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| [08:13:20] | stuarta: | Beirdo: our channels are officially owned. |
| [08:13:23] | stuarta: | it's done and dusted |
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| [08:14:07] | stuarta: | for reference we control #mythtv #mythtv-* |
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| [09:36:35] | stuartm: | markk: so libCEC works with the nvidia proprietary driver? |
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| [09:40:10] | markk: | stuartm: yes and no – there are no 'compatability' issues with the nvidia driver – but you need the usb-hdmi adapter from pulse-eight. The nvidia hardware/software does not expose CEC control directly. |
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| [09:54:46] | stuartm: | ah |
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| [09:56:58] | markk: | should probably have made that clearer in the commit... |
| [09:59:34] | stuartm: | I was aware that you had been talking about an adapter solution earlier but when you didn't mention it in the commit I thought that it might not be required for all setups |
| [10:04:27] | markk: | CEC in hardware is nothing more than a low bitrate serial wire on one of the hdmi lines. I'm guessing more boards will start to expose it internally – I noticed the other day that the raspberry board just needs a driver update... |
| [10:04:52] | stuartm: | aye |
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| [10:07:42] | stuartm: | £30 is a little high for the limited use I'd get from it, but I'm definitely curious, none of the STBs etc I've owned have supported CEC |
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| [10:11:36] | stuarta: | what's CEC? |
| [10:11:37] | markk: | like most around here, I'm a sucker for new gadgets and that was one of the better 30quid I've spent in some time. My hardware support is good however – and the seamles, one remote control solution (with no setup) is great (incl. the playstation for random dvd, bd playback, iplayer etc) |
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| [10:13:45] | stuartm: | stuarta: bi-directional control channel over HDMI, if devices support it then you can have your amp power up from standby when you switch on the STB, or have the STB change the input on the TV etc |
| [10:14:03] | stuarta: | ah, useful |
| [10:14:53] | stuartm: | stuarta: at the most basic it's the old feature of SCART, but if the hardware or in this case software allows it can do more |
| [10:15:56] | stuartm: | e.g. markk is talking about having his TV? redirect remote commands to the TV/STB so one remote operates the lot |
| [10:16:17] | stuartm: | err, for the second TV read MythTV |
| [10:16:24] | stuarta: | :) |
| [10:18:05] | stuartm: | I guess if I could have my MCE remote control everything that would be cool, but I'm not sure whether it works that way |
| [10:20:47] | clever: | ive seen the PS3 hijack the tv's remote control, to the point that it can control the entire UI on the PS3 |
| [10:21:15] | clever: | but my HDMI switch box doesnt properly support CEC, so the PS3 turns on every time the tv does, even when its not the active input |
| [10:21:30] | clever: | (only if the tv is on the switch box input) |
| [10:22:00] | stuartm: | right, the TV remote, since it's the hub of all the devices, but whether the MythTV box can send commands to all other devices is the question |
| [10:22:05] | clever: | mythtv could do similar, to control everything with just the tv's remote, and no lirc |
| [10:22:13] | stuartm: | I don't know enough about CEC |
| [10:22:25] | stuartm: | clever: it already does |
| [10:22:46] | stuartm: | but my TV remote sucks compared to the MCE remote |
| [10:22:55] | clever: | if i understand the bus layout right, there is nothing (beyond the gpu hardware) stopping you from spoofing commands from the tv |
| [10:24:08] | clever: | http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/CEC_white_paper.pdf is an overview of the protocol that i found online |
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| [11:47:17] | markk: | clever: one of the original intentions for the cec adapter (per the pulse-eight guys) was to have your htpc remote controlling everything. It's perfectly doable – it just needs a bit more thought and setup (and other hardware playing nice). |
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| [12:18:16] | clever: | markk: i have a feeling that my HDMI switchbox is completely unaware of CEC, do the symtoms i mentioned above sound like they fit? |
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| [13:06:02] | markk: | clever: if you can control your ps3 with your tv's remote – then CEC is working (to some degree). The functionality that is available will depend on how much the tv vendor has implemented (and how much vendor specific functionality they've added) |
| [13:06:34] | clever: | the main problem i have, is that the ps3/tv arent aware of the active input on the hdmi switch box |
| [13:06:45] | clever: | so automated stuff, is happening when the ps3 isnt the active input |
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| [14:00:23] | wagnerrp: | markk: what do you need to diagnose dvd playback? |
| [14:01:17] | markk: | wagnerrp: what's the issue? |
| [14:01:42] | wagnerrp: | i see the intro and some 'dont steal me' warning |
| [14:01:50] | wagnerrp: | but as soon as it hits the title menu, i drop out |
| [14:02:07] | wagnerrp: | addams family, dual movie dvd |
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| [14:13:49] | markk: | wagnerrp: mythfrontend -v playback --loglevel=debug |
| [14:14:26] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
| [14:14:39] | wagnerrp: | ill shove it in a ticket... once i figure out why i cant ssh into that machine |
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| [19:26:32] | wagnerrp: | im about to run a script on the wiki that clears out all the unused cruft accounts (about 3/4 of the total), so im going to back up the database |
| [19:27:00] | wagnerrp: | the existing database user does not have lock permissions, so im going to take down apache briefly to prevent any possible issues when running --skip-lock-tables |
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| [22:48:41] | MythBuild_: | build #2432 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2432 blamelist: Mark Kendall <mkendall@mythtv.org > |
| [22:51:30] | Beirdo: | I think someone just put in some QT4.7-specific code |
| [22:53:03] | markk: | yup |
| [22:55:49] | MythBuild_: | build #966 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/966 blamelist: Mark Kendall <mkendall@mythtv.org > |
| [22:56:36] | Beirdo: | which brings up our usual round of "is it time yet to require 4.7" :) |
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| [22:59:35] | stuartm: | it's available in all the non-laggardly distros |
| [23:00:07] | Beirdo: | it might be good to think of switching after the release just to be sure, maybe? |
| [23:00:33] | Beirdo: | whatever works, though |
| [23:00:52] | stuartm: | by which I mean you can't run something deliberately old like CentOS and still expect to run the latest version of an application |
| [23:01:16] | Beirdo: | Well, the buildbot slave is on ubuntu 10.04 LTS |
| [23:01:22] | Beirdo: | and it has 4.6.x |
| [23:03:32] | stuartm: | 10.04 is 18 months old already and two major versions behind the current Ubuntu |
| [23:03:39] | Beirdo: | but heck, it can get upgraded, but I'm sure there are others still using pre-11.x versions |
| [23:03:48] | Beirdo: | it is the LTS stable version |
| [23:03:56] | stuartm: | err, three versions behind as of earlier this month |
| [23:04:13] | Beirdo: | and with the number of fun lirc issues since... you can see why people don't want to change |
| [23:04:26] | Beirdo: | but I hear ya :) |
| [23:04:40] | Beirdo: | I don't care for myself personally |
| [23:04:58] | stuartm: | Beirdo: right, LTS for corporate environments etc and by the time 0.25 gets into the next Ubuntu release they'll likely have a new LTS version |
| [23:05:01] | Beirdo: | it's the number of potential screaming mythbuntu users... |
| [23:05:12] | MythBuild_: | build #2433 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2433 |
| [23:05:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, there is that :) |
| [23:06:22] | Beirdo: | wonder if superm1 can get us distro version usage stats on the mythbuntu packages? |
| [23:06:37] | Beirdo: | dunno if PPAs give stats like that |
| [23:08:41] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I know I'm a broken record on this issue, but it beats me why anyone would pick a 'stable' distro for a mythtv box then want to run the very latest and likely unstable version of myth – there's a logical disconnect there |
| [23:09:19] | Beirdo: | stable platform to build the toppling app on? |
| [23:09:32] | Beirdo: | not that we really topple too badly |
| [23:10:12] | Beirdo: | better than having to fight an unstable distro version, and then a potentially unstable app on top. |
| [23:11:04] | stuartm: | in recent years I've yet to experience a major distro release, even a bleeding edge distro that has been notably unstable after the first few weeks of updates have been applied (golden rule, wait for release + 8 weeks if you really want to be sure) |
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| [23:11:32] | Beirdo: | yup, there is that. |
| [23:11:47] | Beirdo: | anyways, for me, I just don't upgrade until I have a good reason :) |
| [23:12:11] | Beirdo: | if we decide to go to 4.7 minimum, I'll just upgrade what I need and carry on as always |
| [23:12:34] | stuartm: | we'll put it to a vote |
| [23:12:43] | Beirdo: | but if we screw over thousands of users, it might be a bit hairy. |
| [23:13:15] | stuartm: | I don't tend to upgrade unless I have good reason, but somehow I manage to find a good reason every ~6 months |
| [23:13:19] | Beirdo: | again, dunno how many are using the older versions, and we have no way to tell from here. The mythbuntu guys may or may not have a way of knowing for their stuff |
| [23:14:03] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah. We should have a new LTS version what... next year? |
| [23:14:08] | MythBuild_: | build #967 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/967 |
| [23:14:10] | Beirdo: | hmm. |
| [23:18:17] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, We don't have a way of telling how many are on old builds |
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| [23:20:30] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: dang |
| [23:20:38] | ** wagnerrp finds the idea of centos users finally getting a new release capable of running mythtv, only to have it taken away just as quickly... amusing ** | |
| [23:21:45] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, what is the need? |
| [23:33:03] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: well, if we decide to switch to Qt 4.7 as a minimum, we leave behind all those on 10.04 LTS unless they are willing to forklift in new versions, or upgrade. |
| [23:33:44] | wagnerrp: | why is that |
| [23:33:48] | Beirdo: | so if we knew that there were a huge number as opposed to a tiny number of users affected, it could affect when that transition happens |
| [23:33:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: because 10.04 LTS has Qt 4.6.2 |
| [23:34:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not going to make it into mythbuntu until at least 12.04, which is a new LTS version |
| [23:34:14] | wagnerrp: | once every two years |
| [23:34:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, and those using the mythbuntu builds right now... |
| [23:35:07] | mrand: | and wagnerrp that is just official 'cd builds'. The repo's will allow installs between then. |
| [23:35:22] | wagnerrp: | those using the 0.25 builds right now are running an unstable version of mythtv, and get whats coming to them |
| [23:35:38] | wagnerrp: | although i do admit, there may be a several month gap between the 0.25 release and 12.04 |
| [23:36:51] | mrand: | If there are enough months, then 12.04 could carry 0.25. Having said that, it is my belief that there are a non-trivial number of people running 10.04 still (starting with a number of the mythbuntu team members) |
| [23:36:57] | Beirdo: | Heh, I'm not arguing not upgrading to 4.7 as a requirement, just the timing, and what affect that has on others. |
| [23:37:15] | Beirdo: | mrand: myself as well |
| [23:38:30] | wagnerrp: | im just saying 4.7 is over a year old, and if it didnt make it into 10.10, it should at least be in 11.04 and 11.10 |
| [23:38:31] | GreyFoxx: | What is the big benefit of 4.7 over 4.6.x? |
| [23:38:45] | wagnerrp: | if theres an easy way to continue using 4.6.x, go for it |
| [23:39:11] | wagnerrp: | but if a feature would be very difficult to do on 4.7, i dont see a need to spend a lot of effort maintaining the old support |
| [23:39:26] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [23:47:38] | mrand: | FYI, 0.25 would need to be released by roughly March 1st to be included in 12.04, and ideally by February 1st. Fixes to 0.25 could be picked up well past those dates (into April) |
| [23:48:42] | Beirdo: | Heh. I'm still hoping for by end of year, but that window is starting to close. We'd need to agree on a feature freeze timeframe pretty soon for that to happen |
| [23:49:32] | Beirdo: | and then have a longer than usual feature freeze time so we can smooth out remaining bugs |
| [23:49:39] | Beirdo: | IMHO :) |
| [23:51:15] | mrand: | Heh. Yeah better to freeze before Christmas holidays or after (from a how-much-time-you-have-to-finish-a-feature vs. what-type-of-testing-might-go-on perspective)? |
| [23:56:09] | Beirdo: | Heh, I'd like to freeze now, and have only the backlog that we identified as being needed for 0.25 |
| [23:56:49] | Beirdo: | i.e. nothing new from now on that hasn't been agreed to by the majority. People have had time to list what they consider needed before release |
| [23:56:59] | Beirdo: | anything else can wait for after, IMHO |
| [23:58:51] | Beirdo: | but I am just one voice of many |
| [23:58:52] | Beirdo: | :) |
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