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[01:01:36] | danielk22: | vontrapp: if you post the backtrace using pastebin.ca someone here may be able to help.. |
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[01:41:14] | XDS200010: | does a AIO card with full linux support exist ? |
[01:41:47] | XDS200010: | AIO being all bands of radio and tv |
[01:44:17] | wagnerrp: | meaning, something with analog demodulators for AM, FM, NTSC and all the blends of PAL, and digital demodulators for ATSC, ISDB, DVB-T, DVB-T2, DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-C, DAB, DRM, and HDradio? |
[01:44:44] | XDS200010: | wagnerrp: yup |
[01:44:52] | wagnerrp: | i highly doubt such a thing might exist outside a software radio |
[01:45:04] | wagnerrp: | in any case, this is the mythtv development channel, we dont offer user support here |
[01:45:21] | XDS200010: | or more precisely DVB-T R/TV ATSC R/TV |
[01:45:57] | XDS200010: | I don't think anyone would want A-D-s |
[01:46:22] | XDS200010: | wagnerrp: ^ |
[01:46:47] | wagnerrp: | oh surely not! but of course they would want a single tuner cable of two different television standards not seen within four thousand miles of each other |
[01:46:55] | XDS200010: | And obsolete bands as well as clear qam wouldn't be necessary IMHO |
[01:47:04] | wagnerrp: | this is still the mythtv development channel, we dont offer user support here |
[01:47:58] | XDS200010: | "seen within four thousand miles of each other" , thats simply not true there is DVB-T/S support in some parts of North america and canada |
[01:48:13] | XDS200010: | (as you go north) |
[01:48:34] | wagnerrp: | S? yes... T? no |
[01:48:37] | wagnerrp: | still the wrong channel |
[01:48:44] | XDS200010: | some alberta stations broadcast in low DVB-T |
[01:49:30] | XDS200010: | by the way, I would like a AIO card myself. FWIW |
[01:51:25] | XDS200010: | I travel a lot and visit family in europe often and would love the convenience of having only one card to carry. FWIW. But i digress. to #linuxTV i go |
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[02:15:12] | XDS200010: | wagnerrp: i cant seem to even find anything that does fm/atsc properly |
[02:15:39] | XDS200010: | :-/ mmmmm... :( |
[02:22:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt do FM anyway |
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[12:52:26] | stuartm: | there is very little, if any decent supported DAB/FM hardware for linux, radio doesn't seem to be a priority |
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[20:28:49] | josef__: | in backend i can scan both of my satellite postitions but in frontend i can watch only one position – can anyone give me a hint? |
[20:31:04] | wagnerrp: | this is the development channel, please see the topic |
[20:53:19] | xris: | iamlindoro: ever consider adding wikia to the meta data grabber? |
[20:53:56] | xris: | ah, looks a little more difficult. their site search is just google. |
[20:56:20] | wagnerrp: | xris: as in... wikia.com? |
[20:58:24] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be a massive CF trying to pull data out of it |
[20:58:46] | wagnerrp: | considering each TV series and each movie would have its own independently styled and structured wiki |
[21:10:29] | xris: | yeah, I guess so |
[21:12:17] | xris: | seems they have a lot more info than some other sites |
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[21:29:05] | sphery: | stuartm: if you haven't started working on a mythcachedir environment variable patch, I just sent an e-mail reply mentioning the often-talked-about-but-not-yet-written temp storage group that we keep meaning to do. If you're not interested in doing that, I can take a look at it this week. |
[21:31:47] | iamlindoro: | Temp storage group already exists, and already used by the downloader |
[21:31:49] | sphery: | and, it seems Captain_Murdoch may have had a plan, too... we should probably talk with him |
[21:32:33] | ** iamlindoro doesn't like the idea of yet more config variables because one distro can't produce usable packages/because they want to be different than everyone else ** | |
[21:33:07] | xris: | iamlindoro: *one* distro? do any of them agree? |
[21:33:25] | sphery: | yeah, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . roup.cpp#L59 is the temp SG... I'd rather we expose that as user-configurable than use an environment variable override |
[21:33:28] | iamlindoro: | xris: Trying to avoid the use of a ~/.mythtv is just plain silly |
[21:33:46] | sphery: | agreed on that one--since MythTV is a service that requires a user, it should also have a home dir |
[21:33:49] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with leaving that stuff in ~/.mythtv/tmp? |
[21:34:01] | sphery: | and there are many other user-requiring services in *nix that also need a home dir |
[21:34:02] | xris: | wagnerrp: as long as myth auto-cleans, it's fine |
[21:34:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: That's what I said |
[21:35:25] | iamlindoro: | The only stuff that goes to the temp one right now is the cached downloads of the MBE (to allow the backend to download a theme once and distribute it to all frontends without additional D/L |
[21:35:40] | iamlindoro: | it's cleared on backend restart and on some other periodic basis |
[21:36:36] | sphery: | so what do other distros do? I know ubuntu has an /etc/mythtv with config files (like config.xml and/or mysql.txt), but do they just link those files into actual home dirs (~/.mythtv) versus linking ~/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv ? |
[21:37:16] | sphery: | if so, seems that's would work for this user--as it wouldn't actually write to (nor need permissions to write to) /etc/mythtv |
[21:37:19] | iamlindoro: | xris: To answer your question, no, hadn't thought of adding wikia-- but since all metadata sources are just scripts, binaries, etc. which follow the metadata standard, anyone who can create one which complies for any source is welcome to-- I've not written any of the source scripts, but the whole system is designed to be modular |
[21:37:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yes, they do |
[21:37:48] | xris: | iamlindoro: gotcha. but wagnerrp has a point. probably too much work to write custom parsers for every possible show. heh. |
[21:38:20] | iamlindoro: | I do think the wikia stuff is pretty good for some shows-- if only it were a little less freeform |
[21:38:50] | xris: | sphery: red hat distros would want system service stuff (backend) to go in some global place like /etc, /usr/share, /var and so forth. client stuff (fronted) would go in ~/.mythtv |
[21:39:42] | xris: | makes sense to me. I wouldn't want a service writing to something in /home — that's for actual users of the computer (as in a human) |
[21:40:07] | wagnerrp: | xris: and they can futz with $HOME to do that |
[21:40:10] | sphery: | anyway, we have 3 builtin SG's--one for ChannelIcons, one for Themes, and one for Temp--under GetConfDir(), meaning those dirs require write to ~/.mythtv (or MYTHCONFDIR--or at least the /ChannelIcons, /themes, and /tmp dirs under there), so even if we "fix" the temp dir, I'm sure he'll next complain about /themes and /ChannelIcons (at least once he starts a frontend) |
[21:40:51] | xris: | wagnerrp: well, yeah. an application's $HOME could be /usr/share/mythtv or /var/lib/mythtv or whatever |
[21:41:12] | wagnerrp: | xris: i mean they can alter that dynamically at execution time |
[21:41:20] | sphery: | what do they do for things like cyrus imapd and such? those require a home dir (and are definitely system services versus user programs) |
[21:41:20] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have to be the one stored to the user profile |
[21:41:36] | sphery: | if they have that working, they should be able to get mythtv working the way they like |
[21:41:45] | sphery: | (of course, it's possible they just edit the source) |
[21:41:46] | wagnerrp: | so they could keep the frontend's home in /home/mythtv, and have the backend binary execute from /etc/mythtv |
[21:41:55] | wagnerrp: | both running under the 'mythtv' user |
[21:42:30] | wagnerrp: | the only reason for an independent MYTHCONFDIR is some distros thing it is dirty to subsequently use /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/ |
[21:43:16] | xris: | sphery: never used cyrrus. but if it works like courier, app config files go somewhere "global" (/var/whatever, etcetera), but the mail (which belongs to actual humans) goes into homedirs, or some home-like structure for virtual users. |
[21:45:03] | sphery: | right, so set HOME=/srv/mythtv (or /var/lib/mythtv if they're still non-FHS-compliant) and then have backend config in /etc/mythtv with links at $HOME/.mythtv for config.xml/mysql.txt/whatever |
[21:45:19] | sphery: | since those 2 files are really the only config files we have |
[21:45:28] | sphery: | (and, really, it's best to use just one) |
[21:46:06] | sphery: | or whatever... |
[21:46:19] | wagnerrp: | which brings up the question again, is there any compelling need to keep mysql.txt around? |
[21:48:17] | xris: | wagnerrp: no. we should embed the db and get that mess over with. ;) |
[21:49:52] | sphery: | I have part of a patch to remove mysql.txt--just have to finish it. We have so much code and so many different paths where it's used that it's taking a while |
[21:50:04] | sphery: | plus need to fix some config.xml stuff while I'm at it |
[21:52:28] | xris: | the way I'd do it is to have a config for the backend, and put that somewhere under /etc (but provide a cli/env or compiletime override). that would specify storage dir locations (for theme files, etc). probably similar to mysql's setup. frontend stuff would continue to live in ~/.mythtv |
[21:52:50] | xris: | sphery: /srv is fhs? I'll have to re-read that. last time I looked, I thought it was way too vague |
[21:53:52] | wagnerrp: | xris: im talking about removing mysql.txt, and pulling that information from config.xml instead |
[21:54:12] | wagnerrp: | weve had the two separate and redundant files around for four versions now |
[21:54:43] | wagnerrp: | last time it was brought up, i think someone was using it for some database overrides |
[21:55:40] | sphery: | xris: more than anything /var/lib is temporary "variable state information" ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . EINFORMATION ) , and /srv is data for services provided by this system ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . IDEDBYSYSTEM ) |
[21:56:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what are you talking about? /var/lib is for recording storage! |
[21:56:53] | sphery: | hehe, on far too many systems it is :) |
[21:56:57] | xris: | recordings are temporary. :) |
[21:57:50] | xris: | should look at hour courier-mta does it some time. he puts stuff under /usr/libexec/.... |
[21:59:30] | xris: | afk time to babysit... |
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