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Tuesday, March 12th, 2013, 00:29 UTC
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[05:39:31] xris: I don't suppose anyone knows anything about broken lossless mpeg2 transcoding.
[06:10:29] xris: yay, got nuvexport working again.
[06:10:35] xris: guess I should make it actually work.
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[06:17:13] fassbanger1: hello, question with mythtv, got it working with hdhomerun prime, just wondering how to go about getting live streams transcoded so i can shoot over internet
[06:17:16] fassbanger1: been looking around
[06:17:27] fassbanger1: does the jw player plugin support live streams or only recordings?
[06:17:54] fassbanger1: i've also been having trouble getting it installed, get error message after using admin:mythv for user:pass
[06:17:59] fassbanger1: ahaha
[06:18:03] fassbanger1: user : pass
[06:18:37] fassbanger1: and, just saw this is dev chat
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[15:59:20] stichnot: xris: mythtranscode (at least the cutting part) has been out to lunch for a few years, in terms of how it works for my HDHR recordings. I've heard rumors that Captain_Murdoch may have plans in the context of HLS. If no one else does anything, I may put it on my list after Live TV.
[16:07:52] Captain_Murdoch: as part of the HLS work, I created a generic AVFormatWriter class that can be used to write libav* codecs and containers. I originally intended on later ripping out the NuppelVideo portion of the software encoder and just using AVFormatWriter in all lossy transcoding. then later I think we decided we could drop framegrabber support so the only use of AVFormatWriter would be transcoding.
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[16:08:13] Captain_Murdoch: excellent timing on my part.
[16:10:41] jheizer: haha
[16:24:43] skd5aner: danielk22: I have an opinion to share on logging – doing UTC can be very difficult – especially for the filename. Local time is SOOOOO much easier to understand when looking for a log by name, and when looking through the logs
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[16:38:40] stichnot: Captain_Murdoch: is the AVFormatWriter mechanism suitable for lossless transcoding (cutting)?
[16:39:37] Captain_Murdoch: no, it's frame based, it doesn't handle giving it raw packets, but could be extended possibly. I Haven't looked at how hard that woudl be with libav*.
[16:40:30] stichnot: skd5aner: That was my initial reaction when the UTC code was committed, but for the most part I just got used to it and did the translation automatically in my head.
[16:43:33] Captain_Murdoch: I think it's probably a matter of preference that depends on whether you run your computer in local or UTC. if in UTC and all other logs are in UTC, then having MythTV logs in UTC makes sense. if all your other logs are in local then having MythTV in local makes sense. perhaps we could auto-detect
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[16:47:19] stichnot: It's probably pretty simple and benign to offer a command-line option to control UTC/local time in the --logpath filenames and log entry timestamps. Regarding the recording filenames, my understanding is that we are planning to move chanid/starttime into a single token, and who knows what the resulting filename will look like.
[16:48:29] Captain_Murdoch: some 20-digit hexadecimal number .mpg just to confuse people... :)
[16:58:55] xris: stichnot: mythtranscode out to lunch for lossless mpeg2, or nuvexport?
[16:59:01] xris: (granted, neither work at the moment)
[17:00:44] danielk22: skd5aner: So your vote is for localtime for both the --logdir named files and the datestamps in the log ? Won't there be a problem comparing datetimes in say the scheduler with these local time time stamps?
[17:03:39] stichnot: xris: I'm talking about mythtranscode. I've almost never used nuvexport.
[17:05:02] xris: I fixed a couple of x264 parameter issues in nuvexport last night, but mythtranscode segfaults
[17:05:18] xris: nuvexport is basically just a "pretty" wrapper around mythtranscode and mythffmpeg
[17:15:12] stichnot: My failure mode is that it gets the "Deadlock detected, one buffer full while another buffer empty" message (typing from memory) on pretty much all HDHR recordings. And of course there is no h.264 support.
[17:32:28] Captain_Murdoch: lossless side doesn't get much attention and needs to be redone. I still wonder sometimes whether it would be easier for us to just have a patched mythffmpeg that could handle things like our cutlist.
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[17:48:47] stichnot: Interesting idea. I wonder if a simple ffmpeg filter could work.
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[22:04:19] xris: Captain_Murdoch: I'd love to see mythffmpeg support the cutlist. that'd take mythtranscode out of the equation.
[22:05:04] xris: any chance anyone is around to help me debug? I'm way out of practice on figuring out segfaults. It's pretty easy for me to simulate now, though.
[22:05:14] xris: probably some stupid around --fifodir
[22:13:30] stuartm: 1 inch of snow on roads in the south and suddenly 'hundreds' of motorists are abandoning their vehicles or having to sleep in their cars overnight, heaven forbid they ever travel a couple of hundred miles north in Winter where we actually get snow measured in feet (and they would get tickets for obstructing the public highway if they abandoned their vehicles so easily)
[22:14:50] stuartm: "We nearly froze to death" from a couple wearing what appears to be 15 layers of clothing, in their car with the engine running and overnight temperatures of only -3 C
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[22:30:51] xris: stuartm: 15 layers of bermuda shorts still means frozen feet.  :)
[22:32:35] dekarl: xris, maybe. But I think it has not been proven, yet.
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[22:42:00] stichnot: stuartm: sounds like you're describing California
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[23:06:17] skd5aner: danielk221: I don't feel extremly strong about it, but it can be confusing when I trying to troubleshoot something during primetime and in my case that means the date timestamp actually reflects tomorrow in UTC. I personally would guess that a signficant majority of users probably don't leverage UTC.
[23:07:23] skd5aner: danielk221: I know UTC has been a long debate around here and I don't mean to rehash it. I think it has merits for backend level things, but exposing UTC values instead of Local time to the users doesn't really help the majority imho
[23:09:46] wagnerrp: skd5aner: UTC is only exposed in the filenames, which users shouldn't care about anyway, and the logging, which is potentially questionable
[23:11:53] skd5aner: wagnerrp: well, and custom rules too – where you have to now account for UTC to Local Time
[23:12:14] skd5aner: or, "think" in UTC, which isn't really easy to do in that regard
[23:12:49] wagnerrp: we could make the UI rewrap any use of the timestamp fields in power rules to automatically perform the time conversion
[23:13:14] skd5aner: But, I'm just putting it out there while danielk221 was askign for feedback :) I'd welcome others to comment on the impact or not
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