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Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 00:07 UTC
[00:07:00] Beirdo: immediately after commit
[00:07:06] Beirdo: well, 2min delay
[00:07:24] dblain: cool. Been looking for url to it... happen to have it handy?
[00:07:27] Beirdo: it's still compiling right now, but I expect failure (as it failed when doing it by hand)
[00:07:33] Beirdo: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/waterfall
[00:07:38] dblain: thanks
[00:07:49] Beirdo: no problem :)
[00:07:54] dblain: error related to my commit?
[00:08:17] Beirdo: yeah, it couldn't find one of the headers when doing the plugins build
[00:08:35] dblain: duh! plugins!
[00:08:55] Beirdo: it's likely just something missing in the pro files saying to install it
[00:09:25] dblain: I don't even have that cloned... I'll take care of it. It's just going to take me a little time to setup
[00:09:52] ** dblain goes and checks the pro files really quickly **
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[00:19:51] dblain: I'm a little confused by the libmythtv.pro... it seems to only be adding "plygroup.h" to the list of installed headers
[00:20:46] Beirdo: OK, there's the failure
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[00:21:21] Beirdo: it joined... OK, tell us the bad news.
[00:21:48] Beirdo: ../../../../install/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythrect.h:8:23: error: mythuiexp.h: No such file or directory
[00:21:51] Beirdo: and
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[00:22:05] Beirdo: ../../../../install/include/mythtv/metadata/parentalcontrols.h:7:25: error: mythmetaexp.h: No such file or directory
[00:22:19] Beirdo: that's where it belched
[00:22:23] dblain: yep, they were both missing in the pro file to be installed.
[00:22:29] ** Beirdo pokes MythBuild **
[00:24:41] dblain: I added mythtvexp.h to libmythtv.pro to be installed, even though only 1 other header file is installed (at least the way I read it)
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[00:26:43] Beirdo: that does look awfully short, yeah
[00:27:31] dblain: I just committed the changes. I'll check back in a little bit to see if there were any more issues.
[00:27:56] Beirdo: OK :)
[00:27:59] Beirdo: sounds good
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[00:35:48] MythBuild: build #471 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/471 blamelist: David Blain <dblain@mythtv.org >
[00:37:19] MythBuild: build #517 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/517
[00:38:15] Beirdo: oh, now it is reporting.
[00:38:21] Beirdo: heh. silly buildbot.
[00:38:31] Beirdo: that seemed to have fixed it
[00:52:53] MythBuild: build #472 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/472
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[01:01:31] jpabq-: elmojo, I was wondering if the BBC "fix" could be causing the progress bar problem I am seeing. However, looking a the seektable created for two shows recorded off the same channel back to back indicates that it is not a seektable problem. One of those shows has a correct progress bar, and the other does not.
[01:03:03] jpabq-: I reverted to myth from a week ago to see if that helped. That resulted in the problematic show's progress bar indicating that the show was only 5 minutes long. With current trunk, the progress bar indicates it is an hour long, but never gets past 5 minutes, if that make any sense.
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[01:05:11] jpabq-: elmojo, with the BBC "fix", Myth may be a bit slower at filling the recordedseek table. Could that be a problem?
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[01:19:48] elmojo: jpabq-: no, shouldn't matter at all
[01:20:12] elmojo: the position should be generated by the display timecode
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[01:20:40] elmojo: which is the same value used for AV sync – it's very odd that it would be wrong
[01:23:15] jpabq-: elmojo, I have reverted my backend to a week ago as well. It will take a day or so, but that should tell me if it is a recording problem. Although, I have no idea when the problem actually started — I have not watched much TV over the last week.
[01:23:24] elmojo: jpabq-: could you add a VERBOSE to AVSync in mythplayer.cpp that outputs disp_timecode for each frame?
[01:23:49] jpabq-: on the front end. In other words for playback?
[01:23:52] elmojo: I don't think it could be a recording problem
[01:23:56] elmojo: yes, exactly
[01:24:18] elmojo: play from the beginning then skip forward 10min then 20min and then send me the log
[01:24:28] elmojo: -v playback,timestamp,extra
[01:25:16] jpabq-: Okay. Let me checkout master again, and I will do that.
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[01:44:30] jpabq-: elmojo, I emailed them to you. I did snip out some obvious UI stuff that I figured you wouldn't want to see.
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[01:55:01] jpabq-: elmojo, on the bad recording, jumping forward 10 minutes resulted in it indicating it was at 4:XX. Jumping another 10 minutes and it showed 14:XX, jumping another 10 minutes and it went back to 4:XX. So, it does not get stuck at <5, it can jump around.
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[02:02:34] markk_: elmojo: when you're around, I have some a/v sync breakage that could use your input (i.e. fix it!)
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[02:12:12] elmojo: markk_: please get back in line and wait your turn :)
[02:12:38] elmojo: jpabq-: could you send me ffmpeg -i for the correct and wrong videos?
[02:12:46] elmojo: markk_: something new?
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[02:17:30] jpabq-: elmojo, sent. Interesting that ffmpeg says the bad one is only 5 minutes long.
[02:17:49] jpabq-: maybe it is a recording issue.
[02:18:09] elmojo: jpabq-: or an ffmpeg issue
[02:18:47] jpabq-: seektable, like I said, looks fine. The seektable for those two files is identical, except one is 17 seconds shorter.
[02:20:20] jpabq-: I wonder why it is not a consistent problem?
[02:20:21] elmojo: jpabq-: looks like some timestamp discontinuities in play here
[02:20:44] elmojo: dunno, but the HD-PVR is screwing up the timestamps
[02:21:00] markk_: elmojo: http://rtr.ca/mythvideo_playback_error.avi – start playing and skip forward. It doesn't recover. Looks like we need some more sanity checking around avsync_delay in mythplayer.cpp @ 1844
[02:21:35] elmojo: I bet if you play the bad one back from start to end and watch the video timestamp/timecodes you'll see them jump around at certain points – I haven't seen this once with either one of my HD-PVRs
[02:22:53] elmojo: markk_: that's some of the new smooth sync code
[02:23:02] elmojo: we should just revert it
[02:23:16] elmojo: I don't even know what it's for
[02:24:37] elmojo: jpabq-: which firmware are you running?
[02:24:46] elmojo: 0x15 here
[02:26:47] elmojo: markk_: the old code was -> avsync_delay = (timecode -currentaudiotime) * 1000;//usec
[02:27:21] jpabq-: One has 0x15 the other has 0x12. Since those recording where back to back, it is highly likely that one came from 0x15 and the other from 0x12.
[02:27:42] jpabq-: I will upgrade the 0x12 now, unless you want me to try some test first.
[02:27:43] elmojo: can you figure out which one belonged to which
[02:28:47] elmojo: if the "wrong" one is 0x12 then obviously it's likely a firmware bug they fixed
[02:29:52] jpabq-: Hmmm, Myth does not record that, but if I had to guess it is actually 0x15 that is the wrong one. I will let a couple more shows record, and see if I get another good/bad pair.
[02:30:48] elmojo: jpabq-: one thing I can do is compare the selected frame_rate with the avg_frame_rate – if the same then I can just use the old framesPlayed method
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[02:42:05] jpabq-: Well that is a BUG. Trying to record a show, the channel change command to the directv box failed. Myth (correctly) marked the recording as failed. I told Myth to reactivate the recording and myth declared it was recording the show without even actually trying. Now I can't tell myth to cancel the recording — it is stuck in that bogus state!
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[02:43:32] jpabq-: elmojo, when did you switch from using framesPlayed? I could check that out on my frontend box and see if it behaves differently — while I am waiting for the new show to record.
[02:46:00] elmojo: jpabq-: I'm sure that's the problem
[02:46:50] elmojo: jpabq-: I should have a patch for you shortly to fix the problem
[02:47:22] jpabq-: I don't mind updating the firmware, if that fixes it. Just waiting to get some evidence that that is the difference.
[02:47:54] elmojo: jpabq-: not everyone will want to upgrade :)
[02:49:51] elmojo: markk_: any idea if that clip has issues with 0.24-fixes?
[02:50:40] jpabq-: I don't have 024-fixes running anywhere. Will a 0.24-fixes frontend work with a trunk backend at this point?
[02:51:11] jpabq-: oops, sorry just realized you are not talking to me
[02:51:21] markk_: elmojo: it was reported by someone on fixes. did you backport the smooth sync stuff?
[02:51:53] elmojo: markk_: no and I might not ever backport anything else after the duration/position issues :)
[02:52:09] elmojo: people won't stop complaining :)
[02:53:50] markk_: well you'll be please to hear that that clip doesn't update its position when skipping :)
[02:54:06] elmojo: markk_: tbh – I *HATE* anything avi related – it's totally screwed up and I wouldn't doubt if it's not a mythtv issue
[02:55:13] elmojo: I'm about to abort mission on all this
[02:55:53] elmojo: we need to recruit a VLC dev that knows this stuff better than me :)
[02:58:06] markk_: elmojo: I'm told that clip was fine in 0.23. I can't quite root cause it yet but it looks like something isn't being reset when we seek.
[02:58:31] elmojo: markk_: since the position is base on the video timestamp then it explains the AV sync issue – basically if the position is screwed then the video timestamp is screwed coming out of the demuxer which would cause major AV sync problems
[02:58:48] elmojo: markk_: major ffmpeg differences between 0.23 and 0.24
[02:59:46] sphery: jpabq-: if you still have the backend log file from the time that show was recorded, it will have the information about where it was recorded.
[03:03:18] elmojo: jpabq-: could you please try the patch I just e-mailed you?
[03:06:17] elmojo: nevermind, it won't help
[03:07:28] jpabq-: okay....
[03:08:03] elmojo: I'll just wait to see if you can determine which firmware is associated with the issue
[03:09:07] jpabq-: I am fairly convinced that 0x12 had the problem, and 0x15 is fine, at this point.
[03:09:54] elmojo: jpabq-: I would imagine that Hauppauge doesn't have release notes explaining what's fixed, do they?
[03:09:59] jpabq-: I recorded a show off each box. The 0x15 box recording plays fine. The 0x12 box recording gets to the 5 minute mark and the wraps back to 0.
[03:10:41] elmojo: thanks – at least we now know that 0x12 is buggy
[03:10:54] jpabq-: http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html
[03:11:17] elmojo: that's just plain wrong as most players don't have position maps and utilize video timestamps for position information
[03:11:25] jpabq-: Under the driver tab, the mentions some of the things it is supposed to fix.
[03:13:00] jpabq-: Unless you want me to hold off for some reason, I am going to upgrade the firmware now.
[03:13:11] elmojo: sure, go for it
[03:13:40] elmojo: I wish we could easily tell in mythplayer we were playing back an HD-PVR recording
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[03:15:28] jpabq-: It would be okay with me if you wanted to add a column to some database that tell what input was used to record a show ;-)
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[03:19:46] jpabq-: Damn. Plugging the HD-PVR back into the linux box caused a kernel panic.
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[03:27:47] sphery: jpabq-: Heh, I think I'll add that as a comment or something as part of the recordedfile schema changes--users have asked for the information for quite some time. (Hard part will be deciding exactly what to store.)
[03:29:00] Captain_Murdoch: probably the biggest reason we haven't stored it in the past is because anything we store can change. if the user reorganizes their tuners the stored info isn't valid anymore.
[03:29:32] jpabq-: True, although my tuner's have not changed in two years.
[03:30:03] Captain_Murdoch: ditto, but add a few years. just keep adding more, never delete or reorder. :)
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[03:31:29] Captain_Murdoch: perhaps put it on the user to specify the actual value that is stored by us storing the inputname. if the user reorders tuners, they should keep the same inputname value with a tuner.
[03:32:04] Captain_Murdoch: s/tuner/cardinput/
[03:32:14] jpabq-: Good idea. I already label mine (OTA1, OTA2, ..., DTV1, DTV2)
[03:34:21] Captain_Murdoch: or maybe I mean displayname. I don't use those so I don't remember.
[03:34:31] Captain_Murdoch: think displayname is the right one.
[03:34:42] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: yeah, figured if I store input name (the user-specified input name), it would make the most sense
[03:35:49] jpabq-: There are times when that would really help in diagnosing problems --- like the one that elmojo and I were working on tonight.
[03:35:57] Captain_Murdoch: guess I should fill mine in sometime.
[03:36:44] jpabq-: If you don't fill them in, what is the default?
[03:37:08] sphery: empty string
[03:39:54] Captain_Murdoch: maybe use capturecard.videodevice plus cardinput.inputname if displayname is empty.
[03:40:43] Captain_Murdoch: not much better than cardinputid though, just easier to read.
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[03:57:40] elmojo: markk_: I see the problem
[03:59:23] markk_: reordered_opaque?
[03:59:59] elmojo: dunno exactly – I have an easy work around for avi but I'm seeing if it's more of a general problem or not
[04:00:31] elmojo: markk_: luckily all that garbage that I had to implement will be removed when the next ffmpeg sync occurs
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[04:01:40] markk_: yes – need ffmpeg sync asap
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[04:02:44] markk_: ok – who wants to join me in a sweepstake. How long will Qt take to compile on a beagleboard?
[04:03:38] iamlindoro: 15 hours
[04:04:24] iamlindoro: or roughly (maximum duration of patience + an hour or so)
[04:04:52] markk_: luckily I'm going away for the weekend:)
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[04:08:22] fugdnscerd: has anybody ever used the --listen and --connect options to link two lircd daemons on seperate computers together?
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[04:11:45] sphery: fugdnscerd: /topic (I think you want #mythtv-users , or maybe #lirc or something)
[04:11:52] fugdnscerd: oh ok sorry
[04:11:54] markk_: elmojo: looks like the regular decoder needs the same dts/pts workaround as you have in place for private decoder. Sound about right?
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[04:32:31] jpabq: elmojo, bad news. It is actuall 0x15 that has the problem. 0x12 seems to work. Fortunately, since I had it backwards, I also flashed 0x15 onto the HD-PVR that already had 0x15 on it.
[04:33:32] elmojo: markk_: I just re-did the logic some – much more simple now – I don't know what I was smoking
[04:33:53] elmojo: jpabq: I'll be committing a fix shortly
[04:34:01] markk_: elmojo: cool
[04:34:31] elmojo: jpabq: I'm going to restrict the new position code to MPEG codec video only
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[04:35:36] jpabq: Okay.
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[05:10:20] elmojo: jpabq: I just checked in a fix – could you try the latest master and see if everything is ok now?
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[05:11:11] elmojo: jpabq, jpabq-: I just checked in a fix – could you try the latest master and see if everything is ok now?
[05:11:50] elmojo: markk_: it should be fixed now
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[05:21:16] Beirdo: wow, flappy route there
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[05:29:08] markk_: elmojo: excellent – looks to be working well. thank you very much:)
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[05:32:36] elmojo: markk_: thanks for alerting me :)
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[05:59:29] elmojo: markk_: you going to commit #9120?
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[07:22:51] markk_: elmojo: re #9210 – yes, probably.
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[07:24:45] markk_: Beirdo: did you intend to change the thread 'setup' for the dd loader. previously the thread was created on demand and it is there all of the time
[07:25:44] Beirdo: my understanding from reading the docs is that when you run .start() it creates the thread at that time
[07:26:18] Beirdo: so it should be correct, and it did seem to run identically to before as best I can tell
[07:27:06] Beirdo: if not, it can be tweaked. Assuming we even keep the in-frontend channel editor at all
[07:28:09] markk_: Beirdo: never mind – I'm going to amalgamate that code with the tvbrowserhelper thread and create a general purpose helper thread
[07:28:54] Beirdo: heh, OK
[07:29:23] Beirdo: yeah, I figure some of this is somewhat "busy work" and the threads are likely to be refactored/tossed anyways
[07:30:31] Beirdo: but at least we can get the conversion done, then we can remove whatever deadwood we want anyways
[07:30:43] Beirdo: make sense?
[07:32:21] Beirdo: the tv_rec threads are currently soaking in on my backend. Looking good so far
[07:33:15] markk_: Beirdo: yeah – agreed. I've been meaning to ping everyone about threads generally as well. I'm shocked everytime I see how many threads the frontend now uses – and some of those can definitely be 'recycled'
[07:33:25] Beirdo: definitely
[07:33:33] Beirdo: consolidated, etc
[07:34:25] Beirdo: having lots of threads isn't horrible, but it sure can make debugging tricky
[07:34:52] Beirdo: and leads to the possibility of more and more race conditions, poor locking, and on and on
[07:35:49] Beirdo: gotta say, I'm pretty impressed over-all with the stability and usability of current master
[07:36:39] Beirdo: you and elmojo both have been tweaking things that really do help in making things solid. Good work.
[07:37:14] Beirdo: and others too, of course :)
[07:38:10] markk_: Beirdo: as you may have spotted earlier, I'm just trying to get the frontend up and running on my beagleboard – and hopefully springboard from that onto other mobile/embedded devices. All those threads use a lot of resources – hence my desire to keep them under control.
[07:38:27] Beirdo: yeah. Fun times :)
[07:39:05] Beirdo: we can certainly set stack sizes appropriately too rather than use defaults, but so far we haven't done any of that
[07:40:08] Beirdo: Qt for those embedded systems must be fun to compile
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[13:41:05] dblain: sphery: just an FYI... there is a define QT_VISIBILITY_AVAILABLE that might be useful with your latest change to the mythexp code. (just saw your latest commit and figured I'd share what I found in the QT source)
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[14:50:46] stuartm: some of the defines are missing from the documentation .. I was just looking at the 'deprecated' one as a replacement for our gcc only attribute, but it's not covered in the documentation and therefore I've no idea if we can rely on it being available in future releases
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[16:47:08] stuartm: does anyone know what menu plugins are? The plugin api defines two different types, module and menu but nothing uses the latter
[16:51:32] sphery: stuartm: Can't help with the menu plugin info search, but wanted to mention that the idea for the UI painter change came from wagnerrp and kormoc.
[16:55:13] ** wagnerrp is an idea man and demands recognition for his lack of any real effort towards the change **
[16:57:02] sphery: Heh--well I seriously hadn't ever considered the idea. Oh, btw, I didn't credit you guys in the commit mainly because of the complaints I expected.
[17:06:30] sphery: dblain: QT_VISIBILITY_AVAILABLE sounds interesting, but I can't find any documentation on it. I can't even tell if it's defined when building Qt-based projects or if it's only defined as part of the Qt (framework) build, itself. I guess I can run some test cases later. Thanks for the heads-up.
[17:07:32] dblain: I found it in the qglobal.h Qt source file. If undocumented, probably shouldn't use it.
[17:16:30] sphery: Heh, it may well be documented, but I haven't found its documentation, yet. I see where it's at, now, so thanks for the pointer.
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[23:04:17] dblain: Since when is 'not' allowed in c++? Am I missing something?
[23:04:37] dblain: existing code in mythbackend/upnpcdsvideo.cpp
[23:04:39] dblain: if( not sSubtitle.isEmpty() )
[23:10:29] kormoc: when someone did a #define not ! ?
[23:11:42] ** Beirdo scratches his head **
[23:11:55] Beirdo: what was I smoking that day?
[23:12:19] Beirdo: I think I'd been doing too much perl. that should definitley be a !
[23:12:20] kormoc: Crack is a safe bet in the greater seattle area
[23:12:49] Beirdo: how that worked at all... is another question altogether
[23:14:34] Beirdo: dblain: want me to fix that, or do you want the honors? :)
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[23:17:19] Beirdo: I got it.
[23:19:31] dblain: Beirdo: thanks, my changes aren't ready for commiting.
[23:19:39] Beirdo: heh. OK
[23:19:49] dblain: gcc seemed perfectly happy with it. very odd.
[23:20:04] Beirdo: I have no clue how that compiles. They must have the equivalent of #define not !
[23:20:08] Beirdo: somewhere
[23:21:03] Beirdo: I assume VS went WTF?! on it?
[23:21:11] dblain: Yep :)
[23:22:14] dblain: I need to track it down still, but it seems the sheduler in the backend is still pulling in UI code... it's too bad it hasn't been completely seperated yet.
[23:22:19] Beirdo: cool. That is definitely one advantage to using two totally separate compiler chains. It has lots of disadvantages, no doubt, but additional idiot-checking is a plus.
[23:22:50] ** dblain will be back in a little while **
[23:40:26] Beirdo: seems "not" is defined as a valid alternative representation of ! in C++ (not sure which version)
[23:49:10] Beirdo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdevelop-bugs&m=123565240514682
[23:49:14] Beirdo: but odd. :)

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