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Tuesday, March 13th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:56:11] xris: wagnerrp: finally got around to checking tmdb.py behavior. seems it's leaving underscores in when checking. not sure if it should do that, or if myth should be stripping them out before passing them to tmdb
[00:59:07] xris: looks like tmdb.py hasn't been touched in ages, so must be related to something else.
[01:01:36] xris: wagnerrp: maybe related to a2e27ed0b1151b2efa42? I don't know enough about how that code is organized
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[01:08:04] xris: ok, it's definitely because I moved the files without removing the db record. there's some sort of different behavior with a newly-imported file vs a moved file.
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[01:17:16] wagnerrp: xris: no, the code in a2e27... is only used when using the python bindings
[01:17:22] wagnerrp: mythtv has its own internal support for that behavior
[01:17:43] wagnerrp: when you rename a file, mythtv matches the old hash with the new filename
[01:17:48] wagnerrp: and retains all your existing metadata
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[01:17:58] wagnerrp: including the title and subtitle it parsed out from the original filename
[01:18:16] wagnerrp: you have to sell it to reset the metadata for that entry to parse new initial data from the new filename
[01:18:30] xris: odd
[01:18:34] wagnerrp: or if youve got a group of files, move them elsewhere, scan, move them back in, and scan again
[01:18:54] wagnerrp: its specifically so that if you do reorganize your files, you dont lose all your metadata
[01:19:04] xris: IIRC I just moved files from one directory to another. rescanned to pick up the changes.
[01:19:10] xris: cover art and such never came back
[01:19:33] xris: inetref was set to zero
[01:19:46] wagnerrp: is it possible you have file browse mode enabled?
[01:19:51] xris: definitely
[01:19:58] xris: that's the only usable format for me
[01:19:59] wagnerrp: through the 'm' menu
[01:20:03] wagnerrp: why is that?
[01:20:28] wagnerrp: the only use for file browse mode at the moment is for removable media
[01:20:34] wagnerrp: such as videos stored on a removable flash drive
[01:20:39] xris: then maybe not.
[01:20:43] wagnerrp: or something else that would be transient
[01:21:01] xris: checking
[01:21:22] wagnerrp: and then the only advantage there is you dont have to rescan manually, it is done for you every time you enter mythvideo
[01:21:30] wagnerrp: the side effect being it is completely detached from the database
[01:21:39] xris: nope, guess it's gallery view
[01:21:58] wagnerrp: file browse mode is independent of the four different views
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[01:24:24] xris: ok, no clue what happened before. stuff seems to work fine now
[01:25:14] xris: maybe I just caught things in a weird state and things have since gone back to normal
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[01:36:36] sphery: xris: you should make sure in each of the 3 views (Gallery, Browse, List), MENU shows "Enable file browse mode" (meaning it's currently disabled). I'm guessing you want to see directory/hierarchical display, in which case--in all 3 views--you also want to ensure MENU shows "Enable flat view" (meaning flat view is disabled--so it shows you hierarchy)
[01:37:13] sphery: these menu entries/the wording is something that stuartm may be changing to be a bit easier for users to understand
[01:37:29] xris: sphery: yeah. figured that out.
[01:37:44] xris: now I'm more curious how these files didn't get their meta data ported over
[01:38:20] sphery: hehe, for that, you were in better hands with wagnerrp, so I'll back out of this conversation that I just interrupted, now
[01:38:22] xris: but it all seems to be working now so I can't complain. better to focus on getting rid of massive stomach ache I've had all day
[01:38:38] xris: I'll just have to bug him if/when it happens again
[01:38:46] sphery: ah, yeah, that sounds more important... good luck--and I hope you feel better soon
[01:39:08] xris: 17 hours of sleep last night and this afternoon.  :)
[01:41:31] wagnerrp: assuming the files are still the same exact files, i cant explain why that might have happened
[01:41:48] wagnerrp: on the other hand, a bit of corruption in the first or last 64KB could cause the hash to change
[01:42:00] wagnerrp: so the file was "lost" on the rescan, and a new file added
[01:42:06] wagnerrp: frontend logs would indicate such
[01:44:56] xris: yeah. but on rescan, they imported just fine, auto-detected with tmdb, etc.
[01:45:08] xris: no clue how they'd have gotten into myth with underscores in the title
[01:50:20] xris: ok, things compile again. and start.. --logpath  :P
[02:00:11] Beirdo: heh
[02:04:08] Beirdo: your --logpath is incorrect
[02:04:21] Beirdo: it should point to a directory, not a file
[02:05:22] Beirdo: it will run as is, but it will not be logging to the file at all
[02:05:51] Beirdo: anyways, time to go find a bus home.
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[02:46:14] Captain_Murdoch: stichnot, if usingextradata is true, then you can probably get a good idea of the total bitrate from the elements in the extradata struct.
[02:50:53] stichnot: Interesting. I'll have a look at the data for my .nuv files.
[02:53:04] Captain_Murdoch: any file we record to completion should have the extradata block. if the file is corrupted or we didn't complete the recording properly (ie, a crash), then the extradata won't exist. it's a block of data at the end of the file. the header on the file has a pointer to this block at the end.
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[02:53:39] Captain_Murdoch: so you'd still need a fallback bitrate, but could get a more accurate number if necessary for most recordings.
[03:02:09] stichnot: It doesn't look like the video bitrate data is there for rtjpeg, but it is for the other one (whatever it's called) which is what most people are using
[03:05:44] Beirdo: mpeg4
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[04:51:28] stichnot: Captain_Murdoch: thanks for the tip. I set a fallback bitrate of 1000 Kb/s which seems to work fine.
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[06:09:35] Beirdo: wth?
[06:09:54] Beirdo: I'm getting a segfault in __dynamic_cast?
[06:10:02] Beirdo: stupid C++ :)
[06:12:15] Beirdo: hmmm
[06:12:21] Beirdo: I think I see what I did wrong
[06:14:14] Beirdo: yup
[06:14:25] Beirdo: Note: QNetworkAccessManager takes ownership of the cookieJar object.
[06:14:36] Beirdo: i.e. don't try to manually delete it, moron.
[06:14:39] Beirdo: heh
[06:17:37] Beirdo: stichnot: you may have fixed some other transcode bugs in that as well
[06:19:26] Beirdo: although I can't seem to find a ticket number, musta been only on the ML
[06:30:41] Beirdo: THERE
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[06:35:39] stichnot: How on earth could that have fixed a transcode bug???
[06:36:01] Beirdo: transcode also uses the ring buffers
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[06:36:47] Beirdo: people have been saying that transcodes from NUV have been odd occasionally, and having ringbuffer underruns could certainly be affecting it ;)
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[06:40:41] stichnot: hmm, I suppose, maybe in a master/slave backend situation where the source file and the transcode process are on different machines...
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[06:41:56] stichnot: but only if it was happening between November 2011 and now
[06:42:44] Beirdo: yeah, true
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[12:48:42] jya: oh, we have another volunteer to make channel change in livetv faster… it's been a while since someone mentioned it
[12:49:59] stuarta: livetv? what's that? isn't that a test tool to verify your channels are working?
[12:50:05] stuarta: :)
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[13:14:09] stuartm: to be fair to this guy, the time it takes to change between channels on the same mux is inexplicably slow
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[13:19:48] xavierh: Just migrate to mythbuntu 0.25, and I noticed a bug in livetv, mythfrontend failed to load the channel icon (because they were not there) but try loading them in a loop to the point I had to kill mythfrontend. I copied the icon where they should be and it is working fine. I will removed them again and try with master.
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[13:23:06] xavierh: Also entering the audio setup can crash the frontend. I thought the problem came with the mythUI settings, but it does the same with mythbuntu 0.25 on 2 different computer. Will have to learn how to use gdb :)
[13:29:07] stuartm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Running_gdb_directly
[13:29:16] xavierh: freenode/#mythtv(+nst)]
[13:29:19] xavierh: [#mythtv]
[13:30:29] xavierh: stuartm: thanks
[13:38:20] Captain_Murdoch: stichnot, yw. glad I could help. as someone who still transcodes some, thanks you for the fix. Hopefully for 0.26 or 0.27, we can nix .nuv encoding and use the .mp4 encoding capability I've already got working for the HTTP Live Streaming. I think it could be hooked into NVR fairly easy.
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[13:56:53] stichnot: Captain_Murdoch: it's funny, the bug was also affecting my transcoded recordings, but I didn't make the connection until looking into the ticket. My bitrate was low enough that it stuttered for the first 30 seconds until the buffering finally started kicking in. I figured it was some inscrutable problem in the mp4 playback code.
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[14:05:48] stuarta: well done!
[14:08:40] jya: shouldn't we add some playback profile for the mac that uses the new vda decoder ? rather painful to have to manually create it. Also, the help text for the decoder talks about "MPEG2".. it's obviously a remnant of a very old meaning… little to do with mpeg2 these days
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[14:13:05] stuarta: sounds like a reasonable idea
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[14:15:43] jya: vda works beautifully.. 9% to play a bluray on the mac
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[14:16:38] jya: i look into adding a default profile tomorrow
[14:17:28] stuarta: when did apple add that support?
[14:17:57] jya: h264 decoding? about 1.5 years ago… it was lomited to some nvidia chipset only
[14:18:11] jya: it works with my ATI card now
[14:18:14] stuarta: i meant VDA
[14:18:25] jya: yes.. that's h264 decoding only
[14:18:35] jya: I too meant vda :)
[14:18:55] jya: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#tech . . . /DTS40009798
[14:19:09] jya: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, GeForce 320M, GeForce GT 330M, ATI HD Radeon GFX, Intel HD Graphics
[14:19:29] jya: last I looked was nvidia 320M and 9600 only
[14:19:43] jya: 10.6.3
[14:20:38] jya: it's not as efficiient as VDPAU, as all it does is the decoding, you still need to display the data, nlike VDPAU that can do the rendering as well
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[14:21:27] stuarta: i do sometimes wonder if we should be leveraging more apple frameworks "Using the QTKit QTMovie object with QTMovieOpenForPlaybackAttribute enabled is the recommended way for applications to automatically access GPU accelerated playback of H.264 encoded media."
[14:22:14] jya: we could.. but it would make a universal source code an absolute pain to manage
[14:22:33] stuarta: i think that's where plain OpenGL wins?
[14:22:51] jya: that and Qt
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[14:23:14] jya: i wouldn't be surprised if Qt came up with a playback engine that uses Apple framework if available
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[14:30:57] danielk22: jya: I believe Qt's Phonon framework uses QuickTime on OSX.
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[14:40:39] xavierh: danielk22: Phonon is dead, is it not ?
[14:47:53] stuarta: we certainly don't use it
[14:49:06] wagnerrp: we dont use it, but qtwebkit/mythbrowser require it
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[14:54:35] danielk22: xavierh: stuarta: I don't know if it is 'dead' but it isn't something we can use. It's a gstreamer type thing to allow you to add simple video player functionality to an app, it can't be extended to enable something like the myth video player.
[15:06:26] xavierh: danielk22: By default it use gstreamer on linux, but you could use xine or vlc backend.
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[15:56:36] stuartm: neither of those is any more appealing when we have our own playback code which is superior in some ways
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[16:13:38] skd5aner: anyone focusing on making sure the windows build works well for release? seems lvr has an updated script that fixes several bugs – perhaps those changes should be reflected in master? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/508136
[16:14:09] skd5aner: (and post 2 has some additional fixes in that thread)
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[16:16:27] skd5aner: "In case anyone was
[16:16:27] skd5aner: interested in a binary Windows trunk build, I uploaded it to MediaFire
[16:16:27] skd5aner: at http://www.mediafire.com/?22bo9o27h5t5hcf It is based on trunk as
[16:16:27] skd5aner: of last night 3/12/2012. "
[16:16:37] skd5aner: ack, sorry – it pasted as 1 line :/
[16:21:13] wagnerrp: stuartm: re comment to -dev list, hes talking about the delays caused by a stalled database preventing the frontend from pulling the data it needs to perform the transition
[16:22:07] wagnerrp: all the complaints of such behavior conveniently coincided with the 'barrier' changes
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[17:11:24] stichnot: I was looking at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9429 (can't turn on a certain DVD AV subtitle stream). I think I may have a similar issue — I have a DVD where I can enable AV subtitles, but after a minute or two it switches to CEA-608 closed captions until I reenable AV subtitles. Before I start hunting, does this ring any bells for anyone?
[17:13:07] stichnot: One theory is that the requested subtitle stream momentarily disappears from the higher-level stream but isn't automatically reinstated when it comes back.
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[17:32:33] wagnerrp: i thought we changed the schema update behavior such that the backend would not automatically update if run outside of a tty and unable to prompt the user
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[17:38:37] stuartm: other way around, it will prompt if run from a TTY but not if run without a tty, e.g. from an init-script since we don't want the backend failing to come back up after a power loss etc
[17:39:02] wagnerrp: right, it doesnt prompt, and proceeds to update anyway
[17:39:07] stuartm: yep
[17:39:19] wagnerrp: i thought that was changed so it would error out and refuse to update without asking the user first
[17:39:26] stuartm: nope
[17:40:54] stuartm: as mentioned, that's undesirable behaviour when the backend is started from an init script since the user won't see any error and may not notice that it's not started until it's already missed recordings
[17:41:24] wagnerrp: but that would imply the user had updated the binaries prior to restarting
[17:41:50] wagnerrp: if you update an application, and dont actually check to make sure it runs
[17:41:53] wagnerrp: thats your own fault
[17:44:23] xavierh: wagnerrp: as a backup is done automatically ...
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[17:54:22] Beirdo: ideally, the act of installing the new version would also update the schema at install time
[17:54:28] Beirdo: but that's not how things work :)
[17:54:44] wagnerrp: that could fairly easily be how things work
[17:54:58] Beirdo: true, but they don't at this time
[17:55:22] Beirdo: and getting that to work for both packages and make install (source installs)... gets a bit tricky
[17:55:51] Beirdo: but that really is the "right" time as the user is already taking an action to upgrade
[17:56:04] Beirdo: would still need confirmation, of course
[17:56:12] wagnerrp: add a command line flag to mythtv-setup to update the database and terminate without UI
[17:56:21] wagnerrp: or maybe stuff another module into mythutil to do that
[17:56:37] Beirdo: yup, that would be the route to go, I'd think
[17:56:49] wagnerrp: with a configure flag optionally run that during 'make install'
[17:57:07] wagnerrp: of course it will all be moot once we move the database directly into mythbackend
[17:57:10] Beirdo: or to optionally disable. :)
[17:59:05] Beirdo: yeah, that won't be for a little bit yet though
[18:00:36] Beirdo: ah crap. meetings
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[18:25:58] stuartm: upgrading upon install would be a pain for development, if the schema gets changed from underneath a running backend/frontend who knows what damage that might do
[18:30:25] stichnot: Looks like my issue (above) may be different from #9429. For whatever reason, it seems that every so often, the decoder re-selects audio and caption/subtitle tracks, and MythPlayer::NextCaptionTrack() favors 608/708 captions over AV subtitles.
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[20:09:47] sphery: stichnot: AIUI, if you turn on captions with TOGGLECC, it tells MythTV to always display the most-preferred caption type, and since MythPlayer::NextCaptionTrack() makes CC708/608 more-preferred than AVSubtitle, as soon as it sees a 608 track, it switches. If, instead, you use the menu to explicitly select the A/V subtitle stream (or possibly if you use TOGGLESUBTITLE), it will stick to that stream type (you've been specific, so ...
[20:09:53] sphery: ... MythTV doesn't use its idea of preferred).
[20:10:49] sphery: Pretty sure SELECTSUBTITLE_0, SELECTSUBTITLE_1, NEXTSUBTITLE, and PREVSUBTITLE would all stick with the A/V subs track and not switch back to CC
[20:11:15] stichnot: Not in this example. I set AV subtitles through the menu or SELECTSUBTITLE_0 and eventually it falls back to cc608.
[20:11:42] stichnot: I'm guessing the AV sub stream/track is momentarily disappearing?
[20:11:54] sphery: stuarta: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f261f8ef7 is at least a partial fix (possibly complete fix) for http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10198
[20:12:45] sphery: stichnot: yeah, that could be... not sure whether specific requests stick around through disappearing tracks
[20:13:12] stichnot: in any case, trying to debug it now in the background...
[20:13:24] stuartm: bug opened against – jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24 – maybe not stable enough then
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[23:09:11] The_Ball: what's the terminology for having a capture card in a different machine than where the backend is running?
[23:16:31] wagnerrp: "unusable"
[23:18:36] The_Ball: oh, I thought that was a fairly common thing to do
[23:18:56] wagnerrp: the backend records, you cant use a capture card installed on a machine where you dont have a backend running
[23:19:34] wagnerrp: do you mean "slave backend", where you run a secondary backend on that machine you have a capture card installed in?
[23:19:57] The_Ball: hmm, so I have a box running where the antenna is, that's where the capture card is, however that's not where the server with the storage livs
[23:20:04] The_Ball: s/livs/lives
[23:20:25] The_Ball: "slave backend" might be what I need for this scenario then
[23:20:30] wagnerrp: this sounds like a user support question, this is the development channel, you want #mythtv-users
[23:20:40] The_Ball: ah sorry about that
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[23:42:41] The_Ball: who reads the topic anyways ;)
[23:43:36] sphery: those who don't miss out on the surprisingly useful information awaiting them in #mythtv-users (hint, hint--you should probably join that channel, anyway)
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