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| [04:00:34] | gigem: | jpabq: My guess is the scheduler still thinks the recording is in progress. That's the only way it could stay in the E state. After the recording "finished", the key things to look at are the duplicate values in recorded and oldrecorded. |
| [04:46:30] | jpabq: | gigem: thanks. duplicate is 0 in both places. Looking at the logs, it does NOT show the recording having completed. It looks like the signal monitor never timed out like it is supposed to. I know how to reproduce the circumstances, so I will look into it further. |
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| [16:17:07] | stichnot: | jams: drussell_: just catching up with yesterday's logs and observations about analog live TV. Both logs look unrelated to the recent Master fix (soon to go into 0.26). They look more like RingBuffer issues with respect to actual files rather than streaming from the backend. I'll see if I can reproduce that on my backend. Though I'm puzzled why it would be different for digital tuners. |
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| [18:05:47] | ** tonsofpcs missed this analog tv discussion *pokes backwards* ** | |
| [18:13:22] | jams: | stichnot, sounds good..let me know if/when you need more info |
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| [18:15:22] | tonsofpcs: | jams: what do you mean by 'only works about 10%' ? does it throw an error or just give black video when it fails? |
| [18:18:07] | jams: | tonsofpcs, it goes back to the main menu with an error about not being able to open the jump file |
| [18:19:36] | tonsofpcs: | interesting. I know when I used to use happauge stuff with wintv, there were often issues initializing a card in one mode (which mode dependend on the card but basically you had to start it in one mode then switch to another otherwise it would freak out at you) |
| [18:21:23] | jpabq: | danielk22, stuartm, et al.: I remember once-upon-a-time that there was a time-out mechanism in the signal monitor. It looks like that has been completely ripped out, but that causes a problem if it never gets a lock. I have written a quick patch to put it back in, but it makes me wonder what the timeouts should be. For analog I set it to 30 seconds. For everything else I am setting it to 5 minutes — but should that be larger for some reason? |
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| [18:59:29] | stuartm: | 5 minutes seems like a very long time |
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| [19:30:59] | jpabq: | stuartm: agreed. However, right now it is effectively infinite, so 5 minutes is a lot less than that! I guess I am worried about rotors and such... |
| [19:31:32] | wagnerrp: | what percentage of people do you think actually use diseqc rotors? |
| [19:31:59] | wagnerrp: | even then, i can't imagine it would take more than ~10 seconds for a rotor to realign itself |
| [19:34:23] | stuartm: | we can have two different values, those were a switch/rotor is configured and those without, but I'm with wagnerrp on this, a rotor that takes more than 20 seconds at most to align seems close to useless for a DVR ... |
| [19:36:18] | stuartm: | we want any timeout to allow for brief interruptions of course, they can happen in bad weather for example, but we don't want to keep users waiting in livetv for 5 minutes for something that's not going to happen |
| [19:37:47] | stuartm: | and of course if we ever leveraged a failure of the signal monitor to lock on to trigger automatic reschedules then we'd want to do that as quickly as possible so that we might reschedule the same showing but on a different source |
| [19:39:02] | stuartm: | it would be pretty cool if we detected a loss of signal on DVB-T and switched recordings to DVB-S or vice-versa ;) |
| [19:43:12] | ** wagnerrp should get the file scanner finished up and in place, so he can start working on the serverpool stuff ** | |
| [19:45:58] | jpabq: | stuartm: I completely agree with everything you just said. Right now I am just trying to get it to understand that it should try to record a future episode because it failed on this one. |
| [19:46:11] | jpabq: | I am happy to set the timeout to 30 seconds across the board... |
| [19:55:02] | tonsofpcs: | stuartm: I have a rotator that can take up to a minute (guess) to swing across the arc |
| [19:56:37] | tonsofpcs: | (i'm not using it in myth, it's just a point of reference) |
| [19:56:57] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: a satellite rotor? or a TV rotor? |
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| [19:57:04] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: dish. |
| [19:57:18] | wagnerrp: | how large of an arc are you talking about? |
| [19:57:25] | tonsofpcs: | horizon to horizon |
| [19:57:34] | wagnerrp: | so 180deg |
| [19:57:41] | tonsofpcs: | not quite |
| [19:57:57] | tonsofpcs: | (I'm not at the equator) |
| [19:58:24] | stuartm: | tonsofpcs: no-one uses then in the UK, I've never even seen one so I'll admit I'm no expert :) |
| [19:58:30] | tonsofpcs: | furthest west I can see is probably ~130W, furthest east is probably about 20W |
| [19:58:45] | tonsofpcs: | (although I may be able to see further east but there's nothing facing north america there) |
| [19:59:00] | stuartm: | s/then/them/ |
| [20:00:11] | tonsofpcs: | they get used in the middle of nowhere by folks that want TV. They mount a 2–4m antenna on a pole to clear trees/nearby hills and have a rotator on it and either a bunch of LNBs or a LNB rotator/flipper set-up |
| [20:01:17] | tonsofpcs: | we have one at work that we use for 'wild feeds' that has two LNBs (one C one Ku) and a LNB rotator along with a single-axis dish rotator (the system is built so that the dish follows the arc as it turns e-w) |
| [20:01:18] | wagnerrp: | i'm sure hardly anyone uses them for dish/directv, since they just give you multiple LNBs |
| [20:01:33] | wagnerrp: | which leaves people using FTA satellite, which simply isn't that common in NA |
| [20:01:34] | tonsofpcs: | I doubt anyone uses it for DBS |
| [20:02:26] | tonsofpcs: | I suppose there may be a few folks in hard-to-get-DBS places that use a larger dish and a rotator because having two or more 2m dishes is expensive and painful |
| [20:03:05] | stuartm: | largest dish I've seen here (excluding those on government/military installations, or radio telescopes :p) is maybe 1m, almost all are 40 cm elliptical these days and mounted on side walls of properties, further north you'll find 60cm elliptical (which is what I have because of some trees in the LOS) |
| [20:03:30] | tonsofpcs: | well, C-band needs a bigger dish |
| [20:03:33] | wagnerrp: | people use 2M dishes for C-band stuff |
| [20:03:50] | wagnerrp: | they're usually black wire grid, rather than solid |
| [20:03:53] | tonsofpcs: | that said, the largest dish we have at work has a Ku feedhorn. |
| [20:04:10] | tonsofpcs: | yea, I don't understand the wire grid v. solid. |
| [20:04:32] | tonsofpcs: | at the density that tthe grid needs to be to work for C-band, the wind loading is the same if not worse. |
| [20:04:48] | tonsofpcs: | I suppose it *might* benefit in snow but even that I'm not sure about |
| [20:05:23] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: that's the other thing, all dishes here since the transition to digital are mesh, so there's a whole other world to satellite tv that I'm blissfully unaware of |
| [20:05:37] | tonsofpcs: | (our big dish is 7 or 8 m, our 'small' steerable is... 1.6m?) |
| [20:06:22] | stuartm: | diseqc, rotors, switches ... all but unheard of |
| [20:06:30] | tonsofpcs: | stuartm: the difference between a mesh dish and a solid dish is simply that one is made of mesh and one is made of solid :) |
| [20:07:05] | tonsofpcs: | (also, larger mesh dishes are segmented differently from solid dishes for delivery and installation) |
| [20:07:50] | stuartm: | tonsofpcs: well yeah, that much I can figure for myself :) material cost and probably appearance being the main reason for them being preferred here |
| [20:08:24] | tonsofpcs: | I still don't understand diseqc on coax. It seems that you should run your control separately as much as possible when you're trying to get a low strength signal from a really tiny reflector.... |
| [20:08:25] | stuartm: | I can't imagine it makes much of a difference, but maybe they are also more stable in light winds? |
| [20:08:56] | stuartm: | less susceptible to heat related warping maybe |
| [20:09:20] | tonsofpcs: | stuartm: doubtful. Perhaps in /very/ light winds (like, a critter passed gas nearby), but in high winds they are the same or worse. |
| [20:12:15] | tonsofpcs: | quick look on a sat forum shows that mesh dishes tend to be lighter (less mass)... so maybe they're easier to mount? |
| [20:21:46] | stuartm: | I think it's just a case of being cheaper to transport and a few pennies cheaper in material terms, which for a large satellite broadcaster like Sky or Dish adds up to pay for the executive lunch bill on one day of the year |
| [20:23:33] | tonsofpcs: | eh, tehy pass the cost on to the customer with markup anyway |
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| [20:52:50] | jr3us: | hi all. I'm trying to build the mythbuntu packages so I can test some changes, but having a problem with dependencies as follows: |
| [20:53:01] | jr3us: | git clone git://github.com/MythTV/packaging.git |
| [20:53:27] | jr3us: | trying that again.. this time copying first |
| [20:54:14] | jr3us: | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| [20:54:14] | jr3us: | libtag1-dev : Depends: libtag1c2a (= 1.7–1ubuntu5) but 1.8–1~ppa2~precise is to be installed |
| [20:54:48] | jr3us: | any ideas what i need to tweak to fix that. This is on ubuntu 12.04 fully up to date |
| [20:56:33] | jr3us: | and fixes/.26 |
| [20:57:47] | wagnerrp: | this is the development channel, you probably want #mythtv-users |
| [20:58:05] | wagnerrp: | although technically, you really want #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [20:58:32] | jr3us: | ok. thanks! will check there |
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| [23:18:22] | stuartm: | my backend has started reporting that recording files are missing for in-progress recordings, but they are there ... |
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