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| [03:56:34] | tonsofpcs: | gigem: reread #11207 and find it a bit interesting that dannyfiru has HDHomeRun Prime(s). I'm using HDHomeRun Duals... perhaps something with the HDHR code isn't properly reflecting status when you check schedules? (just guessing. I know it *shouldn't* be, but...) |
| [03:56:34] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11207 ** | |
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| [12:30:02] | Tobbe5178: | i have found a bug |
| [12:30:18] | Tobbe5178: | with external channel change support in the ip tv recorder |
| [12:32:00] | Tobbe5178: | iptvrecorder.h contains a function IsExternalChannelChangeSupported but that function should not be in the recorder class, it should be in the iptv channel class. |
| [12:32:19] | Tobbe5178: | result is that the backend will complain about external channel changer support for iptv sources |
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| [12:32:36] | Tobbe5178: | since base class always returns false |
| [12:47:52] | Tobbe5178: | ive created a ticket for this in trac @ http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11365 |
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| [13:50:12] | stichnot: | cool – the brand new hard drive gets the same I/O errors. There may be hope for the other drive yet! |
| [13:50:25] | stichnot: | time to swap cables, ports, etc |
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| [14:41:10] | stuartm: | peper03: do you know offhand which dvd fixes have not yet been backported? I've got a disc here which plays (sorta) with master but not 0.26-fixes |
| [14:41:55] | stuartm: | it throws lots of audio errors because the initial video/still frame has no audio |
| [15:21:57] | danielk22: | jpabq: jpabq_: Any idea where the call that resets the program number in the streamdata is? I can't see anything in DTVSignalMonitor that would do it. |
| [15:36:15] | danielk22: | jpabq: jpabq_: can you post your logs? I'd like to take a look. |
| [15:38:42] | dekarl: | I just love standards ... DVB uses an E-AC3 and an AC3 descriptor, but ATSC uses the AC-3 descriptor and its bsmod field (to signal AC-3 vs EAC3) ... (in addition to stream_type and/or the registration descriptor) The stream_type for E-AC3 is missing from the audio standard but can be found in another standard, which is not giving the format registration (its "AC-3" for AC-3, but what is it for E-AC-3?)... |
| [15:38:52] | dekarl: | </rant> |
| [15:40:09] | tonsofpcs: | dekarl: the great part about standards is that there's so many to choose from! |
| [15:40:56] | tonsofpcs: | also, sounds like DVB is doing it wrong from what you said. Having read DVB specs, that seems incorrect... |
| [15:41:17] | tonsofpcs: | (that said, I haven't read the ones specifically tailored/updated for EAC3) |
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| [15:47:10] | danielk22: | dekarl: I have no idea why the ATSC/SCTE/DVB standards aren't more harmonized, it's mostly the same vendors implementing all of these. ISDB and DTMB I can understand better, there it seems part of the point is making it harder for EU & US vendors to compete. |
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| [16:13:29] | tonsofpcs: | DVB is beyond the second generation. ATSC is stuck in the mid-90s. What do you expect? |
| [16:18:13] | drussell_: | stichnot: What's your disk controller configuration? Are all your disks connected to a single MB controller in the SB or ar there multiple controllers on the MB or add-in cards? |
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| [16:36:37] | dekarl: | I have extended the patch for the E-AC-3 normalization a bit http://paste.ubuntu.com/1552610/ I'd like to push it after compile testing unless you veto, as testing all variants would need more samples. |
| [16:37:48] | peper03: | stuartm: From what I can tell it was #11275 #11276 and #11291 but you've commited those now. Did they help? Two of them at least were to do with stills. |
| [16:37:48] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11275 ** | |
| [16:37:48] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11276 ** | |
| [16:37:48] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11291 ** | |
| [16:38:11] | peper03: | s/commited/committed/ |
| [16:38:24] | dekarl: | stuartm / stuarta, any idea if this ITV HD fix is still needed (or maybe it needs to be extended) http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ata.cpp#n571 |
| [16:38:39] | stuartm: | peper03: I'll know tomorrow, waiting for the packages to be rebuilt instead of building from source |
| [16:38:51] | peper03: | stuartm: ok |
| [16:39:11] | dekarl: | maybe it can be reworked to checking for stream_type=privdata + the AVC descriptor |
| [16:39:18] | stuartm: | dekarl: no, it shouldn't be needed anymore |
| [16:39:35] | stuartm: | they stopped obfuscating ITV HD a long time ago |
| [16:39:37] | tonsofpcs: | dekarl: does myth do its own handling of AC-3 dialnorm and DRC and rear-channel adjusting? |
| [16:40:23] | dekarl: | tonsofpcs: I have no idea of the actual audio processing |
| [16:41:09] | dekarl: | dialnorm is to make it equaly loud? (we're getting something like "make it equaly loud" in germany, too. but thats brand new) |
| [16:43:52] | tonsofpcs: | dialnorm is the 'dialog normalization level' |
| [16:44:19] | tonsofpcs: | the 'how' to calculate dialnorm is ITU.BS.1770 (Codified in the US as ATSC A/85 which is a much easier to read document explaining how it works) |
| [16:44:31] | dekarl: | I had been brainstorming about adding something like mp3gain/aacgain (lossless loudness adjustment via bit fiddling) to the lossless transcode or mythmusic "import handler" but never got anything done in that direction |
| [16:45:43] | tonsofpcs: | basically, you run the BS.1770 curves on the audio and find where the 'loudness' level of your 'key element' content (dialog for a talking piece) is and you set that. That becomes the center of the Dynamic Range Compression curve. It also makes the receiver adjust to 'center' that so that when you change between program elements and out of program elements and even change the channel, the /loudness/ levels are roughly consistent |
| [16:46:50] | stuartm: | peper03: SafeConnectToMasterServer() doesn't return anything but should be returning a bool |
| [16:46:55] | tonsofpcs: | on the receive end, you get a number like "24" or "17" or "31" as the dialnorm and you adjust the level by lowering it 31 – (dialnorm) dB before running through the processing chain |
| [16:47:48] | tonsofpcs: | much of the US is settling on 24 to be consistent, europe on 23 (they were originally on 24 but slid a dB for some reason). This doesn't really matter too much since the metadata of dialnorm is in the AC3 (or other conveyence) |
| [16:48:36] | stuartm: | peper03: and when swapping GetMasterHostPrefix().isEmpty() for SafeConnectToMasterServer() the logic is inverted, we end up dispatch a RECONNECT_FAILURE if the reconnect succeeds |
| [16:48:40] | dekarl: | hmm, thinking about it... why not do the loudness analysis ourselves instead, allowing to mix and match ATSC with Bluray and Youtube content, all appearing equaly loud? |
| [16:49:07] | tonsofpcs: | because the loudness is measured by the key element, not the entire audio track |
| [16:49:29] | tonsofpcs: | you could trust the ATSC dialnorm and analyze the other content (if it doesn't include such) as if it is all 'key' |
| [16:49:37] | tonsofpcs: | sorry, s/key/anchor/g |
| [16:52:02] | dekarl: | so watching a dialouge will have different loudness if its set in the middle of the woods vs. next to a jack-hammer? (the dialogue being the anchor if I understood correctly) |
| [16:52:44] | tonsofpcs: | the idea is that since digital convneyence allows for (near) infinite dynamic range whereas analog conveyence had to be pre-processed, we need something to line things up by. |
| [16:53:09] | tonsofpcs: | We don't want to restrict producers to make a jackhammer just as loud as a human voice talking, we want a human voice talking to always sound like a human voice talking. A jackhammer should be louder. |
| [16:53:47] | tonsofpcs: | The DRC profiles allow for handling compression so that someone watching tv at night (with their decoder set to 'night mode') doesn't wake the neighbors with jackhammering but someonne in a home theater setting can feel the jackhammer |
| [16:54:26] | dekarl: | I like the idea and mythtv already has a night mode :) |
| [16:55:07] | tonsofpcs: | so if your dialog is peaking on VU at -10dBFS, you're roughly at -24dBLKFS for a dialnorm of 24. |
| [16:55:25] | tonsofpcs: | if your jackhammer peaks 6dB louder, your jackhammer peaks 6dB louder. your dialnorm doesn't change. |
| [16:55:58] | tonsofpcs: | short-form content (commercials) get meaasuered a bit differently to prevent them from gaming the system by having bizzare audio levels |
| [16:56:47] | tonsofpcs: | but it's all based on the same concept that the anchor element piece-to-piece should always sound like it's the same loudness. |
| [16:57:38] | dekarl: | thanks for the explanation, its play time now, bbl |
| [16:58:04] | tonsofpcs: | as for 'night mode', there's three pre-defined modes: "RF", "Line", and "uncompressed" — sometimes called 'night', 'normal', and 'wide' or similar. RF mode is designed for when you're modulating to RF like in a converter box – it compresses the hell out of everything. Line follows the DRC curve 1:1, wide/uncompresse isn't compressed |
| [16:58:14] | tonsofpcs: | read A/85 when you have a half hour :) |
| [16:58:25] | tonsofpcs: | (it's free at atsc.org if you can navigate the site) |
| [16:58:29] | tonsofpcs: | have fun playing :) |
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| [17:05:08] | stichnot: | drussell_: I think it's dual on-board controllers. In any case, the problem was either a bad data cable or a bad SATA port, because now I have all my old recordings plus an additional 3TB of space. :) |
| [17:07:44] | gigem: | tonsofpcs: I'll try to get back to you tomorrow. Some of my weekend projects haven't gone as well as I'd hoped and I've been way too busy with them to do anything else. |
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| [17:17:09] | ** natanojl is reminded Paul Gilbert's Jackhammer, http://youtu.be/vB-T9TXFkpk ** | |
| [17:17:28] | drussell_: | stichnot: good to hear, I just know on some boards a second on-board controller is wired to the same place as an expansion slot so you can't use both at once... Doubt that it was the PVR-150 PCI slot but hey, as long as the DRIVE itself actually works it's a nice big WHEW! :-) |
| [17:19:39] | tonsofpcs: | gigem: not a problem. Just let me know if you want more logs. |
| [17:19:49] | stichnot: | yeah, I noticed the failure near the same time as installing the PVR-150, but it persisted after I removed the PVR-150... |
| [17:20:37] | stichnot: | stuartm: someone on the mythtv-users list reports that reverting jya's fix for 11159 fixes the BBC HD playback problem. |
| [17:21:51] | stuartm: | stichnot: he didn't commit that to master though? At least I only ever saw a commit email for -fixes |
| [17:22:07] | wagnerrp: | danielk22: re #11365, why would the IPTV recorder need an external channel changer? |
| [17:22:07] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11365 ** | |
| [17:23:44] | stichnot: | stuartm: yes, he committed to master and later to 0.26 |
| [17:24:08] | stichnot: | the user reports that the problem showed up in 0.26-fixes |
| [17:25:02] | stuartm: | ok, I can see it in the log, I just can't find a corresponding email (which is usually the first place I look) |
| [17:25:14] | Tobbe5178: | is there a reason for why the iptv recorder currently setup not to support channel changer scripts? |
| [17:26:48] | wagnerrp: | torbjorn? |
| [17:26:51] | Tobbe5178: | with my changes in ticket: 11365 to allow channel changer scripts again it locks up with a partial lock only |
| [17:26:52] | Tobbe5178: | yes |
| [17:27:05] | wagnerrp: | why would it need an external changer? |
| [17:27:20] | stuartm: | stichnot: nm, found it buried at the bottom of some HLS fixes |
| [17:27:22] | Tobbe5178: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dreambox-NetworkRecorder |
| [17:27:26] | Tobbe5178: | that is the reason |
| [17:27:36] | Tobbe5178: | maybe there is a better way of doing it |
| [17:27:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, a DVB-S(2) card |
| [17:28:44] | Tobbe5178: | i already have a dvb-t card but wanted to have the box as a secondary source |
| [17:30:04] | wagnerrp: | the IPTV tuner is specifically for IPTV sources, where a content provider offers channels as joinable multicast streams |
| [17:30:23] | wagnerrp: | you "change channels" just by joining the proper multicast group |
| [17:30:25] | Tobbe5178: | i know, thats why i have vlc setup (vlm) |
| [17:30:47] | Tobbe5178: | vlc streams the data from the dreambox over http and converts it to a udp stream |
| [17:31:00] | stuartm: | well you asked why an external channel changer isn't supported, the answer is that proper IPTV sources don't require one |
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| [17:31:13] | Tobbe5178: | true |
| [17:32:05] | Tobbe5178: | either way, there is one function in the wrong file, so if it is not supposed to work then IsExternalChannelChangeSupported() should be removed from IPTVRecorder |
| [17:32:27] | Tobbe5178: | it is just a cosmetic thing |
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| [18:00:17] | jpabq: | danielk22: I have attached a log to that ticket. Hopefuly you will spot something more relavent 2 |
| [18:00:40] | dekarl: | Tobbe5178: if you can come up with a generic TuxboxRecorder with udprec for stream transmission and tuning via some tuxbox api I'm happy to review it. (got a dbox2 sitting on the shelf to readd support for some years now :( |
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| [18:01:26] | Tobbe5178: | i think i'm going to to do it a bit different without the channel changer script |
| [18:01:43] | Tobbe5178: | only problem is that vlc keeps crashing after a few channel changes |
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| [18:02:59] | Tobbe5178: | and when i setup vlc (vlm mode) it goes thru all streams setup as vod and after 10–15 channels it segfaults |
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| [18:05:26] | peper03: | stuartm: Sorry, brainfart! How's this: http://pastebin.com/KibX3Kwf |
| [18:10:48] | stuartm: | peper03: almost ;) |
| [18:11:13] | wagnerrp: | any reason not to have tuxbox just use the vtuner protocol? |
| [18:11:36] | wagnerrp: | then it shows up on linux as any other standard DVB tuner, with no special code required in mythtv or any other linux application |
| [18:12:15] | Tobbe5178: | whats vtuner ? |
| [18:12:44] | wagnerrp: | it's a driver and protocol for network-attached tuners |
| [18:12:57] | wagnerrp: | runs through the stands linux DVB interface |
| [18:13:06] | Tobbe5178: | interesting |
| [18:13:20] | Tobbe5178: | what protocols does it support? |
| [18:13:33] | wagnerrp: | its own protocol |
| [18:13:50] | Tobbe5178: | hmm... |
| [18:13:59] | Tobbe5178: | sounds like i have some reading to do |
| [18:14:02] | wagnerrp: | there's at least one guy using it for this thing... http://www.nessiedvb.com/en/index.html |
| [18:14:31] | wagnerrp: | it's a little Linux ARM DVB-S2 box that exposes its tuners through the vtuner driver |
| [18:15:57] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying now that there is a standard, seems like the ideal solution would be to have tuxbox use that instead |
| [18:16:10] | Tobbe5178: | yes, definitely |
| [18:16:20] | Tobbe5178: | would be much better |
| [18:16:23] | Tobbe5178: | if it works |
| [18:17:39] | wagnerrp: | from the google code page... "Plugin for client configuration is now available for dreamboxes." |
| [18:17:48] | wagnerrp: | so perhaps someone already did it |
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| [18:19:52] | Tobbe5178: | i just hope i dont have to compile any drivers for the dreambox, last time i tried i gave up with the build environment |
| [18:20:00] | Tobbe5178: | it was a big pita |
| [18:31:07] | peper03: | stuartm: Oh, for crying out loud! That's what you get for trying to do two things at once, and quickly at that! http://pastebin.com/Zxbp6nbv |
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| [19:01:30] | Tobbe5178: | short question: how do you convince a fedora box install the proper kernel sources so vtuner can be compiled? currently it failes since some dvb header files is missing from the fedora provided source |
| [19:01:40] | Tobbe5178: | like dmxdev.h |
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| [19:58:16] | Tobbe5178: | i got all of the vtuner stuff compiled so it looks promising, but dreambox stuff complains about Invalid argument all the time |
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