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| [04:27:41] | kenni: | stichnot: I left live tv running overnight for 9 hours on a news channel and it's still running happily :) Not a single dropout in 54 program transitions...so #10490 seems to be fixed for me. Thanks a lot for taking care of it :) |
| [04:27:41] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10490 ** | |
| [04:27:58] | kenni: | jya, FYI ^ |
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| [04:51:47] | Beirdo: | I want to slap qmake with a rather large fish-like object |
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| [05:01:38] | stichnot: | kenni: that's great, thanks for checking. I'll wait a couple more days and close the ticket. |
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| [05:18:12] | Beirdo: | hahah, parallel make makes for interesting dependency wars |
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| [05:42:51] | dekarl: | superm1, tgm4883: hmm, how about setting MYTHCONFDIR=/home/mythtv/.mythtv so mythfronend/mythsetup/manual mythfilldatabase all run with the same configuration directory. The wrapper scripts check mythtv group membership already so the access right can be dealt with with some chmod g+w(x) etc. |
| [05:42:52] | dekarl: | That would break the old icons/xmltv configuration, as would doing nothing (for the icons at least) but going forward the "how to setup xmltv" guide would be shorter :) |
| [05:43:22] | superm1: | dekarl: just exporting that variable at the start of mythtv-setup wrapper? |
| [05:43:28] | superm1: | that sounds like a pretty easy solution |
| [05:43:42] | dekarl: | yes |
| [05:44:03] | superm1: | unfortunately /home/mythtv doesn't have write access to the group mythtv |
| [05:44:06] | superm1: | only the user mythtv |
| [05:44:12] | dekarl: | indeed |
| [05:44:56] | superm1: | more and more it feels like the mythtv daemon user shouldn't have a home directory in /home at all |
| [05:45:24] | superm1: | it should probably be in /var/lib/mythtv |
| [05:45:47] | superm1: | and it's login shell should be /bin/false (similar to the like of daemons like lightdm) |
| [05:45:56] | dekarl: | But that would not change anything with the multiple users writing to the same directory issue |
| [05:46:09] | superm1: | well it would make more sense to have it mythtv:mythtv permissions then |
| [05:46:11] | Beirdo: | why shouldn't /home/mythtv be the homedir of they mythtv user, and why should it not be a normal user and allow group write? |
| [05:46:25] | Beirdo: | its login shell should definitely NOT be /bin/false |
| [05:46:31] | Beirdo: | ever |
| [05:46:47] | Beirdo: | you will break so many things if you try that |
| [05:46:56] | superm1: | well at least on ubuntu we don't have a scenario that allows for the user to log in as that user |
| [05:46:59] | Beirdo: | we rely very heavily on using a shell |
| [05:47:17] | superm1: | but i seem to recall that yeah there was stuff that broke with shell set as /bin/false when things were first getting setup indeed |
| [05:47:30] | Beirdo: | like... if you use cron jobs... or if you shell out to a program from within myth (which we do) |
| [05:47:36] | superm1: | right |
| [05:47:44] | superm1: | so that probably won't be able to change anytime soon then |
| [05:47:47] | Beirdo: | /bin/false as a shell is super evil :) Secure as hell, but evil ;) |
| [05:47:53] | superm1: | haha yup |
| [05:48:20] | dekarl: | hmm, mythfilldatabase might need such a wrapper to, as users tend to run it manually for various reasons |
| [05:48:23] | Beirdo: | as to where you want your user's homedir.. whatever ya want :) |
| [05:48:42] | Beirdo: | but it is a user, not a system account |
| [05:48:56] | superm1: | well it's treated more like a system account with our setup though |
| [05:49:22] | superm1: | got a low system like uid/gid and all too |
| [05:49:33] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [05:49:54] | Beirdo: | ooh, House. |
| [05:50:06] | dekarl: | I found "its denied from login and only used for services / with sudo" a better point the then "low id" :) |
| [05:50:11] | Beirdo: | way to go, QJson wonks |
| [05:50:27] | superm1: | well those just happen to come with the low id :) |
| [05:51:21] | Beirdo: | I think you are just complicating things for yourself, but whatever works, I guess |
| [05:51:38] | Beirdo: | I'm not one to talk about complex myth configs |
| [05:51:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:51:47] | superm1: | haha |
| [05:52:04] | superm1: | well i mean we get stuck with problems like this consequently with MYTHCONFDIR and such |
| [05:52:16] | superm1: | but at least that sort of thing should go away when mythtv-setup goes away |
| [05:52:22] | dekarl: | hehe, I just took it over here for ideas wrt MYTHCONFDIR point to the same location for multiple users (whatever users that would be) |
| [05:52:38] | dekarl: | superm1: only of mythfilldatabase goes away, too :) |
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| [05:52:56] | Beirdo: | what is it used for in filldatabase? |
| [05:53:38] | Beirdo: | I don't recall |
| [05:54:35] | Beirdo: | oh ffs. |
| [05:55:00] | Beirdo: | QJson has C++ style includes... but they don't install them |
| [05:55:09] | Beirdo: | I install them, and I see why. |
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| [05:55:23] | Beirdo: | #include "../../src/parser.h" |
| [05:55:43] | Beirdo: | so... I have to recreate them?! |
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| [06:14:22] | dekarl: | Beirdo: storing of channel icons |
| [06:14:35] | dekarl: | and reading of the xmltv configuration |
| [06:15:59] | Beirdo: | ah yes, xmltv :) I keep forgetting about that |
| [06:16:07] | Beirdo: | heh, sorry |
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| [06:17:48] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [06:18:00] | Beirdo: | it compileth |
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| [06:18:31] | Beirdo: | an evening of idiocy with qmake and Makefiles to force it to build the way I wanted |
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| [06:34:40] | jya: | kenni stichnot : I only upgraded my main frontend yesterday. Haven't had the chance to try the new fixes/0.25 yet… But will know tonight for sure |
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| [06:39:47] | Beirdo: | OK, gonna finish this show then go to bed. I wanna test the NOFILE thing again but I'm a bit tired |
| [06:40:46] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I guess I should check the time display in a live recording sometime too, as I believe that's what might be affected if I remember what danielk said correctl |
| [06:40:49] | Beirdo: | y |
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| [14:12:09] | danielk22: | stuartm: does the pause take 10 seconds with the patch or only without it? |
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| [14:16:55] | danielk22: | stuartm: If so this could have been made worse by whatever is making us read closer to the end of the file than we used to. Which was also causing livetv woes. |
| [14:18:38] | danielk22: | stuartm: I couldn't find any direct cause for that. Possibly LiveTV is just starting up a little bit quicker (due to better drivers, improvements in out video output, whatever) and this removed a bit of buffering which was helping us down the line. |
| [14:30:12] | stuartm: | danielk22: 10 seconds with the patch, I didn't note the timing before applying it, only that there was a delay of several seconds |
| [14:30:41] | stuartm: | danielk22: I can make a sample available if that would help |
| [14:34:13] | danielk22: | stuartm: It would, but I have a lot on my plate right now so I don't want to raise any false hopes. |
| [14:36:21] | stuartm: | no real hopes to dash here, I never record radio and so it's down at the bottom of my list of priorities, this recording came about because the radio drama had the same name as a tv series I'd been recording |
| [14:43:04] | stuartm: | heh, I can't reproduce with a cutdown sample |
| [14:44:07] | danielk22: | stuartm: Can you reproduce with the full sample even? My assumption was that it was a live tv phenomena. |
| [14:44:42] | danielk22: | The plan would be to feed the sample to the recorder "in real time" to reproduce. |
| [14:45:16] | stuartm: | danielk22: I can reproduce with the full thing, but if I cut it down ... I wonder if the seektable has anything to do with it |
| [14:45:53] | stuartm: | aside from the file size the only difference between the full sample and the cut down one is the lack of a seektable for the latter |
| [14:46:34] | danielk22: | blow away the seektable for the full sample.. :) If that works then it has something to do with the seektable loading. |
| [14:47:05] | danielk22: | The seektable loading was moved to the UI thread in the 0.23->0.24 timeframe. (MythUI port of OSD). |
| [14:47:09] | stuartm: | yup, it's the seektable, not our ability to play the thing |
| [14:48:16] | danielk22: | ok, in that case I do plan to fix the seektable loading in UI thread issue. It's also the cause of pauses in video watching, especially at program transitions in LiveTV. |
| [14:48:18] | stuartm: | ok, I can do some digging in that case |
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| [16:33:33] | danielk22: | jya: wagnerrp: any chance a recent commit broke UPnP autodetection of backends? AFAIK the backend is no longer listening for discovery messages. |
| [16:37:24] | wagnerrp: | none of my changes touched the upnp stuff |
| [16:37:46] | wagnerrp: | unless the backend web server is failing to listen and aborting, in which case the UPNP stuff would never get started |
| [16:38:54] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: the upnp hasn't been changed, looks like something else is stealing incoming the udp. |
| [16:39:42] | danielk22: | But I haven't bisected. All I know is it worked a couple weeks ago and not now. |
| [16:40:37] | Beirdo: | I think I know what's happening for the datadirect fun |
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| [16:41:19] | Beirdo: | I think that we are getting a delay in the middle of the transfer, and we cancel the transfer |
| [16:41:41] | Beirdo: | it'a set to cancel if there's no progress update for 10s |
| [16:42:09] | Beirdo: | and datadirect pulls do sit for a bit while it's calculating |
| [16:42:16] | danielk22: | Beirdo: wouldn't that get logged? |
| [16:42:28] | Beirdo: | no, there's no log message at the abort |
| [16:42:47] | Beirdo: | what does get logged is that the transfer is cancelled by abort() or stop() |
| [16:43:07] | Beirdo: | "Error 5 : Operation cancelled" |
| [16:43:34] | Beirdo: | but I strongly suspect this is the issue at hand |
| [16:43:58] | Beirdo: | I can see that delaying longer than 10s while it accumulates data, and we chop it off at the knees |
| [16:44:40] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna make a patch... change it to 60s and log when we abort |
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| [16:53:44] | Beirdo: | There. attached on #10662 |
| [16:53:44] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10662 ** | |
| [16:55:17] | Beirdo: | from the user's log: |
| [16:55:18] | Beirdo: | 2012-04–24 13:34:26.042585 D [30422/30428] DownloadManager mythdownloadmanager.cpp:687 (downloadQNetworkRequest) – Checking cache for http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService |
| [16:55:22] | Beirdo: | 2012-04–24 13:34:36.060810 E [30422/30422] CoreContext datadirect.cpp:1185 (GrabData) – DataDirect: Failed to get data: Download error |
| [16:55:37] | Beirdo: | check the time difference there |
| [16:56:18] | Beirdo: | 10s. Yeah, I think this is the issue. a 60s timeout should fix it for the moment, but it definitely needs more than 10s |
| [16:59:10] | Beirdo: | and now time to head to work |
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| [18:47:46] | Beirdo: | ARM7 compile??! |
| [18:47:56] | Beirdo: | ummm, good luck |
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| [19:13:05] | danielk22: | Beirdo: CP mythffmpeg |
| [19:13:05] | danielk22: | cp: cannot create regular file `mythffmpeg': Permission denied |
| [19:13:05] | danielk22: | <-- I get this on "make install" whenever I forget to run ./configure with --disable-ffmpeg --disable-ffplay ... Did anyone ever look into that? |
| [19:27:40] | Beirdo: | I think your build dir has issues with perms |
| [19:27:57] | Beirdo: | you sure you didn't sudo make at some point and have some stuff owned by root? |
| [19:28:39] | Beirdo: | check in the external/FFmpeg dir (I think) which is what seems to be complaining |
| [19:29:24] | Beirdo: | I'd bet you have a root.root (or somethign like that) on mythffmpeg in that dir that doesn't match the rest |
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| [19:30:01] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [19:30:04] | Beirdo: | timeout? |
| [19:32:42] | Beirdo: | danielk221: did you get my response, or did it disappear on you? :) |
| [19:34:08] | danielk221: | Beirdo: I'm about to disappear again ubuntu 12.04 isn't quite ready.. but the problem isn't bad permissions it's that root is trying to write to a directory not owned by root. (on a NFS filesystem where root doesn't have god like powers over other user's files.) |
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| [19:44:46] | Beirdo: | ooooh, it's an NFS perns |
| [19:45:05] | Beirdo: | that's not a mythtv issue then :) |
| [19:45:17] | clever: | danielk22: no_root_squash! |
| [19:45:32] | Beirdo: | you can always use no_root_squash if you trust your root user |
| [19:46:01] | clever: | but your also trusting nobody to steal your clients ip while its offline |
| [19:46:16] | danielk22: | Beirdo: it's bad form for make install to modify the source code directory. It leads to files in the source code directory with root ownership. |
| [19:47:01] | clever: | yeah, i do agree with that part being a potential problem |
| [19:47:14] | Beirdo: | danielk22: hmmm, well, I can see what can be done, but it doesn't write as root on my setup even with sudo make install |
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| [19:47:44] | Beirdo: | I'll take a look though. Makefile wrangling can be fun :) |
| [19:52:59] | Beirdo: | jeez, nice server |
| [19:53:21] | Beirdo: | someone buggered /etc/fstab, and the line they messed up... mounts / |
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| [20:08:57] | dekarl: | Beirdo, does that ring a bell (output from mythcommflag) http://paste.ubuntu.com/950714/ its master as of 2/3 days ago ran against a plain recording with --chanid and --starttime |
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| [20:18:40] | Beirdo: | not off-hand |
| [20:18:53] | Beirdo: | the decoding error at the end is at EOF |
| [20:19:32] | Beirdo: | the PESPacket part... don't recall ever seeing that before, this is only on one particular file, or always? |
| [20:20:09] | danielk22: | I like the launchpad "This bug affects me" voting.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/836250 There still seem to be too many me toos, but I image it cuts down on them somewhat. |
| [20:20:32] | Beirdo: | danielk22: yeah, it has its uses :) |
| [20:22:52] | dekarl: | Beirdo: that is always and in all programs with my patches and logging turned up (PESPacket <-> PSIPTable split stuff) |
| [20:23:25] | dekarl: | looks like fixing on corner uncovered issues in another corner |
| [20:23:51] | Beirdo: | heh, that's usually the way it happens |
| [20:24:01] | Beirdo: | so what actually seems to be the issue? |
| [20:26:05] | dekarl: | the aborting was there for months, its just now that I started to look into it to get a BT but its cleanly exiting :( |
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| [20:48:32] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: does your sleep timer stuff trigger any kind of event? |
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| [20:49:04] | danielk22: | Beirdo: maybe it's already fixed upstream? I didn't check if the ffmpeg merge branch still had this problem. |
| [20:52:07] | Beirdo: | well, that was a customization on our part, I think, but I'll look it over tonight |
| [20:52:30] | Beirdo: | just rescued a work server from dbus/hald hell. |
| [20:52:47] | Beirdo: | between the two: 13.3G resident + 8G swap |
| [20:52:52] | Beirdo: | on a 16G machine |
| [20:52:55] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: no, that suggestion was made but too late in the 0.25 cycle to add one |
| [20:53:30] | wagnerrp: | ok, just wondering if there were any internal mechanism that would make this unnecessary... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Sleep_timer |
| [20:53:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, an external timer for dedicated frontends that would not be otherwise shut down using the backend's shutdown mechanism |
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| [21:06:54] | stuartm: | not yet, not exactly for that described purpose – the backend can issue a command to shut down frontends iirc when it shuts down, but that's not really the complete scenario described there |
| [21:07:20] | stuartm: | I'll add a system event that people can use to call a shutdown script |
| [21:08:16] | stuartm: | thinking about it, that's probably the same thing we should do for backend shutdown, i.e. have all externally triggered events use the system event mechanism rather than a 'shutdown command' setting |
| [21:12:36] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: no, because if a backend is shut down, it must be done in a special manner that the master backend knows will allow it to be restarted on demand |
| [21:13:26] | stuartm: | ? |
| [21:25:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, the slave just runs a command, it doesn't do anything special. the master does set a special status for the slave to mark the fact that it can be awakened. the issue with that specific event would be status checking. currently the 'go to sleep' command can return an error to the MBE. system events are one-way, there is no result returned. |
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| [22:15:26] | Beirdo: | let the assassination of mythwelcome and mythshutdown commence. |
| [22:39:40] | Seeker`: | assassination? |
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| [23:05:41] | Beirdo: | yeah... the functionality can be done otherwise :) |
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| [23:40:03] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: jya: I don't think there was any UPnP breakage. I think it was just ubuntu 12.4 networking bug 836250. |
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