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| [00:00:10] | iamlindoro: | _klk_: see topic, you want #mythtv-users |
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| [00:07:22] | _klk_: | iamlindoro: thx |
| [00:10:12] | MythBuild: | build #693 of master-linux-ppc is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . c/builds/693 |
| [00:10:30] | Beirdo: | yahooo |
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| [10:04:38] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I'm already using gcc 4.6.1 here, so I've seen them :) |
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| [10:05:24] | stuartm: | although I've not bothered to look too closely yet so I've obviously missed the more serious ones against the unused variable noise |
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| [11:28:25] | knightr: | reynaldo, Like I said in my email if you need any help for those translation tickets, let me know... |
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| [13:33:16] | danielk22: | Beirdo: Have there been any threading changes in the last 4 weeks other than the channel change stuff? I'm seeing backend crashes due to some thread being dtor'ed while still running. AFAICT the channel change myth_system stuff is ok, so I'm thinking it has to be something else.. |
| [13:34:56] | danielk22: | It last happened at 4:02 AM which corresponds to a recording ending.. |
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| [14:04:06] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I also noticed we're no longer capturing the output of libraries that log to the console in the file based logs.. this means that the stacktrace printed by libc wasn't in the log for the crash.. obviously we want that if we want to use the file based logs for diagnosing bugs. |
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| [16:16:52] | danielk22: | Heh, I found some other thread shutdown races.. but nothing that would explain my crash.. |
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| [17:10:14] | Beirdo: | the crash is on shutdown, or during normal operation? |
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| [17:24:31] | danielk22: | Beirdo: The concerning crash was during normal operation. When hunting for the cause I found & fixed some shutdown crashes. |
| [17:25:27] | Beirdo: | hmm, I haven't seen any during operation for quite some time. That is concerning. |
| [17:25:42] | Beirdo: | shutdown definitely has needed some tweaking though. |
| [17:25:45] | danielk22: | Unfortunately the crash was caused by a thread running after it's QThread object had been dtorred so I got practically nothing in the way of debugging info. |
| [17:26:01] | Beirdo: | so, it must be a thread that stops during normal operation then. |
| [17:26:07] | danielk22: | yup |
| [17:26:19] | Beirdo: | that should narrow it down considerably |
| [17:26:29] | danielk22: | there are still a number of those.. |
| [17:26:40] | Beirdo: | a backtrace doesn't give anything usable? |
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| [19:47:12] | stuartm: | danielk22: have you seen any errors like this "Application asked to unregister timer 0xc00001b which is not registered in this thread. Fix application." << Circumstantial evidence points to preview generation in PBB but although I've been seeing it for a few weeks I haven't spent any time on locating/fixing the cause |
| [19:52:26] | stuartm: | the warning was introduced in 4.7, so I suppose there's a good chance that you haven't seen it |
| [19:53:17] | danielk22: | stuartm: I haven't seen them. But the preview generator doesn't use timers itself. Most likely any time issues would be with tv_play.cpp. It uses a lot of timers and the threading model has been changed since the timer code was written. |
| [19:55:17] | danielk22: | Have you tried running with the QT_FATAL_WARNINGS env variable set to isolate it? |
| [19:56:43] | danielk22: | Beirdo: All I got was the libc double free stacktrace.. but even a real backtrace would probably not have been useful since the stack goes away when you delete a running thread (I did get a Qt warning about that happening.) |
| [19:56:48] | stuartm: | no, but that's what I'll do now |
| [19:59:09] | Beirdo: | danielk22: hmmm. yah. |
| [20:00:01] | Beirdo: | if you put QT_FATAL_WARNINGS, the backtrace is still useless to tell you which thread it is crapping the bed? |
| [20:02:51] | danielk22: | Beirdo: Yeah, Qt doesn't detect the condition right away.. they really should add a QThread::wait() to their QThread dtor there is no case for deleting the QThread while it is still running. |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | what I've done in the past to try to track down which it might be is to insert an assert(0); at the point where I think it might be the problem but I can't backtrace from, and it gives a nice bactrace |
| [20:03:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, agreed, it's retarded that they let that happen |
| [20:04:17] | Beirdo: | I wonder if dtrace would give us the info we need... and whether a usable Linux port even exists yet? |
| [20:05:23] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I guess what they really should do is a if (isRunning()) { qWarning("Thread Still running in dtor!!!!!"); wait(); } Then you could debug it with QT_FATAL_WARNINGS .. |
| [20:05:35] | Beirdo: | that would be ideal |
| [20:05:45] | Beirdo: | you know you can probably make one and override theirs |
| [20:06:24] | danielk22: | MThread() <- with smarts. Yeah, but that's a lot of search & replace :) |
| [20:06:42] | Beirdo: | no, I mean just override QThread::~QThread() |
| [20:06:53] | Beirdo: | kinda like people do with malloc() sometimes |
| [20:07:22] | danielk22: | Malloc has support for that.. are you thinking of some linker trick? |
| [20:07:33] | Beirdo: | I don't know that we'd wanna do that permanently, but it sure could help for debugging |
| [20:07:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's a linking thing, you link your version rather than theirs, essentially |
| [20:08:56] | Beirdo: | if we could get that to work for debugging, it would sure make it simpler to debug |
| [20:09:13] | Beirdo: | OK, that sounded less "duh" in my head :) |
| [20:11:11] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I don't know how to go about that.. but if it's just for debugging I could locally recompile qt with a modified ~QThread ... |
| [20:11:47] | Beirdo: | my first try would be to create a .cpp containing a replacement, and try linking with that .o first in the list |
| [20:12:01] | Beirdo: | not sure if that would work or if gcc would barf though |
| [20:20:45] | Beirdo: | danielk22: seemed to compile at least |
| [20:21:50] | Beirdo: | http://pastebin.com/vQ8bV5Hc |
| [20:22:01] | danielk22: | Beirdo: Presumably it's ld that does the final linking.. |
| [20:22:15] | Beirdo: | called it blah.cpp here, then put blah.cpp at the beginning of the sources list in the .pro |
| [20:22:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, it is. if it can't find it already implemented, it uses external libs |
| [20:23:00] | danielk22: | Ah, so if you link it to the main binary it will use that first? |
| [20:23:09] | Beirdo: | as far as I know, yes |
| [20:23:50] | Beirdo: | that's essentially how valgrind works too. it force loads its versions of malloc/free, and so on before libc |
| [21:04:29] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I believe that is how ElectricFence and friends work, but I believe Valgrind actually runs the program in an interpreter which is why it's so slow and so much more effective. |
| [21:09:38] | Beirdo: | or they replace more or something ;) |
| [21:09:45] | Beirdo: | but yeah, it's a common way to do things |
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| [21:23:05] | danielk22: | Looks like we're also getting shutdown segfaults because CleanupGuard() is declared after QApplication in mythfrontend.. so QApplication is destroyed while MythContext is still relaying events through QCoreApplication::dispatch(). |
| [21:23:44] | Beirdo: | yech |
| [21:24:01] | Beirdo: | well that one shouldn't be too hard to switch around, I guess. |
| [21:24:57] | Beirdo: | although QApplication needs to be up before the logging, not sure about if it's needed before the main context |
| [21:25:01] | danielk22: | Beirdo: nope, but there is a DB Logging interaction... |
| [21:26:04] | Beirdo: | well, I guess it depends on how one gets around things :0 |
| [21:27:50] | danielk22: | Actually, I need to debug this further.. I've got my dtor order backward. |
| [21:30:15] | Beirdo: | heh, nice missing NULL. |
| [21:30:30] | Beirdo: | probably was me. |
| [21:30:53] | Beirdo: | pretty pointless line of code without that = NULL in there :) |
| [21:31:09] | danielk22: | nah, i think it was me.. it's harmless though, the cleanup() is only called once. |
| [21:31:30] | Beirdo: | simple enough mistake to miss |
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| [22:16:26] | stuartm: | paul-h: http://pastebin.com/1rLQpqUQ |
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| [22:19:31] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: well cppcheck, I don't think running it counts for much |
| [22:20:11] | iamlindoro: | Well I didn't run it, so I certainly can't credit myself ;) |
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| [22:28:19] | stuartm: | danielk22: it's the checkAvailability timer in PBHEventHandler::CheckAvailability(), ln 64 specifically |
| [22:29:13] | stuartm: | so I was right about it being PBB-related, just wrong about it being the preview generator |
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| [23:53:59] | danielk22: | stuartm: Hmm, it looks ok on a quick read through.. it looks like it's using Qt events to make sure that the timer is started in the right thread. |
| [23:58:52] | danielk22: | stuartm: I asserts to check that the timer id was always being created and destroyed in the same thread and it was here with Qt 4.6.2... |
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