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Wednesday, March 16th, 2011, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:19] Beirdo: I'll leave the band-aid available for a stepping-off point. If someone comes up with a real fix, etc. it can wither up and die.
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[00:21:16] markk: Beirdo: can you test whether this fixes the opengl init crash -> http://pastebin.com/886iHKJa
[00:23:10] Beirdo: sure
[00:25:51] Beirdo: compiling
[00:27:57] Beirdo: bingo
[00:28:00] Beirdo: that got it
[00:28:28] Beirdo: it cleanly switches to Qt just like mythfrontend did.
[00:29:35] markk: Beirdo: thanks
[00:30:19] Beirdo: thank you :)
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[02:38:46] matt_: Hello, I have a Myth setup on Ubuntu, I am using a HD-PVR with DirecTV, The HD-PVR seems to be configured because I can record video using "cat /dev/video0 > test.ts" the problem I am having is getting the live TV to show up in Myth, When I click on Watch TV, it hangs for a few seconds and drops right back to the main menu.....any help would be greatly appreciated
[02:40:09] tgm4883: matt_, wrong channel, see topic
[02:41:23] matt_: Ohh, sorry
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[06:34:32] markk_: can anyone UK based grab me a sample of DVB radio? (to be clear – audio + MHEG -> NO video)
[06:34:32] markk_: oh – and are there any actual channels out there that are MHEG only?
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[08:10:31] justinh: markk_: you got a sample yet?
[08:11:24] justinh: markk_: and yes there are actual MHEG only channels. I dunno if I have any left in the db but I'll try to get you a snippet of one too
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[08:41:20] justinh: markk_: I have an idea to get you a sample of an MHEG only channel & it should save me the bother of adding the crufty channels back ;-)
[08:41:39] justinh: tzap to the rescue :D
[08:44:58] justinh: markk_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/dvbradiosample.mpg
[08:45:22] justinh: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/dvbradiosample.mpg even
[08:49:22] justinh: ugh been too long since I did this. It's just cat /dev/dvb/adapterX/dvrX > file isn't it?
[08:52:01] justinh: getting 0 byte files trying to cat dvr0 when tzapping a channel I know to be only mheg
[08:53:24] justinh: hmmm. just not getting anything out of it here
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[09:04:09] markk_: justinh: thanks:) do you happen to know the service id for that channel?
[09:04:34] markk_: (that way I can hack the code to give me the mheg)
[09:05:08] justinh: erm.. it was Radio4.. I regularly record that programme :-)
[09:05:26] justinh: 6912 was the serviceid
[09:06:01] justinh: I think, anyway. the recording is a few days old & I rescanned. I don't think the radio channels moved
[09:06:24] justinh: lemme know if you have problems & I can get you a completely fresh file
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[09:07:45] justinh: working on getting you a pure MHEG sample now. tzap just wasn't having it so I've messed with the db to change a channel on the same mux I don't use much to be "Rabbit" – which AFAIK is a dating MHEG
[09:09:12] justinh: oh dear. that's not working either
[09:09:25] justinh: maybe it's just a placeholder for a defunct channel
[09:12:45] markk_: justinh: maybe not broadcasting atm?
[09:13:07] stuarta: stuartm: noted (dvb-s issues)
[09:13:54] justinh: markk_: I can't see it. at least one I thought was mheg only has an audio PID too
[09:14:35] justinh: even the official channel lineup on the freeview website isn't showing half the crufty channels
[09:14:56] markk_: justinh: not to worry. if you manage to find one, I'll be interested but otherwise don't bust a gut
[09:15:48] justinh: hahaha http://skyinteractive.com/sky/our+services/sky+text/default.htm
[09:16:05] justinh: maybe it's gone busted
[09:16:14] justinh: maybe all the crufty ones have gone busted
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[10:14:51] stuartm: justinh: Teletext holidays is still around, no?
[10:16:28] stuartm: nope, it's gone ...
[10:19:49] stuartm: can't see a single mheg only channel in the list, there used to be 5 or 6
[10:22:25] stuartm: justinh: maybe one of the off-air bbc channels
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[10:43:13] stuartm: markk_: 1072 – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/mheg%20only.mpg
[10:44:11] stuartm: that should have an mheg stream showing a static image, current trunk doesn't display it
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[10:46:33] markk_: stuartm: thanks – do you have the service id?
[10:54:11] stuartm: 16832
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[10:58:38] Maccco: i'm translating, but can't understand what in-vision signing is. Can you help me?
[10:59:33] stuarta: sign language
[10:59:46] stuarta: a person stands in the corner and signs what is being said
[11:01:43] Maccco: Aaah! Thanks!
[11:02:14] Maccco: Are there streams with optional PIP with sign language?
[11:02:31] stuarta: it is not optional
[11:02:51] stuarta: the program is shown as a repeat with the addition of in-vision signing
[11:03:12] Maccco: Ok, thanks a lot
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[11:07:46] markk_: stuartm: hard to see how an MHEG only stream would work at the moment – there are no timestamps to work with at all :)
[11:09:37] stuarta: they tend to be stateful applications
[11:09:47] stuarta: that sit and wait for user input
[11:10:16] stuarta: the radio clip stuartm gave you would have a static logo with an updating info about what is on
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[11:11:54] stuartm: justinh's was a radio clip, mine was a "This channel is currently off-air, programming resumes at 6pm" type clip
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[11:47:13] stuartm: paul-h: patch looks good
[11:47:48] stuartm: dunno how I missed that :(
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[12:00:37] justinh: stuartm: so all the stuff a brand new scan picks up are just placeholders for cruft? Pfft
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[12:04:10] justinh: actually maybe the scan output fil I used for my tzapping was out of date
[12:06:34] stuarta: i need to encourage my dev box to pickup ch5 again.
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[12:10:53] justinh: ah so you'll have missed this week's Apple fanboy fest. Smartphone test – iPhone wins (surprise!) !!!
[12:11:18] stuarta: meh, i just like a complete set of channels
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[12:28:37] kenni: stuartm: seems like you closed the wrong ticket; #9589 instead of #9667
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[13:13:52] paul-h: Beirdo: minor niggle :) In the commits mailing list all the master commits have a space in the authors name but the fixes commits are missing the space
[13:18:57] paul-h: stuartm: I've fixed the tickets mix up and also backported it to fixes while I was doing the same with the other patch
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[14:53:59] Maccco: In trac website there isn't any translation maintainer for italian, is it possible to have git access and working to keep it up to date?
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[15:12:10] wagnerrp: Maccco: work up your translations, submit them as a patch, and someone will see that they get reviewed and committed
[15:13:03] Maccco: wagnerrp: i know this is the method. But in the past it didn't worked, maybe there aren't enogh italian reviewers
[15:14:27] wagnerrp: do you have an existing ticket?
[15:15:20] Maccco: no i haven't
[15:15:33] Maccco: anyqay i'm doing a big work (italian is a 35%)
[15:16:08] Maccco: So i simply don't want it too big to be reviewed, i don't know if i'm clear enough
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[15:20:39] Maccco: wagnerrp: look at this http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8437 it's not mine but is opened since 10 month
[15:21:33] Maccco: ops, wrong numeber #)
[15:22:49] paul-h: Maccco: you need to speak to kenni and/or knightr they have been reviewing and committing the translation patches often within days of them being opened
[15:24:32] Maccco: paul-h: thanks i'll do. The ticket 8437 took 2 months but i think it's ok
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[16:12:48] sphery: Maccco: FWIW, kenni and knightr "joined" the project after that ticket was submitted /and/ (about 2 months) after the patch was applied. Since they've been around, translation tickets are handled extremely quickly--faster than pretty much any other tickets. You'll be pleasantly surprised with the new process and how well it works with them involved. (They'd actually been around much longer, but became official reviewers for translation ...
[16:12:54] sphery: ... tickets after that ticket.)
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[16:49:08] Maccco: sphery: thanks to you too. I'm translating a ton of messages
[16:51:49] stuartm: the dividers in the group filter list are an anomaly, I couldn't think of a way to eliminate them at the time but IMHO they didn't really belong as we don't use them anywhere else, suggestions are welcome
[16:52:36] stuartm: apologies for closing the wrong ticket, I had two tickets open in tabs and I referenced the wrong one
[16:52:50] iamlindoro: stuartm: I actually sort of like having them, but it would be nice to have them as a statetype
[16:53:03] iamlindoro: active, inactive, selectedactive, selectedinactive, seperator
[16:53:10] iamlindoro: That way you could make it not appear as a button
[16:53:24] iamlindoro: s/statetype/state in the statetype/
[16:55:10] stuartm: yeah, that's definitely a possibility
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[16:55:40] stuartm: and it makes them themeable with is a definite plus
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[17:05:47] Maccco: "HISTORYFORWARD", QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP("MythControls","Go forward to previous page") ***** Forward to previous page?!? O_o
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[17:16:10] Beirdo: paul-h: I'm confused... can you give me an example? as far as I know, this should not be possible :)
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[17:22:10] paul-h_: Beirdo: [mythtv-commits] mythtv/master commit: 850dcfb0a by Paul Harrison (paul-h)
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[17:23:26] paul-h_: [mythtv-commits] mythtv/fixes/0.24 commit: cf098409c by PaulHarrison (paul-h)
[17:23:51] stuartm: paul-h_: I don't see that here, the fixes commit email has the space
[17:24:04] Beirdo: that's your mail client
[17:24:05] stuartm: [mythtv-commits] mythtv/fixes/0.24 commit: cf098409c by Paul Harrison (paul-h)
[17:24:32] Beirdo: it's a new line in the original message between (Paul \n\tHarrison)
[17:24:45] paul-h_: Could be Thunderbird then. It's trivial so forget it
[17:24:51] Beirdo: looking at the raw message that I received anyways :)
[17:24:52] Beirdo: K :)
[17:25:47] stuarta: it's a bit silly for it to put a newline in the middle of a name
[17:30:02] stuartm: assume that it's meeting line length restrictions for the content headers
[17:35:43] Beirdo: yeah, the perl module that sends the mail does that automatically, I think
[17:36:12] Beirdo: it is kinda silly, though :)
[17:36:36] Beirdo: or maybe it's mailman that does it.
[17:36:46] Beirdo: we see it post-mailman.
[17:38:17] Beirdo: hehe. -users ML post complaining about playback stalling when recordings start/stop
[17:38:55] Beirdo: If anyone needs a guinea pig to test a fix, let me know, my setup does that all the time, and I just haven't gotten inspired yet to determine why
[17:39:10] wagnerrp: for playback or livetv?
[17:39:15] Beirdo: playback
[17:39:22] Beirdo: I almost never do livetv
[17:39:58] stuartm: weird
[17:40:07] Beirdo: right as a recording starts or stops, the preview gen message or something disturbs the frontend long enough to cause stutters
[17:40:23] Beirdo: and it's not lack of CPU (i7 backend, E5400 frontend)
[17:40:50] Beirdo: something's keeping an important thread from running for a moment is my bet
[17:41:03] Beirdo: but with the number of threads we have... ouch.
[17:41:27] stuartm: knowing something about your setup might through up something relevant, e.g. local/remote drives? database on same drive as recordings?
[17:42:12] stuartm: Beirdo: if playback is stalling on receipt of an event then it would have to be a common thread, e.g. the UI thread
[17:42:13] Beirdo: I have 4 recording drives (all local, 1TB), the mysql db is on different drives (shared with system)
[17:42:33] Beirdo: yeah, the UI thread is a likely candidate for disturbance
[17:42:53] danielk22: stuartm: Yeah, I believe that is the reason.. I believe it also happens when we get the periodic key frame updates..
[17:42:56] stuartm: Beirdo: ok that rules out network issues and i/o wait
[17:43:48] Beirdo: agreed. it's on gigE, IIRC too
[17:43:59] Beirdo: so there should be no underlying issues
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[17:44:25] Beirdo: any time I'm home I should be able to test patches :)
[17:44:32] danielk22: Video timing used to have it's own thread so we could take our merry time processing these.. now we need to do it in just a few milliseconds (or hand them off to worker thread (ugh)).
[17:44:45] Beirdo: yeah
[17:44:58] Beirdo: I think that change made the difference perhaps
[17:45:06] wagnerrp: my guess would be the preview generation events
[17:45:20] danielk22: I think it's only a few events causing all the trouble, so it shouldn't be too hard to fix.
[17:45:26] Beirdo: yeah, it does seem to correspond with incoming preview generation reports
[17:45:41] wagnerrp: some of those im getting are extremely large, and have been causing me problems with the bindings
[17:45:54] wagnerrp: the receive times out before the full event is sent
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[17:45:55] danielk22: wagnerrp: could be, those contain up to maybe 200 KB of data..
[17:45:58] wagnerrp: which IIRC is two seconds
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[17:46:06] Beirdo: eek
[17:46:22] danielk22: I also see it with other events.. Prolly other large ones..
[17:46:23] Beirdo: yeah, hogging the UI thread for 2s would definitely cause an issue
[17:47:22] kormoc: I get the same playback stalls on recording start. It's a all local box and the pixmaps are empty when I exit my recording, so they're not starting to generate right away
[17:47:52] danielk22: Even at 200 KB it should not hog the UI thread for 2 seconds.. That may be something else...
[17:48:51] Beirdo: well, I guess we don't have a whole lot of leeway on the timing during playback, so any significant processing delay could be messy
[17:49:06] wagnerrp: danielk22: i mean the event loop in the bindings are only getting partial receipt of the event before they error
[17:49:18] wagnerrp: and ive not gotten around to figuring out the souce of the issie
[17:49:20] wagnerrp: issue
[17:49:52] wagnerrp: the event loop is set to time out after 2 seconds, so my guess is the backend still hasnt transmitted the full thing after that time
[17:50:25] kormoc: wagnerrp, I know with the php bindings, we don't always get the reschedule done event. On a local box, I miss it once every 3 reschedules or so
[17:50:49] kormoc: and we wait 120 seconds
[17:50:51] Beirdo: ahhh, mythproto, you wench. :)
[17:51:29] Beirdo: we definitely have some debugging to do to get rid of such fun.
[17:52:16] wagnerrp: even though its only 200KB, and i can get the bindings to do 20–30MB/s in file transfers
[17:52:20] wagnerrp: it seems to be stalled elsewhere
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[17:53:31] danielk22: wagnerrp: Nagle? There is no way preview event these should that long, even on a 10Mbps network.
[17:54:15] wagnerrp: right, theres no way it /should/ take that long, but im getting partial events non the less
[17:54:51] wagnerrp: and due to other issues, the bindings dont seem capable of recovering from that
[17:55:55] Beirdo: unless it starts sending before calling mythpreviewgen
[17:56:02] Beirdo: which would be... strange
[17:56:38] wagnerrp: no, it should be building the whole stringlist before sending it
[17:56:59] Beirdo: heh, that's what I would expect for sure
[17:57:21] Beirdo: be pretty hard to do the other way
[17:57:29] stuartm: that's exactly what it does
[17:57:39] Beirdo: Good :)
[17:57:53] wagnerrp: the socket code really isnt even set up to handle it the other way
[17:58:10] Beirdo: K
[17:58:22] Beirdo: just thinking out loud and all :)
[17:58:31] stuartm: I have seen readString timeouts from time to time in the frontend, I wonder if that's another manifestation of the issue wagnerrp describes with the bindings
[17:59:33] stuartm: normally while browsing around frontend screens, not during playback
[18:03:34] stuartm: it's surprising the number of bugs we tend to ignore because we've seen them so frequently they become part of the fabric
[18:05:25] Beirdo: yeah. unfortunately
[18:05:52] Beirdo: and they usually are the tricky ones too
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[20:02:41] stuartm: any changes I missed in the last two days which would explain why mythfrontend is now starting on the wrong monitor?
[20:04:32] stuartm: markk_: my current suspect is https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3ad6c81aa
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[20:33:22] abqjp: Last night I updated my system to current trunk/master for the first time in a month. I noticed that playback profiles are not working quite right. If I play a show in the "News" playback group, it does not get the timestretch set correctly. It does seem to be toggling timestretch on, but the actual play back speed stays at 1.0x. If I hit the key to "toggle" timestretch, it just toggles between 1.0x and 1.0x.
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[20:36:28] sphery: abqjp: you mean playback groups, right?
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[20:55:01] abqjp: sphery: yes. Sorry — actually had to work there for a moment ;-)
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[21:51:26] stuarta: sounds like we need to put all the events on a diet
[21:51:47] stuarta: send just a signalling event rather than a whole object
[21:51:56] ** stuarta runs away again **
[21:52:01] Beirdo: hehe
[21:52:10] Beirdo: someone's talking sense. Lynch him!
[21:52:30] ** stuarta used to do realtime systems for a living :) **
[21:52:53] ** Beirdo wishes he still did. More engaging than sysadmin work. **
[21:53:19] Beirdo: embedded systems design is still my passion (firmware and hardware)
[21:53:49] stuarta: think i prefer the admin. i get lost in the details...
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[21:54:05] Beirdo: both have their pros and cons.
[21:54:24] stuarta: right i was heading to my bed. knackered. nn
[21:54:46] Beirdo: heh. night
[21:55:26] stuartm: the events have to carry info about what has changed ... well unless we have the frontend then ask the backend for more information, but that just increases the duration of the event and the traffic
[21:55:54] stuarta: the point is it makes the handling of the bulk data async
[21:56:19] stuarta: you can quickly respond to the event, and let a background thread do the slow stuff
[21:58:48] stuarta: your event handler becomes handle() { setFlag; }
[21:59:06] stuarta: blindly quick to service the event
[21:59:46] ** stuarta attempts bed #3 **
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[22:01:14] Bop: hello , does myth Tv support dvb-t ?
[22:01:21] Bop: ops
[22:01:38] kormoc: Bop, we support the linux tv standard, you'll want to look up specific card support on linuxtv.org
[22:02:09] Bop: kormoc, my card is suported , drivers in stage
[22:02:44] Bop: but its dvb-t
[22:02:49] Bop: not analog signal
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