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Sunday, December 9th, 2012, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:44] jpabq: stuartm: moving from that version of Fedora to Centos could be considered an upgrade.
[00:05:15] jpabq: gigem: danielk22: I have a "Find One" recording that "failed" (zero bytes). In my "Watch Recordings" screen it is properly highlighted as having failed. If I show "upcoming" episodes, they are tagged as "Earlier showing". If I click on one of them, it tells me it wont record because it will record at an earlier time.
[00:06:30] jpabq: Ideally, Myth would just automatically schedule that show to re-record. But I am wondering why the future broadcasts of that show are in that state.
[00:07:15] jpabq: gigem: what is the best way for me to go about tracking this down?
[00:32:05] jya: damn… found the commit that broke playback from Storage Group… it's 174c795297e92b612bae94c52c7a6289d68de89b , ffmpeg resync
[00:32:56] jya: why would that affect when you play from Storage Group only though? it plays if the file is local
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[00:36:10] jya: skd5aner: seeing that it's a FFmpeg issue, it could very well be the cause for your HDPVR file not playing
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[01:54:00] gigem: skd5aner: As already noted, that setting is going away. In hindsight, it never should have been added. If a user uses live TV, s/he almost certainly wants the scheduler to work around it. Since you can reproduce the problem, please send me the master backend log when using -v schedule --loglevel debug.
[01:57:29] gigem: jpabq: Are you sure you don't have another showing already rescheduled? The only way the status of future showings can be earlier is if anoter showing is scheduled to record or the scheduler is deadlocked. Does running mythutil --resched change the status? Also, failed can be ambiguous. Even if Watch Recordings shows some indication of failure, it doesn't necessarily mean the scheduler considered it
[01:57:32] gigem: failed. What is the status of the recording in Previously Recorded?
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[04:45:00] skd5aner: jya: yea, that was jpabq and taylorr's theory – and my thinking too... basically when I rolled back to 0.25 (twice) – it always worked, but then always broke when I went back to 0.26 and it only makes sense to blame the ffmpeg sync first :)
[04:47:31] skd5aner: gigem: I'll try and reproduce in the next couple of days, I'm having other troubles that make it somewhat difficult to get in to live tv to begin with... will let you know when I reproduce it for sure
[05:08:25] jpabq: gigem: Previous Recorded says "Find One – Tuning". So, I will dig into it and find out why it go stuck in that state. Thanks for reminding to look at that status.
[05:09:34] jpabq: gigem: I know what caused that recording to fail, and I should be able to reproduce it at will.
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[07:23:08] jya: guys.. I'm almost done with a ffmpeg resync… will either push to master (expect some instability) or push to a branch...
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[07:56:17] wagnerrp: could someone who speaks crazy respond to #11280 ?
[07:56:17] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11280 **
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[09:53:24] kenni: wagnerrp: done
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[10:57:22] dekarl: Btw, why would anybody create config.xml by hand? Because you can?
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[11:31:25] dekarl: wagnerrp, looking at the other ticket and mailing list posts thats a case for "use Mythbuntu to get started"... after all the Mythbuntu team has gone all the way and made it "just work" :)
[11:59:04] stuartm: dekarl: he's been using mythtv for years, and complaining about imaginary bugs ever since
[12:01:00] stuartm: fwiw I just edited my config.xml to specify a localhost and it worked fine
[12:01:46] dekarl: LocalHostName is for overriding the local hostname to run multiple different configurations on the same host?
[12:03:52] stuartm: it's for overriding the local hostname, but there are other reasons for doing that than multiple configs
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[12:04:39] stuartm: just the other day I proposed making it the default, the problem with system hostnames is that users can and do change them then don't understand why their mythtv install has broken as a result
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[12:06:09] stuartm: so always using the 'localhostname' but setting that to system hostname at first install as a default would prevent problems caused by users changing hostname or migrating to another machine
[12:07:32] dekarl: sounds good. changing the message to "no override for local hostname found, using system hostname" might help, too
[12:08:50] dekarl: hmm, or just do as you say plus upgrade existing configurations "no local hostname configured, yet. setting to system hostname".
[12:16:00] stuartm: or just leave it empty
[12:16:12] stuartm: but probably the latter
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[13:28:43] wagnerrp: stuartm: we need to do that in combination with replacing that value with an independent profile id
[13:29:05] wagnerrp: divest ourselves entirely of anything similar to the hostname
[13:29:08] wagnerrp: so there is no confusion
[13:30:19] stuartm: wagnerrp: we can do that for new setups, for existing setups we have to stick with whatever users have got now
[13:30:51] wagnerrp: take care of converting people in the schema update
[13:32:09] wagnerrp: dekarl: the "crazy" part comes in when he says he is using the config.xml file "verbatim", meaning his local hostname is "my-unique-identifier-goes-here"
[13:32:34] wagnerrp: which i try to explain to him is a special string recognized by mythtv as an unset value
[13:32:38] stuartm: just have him attach his config.xml
[13:33:13] stuartm: the problem with Udo is that his grasp on English isn't as good as he thinks it is
[13:33:33] stuartm: well one of the problems with Udo
[13:36:22] dekarl: wagnerrp: aye, which is non-empty. So I agree, the notice in the log could be worded better. But I don't get why he insists on doing everything himself when he's moving slowly from one blocker to the next. After all he did not hint on the reason he's touching config.xml in the first place
[13:36:59] dekarl: but I'll do as I was hinted to instead... less talk more coding ;)
[13:37:34] wagnerrp: kenni: thanks for the apparently ineffective attempt... :P
[13:42:05] stuartm: "my-unique-identifier-goes-here" is a bad default fwiw, it assumes the user speaks English – leaving it empty would work just as well
[13:42:55] dekarl: how about moving it into a commet (wrap it in <!-- -->)
[13:43:35] dekarl: doing something crazy like moving the explanation to the schema would be overkill imho (as joe user will not see it anyway)
[14:02:13] dekarl: #11283, DIVX+MP3 in two 650MB AVIs... He is doing it wrong
[14:02:13] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11283 **
[14:16:18] stuartm: divx, eww
[14:18:18] stuartm: "doing it wrong" = illegally downloading
[14:23:01] stichnot: stuartm: I'm looking at #11027. I want to add a widget to the pbb – <textarea name="groupfilter"> . Does that sound reasonable?
[14:23:01] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11027 **
[14:23:37] stichnot: and then the themer can use something like <template>Watch Recordings – %1</template>
[14:24:47] stuartm: stichnot: yeah that's fine, although I thought I'd already added that
[14:25:31] stichnot: hmm, I didn't see anything like that, but I'll take another look
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[14:28:40] stuartm: "group"? PlaybackBox::updateGroupInfo() – maybe/
[14:30:05] dekarl: stuartm, either way. If he's paying the cost (doing the ripping/converting or pirating with attached potential legal costs, doesn't really change anything) he might as well get the full benefits of a proper rip.
[14:30:54] dekarl: as I did'nt see an giveaway like release-group-filename I preferred to err on the legal side
[14:32:24] stuartm: anyway, let's try to avoid the phrase "you're doing it wrong", it's making a lot of people upset
[14:32:50] stuartm: if the bug he's reporting is genuine then of course we should consider fixing it
[14:37:06] stichnot: stuartm: you're probably right, and I need to adapt some of my local changes to test it properly
[14:39:31] stuartm: stichnot: could be wrong :)
[14:45:52] dekarl: stuartm, makes sense to avoid german bluntness like "doing it wrong". I'll try
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[15:10:32] dekarl: tada
[15:30:02] stichnot: stuartm: looks like "group" etc. have been there for 4 years. :) However, it gets reset when the focus changes from the group list to the recording list, but that can be fixed
[15:35:55] dekarl: I don't know how that backporting and cherry picking works, so I'll leave that for someone else if it's considered appropriate for that commit
[15:36:19] stuartm: dekarl: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11282 another one for you to fix ;)
[15:37:23] stuartm: dekarl: git checkout fixes/0.26; git pull; git cherry-pick -x <sha1 hash>; git push
[15:41:34] dekarl: I'm wondering what the issue with #11282 is as it works-for-me (2 seconds for 24k episodes)
[15:41:34] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11282 **
[15:49:36] dekarl: might be writing the temporary data to disk due not using an index thus hitting the join buffer size limit
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[16:08:17] gigem: jpabq: If a recording gets stuck in tuning for more than 180 seconds, Scheduler::HandleTuning() is supposed to force a failure. Perhaps that got broken.
[16:08:53] jpabq: gigem: I knew it was supposed to time out.
[16:09:20] jpabq: I wont have time to work on it until at least next weekend. I'll be out of town for the next several days.
[16:22:54] wagnerrp: dekarl: rerip the disc? what disc? it... uhh... broke
[16:25:40] ** dekarl was trying to avoid that assumption ;) **
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[18:41:25] tonsofpcs: gigem: #11027 – Allow Live... is set. I imagine you want me to move to the latest trunk/master version for this debug log? If so, where should I acquire it [mythbuntu]?
[18:41:25] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11027 **
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[19:30:18] peper03: stuartm: Just added an improved patch to #11276. This fixes the original problem as well as fixing the problem I was having with the 'Paul' DVD that caused the player to exit when I selected 'Play' from the main menu.
[19:30:18] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11276 **
[19:31:31] peper03: It basically cleans up the behaviour of the still frame timer so that if we skip a still frame because of timeout, there's no chance of the timer expiring again immediately (which causes the next still frame/menu encountered to be skipped).
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[20:00:57] taylorr: jya: does your new ffmpeg sync fix your playback issues?
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[20:33:10] gigem: tonsofpcs: I don't think the functionality in question has chnaged recently. It looks like you're running 0.25, so just send me the logs from that for now. If you want to upgrade to 0.26, that's okay, too. Note, right now, I'm only focusing on the scheduling aspect of this issue. There may well be other recorder related issues in play.
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[20:41:38] tonsofpcs: gigem: ok, will do.
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[21:17:58] tonsofpcs: I think I'll have a chance this evening. Recordings are currently running til 6pm – afterwards I can pull backend down and start it back up as suggeested; then 8pm there's a recording scheduled on Encoder 1 and another on 3.
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[21:27:24] stuartm: gigem, danielk22: something is definitely up with the recording failure detection, I had a recording fail just now – recorded a few KB, enough to produce a preview but not enough to start playback, then it stopped, backend thought it was still recording
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[21:28:42] stuartm: now I know the new damaged recording stuff only kicks in after a recording completes, but I thought there was also something added to catch recording failures in the first couple of minutes and try again? Or did I just imagine that?
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[21:35:15] tonsofpcs: actually, I don't care about the current show, deleting the record rule and killing backend now. you should have logs in an hour or so :)
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[21:54:08] stichnot: stuartm: For whatever reason, the theme I'm using has the "Watch Recordings" textarea nested inside another textarea. This means when I try to change the inner textarea to one named "group" with contents "<template>Watch Recordings – %1</template>", the template is not instantiated. Is this the intended MythUI behavior?
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[22:10:37] tonsofpcs: of course, it had no issues this time... I wonder if it had to do with having /two/ recordings scheduled last time and the first couldn't displace the second?
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[22:16:55] stichnot: jya: I would love to test out your ffmpeg resync in a branch, especially if the branch has the same DB schema as Master
[22:18:04] tonsofpcs: Looking at mythweb status, I think I figured out what's contributing to it (kinda, sorta)...
[22:18:33] tonsofpcs: When watching liveTV, the "recording" is scheduled to end when the program guide says the current show ends..
[22:21:20] jya: stichnot: I'm not touching the schema whatsoever… Having an issue resyncing the configure script however, taking long than I thought it would
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[22:22:14] tonsofpcs: the first issue I had, the current channel's show continued one minute later. I think I'll leave it tuned on a show that ends 30m later for this testing (I'm logging what I'm doing to attach to the ticket along with the logs)
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[22:30:34] tonsofpcs: hmm, properly handled...
[22:30:51] tonsofpcs: (although it did pop up the warning/option box which it shouldn't)
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[22:58:05] stuartm: stichnot: yes, it's at least the expected behaviour with the current code, it only looks for named widgets as immediate children of <screen> or <screen><group>
[22:58:59] stuartm: possibly <statetype> too, anyway there is a reason for that but nothing that can't be worked around if necessary
[23:00:24] stuartm: the principle catch is that once you start looking deeper for named widgets you've got to be really careful when naming things, you want to avoid accidental collisions
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[23:16:37] stichnot: stuartm: thanks, that makes sense, I just wanted to be sure
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