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| [00:05:18] | elmojo: | markk_: bummer, started the 2 minute switch test and it failed the first time :( |
| [00:07:50] | markk_: | elmojo: :) |
| [00:08:11] | markk_: | or should that be :( |
| [00:08:16] | markk_: | but it did make me laugh |
| [00:08:18] | elmojo: | markk_: hmmm, that ringbuffer.cpp isn't required on the backend is it? |
| [00:08:30] | markk_: | I think so |
| [00:08:54] | elmojo: | oh, then my test is flawed – for some reason I always get confused about where the ringbuffer calls get made :) |
| [00:09:04] | markk_: | you're not the only one |
| [00:09:07] | elmojo: | I'll update the backend machine and retest |
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| [00:47:54] | sphery: | markk_: is https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/b4bbb4103 likely to affect http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9359 (in development, not 0.24)? I'm pretty sure the problem in #9359 is a locking/player problem, but I have no info for debugging it (nor an ability to repro it). Or maybe that was someone on a version without the "don't do captions in edit mode" patch I think I remember you putting in to both branches... |
| [00:48:12] | sphery: | "that was someone" = the reporter on #9359 |
| [00:50:05] | sphery: | Seems that may have been teletext, only (in [27220]) |
| [00:50:32] | sphery: | I suppose I should have said [27220] with a space before the end paren |
| [00:50:32] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27220: (branch fixes/0.24) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/03d161dd |
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| [01:00:01] | markk_: | sphery: in reverse order:) I think 27220 was later reverted/improved. re 9359 – it's possible that that specific problem is fixed – but who knows:) the reporter needs to run with gdb and interrupt the frontend when it gets locked up (and then post the resulting bt) |
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| [01:02:30] | sphery: | markk_: ok, thanks... I've been ignoring my tickets too long, so trying to at least start to triage them... I'll request more info from the reporter, including testing with current 0.24-fixes (and/or development) and, if it's not fixed, a bt. |
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| [01:48:34] | markk_: | sphery: that was an easy fix:) |
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| [01:51:31] | iamlindoro: | markk_, Which window name is meant to contain a progress bar to indicate progress? If it's the one I was thinking of, I thought it was a busydialog in graphite |
| [01:52:11] | iamlindoro: | ah, videowindow? |
| [01:52:33] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, must not be, that's an imagetype in Graphite |
| [01:53:53] | sphery: | markk_: heh, great--you fixed one of my tickets while I wasn't looking. Thanks. |
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| [01:54:24] | markk_: | iamlindoro: it's the one that contains 'Please wait...' by default |
| [01:54:43] | iamlindoro: | markk_, Hmm, in Graphite that's just an animated imagetype |
| [01:55:16] | iamlindoro: | Unless I'm out of date on my own theme, which I may very well be :) |
| [01:55:21] | markk_: | iamlindoro: ah – my mistake. |
| [01:55:47] | iamlindoro: | markk_, If we support a progressbar I will convert that and Arclight to support it, though-- is there a supported, named progressbar? |
| [01:58:22] | elmojo: | markk_: it still failed :( |
| [01:59:08] | elmojo: | I should note that I applied those changes to a 0.24-fixes but it should be the same as trunk |
| [02:02:49] | iamlindoro: | hmm, yeah, looks like videowindow has no named elements-- if we add a progressbar I'll add them to Graphite and Arclight, though |
| [02:03:57] | markk_: | iamlindoro: still need to hook the update into the videowindow progress bar – not sure how best to do that |
| [02:04:14] | iamlindoro: | gotcha-- you'll also need to create an optional progress bar :) |
| [02:04:34] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I'll keep my eyes on it, have done the theming for Arclight already, just need the name then I'll upload |
| [02:05:01] | iamlindoro: | (but that's not to rush you-- whenever you get to it) |
| [02:07:33] | markk_: | elmojo: I've said it before and I'll say it again:) the root issue is somewhere in the backend. I've just tested some livetv transitions (not channel change) and it's the backend that is failing. no going to try the patch and see |
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| [02:10:04] | elmojo: | markk_: one thing the patch did improve was the smoothness of the transition – before it was very obviously that a program transition occurred – with the patch I can't even tell where it was |
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| [02:19:10] | markk_: | elmojo: I guess these don't help in the backend log: 2011-01–25 09:58:53.718 SignalMonitor: channel change failed |
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| [02:26:03] | iamlindoro: | markk_, That's on a digital tuner? |
| [02:26:19] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, ^^ should that even be possible? |
| [02:28:33] | markk_: | iamlindoro: hdhomerun dvb-t |
| [02:31:25] | iamlindoro: | The Signal Monitor/Channel Change Failure detection stuff was added pre-.24 to help with HD-PVR readiness issues with LiveTV... but I don't understand how it would be possible for a channel change to fail on a digital tuner |
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| [02:34:03] | elmojo: | markk_: you might want to increase you channel change timeout value in mythtv-setup |
| [02:34:15] | elmojo: | for HD-PVR I set it to 20 secs :) |
| [02:34:33] | elmojo: | the default for my ATSC tuners |
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| [02:37:53] | markk_: | elmojo: if that fixes the proble, we're stuffed in so many ways:( there is absolutely no logging that suggests a timeout error – and of course, it's a livetv transition – so it's already on that channel:) |
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| [03:07:04] | elmojo: | markk_: oh, gotcha... I thought you were seeing "real" channel change failures – that is indeed an odd to see such a message :) |
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| [03:08:38] | elmojo: | maybe that message is a clue then |
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| [03:50:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | Chutt, xris, I pinged Aaron via email to get a status update. Last I heard from him late late last year he was going to let me know when the incorporation process was complete. which domain are we talking about? I see .org for 7/23/2011 and .com for 12/5/2011. |
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| [03:51:24] | Chutt: | info |
| [03:51:46] | Chutt: | Captain_Murdoch, .info |
| [03:52:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, kormoc, I'm thinking that we may want to work out some way to serve that file from multiple locations. whether it's dns round-robin or downloading a list of URLs from some mythtv.org site and then fetching one of those URLs at random (or have a round-robin list and we just do a redirect on the server) |
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| [03:53:58] | xris: | too bad we refuse to add a torrent client to mythtv |
| [03:54:06] | xris: | perfect use for the technology, no? |
| [03:56:00] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, if we do it as a script, we can add bandwidth calculation and limits to try to keep it under folks' extra bandwidth too |
| [03:58:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | Chutt, ah, didn't know we had .info and we've had it for a long time. :| |
| [04:00:16] | Chutt: | old site for the wiki |
| [04:00:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | Chutt, if Aaron says it will take a while and you wan to get it out of your hair, one option might be to transfer it to me and have me transfer it to the foundation as part of turning it over to the officers. |
| [04:00:35] | Chutt: | i just wanted them out of my name |
| [04:00:36] | Chutt: | mostly |
| [04:00:37] | Chutt: | heh |
| [04:00:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah. how much is renewal? |
| [04:00:45] | Chutt: | (address + phonenumber) |
| [04:00:51] | Chutt: | i can *pay* for them, that's fine |
| [04:00:54] | ** Captain_Murdoch hides his on his domain. ** | |
| [04:01:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'll post to developers as soon as I get an update from Aaron. |
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| [04:16:48] | elmojo: | markk_: I dug into why it was failing for me and it's because the backend gives up before the file is created |
| [04:17:29] | elmojo: | I didn't see any "channel change" errors being generated |
| [04:23:46] | markk_: | elmojo: well I found something else in the frontend for a livetv transition. if the ringbuffer hits the eof in livetv, it triggers switchtoprogram, which tries to pause everything, but the decoder thread never pauses because it's stuck waiting on data in the guts of ffmpeg (I think). cue 10 second wait for the pause to timeout. not sure if it's the root problem or not – and not sure if running that patch effects behaviour |
| [04:24:48] | elmojo: | markk_: I'm trying a ringbuffer change right now with unlimited retries on accessing the file to see if it survives or not |
| [04:38:03] | elmojo: | markk_: is the channel change error you see *after* is switches for WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [04:38:42] | elmojo: | it looks like it tries to restart LiveTV after a failure and that's when the Signal Monitor comes into play |
| [04:39:19] | elmojo: | I personally don't think we should be trying to restart LiveTV is it errors out |
| [04:40:29] | elmojo: | so my experiment with setting unlimited errors in the ringbuffer failed – so it may still be in the fronted since the backend isn't showing any errors |
| [04:50:48] | elmojo: | markk_: you might be on to something – I'm seeing the file on the backend grow until the frontend gives up totally – I haven't locked at the frontend yet |
| [04:51:20] | elmojo: | if the frontend is getting stuck for 10 or more seconds then it might correlate to what I'm seeing |
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| [04:56:10] | elmojo: | heh, that "Recording Statistics" page is pretty neat |
| [04:57:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the percentage of time spent recording is a bit misleading |
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| [05:09:47] | markk_: | elmojo: try setting line 2882 of mythplayer.cpp to bool obey_eof = eof; |
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| [12:13:14] | Stevezau: | does mythtv support metainfo on upnp? |
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| [12:52:41] | lordbla: | hi |
| [12:53:39] | lordbla: | I'm using mythtv on mythbuntu10.10 with liplianin drivers installed. |
| [12:54:31] | ** wagnerrp points at the topic ** | |
| [12:54:31] | lordbla: | my root-partition is rather small, so i tried to add some dirs in my home-directory to the storage groups livetv and standard. but mythtv won't record to them |
| [12:54:40] | lordbla: | sorry |
| [12:54:49] | lordbla: | see ya ^^ |
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| [13:36:45] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: at some point the buttontree/generictree stuff became a little busted, I'm not sure how/why/when but I'll need some cooperation if I'm going to restore it to the original vision which will also simplify and fix a couple of bugs |
| [13:39:02] | stuartm: | the buttontree was supposed to assume that the root node was never displayed, the first displayed node were the children of the root node but mythvideo and presumably all other users of generictree are inserting an additional 'hidden' node in after the root node and the widget is ignoring the first two nodes instead of just one |
| [13:39:51] | stuartm: | e.g. mythvideo's tree goes – Video Home (root) > Storage Groups (first child) > Foo (first displayed node) |
| [13:40:29] | stuartm: | it should look something like Video Home (root) > Foo (first displayed node) |
| [13:41:21] | stuartm: | the mix of intended behaviour vs actual behaviour is the cause of the double keypress to change depth bug, the widget assumes we're starting one deep in the tree when we're actually two deep |
| [13:56:42] | stuartm: | looking at mythvideo it builds two or more trees ... one is completely ignored by mythuibuttontree |
| [14:23:25] | stuartm: | now I'm _really_ confused |
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| [14:43:29] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: nevermind, I have a fix which won't require changes elsewhere |
| [14:48:41] | markk_: | and I'd always thought that double keypress issue was an issue only I was seeing :) |
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| [15:04:19] | elmojo: | markk_: trying you fix for the decoderEof issue now |
| [15:09:14] | stuartm: | markk_: I don't use the tree view enough to have noticed it and most places it's used don't have a tree that deep anyway |
| [15:09:33] | stuartm: | I'll be committing a series of fixes for that and other issues shortly |
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| [15:37:19] | elmojo: | markk_: it failed with your patch |
| [15:37:44] | elmojo: | maybe my issue is HD-PVR specific |
| [15:39:01] | elmojo: | oops, it might help if I compiled first |
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| [16:08:13] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Sorry, missed all the action, just getting to the computer now |
| [16:11:15] | elmojo: | markk_: still fails with the decoderEof change – I had both of Jiri's patches applied so I'll go back with just your patch and see if it helps |
| [16:12:38] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: np, didn't need to involve you after all |
| [16:13:33] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: OK. I haven't changed much from the way I found tree building in MythVideo, it's always been a bit sketchy-- I think that what I did from scratch in MythNetvision is at least a little cleaner, and hopefully upon rewrite MythGame will be too |
| [16:14:56] | stuartm: | mythgame seemed fine after all, the main issue was with mythvideo and I think that's solved now |
| [16:15:30] | iamlindoro: | OK-- if the "double press" issue is fixed we can close that ticket |
| [16:17:57] | stuartm: | fixed here, additional testing is welcome |
| [16:18:58] | iamlindoro: | I'll test at home to verify and then close |
| [16:19:17] | stuartm: | well it's fixed for mythvideo, I'm preparing a more general fix atm |
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| [17:19:20] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: you've seen the warnings generated for metadatacommon.h? |
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| [17:21:49] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Hmm, no warnings generated here |
| [17:23:17] | stuartm: | http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . nings%20(59) |
| [17:24:17] | iamlindoro: | Is that from gcc-4.4.crazy? ;) |
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| [17:25:22] | iamlindoro: | let's see if this does the trick |
| [17:30:41] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Buildbot seems happier now |
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| [17:33:36] | iamlindoro: | Thanks for noting it, I hadn't seen any warnings to that effect here and hadn't checked the buildbot in a while |
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| [18:20:00] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: that mythvideo commit I made is causing delayed crashes when exiting mythvideo, I missed the fact that we're maintaining multiple pointers to the tree and delaying the deletion |
| [18:21:03] | stuartm: | it's a nightmare, might have to revert that commit and just re-write the tree building in mythvideo so that it doesn't include redundant nodes which serve no purpose |
| [18:27:05] | iamlindoro: | It's been several years so I can't exactly remember-- part of the node redundancy stuff was (I *think*) when we had file scanner problems that produced potentially duplicate items-- since that's resolved it's likely no longer necessary-- but that's a 2–3 year old recollection |
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| [20:45:03] | stuartm: | stuarta: seems like enabling EIT by default unless an xmltvid is specified would be the best approach for zero-configuration |
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| [20:45:24] | stuartm: | and it goes hand-in-hand with what we discussed last week |
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| [20:55:10] | iamlindoro: | I like that |
| [20:55:19] | iamlindoro: | a lot |
| [20:55:46] | iamlindoro: | Seems so obvious when you read it ;) |
| [20:56:35] | Beirdo: | as long as EIT isn't crashy, I don't see any downside there |
| [20:56:46] | Beirdo: | and if it is... it gets fixed :) |
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| [20:59:15] | wagnerrp: | is the default behavior that mythtv will only pull EIT data when already tuned to the channel? |
| [20:59:41] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt want mythtv to start running idle scans for no reason |
| [21:00:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, active EIT is default. Users who don't want EIT can simply disable EIT on the source, though |
| [21:01:48] | wagnerrp: | that would certainly get rid of all the problems where people are using a grabber and EIT data on the same channel |
| [21:12:21] | sphery: | IIRC, I think the defaults are that EIT is enabled on the source and the channels and EIT-capable capture cards, so it's really no big difference for non-EIT users (they'd still just disable EIT on the source) |
| [21:12:58] | sphery: | or it would just do the right thing if they want to mix listings sources on the video source |
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| [21:21:24] | stuartm: | yeah, the latter in particular is a compelling reason to make the change, but the zero-config aspect is also a major plus |
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| [21:24:33] | dekarl: | wrt, to mixing EIT + XMLTV I like the current behaviour where the active EIT scan skips transports that have no channel that wants EIT. Can't that simple be extended into a) "if it has XMLTVID then turn off EIT for that channel", b) if no service on the transports wants EIT, then skip the transport, c) if no tranport wants EIT, then kill the Active Scanner for that Source but check again on the next startup of the frontend? |
| [21:25:00] | dekarl: | if the active EIT scan would not kill idle shutdown, that would be a major plus ;) |
| [21:25:27] | stuartm: | dekarl: this is what we're talking about |
| [21:25:46] | stuartm: | and that's already been set in stone, more or less |
| [21:26:23] | dekarl: | stuartm: ok, I was just wondering what option would be left to have a default (active EIT yes/no can be handled automagically that way) |
| [21:26:38] | stuartm: | I was just noting that we can go one step further and remove the settings which would become redundant |
| [21:27:06] | sphery: | active eit is an option for broken capture cards/drivers, not for MythTV |
| [21:28:14] | stuartm: | yeah, the active EIT setting exists as a workaround for broken drivers – e.g. Nova-T 500 which locks up if both tuners are actively scanning |
| [21:30:33] | dekarl: | Btw, would a list of DVB-T Transponders by geographic position (or a derived value, like country) be of any use for speeding up the channel scan? (e.g. try known used frequencies first) The european frequency allocation agency has it in machine readable format. |
| [21:31:24] | iamlindoro: | Would be of use as the basis for location-profile-based scanning, which is something we've discussed to death but nobody has started on |
| [21:32:25] | iamlindoro: | I'm eager to see it done but don't see any point in starting on it without actually starting work on the whole setup rewrite |
| [21:32:31] | dekarl: | ok, I was playing around with the data lately and wondered what use could be made of them |
| [21:32:39] | stuartm: | iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3zgv9yqU |
| [21:33:23] | iamlindoro: | That error is from the grabber script itself, but TTBOMK shouldn't cause any actual harm? |
| [21:33:34] | stuartm: | dekarl: we were trying to coordinate that with the xmltv folks, and indeed Nick Morrot had started work on it |
| [21:33:51] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: What effect does it have on the update, if any? |
| [21:34:09] | dekarl: | that's true, I'm throwing ideas about mapping xmltv grabber / id <-> dvb triples around my head but have not yet found a nice way... |
| [21:34:09] | dekarl: | Well Nick's grabber is one of the best maintained ones ;) |
| [21:34:37] | stuartm: | dekarl: it's something that needs to be regularly updated and released faster than our cycles, hence it's best done outside of our project on the xmltv style model |
| [21:34:56] | stuartm: | we can then pull in the latest configs at runtime |
| [21:35:56] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: hard to say, the update is still running – it's spat out a few more of those errors but nothing else |
| [21:36:17] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Yeah, I don't *think* it's a problem but RDV_Linux will be the authority about whether it is |
| [21:36:18] | dekarl: | stuartm: indeed, but the update cycle of debian/ubuntu is soo slow that the grabber just pulls additional configuration data from a server regularly, similar to services.mythtv.org for the icons |
| [21:36:26] | stuartm: | I should really have removed those big feeds from the list since the update is blocking when run manually |
| [21:36:48] | stuartm: | dekarl: yup, supplement.xmltv.org |
| [21:36:53] | dekarl: | yup |
| [21:38:12] | stuartm: | we _could_ host it on services, but if possible it's best to make it a cross-application effort ... that said there hasn't been much progress after two years of talking, so ... |
| [21:42:15] | dekarl: | With all the grabbers that don't even support apiconfig it needs someone to invest quite a bit of effort. Guess I'll just head back to writing down the missing API pieces for xmltv to provide to consumers |
| [21:45:45] | clever: | should mythtv/Makefile be in the repo?, i thought it was always generated by configure/qmake |
| [21:45:56] | wagnerrp: | not anymore |
| [21:46:23] | wagnerrp: | configure just writes out a config.mak, which the various makefiles use |
| [21:46:44] | clever: | ah, so that would explain all the complaining git gives when i switch from 23->24 |
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| [21:58:47] | stuartm: | what do developers think to having a locked, developer-only wiki page or similar where we can list small tasks and constructive feedback on features we don't maintain? Ideas that can either be ignored or acted upon by the maintainers without feeling any obligation |
| [22:00:39] | stuartm: | I can't be the only one who sees something that might be improved slightly but which I tend to ignore because I don't have the time to fix or to appear as though I'm nit-picking by continually mentioning it |
| [22:01:32] | stuartm: | danger is that it becomes the developer wish-list, just as ignored and resented as the user wish-list, but I'd prefer to style it as a Q&A process |
| [22:04:37] | stuartm: | RDV_Linux: ! XSLT Error:(list index out of range) Key(Tribute.ca;http://www.tribute.ca/movietrailers/) |
| [22:05:18] | sphery: | as for me, I'm always interested in constructive feedback and wouldn't be opposed |
| [22:14:33] | stuartm: | RDV_Linux: iplayer embedding is broken, I just get a blank white screen |
| [22:16:26] | ** iamlindoro wonders how many more times we can bump the library version today ** | |
| [22:19:50] | iamlindoro: | Anyone know if the media monitor sends events when a new disc is inserted? |
| [22:20:07] | iamlindoro: | ie, something I can intercept in a customEvent handler to refresh disc data? |
| [22:21:20] | stuartm: | iirc, yes, but I can check easily enough |
| [22:21:22] | iamlindoro: | It's suddenly occurring to me that doing anything with Bluray Metadata will be a bit of a non starter if I can't detect when the disc has changed/been removed/etc. |
| [22:22:24] | iamlindoro: | thanks, any info would be appreciated- I'm looking at the mediamonitor-* code but not seeing anything hopeful |
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| [22:27:52] | stuartm: | MediaMonitor::mediaStatusChanged() sends a MediaEvent giving device object and status change (old + new status) |
| [22:29:49] | stuartm: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . iaEvent.html http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . aDevice.html http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . Monitor.html |
| [22:30:14] | iamlindoro: | Cool, thanks a lot |
| [22:33:12] | stuartm: | hmm, it seems unfinished, MediaEvents are sent to the main window but they are ignored there |
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| [22:33:59] | stuartm: | seems like the intent was to pass them down the chain from the mainwindow like we do for keypresses and mouse gestures |
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| [22:34:13] | iamlindoro: | blahhhh |
| [22:34:41] | stuartm: | there is no code there to do that but it wouldn't take much to add it |
| [22:35:04] | stuartm: | if you want I'll look at it? |
| [22:35:35] | iamlindoro: | You don't need to make it a priority but if you wouldn't mind putting on the list it'd be appreciated-- I'd look but don't know where to begin |
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| [22:36:23] | iamlindoro: | For testing purposes I can just open the disc on entry into the window but long term it needs to adapt to the disc being inserted/removed |
| [22:36:37] | stuartm: | _if_ the media monitor is already working and sending events, then adding the handlers where they are needed would be pretty simple |
| [22:37:15] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: if you have the media monitor enabled then try running with -v media, see what it says when you insert/remove the disc |
| [22:37:33] | iamlindoro: | Will test when I get home |
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| [23:30:50] | xris: | dblain: what country are you in? |
| [23:31:05] | xris: | looks like US... |
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