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| [01:34:01] | danielk22: | jams: what percentage is using 4.6.x and what percentage is using 4.8.1 ? |
| [01:34:47] | danielk22: | By the time the next version of mythtv is released Ubuntu 12.04 might be a reasonable minimum and that is I believe 4.8.1. |
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| [01:57:48] | jams: | danielk22 6944 total active 4.8.1 88% 4.6.x it's 1% (rounded up) 6% unknown 6% for unknown The rest is 4.7.x |
| [01:58:41] | jams: | oops put unknown in there twice |
| [01:59:46] | jams: | checking stats with all hosts, not just active |
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| [02:04:57] | jams: | The percentage didn't change much. 14779 total reporting since we started keeping track. 88% 4.8 .1% for 4.6.x |
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| [10:34:03] | stuartm: | danielk22: for reference 11.10 is using 4.7.4 |
| [10:34:49] | stuartm: | but yes, if we wanted to we could jump straight to 4.8 since that's already supported in most current releases |
| [10:41:35] | stuarta: | stuartm: ah, yes, i was going to do a survey of debian stable, ubuntu LTS |
| [10:41:40] | stuarta: | etc for that |
| [10:41:46] | stuarta: | lemme log into my buildbot |
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| [10:42:41] | stuarta: | debian stable has 4.6.3–4+squeeze1 |
| [10:44:44] | stuarta: | f17 has qt-devel-4.8.2–4.fc17.i686 |
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| [10:47:17] | stuarta: | so the beirdo-linux-64bit slave is on the previous ubuntu LTS release |
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| [11:00:25] | stuartm: | stuarta: yeah, I checked Debian last night, Wheezy will have 4.8.x and they are a month into their second beta, i.e. release is on it's way in the next few months and perhaps before we release 0.27 |
| [11:00:53] | stuarta: | i can spin up a debian testing instance, that won't take too much effort |
| [11:02:41] | stuarta: | good to know they will be with the times shortly. |
| [11:02:52] | stuarta: | i hadn't had a chance to test yet |
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| [11:03:57] | stuarta: | s/test/find out/ |
| [11:04:07] | stuartm: | Q. If you're the sort of person who sticks to the stable packages on the 2 year old 'stable' Debian release (backports of QT 4.8 are available) then are you typically the sort of person who wants to run the latest bleeding edge version of MythTV? |
| [11:04:59] | stuarta: | tbh, i use ubuntu now |
| [11:06:00] | stuarta: | got sick of debian not having proper firefox/thunderbird |
| [11:06:00] | stuarta: | and also fedora, given who i work for now :) |
| [11:06:00] | stuarta: | to answer your question, i like my os to be stable, so i can build software on top of it |
| [11:06:11] | stuartm: | yeah, it wasn't a question at you personall |
| [11:06:17] | stuarta: | i know ;-) |
| [11:06:26] | stuartm: | y |
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| [11:09:21] | stuarta: | i'm currently leaning towards a new deb testing build slave and killing off the old one for master |
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| [11:48:53] | stuarta: | stuartm: build currently in progress |
| [11:51:13] | Seeker`: | Hey. Just upgraded to the latest mythbuntu 0.27 build, and I'm getting a segfault, here is a log with --loglevel debug -v all http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267309/ |
| [11:51:54] | Seeker`: | Don;t know if that is a known issue, just home for lunch and haven't had a chance to check Trac |
| [11:52:48] | Seeker`: | Seems to happen about 0.5 seconds after tuning with my DVB-S2 tuner. My DVB-T tuner seems ok. |
| [12:00:46] | Seeker`: | and a -v all from my backend http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267321/ |
| [12:06:25] | stuarta: | Seeker`: a backtrace would be better |
| [12:12:46] | stuartm: | stuarta: that was quick, you just happened to have an unstable VM setup? |
| [12:13:07] | stuarta: | by building, i mean the VM, not mythtv :) |
| [12:13:24] | stuarta: | the netboot iso was only 20M |
| [12:38:09] | Seeker`: | stuarta: don't have a debug build |
| [12:39:03] | stuartm: | stuarta: ah, heh |
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| [12:40:09] | stuarta: | Seeker`: the default these days is profile, which keeps enough debug info to be of some use |
| [12:40:30] | stuarta: | stuartm: that said i'm already up to installing deps :) |
| [12:45:17] | Seeker`: | stuarta: really doesn't look useful to me. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267362/ |
| [12:46:24] | Seeker`: | oops, pasted the wrong one |
| [12:46:27] | Seeker`: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267364/ |
| [12:47:49] | Seeker`: | time to head back to work, bbl |
| [12:48:58] | stuarta: | Seeker`: it's not actually that bad |
| [12:52:29] | Seeker`: | stuarta: i was looking at the first paste wh . i said that |
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| [13:00:43] | Seeker`: | stuarta: guess it would be more useful knowing those libmyth c alls in the middle |
| [13:12:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, feel free on 8852. |
| [13:12:21] | danielk22: | stuartm: This is a good time in the release cycle to rewrite the recording profiles if you're up for it. BTW Looking at the MythSocket code last week I found two significant leaks. |
| [13:18:19] | stuartm: | danielk22: rewriting rec profiles wasn't really how I wanted to spend my time, I don't use them myself, I don't mind ripping out that stuff because that's a lot less work but if we're going to keep the functionality something does need to be done with it, we can't keep pushing it back indefinitely |
| [13:19:23] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: thanks |
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| [13:22:34] | danielk22: | Wasn't someone working on porting the settings code over to MythUI ? What happened with him? |
| [13:23:08] | jams: | he became a daddy |
| [13:23:34] | stuartm: | that was Xavier, bulk of the work was done already, it's in trac as patches, but as Jams notes he's become a lot busier recently |
| [13:23:51] | jams: | although ithink he was done with about everything except the rec profiles |
| [13:24:30] | stuarta: | this daddy business takes plenty of time |
| [13:24:49] | stuartm: | it would be good to review his work and get it committed, but I'd be much more comfortable if a few devs tried the patches for themselves and were happy with the approach |
| [13:25:14] | danielk22: | Well recording profile editing could easily be made mythtv-setup only if that is holding up committing it. |
| [13:25:28] | stuartm: | danielk22: we already did that for 0.26 |
| [13:26:34] | danielk22: | Also If that is the only thing holding something up I could work on it. It's the worst MVC/MVP violation I've seen in years, I might enjoy untangling it. |
| [13:27:34] | stuarta: | masochist |
| [13:27:53] | stuartm: | to put it another way, I don't want to commit myself to resolving every problem we might find with the new settings code and I don't want people telling me they don't like it after the fact, if no-one signs off on the changes then I'm not interested in pursuing it |
| [13:28:04] | Seeker`: | . stuarta: any chance that segfault might be caused by the removal of the isempty check in RequestExternalContent? (only half looked at is as im at woek) |
| [13:30:14] | stuartm: | danielk22: yeah, it is pretty tangled isn't it? Better than it was though, I did a little work on it way back |
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| [13:32:08] | stuartm: | there were, maybe still are, other such examples in the code – mythmusic was a huge culprit before Paul rewrote it, he only had to rewrite as much as he did because it was so tangled up that it simply wasn't possible to convert to mythui without almost starting from scratch |
| [13:32:56] | stuarta: | Seeker`: i've not had a chance to look at the code, but that sounds possible, if it then acts on empty data |
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| [13:37:42] | Seeker`: | stuarta: thats the only obvious change to requestexternalcontent which could cause a segfaukt |
| [13:38:05] | stuartm: | Seeker`: this is with master? |
| [13:38:23] | Seeker`: | stuartm: mythbuntu 0.27, built earlier today |
| [13:39:10] | stuartm: | ok, yeah, that's the new iplayer stuff – I'll take a look |
| [13:39:24] | stuartm: | any channel in particular? |
| [13:39:53] | Seeker`: | stuartm: seen my backtrace/logs earlier? |
| [13:40:12] | Seeker`: | always repeatable for bbc one hd for me |
| [13:42:07] | stuartm: | I tested these patches for a couple of months earlier in the year but not recently, possible something has changed |
| [13:45:34] | Seeker`: | stuartm: let me know if there is stuff i can do to help debug it |
| [13:47:11] | Seeker`: | going to have to shut irc bfore it totally kills my battery though . bbl . |
| [13:48:35] | stuartm: | a backtrace with more debugging symbols might make it clearer, but I'll see if I can reproduce since that would be easier |
| [13:51:29] | stuartm: | not crashing for me yet |
| [13:52:59] | stuartm: | watching something on iplayer via mheg, still no crash :/ |
| [13:53:25] | stuartm: | picture quality sucketh |
| [13:57:49] | Seeker`: | stuartm: dont get as far as iplayer . just tuning bbc one hd makes it crash after about 0.5 seconds |
| [13:58:36] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yeah, I've tune to and away from BBC HD/BBC One HD several times with no crash, leaving it on BBC One HD atm |
| [13:59:27] | Seeker`: | any easy way for me to get a debug build of mythbuntu without having to work out how to do it myself? |
| [13:59:50] | stuartm: | tgm4883: ^^ |
| [14:00:25] | stuartm: | Seeker`: you might just need to install a debug symbols package |
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| [14:10:19] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I installed libmyth-dev, and get the same result (?? in libmyth somewhere) |
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| [14:12:00] | Seeker`: | eugh, I need -dbg not -dev |
| [14:12:16] | stuarta: | :-p |
| [14:12:40] | Seeker`: | can you tell I'm totally wide awake? :P |
| [14:12:55] | stuarta: | coffee( Seeker` ) |
| [14:13:12] | Seeker`: | ewwewwewwewwewwewwewweww |
| [14:13:17] | Seeker`: | pepsi (Seeker`) |
| [14:13:44] | ** stuarta fires off test build ** | |
| [14:14:21] | stuartm: | hmm, coffee would be great about now ... |
| [14:14:22] | wagnerrp: | silly, no one likes pepsi |
| [14:14:37] | stuartm: | pepsi taste soapy to me |
| [14:14:40] | stuartm: | tastes |
| [14:15:05] | stuarta: | taste like caramel to me |
| [14:15:09] | Seeker`: | pepsi max here |
| [14:17:35] | Seeker`: | stuartm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267458/ |
| [14:23:33] | stuartm: | Seeker`: much better, thank you |
| [14:23:40] | Seeker`: | stuartm: looks like csPath is empty when passed to CheckCarouselObject? |
| [14:24:59] | Seeker`: | or am I interpreting the backtrace incorrectly? |
| [14:29:59] | stuartm: | it's a reasonable suposition, although I can't see how that would lead to it segfaulting where it does |
| [14:30:22] | stuartm: | I can add the check for an empty string and see if that helps |
| [14:32:27] | Seeker`: | yeah, cant see why that would cause it either now I've looked at it |
| [14:33:30] | stuartm: | I can't see any code futher done validating the path, so it seems like that check would still be required |
| [14:41:41] | Seeker`: | I really need to put an SSD in my frontend. Think the harddrive is dying |
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| [14:54:46] | Seeker`: | stuartm: if you pastebin the patch you are thinking of using, I'll do a build and get it tested |
| [14:57:29] | stuartm: | http://pastebin.com/GMXZtEA6 |
| [14:59:38] | Seeker`: | stuartm: thanks, will let you know what happens |
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| [15:08:03] | stuartm: | danielk22: it would be interesting to see whether the netstream.cpp/h part of the iplayer patch can instead use the new http streaming stuff instead, save on code duplication |
| [15:08:55] | stuartm: | stuarta: when you get a chance, you should take the iplayer stuff for a spin, it's really good stuff if you can forgive the picture quality |
| [15:10:01] | stuartm: | it has it's own OSD, supports pausing etc and even without the low bitrate/high latency patches, it's fast and smooth |
| [15:10:19] | stuartm: | the playback bit I mean, the selection screen is a little glitchy |
| [15:14:44] | stuarta: | i'll see what i can manage |
| [15:16:59] | stuartm: | yeah, not important, just cool |
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| [15:17:37] | stuartm: | seeking is slow, and possibly needs to be handled better |
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| [15:30:54] | Seeker`: | compiling on my frontend takes sooooooooooooo loooooooooooooong |
| [15:33:37] | wagnerrp: | like five minutes |
| [15:35:17] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: longer than that |
| [15:36:54] | wagnerrp: | for the mythtv/programs/mythfrontend directory? nah |
| [15:37:25] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: I'm building a full set of packages (the mythbuntu repo ones) |
| [15:38:11] | Seeker`: | in the hope it will remove the chance of the certain kind of special I'm being today introducing problems |
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| [15:46:10] | tgm4883: | Seeker`, I'm not sure why building them yourself would make any less problems (unless you are adding/testing patches). If anything, I would say you may have more issues |
| [15:49:00] | stuartm: | tgm4883: he's testing a patch |
| [15:49:04] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [15:51:23] | Seeker`: | stuartm: patch applied, same problem |
| [15:52:37] | Seeker`: | new backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1267624/ |
| [15:55:49] | Seeker`: | tgm4883: I think that given the silly things I've done today, if i tried just building selective parts of mythtv, I'll miss something obvious etc. Just sticking to build-debs is easier and less error prone |
| [15:57:02] | tgm4883: | Seeker`, the recommended way to test patches is exactly how you are doing it. I thought you were just building locally to see if there was an issue with our build |
| [15:57:22] | tgm4883: | which is why I asked (as that wouldn't make sense) |
| [16:04:42] | stuartm: | Seeker`: one of the patches I just pushed claims to fix an mheg segfault, maybe it will help |
| [16:05:36] | Seeker`: | rebuilding now |
| [16:11:53] | stuartm: | crashes on connect() are ringing a bell ... |
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| [16:13:38] | Seeker`: | which bell would that be? |
| [16:14:16] | stuartm: | when I remember I'll let you know |
| [16:14:41] | stuarta: | it's a very dull bell, hasn't been polished in a long time.... |
| [16:15:05] | stuartm: | it's a familiar scenario, with a specific cause, but I can't remember the detail |
| [16:16:24] | Seeker`: | ah |
| [16:18:27] | stuartm: | Seeker`: don't think it will help, but can you try this? – http://pastebin.com/xYP5B3EW |
| [16:18:54] | Seeker`: | stuartm: i'll try it once I've tried the latest set of commits |
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| [16:26:19] | Seeker`: | stuartm: same problem with latest git checkout, trying your patch now |
| [16:26:51] | stuarta: | buildmaster is ready for a restart for the new slave when the 2 buildslaves go idle |
| [16:26:58] | ** stuarta heads off for a while ** | |
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| [16:36:51] | stuartm: | hmm, frontend segfaulted but didn't produce a core dump |
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| [16:46:25] | Seeker`: | eugh, getting stuff from github has slowed down to 8kb/s |
| [16:51:23] | stuartm: | Seeker`: ignore that patch, it's a load of rubbish |
| [16:51:32] | Seeker`: | ok |
| [16:51:49] | Seeker`: | any other suggestions? |
| [16:55:21] | stuartm: | not right now, you can disable mheg for the time being, I'll look at it again tonight but I need to do some cooking now |
| [16:55:35] | Seeker`: | stuartm: how do I disable it? |
| [16:58:31] | Beirdo: | stuarta: yeah, my backend runs 10.04 with some packages upgraded to more recent (like libx264) |
| [16:59:05] | Beirdo: | but don't let that be a reason not to change the Qt minimum requirement. I can upgrade Qt as needed |
| [16:59:44] | Beirdo: | I think the difficulty of keeping 10.04 current enough in other areas would mean that most users are likely on 12.04 now |
| [17:03:26] | Beirdo: | and on that note, I think I'll go downtown for a bit. Nice having a day off. |
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| [17:13:41] | stuartm: | Seeker`: Setup > Video > Playback OSD > Enable Interactive TV |
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| [18:38:34] | skd5aner: | Guys, mythtv is basically unusable for me after the 0.26 upgrade... I've posted a ticket #11159 if anyone can help take a look, I still need to get some logs posted |
| [18:38:34] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11159 ** | |
| [18:39:05] | skd5aner: | basically, all HD-PVR recordings have severe issues with playback and are unwatchable 95% of the time |
| [18:40:06] | skd5aner: | in 0.25-fixes, they all worked fine 100% of the time |
| [18:40:40] | stuartm: | seems unlikely to be HD-PVR related given we've so many devs with that same hardware? |
| [18:40:58] | skd5aner: | I'm wondering, as jpabq pointed out in -users, if the last ffmpeg sync isn't as robust |
| [18:41:15] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I'm happy to provide whatever I can, but I'm telling you... my wife is about to kill me |
| [18:41:27] | wagnerrp: | too far in to roll back? |
| [18:41:36] | skd5aner: | and she's put up with... er, used, myth for over 8 years with me |
| [18:41:40] | stuartm: | why would content from an HD-PVR contain any sort of damage? It's not like a broadcast recording which can suffer from interference |
| [18:41:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: 3 days in |
| [18:42:06] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: hes saying its recordings that previously played fine on 0.25 |
| [18:42:14] | skd5aner: | stuartm: sometimes the STB doesn't stabilize after channel changes by the time the HD-PVR start recording |
| [18:42:14] | wagnerrp: | playback issue, not recording |
| [18:42:42] | skd5aner: | correct... existing recordings that played fine show the issue in 0.26 |
| [18:42:47] | skd5aner: | as well as new recordings |
| [18:43:33] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ok, but back to Q1, why is skd5aner seeing this when no HDPVR using devs did? |
| [18:43:40] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I could roll back, and I probably should... but I'd orphan a dozen or so recordings I suppose |
| [18:43:47] | wagnerrp: | cant answer that |
| [18:44:46] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, not sure :( |
| [18:45:13] | skd5aner: | any way I could try and truncate the first bit of a recording and send it your way and see if you can replicate it with my recording? |
| [18:46:11] | stuartm: | skd5aner: actually, I'm still not sure why the STB stablising would cause problems with the encoding, but maybe there's something I'm missing |
| [18:46:51] | skd5aner: | well, that's the reason why jpabq created the signal monitor for the HD-PVR |
| [18:46:59] | skd5aner: | to help compensate for those things |
| [18:47:12] | stuartm: | skd5aner: you can, although fixing that particular bug isn't really my area, it would be jpabq or the ones who did the resyncs, Beirdo or jya |
| [18:47:56] | skd5aner: | yea, would just love some comfirmation that my recording could trigger the symptoms elsewhere for replication / testing |
| [18:48:25] | stuartm: | skd5aner: my understanding was that the signal monitor was added because the HD-PVR wouldn't start delivering immediately, which would cause us to give up waiting before it was ready |
| [18:48:45] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [18:48:46] | stuartm: | that's the job the SM performs for all other sources |
| [18:48:55] | skd5aner: | ok, my mistake |
| [18:50:12] | skd5aner: | so, how can I create a short sample? |
| [18:50:24] | wagnerrp: | use 'dd' |
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| [18:51:09] | stuartm: | it's not quite the same thing as the HD-PVR delivering content containing lots of errors, if that's happening it sounds very much like a firmware bug, but as I said to begin with that just doesn't seem likely – seems more like a case of the decoder requiring greater resources or not handling a particular bitrate/keyframe interval/encoding profile well |
| [18:51:52] | stuartm: | if it were errors in the stream then those of us receiving H.264 OTA would be having a much worse time of it |
| [18:57:17] | stuartm: | skd5aner: can you include detail on which encoding options you are using in the ticket? |
| [18:57:26] | stuartm: | I've a feeling that might be relevant |
| [18:57:37] | skd5aner: | Yes, let me try and get all of this together |
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| [19:02:39] | skd5aner: | OK, I've got a 50MB sample... where can I send that? |
| [19:05:06] | stuartm: | your email is still skd5aner@gmail.com ? |
| [19:05:26] | skd5aner: | Yea, the one I use for the ML at least |
| [19:07:26] | stuartm: | ok, going to try something new, see if that box.com account Beirdo got us can be useful for this stuff |
| [19:08:18] | stuartm: | this may not work, I'm not sure what sort of restrictions they apply to this free account |
| [19:08:59] | stuartm: | you should receive an email inviting you to upload files to a folder belonging to my account ... |
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| [19:11:29] | skd5aner: | stuartm: thanks – uploading |
| [19:14:54] | skd5aner: | done |
| [19:18:23] | skd5aner: | stuartm, wagnerrp: also, uploaded log file of playback here -http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . 531.5058.log |
| [19:19:04] | stuartm: | skd5aner: oh neat, I wasn't actually expecting that to work :) |
| [19:19:18] | skd5aner: | heh, yea, was pretty straight forward :) |
| [19:19:42] | stuartm: | if any devs want a copy I can add them as a collaborator |
| [19:20:05] | skd5aner: | you want to add that detail to the ticket? |
| [19:20:21] | skd5aner: | (or I can if you think I should) |
| [19:23:11] | stuartm: | skd5aner: go for it, I'm busy with something else just now |
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| [19:38:40] | stuartm: | jpabq: that was quick |
| [19:41:21] | skd5aner: | ? |
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| [19:49:38] | skd5aner: | stuartm: updated the ticket – also included the recording profile settings as requested |
| [19:49:48] | stuartm: | skd5aner: thanks |
| [19:50:04] | skd5aner: | even though it's not your specific area of expertise, I appreciate your help :) |
| [19:50:39] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I'm pretty sure I need to rollback at this point until it's resolved, anything else I need to provide before I do that? |
| [19:51:16] | stuartm: | skd5aner: there's nothing I can think of, jpabq or Beirdo might have some thoughts on that |
| [19:51:49] | skd5aner: | jpabq, Beirdo, danielk22:^^^ let me know, I'd like to role back within the next hour or two before prime time |
| [19:51:56] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [19:54:51] | skd5aner: | bbl |
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| [20:26:23] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the sample doesn't play well here, the reported framerate seems odd – 70fps? |
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| [20:27:45] | stuartm: | hmm, that's what ffmpeg reports at least, mythtv reckons a more reasonable 50fps |
| [20:34:39] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I can't really tell if it's playing back badly here just because my GPU can't keep up with 50fps material (we don't get 720p here, just 1080i) |
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| [21:11:39] | MythBuild: | build #1 of master-debian-wheezy-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . bit/builds/1 |
| [21:11:51] | stuartm: | yay |
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| [21:24:44] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [21:25:20] | stuarta: | i've installed a few more dependencies that configure doesn't pick up, + the mythplugins deps |
| [21:26:39] | stuartm: | maybe we should make a list of the deps it's missing and fix that for 0.27 |
| [21:26:51] | ** stuarta has been making a list ** | |
| [21:27:06] | stuarta: | did it for the f17 build slave as well |
| [21:38:55] | stuarta: | right i'm knackered, time for bed. nn all |
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| [23:06:59] | MythBuild: | build #1 of 0.26-debian-wheezy-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26 . . . bit/builds/1 |
| [23:23:40] | monkeypet: | what QT version will 0.27 be with? Accessibility features are added with Qt 4.8. |
| [23:25:08] | stuartm: | 4.8 |
| [23:28:25] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, ESPN broadcasts in 720p here, so it should be ~30fps I would imagine |
| [23:49:18] | skd5aner: | stuartm: here's what MediaInfo outputs for the file's stats: http://pastebin.com/EYD7hmrC |
| [23:50:03] | wagnerrp: | i didn't hear that was decided... or was it more not opposed? |
| [23:54:38] | taylorr: | skd5aner: ESPN is 720p@60fps |
| [23:55:14] | skd5aner: | I thought 720p was always 30fps, no? |
| [23:55:22] | wagnerrp: | always 60fps |
| [23:55:28] | skd5aner: | and 1080i was 60 |
| [23:55:33] | wagnerrp: | always 30fps |
| [23:56:13] | wagnerrp: | 720p60 is 60 frames per second, 1080i30 is 60 fields per second |
| [23:56:33] | wagnerrp: | both 60, but different measurement |
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| [23:57:51] | skd5aner: | ah, ok... |
| [23:58:39] | skd5aner: | not sure how I had that all confused... haven't really thought about it in a long time |
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