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| [00:50:53] | superm1: | hmm what happened to my permissions to writing at mythtv/packaging at github? |
| [00:56:04] | superm1: | i think somehow my write access got revoked according to https://github.com/organizations/MythTV/teams/107649 |
| [00:57:46] | jya: | superm1: we use the code.mythtv.org one now |
| [00:57:51] | jya: | github is read only |
| [00:58:08] | superm1: | jya: oh, can i have write access to the code.mythtv.org one for the packaging then? |
| [00:58:23] | jya: | if you gave your rsa/dsa key to Beirdo yes |
| [00:59:05] | jya: | if you check the github page, you see that the devs are "pull only" too |
| [00:59:24] | superm1: | okay i see |
| [01:00:42] | superm1: | Beirdo: sent it to you in a pm |
| [01:00:53] | jya: | superm1: send your rsa public key to Beirdo |
| [01:02:09] | superm1: | jya: so after discussing with ameija, it seems it would be best to keep all packaging and packaging scripts in one place and making for a central location to go to for ubuntu/debian/autobuilds/whatever |
| [01:02:39] | superm1: | so as soon as i've got write access, i'm planning to retire the bzr branches for packaging and keep all the packaging directly in the packaging branch in git |
| [01:03:03] | jya: | if it's for mythtv, wouldn't it be better to have in in myth'packaging one ? that's where all the other distrib (and platforms: mac, windows) are |
| [01:03:11] | superm1: | yeah that's what i mean |
| [01:03:18] | superm1: | that's the one where it's going to go |
| [01:03:24] | jya: | ok |
| [01:03:51] | superm1: | https://github.com/superm1/packaging shows how it's going to be (after i did the bzr fast-export | git fast-import and merge dance) |
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| [13:39:43] | kenni: | Beirdo/wagnerrp: I don't know if you saw it earlier today, but commits on the packaging branch results in some unwanted behaviour in the Trac commit hook, like in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9667#comment:9 |
| [13:39:58] | kenni: | perhaps we should ignore the packaging branch in the hook? |
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| [14:57:34] | jasonbassett: | Greetinsg |
| [14:57:59] | jasonbassett: | Not sure who takes the lead with MacOS prebuild frontends |
| [14:58:50] | jasonbassett: | But just here to let you know that I once had it working on my own .23 installation but now on .25 it crashes immediately. |
| [14:59:03] | jasonbassett: | Love the web browser based streaming though! |
| [15:01:22] | jasonbassett: | Using MacOX 10.5.8 |
| [15:01:42] | jasonbassett: | Connecting to a remote Gentoo Linux backend |
| [15:01:58] | sphery: | jasonbassett: the prebuilt Mac OS X binary is not distributed by us--you'll want to contact the person who's building it and distributing it |
| [15:02:10] | jasonbassett: | o |
| [15:02:12] | jasonbassett: | ok |
| [15:02:36] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages has some info, including links that should get you name/contact info |
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| [15:06:02] | jasonbassett: | Righto thanks Sphery |
| [15:07:17] | jya: | wagnerrp: ping |
| [15:08:28] | jya: | jasonbassett: the new 0.25 build currently found on the net, are build for 10.6 and 10.7 only |
| [15:08:39] | jya: | if you want it to run on 10.5; you need to do the following: |
| [15:08:51] | jasonbassett: | im all ears |
| [15:09:22] | jya: | jasonbassett: in #mythtv-users |
| [15:10:18] | jya: | jasonbassett: ^^ join this channel |
| [15:10:48] | jasonbassett: | I have |
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| [16:10:40] | wagnerrp: | jya: ? |
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| [16:16:59] | jya: | Have a look at what I've done to ServerPool.. I added two methods.. tryBindingPort and tryListeningPort. http://pastebin.com/FyfN7756 . |
| [16:17:28] | jya: | they are static, and run on either QTcpServer or QUdpSocket |
| [16:17:52] | jya: | I've changed the call to listen or bind respectively to use those two methods in RAOP |
| [16:18:17] | jya: | I'm yet to find a case where iTunes or my iPhone can't find the RAOP server |
| [16:18:35] | jya: | so far with iTunes, I always had to override the Bonjour hostname for it to work |
| [16:18:37] | jya: | wagnerrp: ^^ |
| [16:19:14] | jya: | I've even tried on a Ubuntu VM running behind nat on my imac, and itunes found it |
| [16:19:17] | wagnerrp: | id still rather keep serverpool listening on individual addresses |
| [16:19:24] | wagnerrp: | hang on... let me fire off an email to the list |
| [16:19:59] | jya: | I only put those two methods in ServerPool for convenience as it's network related, and I think ServerPool make sense with what it does now |
| [16:20:15] | jya: | the advantage is with this method, using link-local address work |
| [16:21:19] | jya: | now we could extend those methods to bind/listen to a given address or set of address only |
| [16:21:50] | jya: | but if the aim is to listen to *all*, it's much better than looping though the list of all available interfaces, which may be available or not |
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| [16:32:38] | gigem: | sphery, stuartm: do you have any comments on the recording rule templates patch I sent you? |
| [16:33:30] | sphery: | gigem: I was traveling the last 2 weeks and just starting to get caught up. Planned to look at that patch in a day or 2? |
| [16:33:43] | sphery: | is that too late |
| [16:34:41] | stuartm: | gigem: crap, sorry, I missed that email somehow |
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| [16:35:06] | gigem: | sphery: the next day or two is okay. I'd like to get it commited before starting on the other schedule editor changes I have planned. |
| [16:35:09] | sphery: | FWIW, the idea sounded great |
| [16:35:41] | stuartm: | gigem: I'll take a look tonight |
| [16:35:50] | sphery: | I'm sure implementation is good, too, but I'll take a look soon |
| [16:35:57] | gigem: | thanks, guys. |
| [16:36:05] | sphery: | thank you for the work on it! |
| [16:37:40] | gigem: | yw. fwiw, I wasn't expecting to use templates myself, but after coding it and seeing how it turned out, I might just use it some! |
| [16:38:49] | sphery: | hehe, nice |
| [16:39:50] | sphery: | I generally have about 3 different "types" of recordings I do, so I don't need much--and even just the single set of defaults you mentioned would have been a huge step up from before. But with real templates, I can handle all 3 types very easily. |
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| [16:42:41] | gigem: | sphery: I liked your suggestion of being able to explicitly apply a template to rule. That's something I hadn't thought of and is what I'll likely use most. |
| [16:50:33] | sphery: | hehe, well I'm sure it was something that someone else suggested on the list many years ago when discussing the idea :), but in this case, I can't remember the attribution |
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| [16:59:13] | ** Captain_Murdoch will take part of the credit if a 'template' is just a special entry in the record table since that idea was on my TODO list 3 TODO lists ago. ** | |
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| [17:02:14] | gigem: | Does that mean you'll now implement something from my TODO list? :) |
| [17:04:43] | danielk22: | jya: I don't know if your dealing with multicast at all in RAOP. But AFAIK for multicast you need to listen on all interfaces to see all the data. |
| [17:05:01] | jya: | danielk22: not using multicast at all. |
| [17:05:06] | danielk22: | k |
| [17:05:08] | sphery: | gigem: hehe, wagnerrp and Beirdo are still wondering when I'll implement something from their TODOs since they did a few of mine, so I hope Captain_Murdoch gets to it faster than I do |
| [17:05:44] | jya: | the core issue is that we use Bonjour to advertise a service. What hostname Bonjour will use is determined by Bonjour. You don't really know what it's going to be. And if IPv6 is available, it will use IPv6 |
| [17:06:47] | jya: | the way serverpool is done, it loops through the list of interfaces and listen/bind on all interfaces found. As it fails for link-local and others, that make a discrepency between what Bonjour say the client should use, and what port/address are actually usable |
| [17:07:28] | danielk22: | Is bonjour something that lives on top of zeroconf, or is it like Firewire vs IEEE 1394 ? |
| [17:07:52] | jya: | danielk22: ServerPool make sense for the backend and the IP address configured for the backend to listen on… But to use as-is for services running on the frontend, it makes no sense |
| [17:08:30] | jya: | it's pretty hard for a user to understand that for mythfrontend to listen on local interfces, he needs to start mythbackend and make the backend listen on other addresses |
| [17:08:44] | danielk22: | jya: That's the impression I get as well, but I'm not that familiar with ServerPool so I can't state it definitively. |
| [17:09:05] | jya: | danielk22: Bonjour is the apple implementation of zeroconf |
| [17:09:29] | jya: | used to be called RendezVous I think before |
| [17:09:31] | danielk22: | jya: Right. The frontend taking it's cue from the backend config is confusing to me as well. |
| [17:10:26] | danielk22: | It's basically requiring everyone to run a public mythbackend even if they only have one backend. |
| [17:10:55] | danielk22: | When that isn't the default it's doubly problematic. |
| [17:12:49] | wagnerrp: | which raises the question of why have that be the default? |
| [17:13:13] | wagnerrp: | considering the whole purpose of the web setup was to get initial setup off that machine and to a desktop/laptop where it is more convenient |
| [17:13:23] | jya: | I've discussed this issue with wagnerrp , the whole issue seems to have started with how some linux distrib have configured their kernel. E.g. you can't listen to all at once (ipv6 & ipv4), not sure I got all the details… |
| [17:13:24] | wagnerrp: | the default should be listening everywhere |
| [17:13:45] | ** wagnerrp is writing all this up in an email to the -list ** | |
| [17:14:11] | jya: | what I found was that calling listen or bind with AnyIPv6 works fine on all my system, and if Qt was compiled without ipv6 , then it default back to ipv4 |
| [17:39:40] | danielk22: | Beirdo: For #10662, wouldn't the simplest workaround for the user be to just use a user name rather than an e-mail for their SD login? Compiling a new Qt and using that instead of the distro one is not for the faint of heart.. |
| [17:39:40] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10662 ** | |
| [17:40:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's the other way :) |
| [17:40:29] | Beirdo: | just get a non-email username. Otherwise, ya gotta mess with Qt versions |
| [17:40:47] | Beirdo: | and the asshats put the actual data items in a private: section |
| [17:41:07] | Beirdo: | so I can't do the workaround I wanted (subclass QAuthenticator and override setUser()) |
| [17:41:21] | Beirdo: | thanks, dudes. |
| [17:41:21] | ** jya hopes never have to compile Qt again, did it over 100 times in the past few months ** | |
| [17:41:58] | sphery: | danielk22: does Schedules Direct provide a means to allow a paid user to change a username? |
| [17:42:02] | danielk22: | So we'd need to copy a number of classes into the source to work around? |
| [17:42:29] | Beirdo: | we'd have to rewrite QAuthenticator as a start |
| [17:42:48] | danielk22: | Beirdo: the code is LGPL.. can't we just copy it? |
| [17:42:49] | sphery: | ah, yeah, they do, on the account edit page... https://www.schedulesdirect.org/account/edit |
| [17:42:54] | Beirdo: | and likely QNetworkReply |
| [17:43:03] | Beirdo: | we *can*, but that's lame |
| [17:43:10] | Beirdo: | just don't use 4.7.1 |
| [17:43:33] | Beirdo: | that's a very complex workaround for a single version of buggy code |
| [17:43:53] | danielk22: | Beirdo: yeah, we've done that in the past, but as long as schedules direct allows the user to change their account name I think that is fine as an official work around.. |
| [17:43:55] | sphery: | yeah, I'd say since they can change login name and can just upgrade/downgrade the Qt package, it's not worth the workaround |
| [17:44:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, agreed |
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| [17:44:41] | sphery: | (meaning they have 2 options for working around the broken upstream code) |
| [17:44:59] | Beirdo: | if I COULD just subclass and override, that would be great, but the username/passwd is stored in a private data area, so that just won't work :( |
| [17:45:02] | danielk22: | sphery: I may not recall correctly, but I think this type of bug in some other program was the reason for the separate login name vs. e-mail address. |
| [17:45:11] | jya: | what just happened with SD? why is it that it suddenly fails for so many people ? |
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| [17:45:21] | Beirdo: | jya: Qt bug in 4.7.1 |
| [17:45:46] | danielk22: | jya: That's what we were just discussing... and we now have a workaround that doesn't involve recompiling Qt :) |
| [17:45:51] | Beirdo: | https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-15070 |
| [17:46:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's easy to change your userid, so that works as a workaround. That or an upgrade/downgrade of Qt :) |
| [17:46:41] | Beirdo: | so for people going to 12.04LTS, they likely won't see this at all |
| [17:46:46] | danielk22: | Beirdo: You want me to put that in the ticket and close as an upstream bug, or do you want to do it? |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | go for it. :) |
| [17:47:04] | danielk22: | k |
| [17:47:19] | jya: | 4.7.1 is pretty old.. i think 4.7.4 is the last one of that branch |
| [17:47:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, 12.04 has 4.8.1 |
| [17:48:00] | jya: | Trying to imagine how messy it would become if we started to ship our own copy of Qt |
| [17:48:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, GAH, no thanks |
| [17:48:42] | Beirdo: | if we were to ask them to recompile, I'd suggest they recompile the latest in the 4.7 chain |
| [17:48:48] | Beirdo: | but recompiling Qt is not good |
| [17:49:23] | jya: | Beirdo: on my i7–2600, I think it takes about 4 hours |
| [17:49:34] | superm1: | how about asking the most common distros with the bugged QT to fix it in their distros? |
| [17:49:44] | Beirdo: | so, ubuntu-wise... maverick had 4.7.0, natty had 4.7.2 |
| [17:49:44] | superm1: | with a backported patch |
| [17:49:58] | Beirdo: | so we should be just fine on the Ubuntu front |
| [17:50:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, we could try that. :) Dunno how well it would work |
| [17:50:50] | Beirdo: | I think the reporting user was using FC14, and I'd imagine that RedHat's response would be to upgrade |
| [17:51:15] | jya: | righto… with all this… good night… for what's left of it |
| [17:53:02] | superm1: | it does sound like they would take important bug fixes in their stable release (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy) |
| [18:00:17] | jams: | Based off our sample size of 1500 hosts, of which only 8 are using QT 4.7.1 it's probably not a very widespread problem. |
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| [18:17:01] | stuartm: | some packagers get pissy just for shipping our own copies of minor libs such as libmpeg2 or libdvdnav, I can't imagine how much grief we'd get for including our own copy of qt |
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| [18:33:06] | stuartm: | Beirdo: seems the new trac hook is closing tickets with 'fixed' instead of 'Fixed' – trac sees those as two different resolutions |
| [18:34:16] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [18:34:27] | Beirdo: | we should fix that :) |
| [18:34:41] | wagnerrp: | danielk22, jya: sent |
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| [19:05:13] | solars: | hey, I've setup my cine ct v6 but now in mythtv have 2 picture above each other – does anyone know which settings influence this? |
| [19:05:31] | solars: | the computer is connected to a tv screen |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | sounds like an AMD graphics driver problem, as well as a problem for #mythtv-users |
| [19:05:49] | wagnerrp: | this is the development channel |
| [19:05:56] | solars: | ah, sorry |
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| [20:36:20] | earthw0rm: | Evening |
| [20:37:08] | earthw0rm: | If I want to add a new HD at a later date, what's the best way to deal with partitioning? What does MythTV do with the different drives available to it? |
| [20:37:58] | wagnerrp: | see topic, you want #mythtv-users |
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| [20:51:05] | stuartm: | earthw0rm: #mythtv-users |
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| [20:53:54] | earthw0rm: | Oops |
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| [21:19:13] | gigem: | kormoc: Can you take a look at #10650? The proposed patch looks reasonable, except I think it should also check for rectype_override in addition to rectype_dontrec. |
| [21:21:35] | kormoc: | gigem, yes, that's correct. We need to check rectype_dontrec as well |
| [21:22:41] | gigem: | kormoc or xris: also what is the reasoning for the odd indentation for the // comments in mythweb? to me and my possibly untrained eyes, it makes the code unreadable. |
| [21:23:41] | gigem: | kormoc: okay, can you commit it? the problem keeps coming up, se we need to get it fixed. if you can't, I can do it for you. |
| [21:24:06] | xris: | gigem: comment-centric coding. http://forevermore.net/articles/indenting-brackets-and-comments/ |
| [21:24:08] | kormoc: | gigem, yeah, I don't have anything setup to commit nor access to |
| [21:24:42] | xris: | though I've stopped using it for a lot of stuff lately because of not being in charge of a team, or using a langauge like python that just doesn't allow it. |
| [21:30:38] | gigem: | xris: to each his own, but I'm glad you're not my team leader! :) |
| [21:31:09] | xris: | gigem: it makes a lot of sense in context, once you're used to it. |
| [21:31:47] | kormoc: | gigem, it's easy to change the color of the comments to make it easier to 'ignore' |
| [21:32:03] | xris: | better than using whitespace and no comments to separate chunks of code. but it *does* need an editor that colorizes things so they don't glare at you |
| [21:32:47] | xris: | but the point *is* that you see the comments first. it's easier to read comments to know what the code does, vs trying to decipher the code. |
| [21:39:41] | stuartm: | fwiw it hurts my eyes, having the comments out of line with the code they document means my eyes don't know where to look, it's much harder to see the scope of the code |
| [21:42:01] | stuartm: | maybe it's just because I'm not used to it |
| [21:42:04] | xris: | yeah, it's hard for a lot of people not used to it. one of several reasons why I haven't pushed it much lately. |
| [21:42:28] | xris: | it also only works if you comment EVERYTHING. so the comment block only ever pertains to a few lines of code. |
| [21:42:48] | xris: | but it definitely doesn't work if you don't have good syntax highlighting |
| [21:43:21] | xris: | it really does need the comments set to a visible-but-unobtrusive color |
| [21:44:06] | xris: | all of that code needs to be replaced, though. :) most of it hasn't been touched in 2+ years |
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| [21:45:40] | danielk22: | It hurts my eyes too, but the little code I've written in PHP hurt my own eyes too :) It's impossible to format like you would in C in many cases when writing in PHP. I can see why a different commenting theory might make sense in PHP. |
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| [21:47:25] | danielk22: | Think of code interspersed with HTML... while most PHP wouldn't be in HTML some of it must be or you might as well write it in another language. |
| [21:48:18] | danielk22: | PHP is also denser than most C/C++ code. lot more going on per line and more of a need to comment. |
| [21:48:30] | xris: | yeah |
| [21:49:06] | xris: | it's one thing I'm learning to seriously dislike about java. :) I have to write so much code to do something that perl would let me do in one line. :) |
| [21:51:32] | gigem: | kormoc, xris: does http://pastebin.com/i62VvW7g look okay to you? |
| [21:52:27] | danielk22: | xris: yeah, but with perl you might end up with an O(n^2) algorithm calling an O(n log n) algorithm per line ending up with O (n^3 log n) when in Java you end up with an O(n log n) algorithm because you cringe when you think of the perl equivalent :) |
| [21:52:49] | gigem: | xris: I guess the counter argument is that you can also use syntax to highlight the comments without obscuring the flow of control. |
| [21:55:40] | xris: | gigem: personally I'd put the && at the start of the line rather than the end (so you know immediately from a glance that the line is a continuation). and with a two-line conditional like that, I'd probably be explicit about { } too |
| [21:55:41] | danielk22: | xris: but you just gotta pick the right language for the job, programmer time is expensive. |
| [21:56:19] | xris: | danielk22: yup. programmer time is expensive, and with most computer tasks, cpu time is cheap |
| [21:58:05] | xris: | gigem: but honestly it doesn't matter. some languages require you put the "continuation" at the end of the line (one of the biggest things that bugs me about ruby/python) so people expect it to be there. in those cases, I tend to double-indent the second line of the conditional. |
| [21:58:49] | xris: | but this is all just theoretical conversation. your patch looks fine (though I can't speak to the specifics of the code — I'm WAY out of date on knowing what does/doesn't work for mythweb) |
| [21:59:01] | gigem: | xris: I already changed it. :) It doesn't matter to me. I just want to get the bug fixed. Does mythweb not have a fixes/0.25 branch yet? |
| [21:59:10] | xris: | I haven't touched any serious php code in almost 2 years. |
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| [22:01:20] | gigem: | git commit -a |
| [22:01:39] | gigem: | OOps, definitely the wrong window for that! :) |
| [22:02:16] | sphery: | gigem: is that one related to #10580 , too? |
| [22:02:16] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10580 ** | |
| [22:02:51] | sphery: | where 10580 came out of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/512831#512831 thread |
| [22:03:12] | gigem: | sphery: Yeah, I knew I'd seen it come up a few times. |
| [22:03:13] | stuartm: | xris: most of the time where a condition is split over more than one line I'd tend to use angle brackets even for one-line statements, that way you get around the confusion you describe |
| [22:03:54] | xris: | angle brackets? |
| [22:04:04] | xris: | or braces? |
| [22:04:52] | stuartm: | heh, sorry, braces – brain fart |
| [22:04:54] | xris: | yeah, that works if you're crazy and put braces on their own line. :) I still follow K&R for my brace usage. |
| [22:05:23] | stuartm: | well of course you put braces on their own line, anything else would just be silly ;) |
| [22:05:30] | xris: | except on this project for work. my team lead likes "each on its own line" for everything. but eclipse handles that for me. |
| [22:06:21] | stuartm: | again, I really like the readability of having braces on their own line, it wasn't always the case but now I wouldn't dream of doing it any other way |
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| [22:07:17] | kormoc: | gigem, looks great to me |
| [22:09:13] | gigem: | kormoc: thanks. just pushed. along with the new fixes/0.25 branch. |
| [22:09:25] | sphery: | I heard K&R "end of line" braces came from the publisher of "The C Programming Lanugage" moving them from beginning of line braces (that K&R actually used) to save paper since the book was obviously going to be a niche book that would barely recoup printing costs. |
| [22:10:44] | stuartm: | sphery: that may or may not be an urban legend, but I can actually believe it to be true |
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| [22:11:26] | sphery: | yeah, I haven't found definitive sources citing proof, but it definitely sounds like the only reasonable way for them to end up at end of line, rather than vertically aligned :) |
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