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Saturday, November 26th, 2011, 00:02 UTC
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[01:01:36] danielk22: vontrapp: if you post the backtrace using pastebin.ca someone here may be able to help..
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[01:41:14] XDS200010: does a AIO card with full linux support exist ?
[01:41:47] XDS200010: AIO being all bands of radio and tv
[01:44:17] wagnerrp: meaning, something with analog demodulators for AM, FM, NTSC and all the blends of PAL, and digital demodulators for ATSC, ISDB, DVB-T, DVB-T2, DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-C, DAB, DRM, and HDradio?
[01:44:44] XDS200010: wagnerrp: yup
[01:44:52] wagnerrp: i highly doubt such a thing might exist outside a software radio
[01:45:04] wagnerrp: in any case, this is the mythtv development channel, we dont offer user support here
[01:45:21] XDS200010: or more precisely DVB-T R/TV ATSC R/TV
[01:45:57] XDS200010: I don't think anyone would want A-D-s
[01:46:22] XDS200010: wagnerrp: ^
[01:46:47] wagnerrp: oh surely not! but of course they would want a single tuner cable of two different television standards not seen within four thousand miles of each other
[01:46:55] XDS200010: And obsolete bands as well as clear qam wouldn't be necessary IMHO
[01:47:04] wagnerrp: this is still the mythtv development channel, we dont offer user support here
[01:47:58] XDS200010: "seen within four thousand miles of each other" , thats simply not true there is DVB-T/S support in some parts of North america and canada
[01:48:13] XDS200010: (as you go north)
[01:48:34] wagnerrp: S? yes... T? no
[01:48:37] wagnerrp: still the wrong channel
[01:48:44] XDS200010: some alberta stations broadcast in low DVB-T
[01:49:30] XDS200010: by the way, I would like a AIO card myself. FWIW
[01:51:25] XDS200010: I travel a lot and visit family in europe often and would love the convenience of having only one card to carry. FWIW. But i digress. to #linuxTV i go
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[02:15:12] XDS200010: wagnerrp: i cant seem to even find anything that does fm/atsc properly
[02:15:39] XDS200010: :-/ mmmmm... :(
[02:22:48] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt do FM anyway
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[12:52:26] stuartm: there is very little, if any decent supported DAB/FM hardware for linux, radio doesn't seem to be a priority
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[20:28:49] josef__: in backend i can scan both of my satellite postitions but in frontend i can watch only one position – can anyone give me a hint?
[20:31:04] wagnerrp: this is the development channel, please see the topic
[20:53:19] xris: iamlindoro: ever consider adding wikia to the meta data grabber?
[20:53:56] xris: ah, looks a little more difficult. their site search is just google.
[20:56:20] wagnerrp: xris: as in... wikia.com?
[20:58:24] wagnerrp: seems like it would be a massive CF trying to pull data out of it
[20:58:46] wagnerrp: considering each TV series and each movie would have its own independently styled and structured wiki
[21:10:29] xris: yeah, I guess so
[21:12:17] xris: seems they have a lot more info than some other sites
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[21:29:05] sphery: stuartm: if you haven't started working on a mythcachedir environment variable patch, I just sent an e-mail reply mentioning the often-talked-about-but-not-yet-written temp storage group that we keep meaning to do. If you're not interested in doing that, I can take a look at it this week.
[21:31:47] iamlindoro: Temp storage group already exists, and already used by the downloader
[21:31:49] sphery: and, it seems Captain_Murdoch may have had a plan, too... we should probably talk with him
[21:32:33] ** iamlindoro doesn't like the idea of yet more config variables because one distro can't produce usable packages/because they want to be different than everyone else **
[21:33:07] xris: iamlindoro: *one* distro? do any of them agree?
[21:33:25] sphery: yeah, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . roup.cpp#L59 is the temp SG... I'd rather we expose that as user-configurable than use an environment variable override
[21:33:28] iamlindoro: xris: Trying to avoid the use of a ~/.mythtv is just plain silly
[21:33:46] sphery: agreed on that one--since MythTV is a service that requires a user, it should also have a home dir
[21:33:49] wagnerrp: whats wrong with leaving that stuff in ~/.mythtv/tmp?
[21:34:01] sphery: and there are many other user-requiring services in *nix that also need a home dir
[21:34:02] xris: wagnerrp: as long as myth auto-cleans, it's fine
[21:34:03] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: That's what I said
[21:35:25] iamlindoro: The only stuff that goes to the temp one right now is the cached downloads of the MBE (to allow the backend to download a theme once and distribute it to all frontends without additional D/L
[21:35:40] iamlindoro: it's cleared on backend restart and on some other periodic basis
[21:36:36] sphery: so what do other distros do? I know ubuntu has an /etc/mythtv with config files (like config.xml and/or mysql.txt), but do they just link those files into actual home dirs (~/.mythtv) versus linking ~/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv ?
[21:37:16] sphery: if so, seems that's would work for this user--as it wouldn't actually write to (nor need permissions to write to) /etc/mythtv
[21:37:19] iamlindoro: xris: To answer your question, no, hadn't thought of adding wikia-- but since all metadata sources are just scripts, binaries, etc. which follow the metadata standard, anyone who can create one which complies for any source is welcome to-- I've not written any of the source scripts, but the whole system is designed to be modular
[21:37:34] iamlindoro: sphery: yes, they do
[21:37:48] xris: iamlindoro: gotcha. but wagnerrp has a point. probably too much work to write custom parsers for every possible show. heh.
[21:38:20] iamlindoro: I do think the wikia stuff is pretty good for some shows-- if only it were a little less freeform
[21:38:50] xris: sphery: red hat distros would want system service stuff (backend) to go in some global place like /etc, /usr/share, /var and so forth. client stuff (fronted) would go in ~/.mythtv
[21:39:42] xris: makes sense to me. I wouldn't want a service writing to something in /home — that's for actual users of the computer (as in a human)
[21:40:07] wagnerrp: xris: and they can futz with $HOME to do that
[21:40:10] sphery: anyway, we have 3 builtin SG's--one for ChannelIcons, one for Themes, and one for Temp--under GetConfDir(), meaning those dirs require write to ~/.mythtv (or MYTHCONFDIR--or at least the /ChannelIcons, /themes, and /tmp dirs under there), so even if we "fix" the temp dir, I'm sure he'll next complain about /themes and /ChannelIcons (at least once he starts a frontend)
[21:40:51] xris: wagnerrp: well, yeah. an application's $HOME could be /usr/share/mythtv or /var/lib/mythtv or whatever
[21:41:12] wagnerrp: xris: i mean they can alter that dynamically at execution time
[21:41:20] sphery: what do they do for things like cyrus imapd and such? those require a home dir (and are definitely system services versus user programs)
[21:41:20] wagnerrp: it doesnt have to be the one stored to the user profile
[21:41:36] sphery: if they have that working, they should be able to get mythtv working the way they like
[21:41:45] sphery: (of course, it's possible they just edit the source)
[21:41:46] wagnerrp: so they could keep the frontend's home in /home/mythtv, and have the backend binary execute from /etc/mythtv
[21:41:55] wagnerrp: both running under the 'mythtv' user
[21:42:30] wagnerrp: the only reason for an independent MYTHCONFDIR is some distros thing it is dirty to subsequently use /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/
[21:43:16] xris: sphery: never used cyrrus. but if it works like courier, app config files go somewhere "global" (/var/whatever, etcetera), but the mail (which belongs to actual humans) goes into homedirs, or some home-like structure for virtual users.
[21:45:03] sphery: right, so set HOME=/srv/mythtv (or /var/lib/mythtv if they're still non-FHS-compliant) and then have backend config in /etc/mythtv with links at $HOME/.mythtv for config.xml/mysql.txt/whatever
[21:45:19] sphery: since those 2 files are really the only config files we have
[21:45:28] sphery: (and, really, it's best to use just one)
[21:46:06] sphery: or whatever...
[21:46:19] wagnerrp: which brings up the question again, is there any compelling need to keep mysql.txt around?
[21:48:17] xris: wagnerrp: no. we should embed the db and get that mess over with.  ;)
[21:49:52] sphery: I have part of a patch to remove mysql.txt--just have to finish it. We have so much code and so many different paths where it's used that it's taking a while
[21:50:04] sphery: plus need to fix some config.xml stuff while I'm at it
[21:52:28] xris: the way I'd do it is to have a config for the backend, and put that somewhere under /etc (but provide a cli/env or compiletime override). that would specify storage dir locations (for theme files, etc). probably similar to mysql's setup. frontend stuff would continue to live in ~/.mythtv
[21:52:50] xris: sphery: /srv is fhs? I'll have to re-read that. last time I looked, I thought it was way too vague
[21:53:52] wagnerrp: xris: im talking about removing mysql.txt, and pulling that information from config.xml instead
[21:54:12] wagnerrp: weve had the two separate and redundant files around for four versions now
[21:54:43] wagnerrp: last time it was brought up, i think someone was using it for some database overrides
[21:55:40] sphery: xris: more than anything /var/lib is temporary "variable state information" ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . EINFORMATION ) , and /srv is data for services provided by this system ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . IDEDBYSYSTEM )
[21:56:40] wagnerrp: sphery: what are you talking about? /var/lib is for recording storage!
[21:56:53] sphery: hehe, on far too many systems it is :)
[21:56:57] xris: recordings are temporary.  :)
[21:57:50] xris: should look at hour courier-mta does it some time. he puts stuff under /usr/libexec/....
[21:59:30] xris: afk time to babysit...
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