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| [00:25:23] | danielk22: | m[ok |
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| [15:04:25] | Seeker`: | still no iamlindoro? |
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| [15:55:38] | jams: | xris..who should I talk with at silicon mechanics for acquiring a server for linhes? |
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| [17:26:08] | Seeker`: | what is going to happen to markks code that he "owns" if he isnt aroum any longer? |
| [17:27:53] | wagnerrp: | likely the same as everything else |
| [17:28:11] | Seeker`: | which is? |
| [17:28:12] | wagnerrp: | it will continue to run until... it doesn't |
| [17:28:42] | wagnerrp: | by which point, hopefully someone else will have picked up support for it, or it will rot and get deleted |
| [17:29:41] | Seeker`: | until then, how do i convince a dev to accept a patch against it? |
| [17:29:45] | sphery: | Besides, no one "owns" any of the code... We all inherit responsibility to maintain any code that's added (or to remove it when it breaks and we decide maintaining it isn't worthwhile). :) |
| [17:30:17] | sphery: | generally, though, for patches, you wait in line, with the other 350+ patches :) |
| [17:30:26] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: just submit a patch, and if someone is interested (likely anyone with an ios device), they will eventually look at it and either commit or comment |
| [17:30:30] | sphery: | (er, tickets, some of which have patches) |
| [17:31:13] | Seeker`: | sphery: hence "owns" rather than owns . there seems tobe a general rule of "wait for the dev that understands the code" |
| [17:36:15] | sphery: | yeah, as wagnerrp said, it's just a matter of some dev taking interest in the patch--and having time to work on it (and it being higher priority than the other things that dev may be trying to finish up--especially with freeze quickly approaching) |
| [17:43:34] | sphery: | stuartm: I'm willing to try to fix the 3 "mythcorecontext.cpp:1133: warning: 'void MythObservable::dispatchNow(const MythEvent&)' is deprecated (declared at mythobservable.h:21)" warnings (and fix #9819 in the process), but I need someone who understands the plugin API/design to comment on the pause/resume approach paul-h used in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9819#comment:12 . I've never done anything with the plugin API and can't figure ... |
| [17:43:40] | sphery: | ... out why the patch was rejected when paul-h proposed it (as he mentioned in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9819#comment:3 ) since the proposal and rejection don't seem to have been done on list or in Trac (and I can't find any discussion of the patch--just a link to it--in my IRC logs) |
| [17:46:33] | sphery: | Was hoping you might have some input or remember why it was rejected. (If there's no reason to reject it, I can move the sendPlaybackStart/End functions out of util.cpp and into some libmyth location(?) to avoid the circular dependency issue.) |
| [17:47:54] | stuartm: | I can't remember sorry and I've no idea what Paul's proposal was |
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| [17:49:11] | sphery: | I collected the patches he ref'ed and they're on #9819 along with a little history in comment:12 |
| [17:51:47] | danielk22: | sphery: probably the issue was that it added new functions to the plug-in API. |
| [17:55:19] | danielk22: | It could be handled without that using two async events instead of one synchronous event. The first event tells the frontend to pause and the second event tells the waiting code that the pause has happened. |
| [17:55:46] | sphery: | so the playback basically waits on the 2nd? |
| [17:58:00] | danielk22: | yeah, you have to break up the code leading to the dispatchNow() from the code following the dispatchNow(), and calling the second set of code from the event handler. |
| [17:58:11] | danielk22: | s/calling/call/ |
| [17:58:33] | sphery: | yeah, that sounds like a good approach... thanks for looking |
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| [18:58:29] | stuartm: | any idea why extensions to the plugin API would be a problem? I was planning to make some of my own in 0.26 (better plugin integration and plugin management from within the frontend e.g. enabling/disabling) |
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| [19:12:55] | davide: | sphery: What compliler/qt are you using? I didn't get any warnings. |
| [19:14:30] | sphery: | it's a GCC 4.4... The warnings were the "programinfo.cpp:1980: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'" ones at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . s%20%2825%29 |
| [19:15:27] | sphery: | not sure which gcc buildbot is using, though |
| [19:15:42] | sphery: | AIUI, that warning was put in place in GCC 4.3 series |
| [19:16:17] | sphery: | anyway, looked like it didn't need to be char *, so I figured I'd just use QString for it? |
| [19:19:09] | davide: | okay. |
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| [19:34:35] | peitolm: | can anyone remember who it was who reported a sucessful build of mythtv on osx lion? (10.7) |
| [19:39:09] | sphery: | stuarta has done it, but only by using a pre-compiled Qt (and the buildbot osx compile scripts, not the other packager script) |
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| [19:41:04] | stuartm: | sphery: yeah, that's why I want the buildbots to start reporting their gcc and qt version info |
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| [19:43:04] | sphery: | stuartm: Yeah, that would be nice. I remembered your mention and was hoping you and Beirdo had finished that already, but couldn't find it in the show version step or anything, so I figured it hadn't been updated. |
| [19:44:29] | Beirdo: | sphery/stuartm: remind me this evening, it shoudn't be too hard to make a script to report that |
| [19:55:21] | peitolm: | is the buildbot script in git? |
| [19:55:52] | peitolm: | i've been using the osx-packager.pl, which worked fine for snowleopard |
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| [20:02:47] | sphery: | peitolm: check out https://github.com/MythTV/extras/blob/master/ . . . lders/osx.py ... Seems it's the same script, so it must have been "with the buildbot config" |
| [20:07:28] | peitolm: | o.k. so it's an osx-packager.pl bootstrap |
| [20:07:40] | peitolm: | hmm, i need to point it at the system QT |
| [20:08:57] | peitolm: | alternatively i could just fire up my build machine and install buildbot on it |
| [20:12:37] | peitolm: | hmm, i wonder if "--extra-ldflags=-F/System/Library/Frameworks ...." is the magic sauce |
| [20:20:37] | Beirdo: | chipotle is the magic sauce |
| [20:28:48] | wagnerrp: | --extra-flags=-Fchipotle ? |
| [20:36:36] | stuartm: | mmm, chipotle chicken soup |
| [20:40:26] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:44:46] | ** peitolm wonders why osx-packager.pl is no longer doing a git checkout of the mythtv sources ** | |
| [20:47:52] | peitolm: | ah, because it's checking for the parent directory, not the sub |
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| [21:23:46] | danielk22: | has anyone taken care of removing markk from the pertinent configs? |
| [21:24:09] | Beirdo: | not yet, we were giving him a week or so to thing things over |
| [21:24:27] | Beirdo: | As for the mailing list, he can unsubscribe himself |
| [21:24:35] | Beirdo: | likewise on github |
| [21:24:47] | wagnerrp: | you can unsub yourself from the internal list? |
| [21:25:03] | Beirdo: | you can unsub from any list in mailman |
| [21:25:51] | danielk22: | There is no web gui for it... |
| [21:26:20] | wagnerrp: | seems there is (one in the appended email footer) |
| [21:28:34] | Beirdo: | You *should* be able to email to $LIST-requests with "unsubscribe" as the subject and mailman will do the deed |
| [21:29:06] | Beirdo: | anyways, if it becomes an issue, he can get manually removed |
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| [21:31:41] | stuartm: | there is actually a web gui, just no direct link, you can go to any of the other list info pages and substitute the name in the url to get to 'hidden' lists |
| [21:32:38] | wagnerrp: | (or click the link in the email footer) |
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| [21:45:01] | Beirdo: | the list is just not listed in the "all lists on this server" page, otherwise, it should work the same as the others, yes |
| [21:48:24] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: heh, or that, I'd forgotten about the footer |
| [21:48:57] | stuartm: | this feature freeze is coming up too fast :( |
| [22:12:30] | danielk22: | stuartm: I'm glad I got night mode in.. :) |
| [22:15:10] | jams: | danielk22- that night mode thing..are the values configurable? |
| [22:16:24] | stuartm: | danielk22: about that, I was thinking a statetype for the OSD to indicate that we're in night-mode (especially useful for users who have accidentally enabled it and are wondering why the picture is dark) |
| [22:18:09] | sphery: | jams: when I thought his comment in the ticket was because he feared my getting mad if he added new settings: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-0 . . . -04:00:15:37 |
| [22:21:36] | jams: | i was only asking because some people version of dim doesn't match others. I do like the idea of accessing from the OSD. |
| [22:22:12] | xris: | jams: not sure I know anyone who still works in the simech sales dept. even the original owners are mostly gone. talk to kormoc. he actually deals with server stuff for work. I think they moved on to pogo linux recently (run by another good acquaintance of ours) |
| [22:22:32] | danielk22: | jams: no, it just adds/removes 10% from brightness and contrast. |
| [22:23:18] | danielk22: | stuartm: Sure. I didn't bind a value to the toggle key so you'd really only have it if you either bound that yourself or you used the menu. |
| [22:23:34] | jams: | xris- thanks..suppose i could also check out pogolinux. |
| [22:23:47] | jams: | don't really care where the server comes from..just want a decent deal! |
| [22:24:10] | danielk22: | It was a feature the TV in our bedroom used to have, but when I replaced the old tube with a flat screen we lost that feature. |
| [22:24:35] | danielk22: | & really missed it... |
| [22:24:45] | ** Captain_Murdoch surpressed the urge to send a "box car derby" type reply to ticket #10314 ** | |
| [22:25:07] | xris: | jams: deals are hard to find these days |
| [22:25:15] | jams: | danielk22- it's a great idea. |
| [22:25:20] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: btw, you ever figure out those servers from work for mythtv? |
| [22:26:11] | jams: | xris- i have several hp370 but osu won't take them because they are 4u |
| [22:26:37] | jams: | can't say i blame them..cause they are large and heavy |
| [22:26:38] | xris: | ahh, that may have been Captain_Murdoch's issue, too |
| [22:26:43] | danielk22: | jams: A faceless engineer Panasonic deserves the credit :) |
| [22:26:48] | xris: | 4u is fine.. as long as they're full of drives. :) |
| [22:27:05] | jams: | all these are full of drives! |
| [22:29:34] | stuartm: | danielk22: newbie users love to play with settings they don't fully understand, it's just one of the reasons why I backed many settings being removed |
| [22:30:36] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: you're too quick--you blocked my quoting of that same paragraph |
| [22:31:08] | stichnot: | idiotism — love it! :) |
| [22:31:14] | sphery: | I'm sure if I weren't an idiot, it wouldn't have taken me so long to copy/paste the paragraph |
| [22:31:22] | stuartm: | an optional statetype in the OSD, means we can indicate the mode is enabled when the user presses info (an icon in the corner of the screen maybe) |
| [22:34:31] | skd5aner: | 2 of my flat panels have auto night/dimming detection... it's nice for the one in our bedroom |
| [22:34:33] | danielk22: | stuartm: I've got no objection to it :) |
| [22:36:45] | jams: | skd5aner- my monitor has that feature and I hate it. it picks up on the slightest change in light. Constantly adjusting the brightness. Fortunatly it's an option to turn it off |
| [22:38:03] | wagnerrp: | why would a scraper need access to the database? |
| [22:38:31] | skd5aner: | jams: yea, I'd hate it in most situations (pc monitors, living room, etc...) but the bedroom is nice because the display can be blinding in complete darkness |
| [22:38:37] | stuartm: | skd5aner: it won't be long before people complain that it's a) Not dimmed automatically after a specific time in the evening b) that there's no API to toggle it via an external light sensor |
| [22:38:53] | skd5aner: | and, since I'm usually only watching the TV in the bedroom at night, it's nice :) |
| [22:39:14] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: well, a trigger in the frontend services should be simple enough |
| [22:39:21] | skd5aner: | stuartm: heh – well, while the sensor idea might be cool, at that point... |
| [22:39:23] | wagnerrp: | after that, its up to the user to supply all the other functionality |
| [22:40:53] | skd5aner: | stuartm: about the OSD, one idea I might suggest (icon wise) would be a light-buble that says something like "DIM" in the middle and isn't colored in, and maybe one that says "FULL" and is colored in when full |
| [22:41:24] | skd5aner: | I think my samsung panel does something with a leaf or something since they tout it as a power saving feature, probably not applicable in this situation |
| [22:41:47] | stuartm: | text is tricky, needs translating and you can bet that the German for Dim is about 5 times longer |
| [22:41:53] | skd5aner: | ah, true... |
| [22:41:57] | skd5aner: | duh |
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| [22:42:34] | skd5aner: | Well, a lightbulb with several segments around it, only some colored in when in use versus all colored in when full |
| [22:42:40] | skd5aner: | I don't know – just thinking out loud :) |
| [22:42:58] | ** skd5aner is now curious what the icon is on his samsung ** | |
| [22:43:18] | stuartm: | lightbulb is a good idea, a lightbulb moment ... |
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| [23:09:34] | dekarl_zZz: | how about calling it "night (vision) mode". That would fit well with toggling it via a sensor/time ;) and a sun/moon icon |
| [23:10:04] | xavierh: | What ! there is no API :) |
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| [23:15:58] | stuartm: | not for scripts at least ;) If we're going to be accurate there is a public API through MythPlayer |
| [23:17:05] | danielk22: | xavierh: I'd be happy for someone to code up the XML API, the patch would show me how it is done :) |
| [23:20:34] | xavierh: | What about a moon, for a "night mode" it would make sense |
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| [23:22:32] | Ironhand: | I'm running mythtv 0.24, and when I go to Media Library -> Watch Videos, Mythtv seems to hang for an exceedingly long time. Further investigation with strace turns out that the mythfrontend is scanning the entire system's file tree including all mounts, rather than just the video dir |
| [23:22:45] | Ironhand: | is this familiar, and is there any way to prevent this? |
| [23:23:31] | Ironhand: | it seems to only occur since I changed my system from having its root fs on a sata harddisk to a usb flash drive, though that could be coincidence |
| [23:25:20] | stuartm: | iirc there was a time when we iterated through all storage groups to find a file, but I thought that had been fixed to only look at storage groups of the same type |
| [23:26:10] | stuartm: | caching of the last found location was never added though, which is a shame since it means waking up drives unnecessarily |
| [23:26:35] | Ironhand: | would that mean mythtv is somehow trying to find a specific file rather than just scanning the filetree for building a list? |
| [23:27:15] | Seeker`: | let the theme decide what to do for night mode? |
| [23:28:35] | Ironhand: | could it be that somehow mythtv feels my root fs needs to be scanned b/c it's on a USB flash drive, which is technically "removable storage"? |
| [23:28:37] | stuartm: | Seeker`: the theme will decide, but we still need to choose something for the default theme and Terra/Other |
| [23:29:53] | Seeker`: | either a lightbulb, or a moon icon |
| [23:32:43] | sphery: | Ironhand: you've misconfigured your system, and I'd be happy to help you fix it in the proper channel ( #mythtv-users ) |
| [23:33:35] | Ironhand: | sphery: ah, my bad, should have read the topic – thanks for the pointer |
| [23:36:25] | stuartm: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [23:36:25] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro was last seen 5 days 15 hours 16 minutes 29 seconds ago |
| [23:37:50] | Seeker`: | he is still online though, but has been idle for 2 days |
| [23:38:22] | stuartm: | crap |
| [23:38:57] | Seeker`: | -23:37:32- [freenode] ~s~ idle : 2 days 1 hours 18 mins 46 secs signon: Mon Jan 30 08:41:54 2012 |
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