want to play it there?
[22:49:42] bobweaver: on the arm tablet/phone
[22:50:16] bobweaver: it also runs on Ubuntu and well any linux distro and anything that qt5.1 runs on which is a lot
[22:50:42] bobweaver: but no depending on X11
[22:52:31] bobweaver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xhMEuDiFM you can see at 1:06 time that i am playing the video but only some videos play due to issue above.
[22:52:36] bobweaver: dekarl, ^^
[22:53:20] dekarl: Pro HLS is that you get one container, one video codec and one audio codec only. the alternative is supporting "whatever video files the users comes up with"
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[22:54:08] dekarl: Pro raw file playback is that its without effort in the backend and without generational quality loss
[22:54:40] bobweaver: correct. or making a trancoder/whatver myself. For now it is about making more and more components to the Sdk that I am making
[22:55:13] bobweaver: things like WebView are not in qt5.1 for android ....yet
[22:55:25] bobweaver: qtwebkit sorry *
[23:00:37] dekarl: For now I'd go with HLS and leave the "low power compatible MP4+AVC+AAC file" creation and maintainance for later
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[23:05:35] bobweaver: dekarl, yeah that is what I am going to do. well later more components at this point. Just got done with the Guide component
[23:06:33] bobweaver: dekarl, https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rmsV99R8ay . . . 26-no/13+-+1
[23:07:28] dekarl: bobweaver: ohh, looks like you might like fanart.tv for series banners :)
[23:11:46] bobweaver: correct
[23:11:53] bobweaver: dekarl, you could make a plugin :)
[23:12:08] bobweaver: I will push code soon
[23:12:22] bobweaver: I have made a weather app in the past that I am going to use for myth we
[23:13:15] bobweaver: byut all that is later after SDK is together and 5 or so Themes are done.
[23:13:16] dekarl: bobweaver: I have wrapping fanart.tv around the tmdb/tvdb grabbers on my list, but I had a hard time understanding python and I don't want to wrap our python grabbers inside a perl grabber. :/
[23:13:46] bobweaver: dekarl, I have onr in JS/Qml for TVDB
[23:14:13] bobweaver: python is great but a little to slow on mobile
[23:14:18] skd5aner: bobweaver: what is it you are working on there?
[23:16:22] skd5aner: gigem: I looked in the logs, I didn't see any lines with "sr:" in them in the mythbackend logs. All of the other lines related looked about like this though: Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2242 (HandleReschedule) – Scheduled 4928 items in 40.3 = 2.84 match + 1.47 check + 36.02 place
[23:16:46] skd5aner: most were around that time, but varied wildy betweem 5 and 60. I had one that was something like 169
[23:17:07] dekarl: got to hit sack, see you around
[23:18:46] bobweaver: skd5aner, A forntend for myth tv but wrote in Qml
[23:18:56] skd5aner: cool
[23:19:52] skd5aner: anyone around who works on mythtv frontend for android?
[23:20:07] bobweaver: skd5aner, right now I am working on geeting all the Myth-Elements together
[23:20:20] skd5aner: I know they pushed something to trunk like 3 months ago, but haven't released it in the market yet :P
[23:20:26] bobweaver: skd5aner, No I am alone at this point someone has to do it :)
[23:20:36] bobweaver: lol
[23:20:44] bobweaver: qml ?
[23:21:03] skd5aner: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id . . . tv&hl=en
[23:21:36] skd5aner: ah, ironically enough – they updated it YESTERDAY
[23:21:38] bobweaver: Yeah I have that installed not powerful enough though it is good
[23:22:02] tafy: skd5aner: I am one of the android frontend devs
[23:22:21] bobweaver: I have talked to rhpot199` a couple of times
[23:22:37] bobweaver: I want to add some things from that but the eye candy is in QML
[23:22:42] bobweaver: Qml is the future
[23:22:42] tafy: skd5aner: it has been released to the market for a while
[23:22:48] skd5aner: hey tafy.... I suppose you can ignore my comment above. There was something I had been waiting for that you guys fixed long ago in your trunk, but looks like you just updated :)
[23:23:21] tafy: skd5aner: no worries :)
[23:23:27] skd5aner: tafy: yea, sorry... I could have worded better – I meant that an updated hadn't been released in several months :)
[23:23:33] bobweaver: Also I want something that runs on everything not just android everythingb
[23:23:44] skd5aner: bobweaver: I'm all for it
[23:24:16] bobweaver: qml runs on everything almost
[23:24:19] tafy: skd5aner: I also created a frontend for googletv however it is not free
[23:24:36] bobweaver: tafy, that was java ?
[23:24:47] tafy: yes java
[23:24:50] bobweaver: I made alot of Ubuntu TV
[23:24:55] bobweaver: frontend
[23:25:07] skd5aner: tafy: got screenshots and/or video? would be curious to see what it looks like even thoug hI don't have a google tv
[23:26:26] bobweaver: But Ubuntu TV is dead ATM nothing like what you all do around these parts
[23:26:29] tafy: skd5aner: you can see it on the google play store : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id . . . googletvmyth
[23:26:35] bobweaver: I just make things shiny and fancy
[23:27:02] tafy: bobweaver People like shiny things :)
[23:27:06] skd5aner: bobweaver: so why don't you work on the official mythfrotned :)
[23:27:52] bobweaver: because I am a qt-quick dev not a qt dev :P
[23:29:10] skd5aner: tafy: weird... my android phone is telling me I'm up to date on mythfrontend for android, but I'm obviously not...
[23:29:25] skd5aner: at least, if the latest release date is accurate (Jun 3)
[23:30:05] tafy: skd5aner: are you looking at the link I posted ?
[23:30:30] skd5aner: yes, it's the same link I posted :)
[23:30:32] bobweaver: skd5aner, I am also kinda making a new front end I know that I am going to have to make declaritive plugins to the backend at some point but I am not sure that I am that talented
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[23:31:48] tafy: the link I posted is for GoogleTV not the regular android app
[23:32:08] tafy: the android app was not updated since March 3rd
[23:32:32] skd5aner: Says "Updated June 4, 2013"
[23:32:51] tafy: skd5aner: Those are the stats
[23:32:56] skd5aner: tafy: here's the fix that I need – https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . d/issues/130
[23:33:04] skd5aner: without that, I basically see less than half of my recordings
[23:33:17] skd5aner: do you know when you'll be pushing an updated version to the market?
[23:34:14] tafy: skd5aner: I will talk to dmfrey who handled that
[23:34:45] skd5aner: tafy: and, actually... that "updated" field does seem to indicate when the application is updated, but that could just be if the description is updated too...
[23:35:04] skd5aner: tafy: but not just stats... I'm looking at several other apps that have seriously old updated dates
[23:36:00] bobweaver: skd5aner, you want to try my app that I am working on ?
[23:36:33] skd5aner: bobweaver: perhaps
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[23:36:50] bobweaver: ok let me see if it will run with minastro
[23:37:43] tafy: skd5aner: I just had a look at the developer console and nothing was changed since March 3rd so it is safe to assume that these are stats update...
[23:38:29] tafy: skd5aner: I contacted dmfrey to see if we could get a new release out.
[23:39:30] skd5aner: tafy: thanks
[23:40:35] tafy: skd5aner: you're welcome
[23:41:37] stichnot: danielk22: I have a question about some of the LiveTV plumbing, which has your fingerprints on it – [52259b82] . tv_play.cpp uses tvchainUpdateTimerId to forward a "LIVETV_CHAIN UPDATE" message to a handler in TV::timerEvent(). Ideally this would be a one-shot timer, as in practice it's a 1ms timer and I see the tvchain being reloaded from the DB several times until the timer is finally...
[23:41:37] stichnot: ...cancelled. Is a timer and forwarding even necessary here? I assume (possibly incorrectly) that both sides of this are executed in the same thread.
[23:42:01] bobweaver: Deploy Qt libraries. This may take some time, please wait. ....... I dont want to wait lol
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[23:43:23] stichnot: danielk22: Also, what do you think about just serializing the tvchain and sending it in the message, and letting the frontend avoid DB queries altogether for tvchain updates?
[23:44:10] bobweaver: alright it is working !!
[23:45:21] bill6502: skd5aner: dmfrey has asked for 10" screen shots of the app and since I have one, I added mine. That's why the June 4th data is there.
[23:46:35] skd5aner: bill6502: ah, that makes sense.... I figured it had to be a metadata update
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