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| [01:22:11] | danielk22: | Beirdo: heh, did you know mythlogging.h adds 35000+ lines of code to each of the 350+ files it's included in? It's all the headers for the logging classes that don't appear to be used outside of mythlogging.cpp |
| [01:23:07] | wagnerrp: | makes you wonder how much faster myth would compile if we cleaned up the headers and unnecessary includes |
| [01:24:39] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: it's only a few important headers that do most of the damage.. mythcontext.h mythlogging.h through the multiplier effect. |
| [01:25:42] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: That said keeping header includes in headers down is a good thing to do.. all headers are used in multiple places and have some multiplier effect. |
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| [01:52:23] | Beirdo: | hmm, that much? |
| [01:52:53] | Beirdo: | heh, I guess I could spend a touch of time reorganizing it |
| [02:03:32] | danielk22: | stuartm: umm, in the MythCenter-wide Watch Recordings screen I don't see the date of a recording until after I highlight it.. does this have something to do with the recent date/time cleanup? |
| [02:10:05] | danielk22: | Beirdo: if you do, please do a pull first.. i just made a small change that shaves some time off the mythlogging thread shutdown times.. it's not really noticeable with mythfrontend/mythbackend.. but it avoids having the command line programs look hung.. |
| [02:12:18] | danielk22: | (It's not noticeable with those other binaries mostly because they wait forever and a day for mysql shutdown.) |
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| [02:35:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:35:37] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [02:39:19] | Beirdo: | at most that would remove 200ms or so? |
| [02:39:30] | Beirdo: | whatever, as long as it works, I guess |
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| [04:25:21] | MythBuild: | build #602 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/602 blamelist: Robert McNamara <rmcnamara@mythtv.org > |
| [04:26:04] | ** iamlindoro wonders if Beirdo waits for his systems to be building something I committed to turn them off ** | |
| [04:27:41] | wagnerrp: | nah, that one was me |
| [04:27:53] | wagnerrp: | seems i went offline long enough for the build master to boot the slave |
| [04:31:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:31:53] | Beirdo: | the freebsd box is having fun issues |
| [04:32:21] | Beirdo: | although THAT one is not my box |
| [04:32:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:32:47] | Beirdo: | my freebsd box is in a "I don't wanna boot" stage |
| [05:10:46] | wagnerrp: | whats the command to kick the box into doing another build? |
| [05:14:29] | iamlindoro: | MythBuild: build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [05:14:32] | iamlindoro: | something like that? |
| [05:15:22] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [05:15:23] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 25m42s] |
| [05:15:23] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [05:15:29] | iamlindoro: | damn, I was close |
| [05:15:31] | wagnerrp: | you better |
| [05:38:15] | MythBuild: | build #604 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/604 |
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| [07:04:57] | Beirdo: | danielk22: --verbose none as a default level is kinda pointless. That disables all logging |
| [07:10:04] | Beirdo: | and I'm very opposed to the way you reimplemented addLogging(). That's counter to the do-not-repeat-yourself philosophy that we've tried to use in the new commandline parser |
| [07:14:59] | Beirdo: | if you want to override the default from info to err, we can certainly find a better way than that :) That just makes it more of a maintenance chore later. |
| [07:20:03] | Beirdo: | such as... if (!cmdline.toBool("loglevel") cmdline.SetValue("loglevel", "err"); |
| [07:20:16] | Beirdo: | before calling the ConfigureLogging |
| [07:21:37] | Beirdo: | sorry, missed a ) at the end of the if () part |
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| [12:47:20] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I agree on the addLogging(), but I didn't want to extend addLogging() with default overrides until after some discussion. |
| [12:47:51] | danielk22: | Beirdo: But --verbose none is very useful.. it allows you to default to no logging, but turn it on when you need it. |
| [12:48:37] | danielk22: | Beirdo: Just calling cmdline.SetValue() will not change the help message to reflect reality.. |
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| [15:18:56] | danielk22: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/yNG00Mu7 <-- this removes the duplicate code.. but I can't get -v help to print the proper info it always thinks the current programs -v flag is "-v general". |
| [15:19:51] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I think I'm just not understanding how one is supposed to set the default verbosity for a program.. |
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| [19:13:40] | Beirdo: | danielk22: that looks much better, especially if you set the defaults as = "general" and = LOG_INFO |
| [19:13:50] | Beirdo: | such that current code needs no changing |
| [19:14:06] | Beirdo: | as for the parsed flags, let me look into that, I think that's a bug. |
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| [20:48:04] | stuartm: | jpabq: statetypes have a built-in default state unsurprisingly called 'default' |
| [20:48:38] | stuartm: | 'default' is what is shown when no other state is given |
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| [20:53:46] | jpabq: | stuartm,. I can change that to "default" from "normal". |
| [20:56:50] | jpabq: | stuartm, I got "normal" from default-wide's basebuttonlist. It seems to use that instead of "default", and so that is what I have been using. |
| [20:57:37] | stuartm: | jpabq: oh,right, the status statetype |
| [20:58:02] | jpabq: | Do you want me to change that to "default"? |
| [21:01:50] | stuartm: | err, yeah, I guess the best fix in the long term would be to correct all copies of that statetype so that "normal" becomes "default", what a mess :( |
| [21:02:49] | jpabq: | I was really hoping you were going to say no. |
| [21:02:58] | stuartm: | jpabq: I'll do it, it's going to break third party themes but it's preferable to do that than live with an inconsistency |
| [21:03:14] | jpabq: | :) |
| [21:05:32] | stuartm: | jpabq: well I understand why you made that change, but the 'status' statetype was defined in base.xml for default just to make things a little easier, it's not a special statetype in any sense and so I'm not sure it's appropriate to be setting a default value in the widget |
| [21:06:06] | stuartm: | and as I mentioned, we have the 'default' behaviour already which works universally |
| [21:06:37] | stuartm: | jpabq: for now I'd suggest <state name="normal" from="default" /> in your theme |
| [21:07:01] | stuartm: | then define "default", it then won't break when the change is ultimately made |
| [21:07:24] | jpabq: | stuarta, I have no problem with that. |
| [21:07:29] | stuartm: | and it should work without e3e7a7611 |
| [21:07:29] | jpabq: | stuartm, that is |
| [21:07:48] | jpabq: | Would you like me to revert e3e7a7611? |
| [21:08:16] | stuartm: | jpabq: please |
| [21:14:23] | jpabq: | stuartm, I also see FONT state "normal" used in default-wide |
| [21:16:49] | stuartm: | jpabq: I'll look at it, font states work differently |
| [21:18:22] | stuartm: | actually, I half regret implementing font states, they were a carry over from the old ui/xml and although they can be easier if you just want text to change colour according to state, having two different state mechanisms is confusing, ugly and inconsistently applied |
| [21:18:55] | stuartm: | most screens don't bother with font states at all |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: are you going through with the mythwelcome stuff? |
| [21:22:04] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm busy cleaning it up atm and improving the UI, once I'm through with that I'll move it into the frontend |
| [21:22:17] | wagnerrp: | so this will be prior to 0.25? |
| [21:22:45] | wagnerrp: | weve got a couple open mythwelcome tickets... do you just want me to close them 'wontfix' outright? or assign then over to you? |
| [21:22:59] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: as long as 0.25 does get release in the next week or two :) |
| [21:23:18] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: assign them to me, I'll decide whether they are still relevant |
| [21:23:25] | wagnerrp: | will do |
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| [21:26:26] | jpabq: | stuartm, I actually do use font states, just to emphasize the "state" in some places. In each case, the font "state" == status "state". |
| [21:27:01] | iamlindoro: | #8413 is something I rewrote, but it was at a time that the FE/MythWelcome/everything else was segfaulting on exit, which threw MythWelcome off and made it impossible to test |
| [21:27:19] | iamlindoro: | if MythWelcome is actually going to be part of the FE, then there will be no startup delay and it should just be closed wontfix |
| [21:29:15] | wagnerrp: | the segfault one is certainly irrelevant |
| [21:29:22] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: right, that's one of the strong advantages of merging it into the frontend |
| [21:29:38] | wagnerrp: | but it might be worth keeping some form of loading dialog when moving back into full frontend mode |
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| [21:29:41] | stuartm: | no delay when you exit the idle/standby mode |
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| [21:29:54] | wagnerrp: | in the event the backend and/or database needs to be woken up |
| [21:30:18] | wagnerrp: | although... dont we have such a thing already in the frontend? |
| [21:30:24] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: mythwelcome always required the backend/database to be awake |
| [21:31:01] | stuartm: | it pinged the backend constantly and complained loudly if it couldn't be reached |
| [21:31:40] | stuartm: | actually ... that doesn't make much sense does it? |
| [21:31:45] | wagnerrp: | so if you brought a sbe/welcome/fe back online manually |
| [21:31:49] | wagnerrp: | it would choke? |
| [21:32:55] | jpabq: | sphery, is tgm4883 the ubuntu guy? Re: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11019556&postcount=25 my best guess is that EIT is somehow interfering with the sequence of events. I will look the code over, but EIT is almost impossible for me to test. |
| [21:33:16] | stuartm: | why would mythwelcome be invented to let the backend shut down but then complain when it couldn't connect to the backend ... |
| [21:34:04] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: we'll do whatever is necessary I guess when the time comes, a busy dialog is the simplest thing to add |
| [21:34:05] | wagnerrp: | the backend was supposed to be the last thing to shut down, and the first thing to come back up |
| [21:34:30] | wagnerrp: | the problem is on a remote backend |
| [21:34:38] | wagnerrp: | if the remote is brought online manually by the user |
| [21:34:43] | wagnerrp: | rather than using WOL from the master |
| [21:34:46] | sphery: | jpabq: yeah, he is. thanks for looking at it--and I could see EIT being involved. |
| [21:37:35] | sphery: | mythwelcome was mainly for letting the local backend shut down, right--which we've kind of always assumed means the whole host (including mythwelcome) will be shut down |
| [21:37:59] | wagnerrp: | right |
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| [21:49:13] | paul-h: | I've got a really bad feeling that mythwelcome is going to end up completely fucked up for all those that actually use it :( |
| [21:50:42] | stuartm: | if that happens it's only going to be because no-one has really answered my repeated questions about what people actually use mythwelcome for |
| [21:51:52] | kormoc: | I thought it was only to keep a ui up without mythfrontend running? |
| [21:52:33] | wagnerrp: | paul-h: mythwelcome only exists to drop out of the frontend, removing the 'Playback' connection, which allows the backend to shut down |
| [21:52:55] | stuartm: | what few responses I've had so far actually suggest that mythwelcome isn't needed at all, but knowing that some people are pretty attached to it I'm doing my best to maintain all the pointless 'time of next recording' UI etc |
| [21:53:18] | wagnerrp: | if instead the frontend has an idle timer that causes it to switch from 'Playback' to 'Monitor', similarly allowing the backend to shut down |
| [21:53:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont see the difference |
| [21:54:23] | wagnerrp: | now what bothers me is mythshutdown |
| [21:54:33] | wagnerrp: | it seems to do a lot of stuff that i figured would be handled by the backend |
| [21:55:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youre screwing around with mythtranscode/mpeg2fix... you want #9870? |
| [21:57:33] | Beirdo: | SURE, MIGHT AS WELL |
| [21:57:44] | Beirdo: | stupid caps lock, sorry |
| [21:57:52] | wagnerrp: | WHY IS EVERYONE SHOUTING |
| [21:58:13] | kormoc: | WHAT? CAN YOU SPEAK UP? |
| [21:58:17] | Slasher`: | cos im about and i'm deaf |
| [22:01:25] | stuartm: | paul-h: if you have specific concerns I'd like to hear them, but it's got to be more than the "why can't you leave mythwelcome alone" that I've heard up to this point |
| [22:02:56] | stuartm: | I could leave mythwelcome alone, it doesn't bother me in the slightest to implement the required functionality in the frontend and leave mythwelcome untouched in the repo, but it's driving me crazy that no-one in favour of keeping mythwelcome will tell me _why_ |
| [22:11:08] | stuartm: | g'night all |
| [22:11:16] | Beirdo: | night :) |
| [22:19:13] | paul-h: | stuartm: I don't have a problem with you moving it to the FE, I don't agree with it but I can live with it, if you maintain the core functionality then that's fine it's just your comments don't give me much confidence that you understand what mythwelcome does |
| [22:21:32] | paul-h: | There's nothing that can't be done in the FE but a few things need a little consideration like when the system is woken to record something you don't wont the full FE to start otherwise it wont shutdown after the recording and the BE is idle again |
| [22:24:18] | paul-h: | The choice of what the MythWelcome screen shows is obviously a personal thing I don't understand why you object to it showing a list of recordings on there or the list of up coming recordings |
| [22:25:01] | paul-h: | If you want make it themeable so the user can decide |
| [22:27:01] | paul-h: | Not sure if you have seen the wiki page for it www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome |
| [22:28:45] | wagnerrp: | paul-h: the idea is that it doesnt require user intervention to drop into this 'disconnected' mode |
| [22:29:01] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend will automatically do it to itself based off an idle timer |
| [22:29:32] | paul-h: | OK that sound a good idea |
| [22:31:37] | paul-h: | Actually if it was woken up to record something then I'd prefer the full FE didn't start up |
| [22:32:30] | wagnerrp: | no reason why the frontend cant be flagged to start into this limited mode |
| [22:32:43] | wagnerrp: | rather than the full menu |
| [22:39:22] | paul-h: | I still question the logic of someone who has been anti-mythwelcome from the start being the one who dictates how it should work for those that do use it though. It's the "I don't use that feature so no one else should" mentality that's really starting to piss me off |
| [22:41:46] | wagnerrp: | i see the utility of it, i just dont see the utility of it in a separate application |
| [22:45:10] | paul-h: | The main reason is because when I originally wrote it most devs were against it because they don't shut down there BEs so it needed to be added in such a way that didn't impact the FE for those that didn't want to use it |
| [22:47:28] | paul-h: | It shows how attitudes have changed over the years, shutting down a computer just wasn't cool back then, the bigger your uptime the better |
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| [23:55:35] | Beirdo: | danielk22: I have committed what should fix the verbose string looking odd |
| [23:58:57] | danielk22: | heh, that was fast. :) |
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