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| [00:05:22] | danielk22: | peper03: That may work, if you make a patch and test I'll review it. |
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| [00:24:07] | tonsofpcs: | so does 'live' buffer a full max-GOP or ?? (I notice that it always shows a second or two behind...) |
| [00:25:46] | ** tonsofpcs wonders what danielk22 means about AFD and the decoder not caring about presentation... AFD is a descriptor that's all about presentation... ** | |
| [00:27:59] | wagnerrp: | it's forced a couple seconds behind to ensure there are no filesystem irregularities |
| [00:28:08] | wagnerrp: | such as a remote NFS share that hasn't caught up yet |
| [00:30:09] | tonsofpcs: | ah, so any 'live' watching is actually recording and playing back? it is never really a direct stream? |
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| [00:34:30] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [00:34:58] | wagnerrp: | the backend records to disk, and then either the frontend opens it up separately to play it, or the backend opens it up separately to stream it |
| [00:35:09] | wagnerrp: | capture and playback are separate |
| [00:37:20] | danielk22: | tonsofpcs: I thought you were talking about the avformatdecoder not the AFD descriptor. |
| [00:37:34] | danielk22: | Do we even pass through the AFD descriptor? |
| [00:38:48] | tonsofpcs: | oh |
| [00:39:35] | tonsofpcs: | danielk22: wouldn't that be AVFD? (I have no idea what you do with AFD, the only local station here that embeds AFD is only on an HD channel and my display is 4:3) |
| [00:40:04] | tonsofpcs: | (I imagine that the MPEG-embedded AFD would be carried through the recordings unless you do some special 'straining' of content) |
| [00:41:17] | danielk22: | tonsofpcs: Sure carried it is in the MPEG, but I don't think we pass it along to the videooutput classes for use... |
| [00:41:56] | tonsofpcs: | oh, no idea there. Not sure even what display hardware anyone would be using that could carry it (does mythtv support anything with ASI, UDP, or SDI outputs?) |
| [00:43:46] | danielk22: | tonsofpcs: You would use it + the bar data to properly present material that letterboxed in some way. |
| [00:46:26] | tonsofpcs: | well, there isn't always bar data (in fact, I've never seen any valid AFD with bar data [I've seen AFD marked as bad with bar data, I've seen malformed AFD with bar data]) |
| [00:46:36] | danielk22: | For instance, I record 'The Daily Show' in 4:3 but it is letterboxed 16:9 content, and then I watch it on my 16:9 TV and it ends up double letterboxed. But the AFD data tells the TV what the active area is so MythTV could be smart enough to autozoom based on that info. |
| [00:46:54] | danielk22: | tonsofpcs: NBC sends out good data. Dunno about the others. |
| [00:47:37] | tonsofpcs: | right, but there are few SD channels that have AFD in the wild afaik. We send it out on our HD but don't for our two SD channels. |
| [00:48:04] | tonsofpcs: | danielk22: good AFD, yes, but with bar data? bar data is for when the 'standard' codes can't adequately describe the active frame |
| [00:48:38] | danielk22: | tonsofpcs: Actually dunno about bar data, the AFD's are there though. |
| [00:48:43] | tonsofpcs: | 16:9/14:9/4:3 centered, boxed, or 'safe' as well as 16:9 'top' (and one other I can't remember) are the 'standard' codes |
| [00:49:11] | tonsofpcs: | (and 'full frame') |
| [00:49:34] | danielk22: | Ideally the 16:9 -> 4:3 converters at CableVision will set the bar data for me, but I haven't checked if there is really good data. |
| [00:50:11] | tonsofpcs: | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j& . . . Ax5QWbP7Va3w – page 8 and page 10 show the standard codes (that don't have bar data) |
| [00:50:20] | tonsofpcs: | @G*@!*@%(*$^ google link sntealing |
| [00:50:43] | tonsofpcs: | https://secure.connect.pbs.org/conferences/te . . . O1_Final.pdf |
| [00:51:45] | danielk22: | Stuff like the early new Dr. Who needs the bar data though. It was in some wacky in-between ratio. |
| [00:52:17] | danielk22: | 14:9 |
| [00:52:24] | tonsofpcs: | 14:9 doesn't need bar data. |
| [00:52:30] | danielk22: | really? |
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| [00:52:45] | tonsofpcs: | 1011. |
| [00:53:28] | danielk22: | :) Learn something new every day. |
| [00:53:40] | tonsofpcs: | 14:9 is the 'standard' BBC compromise image format. We actually set our downconverter (for our analog air) to do a 14:9 cut on anything that lacked AFD for about a year as it provided a great compromise. Never tore too much off the sides of full frame content but didn't add so much black to annoy viewers :) |
| [00:54:53] | tonsofpcs: | 0010 and 0011 in a 4:3 frame are formats that I've never seen in the wild (flagged or otherwise), I'm guessing they're from telecine use? |
| [00:55:18] | tonsofpcs: | (16:9 or 14:9 'top of frame' boxed instead of 'center of frame' boxed) |
| [00:57:27] | tonsofpcs: | troubleshooting AFD inside MXF is a PITA when all you have is a hex editor, btw :) |
| [00:58:30] | danielk22: | MXF is a PITA. But we're getting of topic. |
| [01:00:37] | ** tonsofpcs stops discussing and goes back to watching mythtv :) ** | |
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| [01:11:01] | Mousey: | ...and on that note.. |
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| [01:35:14] | PatrickDickey: | Hi everyone. Where would I go to submit a feature suggestion. I'm not sure if it's a theme one or an actual mythtv frontend one though. What I'd like to see is a menu option in the Media Library (Recorded TV Shows), where you can mark an entire group of shows as watched. What I mean is where you have "All Programs" and each program listed, you could right click on one of those, and mark them all as watched. |
| [01:36:03] | jpabq: | PatrickDickey: I answered you in theming. Question probably should have started in users, though. |
| [01:36:33] | PatrickDickey: | Ahhhh Sorry about that. I missed it. It must not have popped up on my screen yet. Thanks. I'll go back there, and read the answer. |
| [01:43:10] | PatrickDickey: | jpabq: Your reply didn't show up for me in theming. |
| [01:43:44] | jpabq: | Odd. Did it show up in users? |
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| [02:37:35] | wagnerrp: | i keep getting floods of "Recording will not commence until a PMT is set", and 0-byte files |
| [02:37:42] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions of where to start looking? |
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| [02:53:48] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: the transport stream. Is this an antenna system? |
| [02:57:29] | wagnerrp: | broadcast channels, through unencrypted cable |
| [02:58:33] | wagnerrp: | happened twice since updating to a recent copy of master |
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| [03:07:05] | tonsofpcs: | interesting. What tuner? |
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| [03:07:54] | tonsofpcs: | actually, looks like what happens when a channel moves. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=804252 Perhaps you need to rescan? |
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| [03:17:16] | skd5aner: | gigem: do you have any thoughts on #11207? I know you've got other stuff on your plate, but it's pretty much a scheduler related issue I'd believe and a regression |
| [03:18:15] | skd5aner: | I've heard several reports of it in -users on IRC and mailing list – along with myself. Anyway – was curious if fell into your realm |
| [03:24:12] | wagnerrp: | channels appear fine, as i recorded from them earlier tonight, and proceeded to record on them after restarting mythbackend |
| [03:24:52] | wagnerrp: | seems to have been caused when starting up a new recording on one virtual tuner, when another was still active on that tuner |
| [03:24:57] | wagnerrp: | on an hdhomerun |
| [03:25:13] | wagnerrp: | however i can't find any commits in the past few weeks that should have changed any of that |
| [03:25:29] | skd5aner: | that's not good... you replicate it everytime, on other muxes too? |
| [03:25:37] | wagnerrp: | no, can't replicate it |
| [03:25:53] | wagnerrp: | happened monday, happened tonight... didn't happen two other nights of recording |
| [03:25:54] | tonsofpcs: | interesting. Is it possible that your HDHR is sending just the PS and not the full TS? (I know it supports both modes but I thought myth always grabbed the TS...) |
| [03:26:49] | wagnerrp: | i'm assuming it gets a partial TS, filtered for only those programs it wants |
| [03:27:35] | tonsofpcs: | can the HDHR actually send that? |
| [03:27:47] | ** tonsofpcs should snoop the data stream from the HDHR to his Myth box... ** | |
| [03:27:55] | wagnerrp: | the command line utility seems to indicate it can |
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| [05:17:08] | gigem: | skd5aner: Remind me tomorrow and I'll try to take a look at it. FYI, someone else (whom I can't remember) did the live TV/scheduler interaction. Even though I did review the code way back when, I can't say I'm real familiar with it. |
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| [05:18:59] | skd5aner: | gigem: no worries, thanks – will ping you either tomorrow or in the near future -thanks :) |
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| [13:12:56] | stuartm: | gigem: I like the schedule option improvements :) |
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| [13:32:49] | stuarta: | i'd be intruiged to know if it's faster ;) |
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| [14:13:10] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: a close inspection of any warning fix commits might turn up something, |
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| [15:57:12] | gigem: | stuartm: So do I. |
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| [16:00:28] | gigem: | stuarta: Do you mean the scheduler? If so, probably not as very little has changed under the hood. If you've got long scheduling runs, send me some -v schedule logs and I'll take a look. If you're using EIT, there's still a lot of room for improvement. I previously made some changes to improve EIT reschedules, but it needs someone familiar with the EIT scanning to actually use them. |
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| [16:05:17] | stuarta: | gigem: i've nothing specific at this time. it's a curiosity mainly :) |
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| [16:14:50] | jpabq: | How are we handing changes to external/FFmpeg ? Is someone maintaining a patch set for the next merge? Is is useful to contact janneg about such stuff? |
| [16:15:22] | stuarta: | <person> decides its a good time to merge up to <random_time> |
| [16:16:21] | jpabq: | the commflagger segfault pretty consistently on one of my channels. This http://pastebin.com/RVUKmcGv prevents the segfault. |
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| [16:18:00] | stuartm: | jpabq: jya and Beirdo managed the last merges, they may be maintaining patches although both have been very busy so I doubt they've had the chance |
| [16:19:25] | jpabq: | Okay, thanks. I just wanted to see if it was okay if I commit that change to extern/FFmpeg, or if should be handled some other way. I don't want to make the life of the "merger" harder. |
| [16:20:14] | jpabq: | I could try and dig deeper to find the root cause of the problem, but I am guessing it is just damaged video. |
| [16:21:07] | stuartm: | jpabq: you can wait a few hours to get a response from Beirdo, I'd not wait for jya as no-one knows when going to be around |
| [16:21:24] | stuartm: | you could drop them both an email I guess |
| [16:22:03] | jpabq: | I have it fixed on my production machine, so I am not in a rush. I just figured others may be being bitten by the same issue. |
| [16:22:56] | stuartm: | there have been various claims of playback issues since the last merge, may be that the patch fixes it for some |
| [16:24:02] | stuartm: | I've seen an odd corruption issue with mpeg2 on one channel only, at the transition to the ad break but that was with vdpau – couldn't reproduce with ffmpeg |
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| [16:26:01] | jpabq: | Yeah, current installed version of VDPAU is terrible at handling any kind of damage. I have had to go back to using software decode and just VDPAU for rendering. |
| [16:32:02] | gigem: | jpabq: Older nvidia hardware doesn't have the problem. I've gone back to using the 9400 IGP on my main frontend. I sent nvidia several samples of problems and got an internal bug #, but haven't heard back from them in a week now. Hopefully a fix will pop out in some future driver upate. |
| [16:34:02] | jpabq: | gigem: thanks for the update. It would be nice if they fixed it. |
| [16:43:47] | taylorr: | what nvidia driver version are you experiencing issues with? |
| [16:44:31] | jpabq: | 44444444 |
| [16:44:39] | taylorr: | 295.20 here |
| [16:45:01] | jpabq: | I am on 304. |
| [16:46:32] | taylorr: | I don't notice any issues with 295... I thought with debian-based distros you could go back to earlier versions |
| [16:47:42] | taylorr: | jpabq: is it you are going to be retiring your hd-pvrs? |
| [16:47:51] | taylorr: | err, is it true |
| [16:48:12] | jpabq: | I have no current plans to do so. |
| [16:49:12] | taylorr: | oh, I thought I read you were going to get comcast and cable card. |
| [16:49:40] | jpabq: | Heh. I probably am — but that is for work. |
| [16:50:37] | jpabq: | If that happens to work out well, then I might drop the Directv / HD-PVR, but that wont happen anytime real soon. |
| [16:50:53] | gigem: | taylorr: I noticed problems with anything newer then 295.x. The latest round of problems which prompted me to file the bug report occurred with 295, too. |
| [16:51:34] | Chutt: | gigem, what's the bug number? |
| [16:51:54] | gigem: | 1182660 |
| [16:52:49] | Chutt: | been confirmed by qa and moved over to engineering |
| [16:53:19] | gigem: | Good to hear. |
| [16:54:08] | taylorr: | gigem: ah, so my version is hit too... thanks for filing the report |
| [16:54:30] | gigem: | yw. |
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| [17:05:21] | Beirdo: | Good morning |
| [17:06:18] | Beirdo: | jpabq: I'm not sure who's planning to merge FFmpeg next. If I do it, I always take a delta from our current tree to the FFmpeg it was based on, and then make sure our changes are applied post-merge |
| [17:06:35] | jpabq: | Good morning, Beirdo. |
| [17:06:46] | Beirdo: | it's always best to avoid mucking with it if we can, but if we can't avoid it, go for it |
| [17:06:47] | jpabq: | So, it is okay if I commit that change to Myth's tree? |
| [17:06:57] | Beirdo: | can't see why not |
| [17:07:09] | jpabq: | Would it do any good to try and contact janneg? |
| [17:07:30] | Beirdo: | it makes merges rougher, though, so if you can get it actually in upstream, all the better, yeah. |
| [17:08:26] | Beirdo: | OK, I'd better get out to the bus here :) |
| [17:08:34] | Beirdo: | TGIF |
| [17:09:12] | taylorr: | jpabq: remember, Janne is with libav now... he's pretty much gone from ffmpeg and mythtv |
| [17:10:22] | jpabq: | Right. That makes it harder, doesn't it? |
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| [17:20:19] | stuartm: | he should still be approachable, and since ffmpeg/libav are still sync'ing with each other if you get the fix into libav it will probably be merged into ffmpeg |
| [17:21:15] | taylorr: | chatting with Mark recently it seems they are starting to drift apart |
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| [17:24:23] | stuartm: | what a waste of talent |
| [17:26:14] | taylorr: | yep, and no one has officially adopted libav yet.... so I doubt they are getting very good feedback on regressions |
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| [18:23:26] | hotwings: | anyone using mythtv in NA by chance? |
| [18:23:36] | hotwings: | oops.. wrong channel i guess |
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| [19:13:11] | danielk22: | Is there an easy way to convert from gcc "\u05d0" to UCS-32? i.e. is it as simple as say writing 0x05d0 or is there more to it? |
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| [20:25:09] | stuartm: | danielk22: nice catch on the fd leak |
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| [20:29:14] | danielk22: | stuartm: I'm not 100% sure it is causing any real world problems, but there is some fd leak and the fixed code could cause an fd leak. |
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| [20:35:16] | stuartm: | tried valgrinding? |
| [20:36:23] | Beirdo: | lsof indicate what the fd in particular is? That might help a bit too |
| [20:38:41] | danielk22: | lsof does tell us what the fd is, but I can't find any structure in MythTV holding on to that FD. |
| [20:39:03] | Beirdo: | interesting. what are the details? |
| [20:39:06] | danielk22: | lsof does confirm it is the mythbackend process. |
| [20:39:33] | Beirdo: | what does the fd point to, basically |
| [20:40:10] | danielk22: | it points to a recently recorded and recently deleted file. |
| [20:40:15] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [20:40:31] | Beirdo: | hmm, slow deletion code? |
| [20:40:52] | danielk22: | At first I suspected the autoexpire code, but as far as I can tell it isn't the cause of the problem. |
| [20:42:20] | danielk22: | The files were actually moved from their original location to a new location (both locations in a storage group) by a script, so I think the deleted is a red herring. + I did some debugging on the autoexpire code and it appeared to be a bit slow, but not enough to cause the problem. |
| [20:55:49] | danielk22: | anyone have the answer to my UTF-8, UCS question? I want to convert some of the gcc specific \u stuff in our strings to standard C++ that icc will accept.. |
| [21:01:48] | Beirdo: | haven't got a clue |
| [21:02:24] | Beirdo: | I guess to test it, you could try doing a hexdump both ways to see if they match |
| [21:02:40] | danielk22: | I |
| [21:02:59] | danielk22: | I'll just write a little program. I was just hoping to avoid that :P |
| [21:03:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, google *might* find something, but I don't know for sure |
| [21:03:36] | Beirdo: | and I'd be concerned about possible issues with endian as well |
| [21:04:02] | Beirdo: | 0x19, 0x45 might be wiser than 0x1945 |
| [21:08:01] | danielk22: | I believe UTF-8 has a fixed byte order so that isn't a issue with the current code, and I'll be converting to UCS for QChar initialization so it won't be an issue there. The problem is the current code relies on a gcc extension (which is similar but not identical to the C++11 implementation of the same concept). |
| [21:08:36] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [22:38:43] | danielk22: | I've pushed the UTF-8 string fixes. The UTF-8 and UCS were equivalent for all the codes we were using but from my reading on the topic this isn't always the case. |
| [22:43:06] | danielk22: | Beirdo: FYI about half the "compiler" warnings for master-f17–32bit are in from configure.in:55 I assume that is the zmq configure step run on make, is that correct? |
| [22:45:46] | stuartm: | danielk22: how long were you planning on leaving the verbose socket logging in place? |
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| [22:47:14] | danielk22: | stuartm: Not much longer. I think it is working fairly well based on the lack of socket bug reports... |
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| [22:48:04] | stuartm: | ok thanks |
| [22:49:00] | stuartm: | it has a small impact on system performance here when streaming, so I was considering patching it out locally or modifying my backend init script to disable logging |
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| [22:52:48] | danielk22: | The logging is causing an impact on performance? Just because of it's verbosity? |
| [22:55:23] | stuartm: | the verbosity yeah, at least I'm assuming it's that and not a regression elsewhere, writes would be larger and more frequent |
| [22:55:45] | stuartm: | it is pretty verbose during streaming :) |
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| [22:56:02] | danielk22: | stuartm: can you e-mail me a sample log? I'm wondering if maybe it is more verbose for you than me... |
| [22:56:03] | Beirdo: | danielk22: interesting, not sure there |
| [22:56:35] | Beirdo: | probably |
| [22:58:56] | stuartm: | danielk22: sample of what I'm talking about, http://pastebin.com/4dQRsqBa |
| [22:59:14] | stuartm: | I can still email a larger sample if required |
| [23:00:49] | danielk22: | ok, those I can get rid of immediately.. I thought maybe it was one of the "this is taking too long" messages. |
| [23:01:59] | stuartm: | cool |
| [23:03:03] | stuartm: | if it had been something more informative I'd have thought twice about ignoring them :) |
| [23:03:35] | danielk22: | The PRW ones are there because one of the last hurdles I ran into was these not being processed very quickly so I needed to look at when each message was sent and when it was received.. But I already fixed that problem.. |
| [23:07:23] | stuartm: | it's no different to the logging I add when debugging stuff locally, so I understand why it's there :) |
| [23:08:23] | stuartm: | well it's a little different, it's a more coherent and fewer expletives |
| [23:08:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:09:06] | Beirdo: | I've had some good expletives in logging before for debugging |
| [23:09:21] | Beirdo: | quite easy to search for capitalized F bombs |
| [23:09:50] | Beirdo: | just gotta remember to clean em up before committing :) |
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| [23:14:18] | Kevin`: | can someone PLEASE fix the client stopping responding or going to the main menu from streaming/tuning failures as a BUG? |
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| [23:15:42] | Beirdo: | is there a ticket in trac? |
| [23:16:05] | Kevin`: | probably not, it's been a bug for many years |
| [23:16:12] | Beirdo: | that is how bugs need to be reported |
| [23:16:23] | Kevin`: | i'm sure everyone's encountered it |
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| [23:18:19] | Kevin`: | the UI isn't showing a channel number in live tv so I can't delete channels in an attempt to somehow fix it |
| [23:18:29] | danielk22: | Kevin`: I've seen it occasionally but I've never been able to reliably reproduce it. |
| [23:18:37] | Kevin`: | maybe I can manually change the per-frontend starting channel in the database |
| [23:18:46] | Kevin`: | i've thought about doing that in a cron script several times |
| [23:19:05] | Beirdo: | not nearly everybody even uses liveTV, so... |
| [23:19:40] | Beirdo: | either way, most of us are insanely busy much of the time, so a trac ticket is still your best way to make sure it's not forgotten |
| [23:20:47] | Kevin`: | it's a design program really, the program shouldn't kick you back out to the menu while you are trying to change channels |
| [23:22:34] | Kevin`: | there's some deep problems |
| [23:23:54] | danielk22: | Kevin`: My suggestion was to remove LiveTV functionality. But I was out voted. |
| [23:24:23] | Kevin`: | what would you use for livetv functionality then |
| [23:24:31] | Beirdo: | a TV |
| [23:25:04] | stuartm: | Kevin`: it's just a reality that most developers don't actually watch live tv, they record everything they want to watch |
| [23:25:08] | Kevin`: | tv can't get a signal from the network, can't pause/rewind |
| [23:25:15] | Beirdo: | danielk22: yeah, I would vote the same if we want to drastically simplify design... unfortunately, a LOT of people use it |
| [23:25:41] | Kevin`: | where is the starting channel in the database? |
| [23:26:32] | danielk22: | startchan in cardinput |
| [23:27:09] | Kevin`: | is there a seperate per-frontend setting? my tv doesn't work but my laptop does |
| [23:27:10] | stuartm: | now we aren't stopping anyone from working on live tv problems, but very few people actually are prepared step up and contribute their time to working on it – if it's something that bothers you enough then get stuck into the code |
| [23:27:37] | danielk22: | Beirdo: It is unfortunately a lot of code that supports LiveTV. If everything was a recording we could still have pseudo-livetv it's just that channel changes would be much slower. |
| [23:28:38] | stuartm: | that is the way in which all work gets done in open source, someone has to be prepared to do the work – no amount of complaining can produce results on it's own |
| [23:29:14] | Beirdo: | danielk22: aye. |
| [23:29:21] | Kevin`: | I think there's fundamental problems with the UI design that would have to be addressed, threading done wrong or something |
| [23:29:28] | Kevin`: | that's not the kind of code I want to go into |
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| [23:30:25] | Beirdo: | mmm, scotch |
| [23:30:47] | stuartm: | I do think too many people forget or choose to ignore the fact that everyone who works on MythTV is just a user who volunteers some of their free time to the job for no reward whatsoever, if we all got paid it might be very different |
| [23:31:01] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [23:31:23] | stuartm: | Kevin`: it's not a UI problem, it's an error handling problem |
| [23:31:43] | ** Beirdo curses httplib2 ** | |
| [23:31:49] | Kevin`: | stuartm: the UI not responding isn't an error condition, it's blocking when it shouldn't too |
| [23:32:03] | Beirdo: | now I have to implement my own stupid timeouts. |
| [23:32:37] | stuartm: | Kevin`: it's the error handling code that is blocking |
| [23:33:06] | Kevin`: | ok, when I start the frontend on the tv, it shows a black screen (with a program description but of course no channel number to look at) and then kicks me back to the meny with "video frame buffering failed too many times" |
| [23:33:23] | stuartm: | Kevin`: as recently as last night it was being discussed and _may_ get looked at but equally it may not |
| [23:33:35] | stuartm: | Kevin`: file a ticket, please |
| [23:33:59] | Kevin`: | I was hoping you could help me get more information |
| [23:34:07] | Kevin`: | this is an absurdly common error by itself |
| [23:34:13] | stuartm: | this isn't the place to discuss this unless you are working on a fix |
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| [23:34:42] | Kevin`: | I don't care about the design problems right now, I just want my tv to work |
| [23:34:43] | stuartm: | Kevin`: common for you, if it were so common for the developers then I'm sure someone by now would have fixed it |
| [23:35:41] | Kevin`: | http://www.google.com/search?client=q=video+f . . . o+many+times |
| [23:35:52] | stuartm: | Kevin`: if it's _that_ important to you then you really should consider paying for Windows MCE or something instead, you cannot expect instant support for a free application |
| [23:35:52] | Kevin`: | bah, stupid google |
| [23:36:02] | Kevin`: | windows mce can't do live tv |
| [23:36:12] | Kevin`: | (networked) |
| [23:36:22] | Kevin`: | I would if it would solve anything |
| [23:36:39] | Kevin`: | please stop being hostile and help me gather some information |
| [23:37:47] | Beirdo: | you could try #mythtv-users |
| [23:37:57] | stuartm: | Kevin`: we are not being hostile, we are trying to be anything except hostile |
| [23:40:53] | stuartm: | I'm off to HR, going to demand a pay rise |
| [23:41:12] | Kevin`: | have another job lined up? |
| [23:42:03] | Beirdo: | I'm at my real job. |
| [23:43:50] | stuartm: | I'm wasting a perfectly good Friday night |
| [23:45:21] | Kevin`: | is there a per-frontend starting channel? the channel it's failing to tune isn't the starting channel from what I can tell |
| [23:46:03] | knightr: | danielk22,, it's not Japanese, it's Chinese... |
| [23:47:12] | knightr: | for the settings, the progdata stuff appears to be Japanese...) |
| [23:47:14] | Kevin`: | also, is there a default theme that shows the channel number? |
| [23:47:41] | Kevin`: | yeah, it's tuning 8–14, which is disabled and not the starting channel |
| [23:47:54] | Kevin`: | too bad I can't just run grep on a database :( |
| [23:47:58] | danielk22: | knightr: heh |
| [23:48:11] | knightr: | BTW, I hadn't put the UTF-8 character themselves in the code because I though they could cause problems... |
| [23:49:32] | Kevin`: | nobody knows why it's not starting on the starting channel? :( |
| [23:50:27] | knightr: | ps: I assume you thought they were japanese because the variables are called jp_something... |
| [23:50:55] | Kevin`: | maybe I got quieted or someting, I guess i'll just wade through the database until I find it |
| [23:51:08] | stuartm: | Kevin`: the last used channel is stored per virtual-tuner, changing the starting channel in mythtv-setup should change the value back to the same value on all VTs |
| [23:51:21] | stuartm: | cardinput table iirc |
| [23:51:46] | Kevin`: | the cardinput table has a consistant value and it isn't the one being used |
| [23:57:21] | danielk22: | knightr: I think those might be used in Japan too. I have a vague recollection of those calendar chars from college. |
| [23:59:06] | danielk22: | stuartm: would a 100% raise work? ;] |
| [23:59:59] | Beirdo: | hehe. |
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