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| [00:10:12] | wagnerrp_: | stuartm: themoviedb announced the sunset date of APIv2.1 |
| [00:10:27] | wagnerrp_: | likely time to clean up tmdb3.py and make it the default for 0.27 |
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| [00:27:34] | sphery: | stuartm: I think paulh did some testing of the remote DVD patch |
| [00:27:53] | sphery: | (and, iirc, he had some comments/critiques) |
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| [02:29:48] | danielk221: | The more I look at DB logging the worse an idea it seems. You want to initialize logging as early as possible and tear it down as late as possible, but DB logging requires a great deal on infrastructure to be running. |
| [02:30:57] | danielk221: | + the types of storage backends we can depend on people having (like myisam) are simply not designed for logging. |
| [02:32:28] | danielk221: | sphery: Beirdo_: What were we trying to achieve with DB logging? Maybe I can satisfy that need some more elegant way. |
| [02:42:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, I haven't tested the remote DVD patch, and only briefly looked it over when it was first posted. |
| [02:43:25] | jpabq__: | danielk221: wagnerrp mentioned some justification for it — something to do with being able to get good information for bug reports, I believe. Personally, I have always run with --nodblog ever since that option was introduced, but I am not your typical 'user' |
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| [02:46:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | danielk221, to get the logs out of MythTV I'd think that the syslog capability would be nearly as good except it doesn't have an easy way for users to browse unless using something like syslog-ng. grep is easy enough to use though. syslog also brings along with it the log rotation, compression, etc.. |
| [02:51:02] | danielk221: | Do typical users really browse the logs? My guess is that anyone who really wants to can find good tools to analyze the logs starting with the text form. Anything we come up with for the DB logs wouldn't be as good as those tools. |
| [02:57:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | I agree. my tools are vi(ew), grep, and less. if the main concern is good logging and getting logging out of MythTV's hands, then syslog does that well enough. |
| [03:01:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | can even use one of the various web-browser interfaces to browse the logs. |
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| [03:44:34] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: the logging daemon was to allow the last few messages just prior to a segfault to make it out |
| [03:44:50] | wagnerrp: | the database log was because... i suppose because we've always had one, but never really used it |
| [03:45:31] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: one of the big issues with syslog is that it only gives you one second granularity |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | we could add our own timestamp into the message, along side syslog's timestamp, but that just seems clumsy |
| [03:46:18] | wagnerrp: | for what it's worth, the database log only has one second granularity as well |
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| [06:46:00] | dekarl: | If you want something special for good bugreports, you can expand http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/packaging/tree/de . . . ce_mythtv.py and look at the mythbuntu bugtracker where the reports from apport end up. We could e.g. add the basic backend configuration, what cards, inputs, diseqc, video source a user has configured. Or if barriers are on |
| [06:53:37] | dekarl: | and by "you" I mean "us". Some spare hand for triage might be useful, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv |
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| [14:35:19] | tgm4883: | dekarl, would you like me to see if I can get you a sample of what is currently reported to apport? |
| [14:36:52] | tgm4883: | currently it all gets sent back to https://errors.ubuntu.com/ |
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| [15:41:12] | stichnot: | jya: fwiw, I'm seeing new warnings, e.g.: mythplayer.cpp:4334:5: warning: ‘int avpicture_deinterlace(AVPicture*, const AVPicture*, AVPixelFormat, int, int)’ is deprecated (declared at ../../external/FFmpeg/libavcodec/avcodec.h:4663) [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
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| [15:50:54] | dekarl: | tgm4883: well, that was in reply to wagnerrp, danielk22, Captain_Murdoch and jpabq looking for the user stories supported by database logging. |
| [15:51:31] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [15:54:51] | dekarl: | though it makes me a bit sad to see tickets that say "this is my first issue ticket to an open source application" that have not seen any sign of reaction in a year. |
| [15:55:52] | dekarl: | I need to look at the "MythTV wants you!" list of non-coding-contributions if triage over at ubuntu is on it |
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| [16:50:31] | tgm4883: | dekarl, our bug triage is pretty terrible IMO when it comes to mythtv bugs |
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| [18:52:53] | exoon: | hi |
| [18:55:12] | exoon: | I try to setup my dvb-s2 card. it is running well with other apps. after I set the DisEqC I get "Could not get card ... Subtype: Unknown Error" |
| [18:55:41] | dekarl: | exoon: hi, I think you want #mythtv-users :) |
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| [18:56:47] | exoon: | dekarl, thx |
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