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Monday, November 29th, 2010, 00:07 UTC
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[04:18:14] castlec1: anyone available to help me with compilation of the hello world plugin? http://pastebin.ca/2005271
[04:20:07] iamlindoro: castlec1, You asked in the right channel before
[04:20:43] castlec1: sorry. i'm just looking for help so i can start contributing.
[04:21:11] iamlindoro: already answered in users
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[07:08:40] jya: finally fixed #9282.. 600 lines patch :(
[07:10:37] jya: turned out the AC3 encoder can't work with more than 128kB of data, the upmixer can't deal with > 8192 bytes, the resampler same... and here we have ffmpeg returning > 100kB of samples in one go... when usually it's like 80–200 bytes
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[07:35:44] markk_: iamlindoro: sorry – been out and about enjoying some tropical downpours. give me another ping when it's a good time.
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[08:03:15] Diverdude: Does anybody know if this guy: http://www.cetoncorp.com/products.php May be used in a linux machine somehow?
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[08:14:44] kenni: Diverdude: try #mythtv-users
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[09:01:43] jya: Has something be changed recently with AFD? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Xzwesd19
[09:02:02] jya: there's a few file that I can't open anymore, but plays okay with my local 0.24-fixes build
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[12:30:48] simonckenyon: i can not see the timeline in trac. is this a known problem?
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[12:34:13] stuartm: working here
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[12:49:49] simonckenyon: my bad – there was rubbish (my name) in the "done by" field for some reason – sorry for the noise
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[17:19:19] gigem: is anyone else having problems with svn+ssh. cvs.mythtv.org. is closing the connection on me about 80% of the time.
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[17:26:33] jams: probably related to the ssh worm attack against osuosl network.
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[17:31:55] gigem: jams: i hadn't heard about that. that would explain it. tnaks.
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[20:10:22] stuartm: jya: I'm seeing quite a bit "AO, ERROR: Error occurred while resampling audio: Input and output data arrays overlap." with 27365 playing mp3s in mythmusic – stereo analogue output
[20:11:32] stuartm: it's resampling from 44.1 to 48kHz, medium quality
[20:12:29] stuartm: not forcing resampling, must be determining that 48kHz is required for that device
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[21:49:22] jya: stuartm: is this something you were seeing before?
[21:50:16] stuartm: no, brand new
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[22:16:53] poiuytrewq: quick question – does anyone know the answer? I'm building a plugin and I'd like to change the text of an element in the xml theme, but it's nested within another element. How do I access the 'second level' down?
[22:19:05] poiuytrewq: hello, anyone here?
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[22:20:23] iamlindoro: It would help to have the question in context, as the question doesn't make much... and he's gone
[22:23:10] kenni: it sounded like he was using some GUI XML-editor, which didn't behave as he wanted it to
[22:34:46] jya: stuartm: ok, will look into it.. can't see how it's happening but ... i've seen weirder thing
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[23:00:57] stuartm: the AC3 volume levels with ffmpeg have been a long standing problem, people have been complaining about it for years and since I've been receiving BBC HD I've been affected, there is a significant difference between the SD (mpeg2) and HD (ac3) channels which should be normalised around the same point
[23:02:12] jya: stuartm: are you using stereo setup or 5.1 ?
[23:02:21] stuartm: stereo
[23:02:29] jya: wondering if the issue is only to do with downmixing, or all setup
[23:02:40] jya: ok.. that makes sense.
[23:02:42] stuartm: jya: I'm refering to myth/ffmpeg downmixing thread
[23:02:50] jya: yeah..
[23:03:23] jya: is there a way to detect at run time if the machine has a floatting point co-processor ?
[23:03:33] stuartm: of course there's an even bigger difference when switching between recordings/video and mp3s because most music these days is recorded at insane volume and the only way to deal with that is to allow a configurable offset for the music volume
[23:04:53] jya: there is a ticket to support replaygain
[23:04:58] jya: this would solve the problem
[23:05:19] jya: but until it's implemented everywhere, I didn't see the need to bother with having the framework doing so
[23:05:37] jya: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4804
[23:06:22] jya: because it's up to the playback application to handle it properly;
[23:07:10] jya: now that we have a floating point engine, implementing replaygain is going to be much easier than what's done in this patch
[23:07:34] stuartm: yeah, I'm not a big fan of software _amplification_, it's usually pretty nasty
[23:07:37] jya: janneg: how could I test if the current CPU has hardware FPU ?
[23:08:08] jya: if done well, I don't see how different it would be that what most pre-amp would do these days
[23:08:09] high-rez: Lookin /proc/cpuinfo ? :)
[23:08:23] jya: high-rez, that's linux only
[23:08:38] jya: we do have mac, windows, bsd to cater for
[23:08:51] high-rez: Oh, sorry, forgot people use lesser^H^H^H^H^H^Hother OS's :D
[23:08:55] stuartm: considering the volume on my speakers (amp) never goes above 50% I've never seen the need for software amplification, reduction to handle variations in input sure
[23:09:17] jya: replaingain, is mostly about reduction.. more so than amplification
[23:09:33] jya: you could always align on the least loud
[23:09:35] sphery: jya: Maybe even compile-time decision based on hardware/arch? Or would that be too broad a scope?
[23:09:39] jya: rather than the loudest
[23:10:04] stuartm: jya: pretty much any linux app I've tried the software amp results in pretty bad distortion at nowhere near the highest levels
[23:10:07] jya: sphery: well, with package like ubuntu, it's for all architecture
[23:10:44] jya: stuartm: i can steal some great algorithm from work like I did for the vuvuzela :)
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[23:11:14] jya: you should see the latest audio filter we have for call center.. amazing what it can do
[23:11:35] jya: the caller could be next to a chainsaw, and you would hear him clearly
[23:12:48] jya: sphery: what about I check for SSE only, that would cover 90% of the people... and if SSE3 is available, the float conversion is extremely fast
[23:13:06] stuartm: and as I say, I've yet to see hardware which is incapable of significant volume, even with unpowered speakers my laptops/PCs can be pretty loud, I never need the master mixer/PCM volumes at 100% etc
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[23:13:38] stuartm: jya: not saying that some people won't benefit from software amplification, just that I personally don't have any affection for it :)
[23:13:53] jya: stuartm: i usually have the master at 100%, and I setup each applications instead
[23:14:47] jya: stuartm: the issue here isn't so much about having software amplification, more so to level the audio to be at similar volume everywhere...
[23:15:03] jya: damn annoying what they do with the ads and sound compression these days
[23:15:12] jya: you have to rush to the volume button all the time
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[23:15:38] stuartm: jya: hence why I'm in favour of a reduction solution
[23:15:57] jya: so am I, but software amplification is required to do it...
[23:17:32] stuartm: jya: the algo might be the same, the implementation just doesn't have to allow increasing the volume above the input level is all that I'm saying :) At least that's what I'd prefer to see, I'm not trying to enforce that atm
[23:17:59] jya: ok...
[23:18:16] jya: don't worry, I'll add 5 "advanced audio settings" to do just what you want :)
[23:18:34] stuartm: just expressing opinion, not policy :)
[23:20:58] stuartm: sometimes IRC can be a hinderance to communication ;)
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[23:25:51] jya: don't worry, audio quality is paramount to me.. i have similar opinion to yours on the matter
[23:26:14] jya: maybe we could have audio profiles like we do with video playback
[23:26:50] jya: select "audiophile" profile, then no or very little processing is done, anything affecting audio quality is banned
[23:27:33] jya: convenience profile: more for day to day use like watching TV and live content , level the audio
[23:28:18] jya: "i'm too cheap/stubborn to upgrade" profile .. for people with low-end processing capabilities
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[23:43:34] jya: stuartm: could you post that MP3 somewhere?
[23:43:44] jya: I have a machine here that only support 48kHz too
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