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| [00:20:06] | justinh: | ponder. has freeview broken channel numbering in more than just mythtv? |
| [00:35:20] | justinh: | nope. |
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| [01:43:18] | Hydr0p0nX: | justinh: out of curiosity, have you filed a bug report or submitted to the forums and/or mailing list? |
| [01:46:26] | justinh: | I've just posted to the users ML |
| [01:47:05] | justinh: | might very well need to submit a dump of dvb stream for this |
| [01:48:43] | justinh: | I managed to get the one channel I wanted back – I just restored the channel & dtv_multiplex table which was previously working, then updated the channel which had dropped out (there were more but only one my kids care about) with the new mplexid |
| [01:49:07] | justinh: | kludgy- horrible infact but it works ok now |
| [01:50:13] | justinh: | I know the complications imposed on mythtv by the way freeview 'works' – channels change numbers (LCN) and muxes far too often & the poor user has to interpret it all somehow if they don't want to delete all the channels & start anew |
| [01:50:15] | Hydr0p0nX: | I'm not affected by such scanning issues |
| [01:51:11] | justinh: | I've never quite understood the messages about "found X amount of off-air channels" etc |
| [01:51:53] | justinh: | it doesn't help that where I live now my aerial can pick up other muxes juuust in range enough to get data from but not quite working video |
| [01:53:05] | justinh: | I also don't know why the scan seems so slow compared to other programs. One thing I'd never tried before was unticking the 'unencrypted only' box – AFAIK none are encrypted these days & it speeded up the scan quite a lot |
| [01:53:53] | justinh: | I've often said this, but if there was a streaming solution we could use to get all our shows in one app I'd already be using it |
| [01:54:16] | Hydr0p0nX: | there is some support for that in myth |
| [01:54:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | but i haven't been able to make it work right yet |
| [01:54:24] | justinh: | but no. in the UK you need an app for BBC, an app for ITV, an app for channel 4... |
| [01:54:59] | justinh: | we have a 'youview' box but it sucks like no other box I've ever seen |
| [01:58:09] | justinh: | Hydr0p0nX: would it be able to aggregate disparate sources? The Uk comms quango should force the broadcasters to use a common system |
| [01:58:23] | justinh: | one app to rule em all |
| [01:58:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | it relies on m3u files |
| [01:59:10] | justinh: | prolly won't work with UK TV streams then. except maybe iplayer, which will be closing its doors to anything open source pretty soon – for good |
| [01:59:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | if you can build it properly it *should* "just work", I don't think I've figured out the formatting yet |
| [02:00:05] | justinh: | I don't even think you can get all UK TV (even just free TV) on netflix or whatever |
| [02:00:39] | justinh: | the broadcasters are still clinging onto their quaint notion of 'channels' lol |
| [02:01:10] | justinh: | linear TV is dying out faster than they'd wish |
| [02:01:40] | justinh: | and yeah there are services like Sky Q or whatever but I'm damned if I'm paying for content that's already free! |
| [02:05:22] | justinh: | there's also the (cough!) boxes based on a certain open source project's program but using one of those feels like scanning for channels every time you use it. Awful. |
| [02:06:02] | justinh: | wait! I just need to update the repo... hang on! Rinse & repeat.. when all you wanna do is kick back & watch something. No |
| [02:07:00] | justinh: | I'm finicky. I want 'free to watch' to also mean simple & just keeps working. not relying on hooky feeds & hacks |
| [02:13:45] | justinh: | anyway I'll leave the question open to the ML & see what comes out. Hopefully a fix of some sort :) |
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| [12:15:03] | Vollstrecker_: | Hi, a short question about series naming or episode numbering sheme. I have 2 episodes that aired as one. I don't want to just glue them together, as they have been shortened and the aired as one. tvdb lists them as one. What would be the right naming to get the metadata? |
| [12:16:08] | Vollstrecker_: | More precise: http://thetvdb.com/?tab=season&seriesid=3 . . . 9&lid=14 Episode 8. |
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| [12:42:39] | justinh: | well now I'm a little further forward. last night's scanning attempts were giving me serviceIDs substituted into channel numbers instead of LCNs |
| [12:42:56] | justinh: | stuarta: boo! Any clues? |
| [12:49:36] | justinh: | exit |
| [12:49:44] | justinh: | hahaha.. need to switch terminals |
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| [12:51:20] | ** stuarta waves to justinh ** | |
| [12:53:57] | justinh_: | afternoon :) How's stuff? |
| [12:54:04] | stuarta: | busy |
| [12:54:12] | stuarta: | v. v. v. busy |
| [12:54:25] | justinh_: | hahaha me too. been busy trying to blow stuff up this morning |
| [12:54:45] | justinh_: | yes actually blow things up. it's for a thing for a customer |
| [12:55:10] | justinh_: | this scanning problem has me all in a spin I have to admit. I frickin hate scanning |
| [12:55:52] | stuarta: | it's, erm.. challenging.... |
| [12:56:47] | justinh_: | I know. I'm not gonna whine about the hoops mythtv is forced to impose on users – cos it's mostly freeview's fault |
| [12:57:02] | stuarta: | freeview is pretty well behaved |
| [12:57:12] | justinh_: | except when they'r not |
| [12:57:25] | justinh_: | ooh let's just have a shuffle |
| [12:57:33] | justinh_: | new channels! Yay :-/ |
| [12:58:04] | justinh_: | yeah I mean I've not had to rescan pretty much since I moved house |
| [12:58:28] | justinh_: | even then I dunno if I actually rescanned or just put new numbers into the dtv_multiplex table |
| [12:58:37] | justinh_: | ahem |
| [12:59:06] | stuarta: | truncate channel; truncate eit_cache; truncate program. perform full rescan |
| [12:59:10] | stuarta: | works every time |
| [12:59:58] | justinh_: | eit_cache & program could be the diddling factor then? |
| [13:00:31] | justinh_: | I kinda see why the scanner would be checking those – to see if the channel was already known |
| [13:00:42] | justinh_: | sort of logical I guess |
| [13:01:06] | stuarta: | eit_cache and program are only for repopulating the guide data from eit afterwards |
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| [13:01:18] | stuarta: | ie. start clean, assume nothing |
| [13:01:40] | justinh_: | I tried truncating channel before a rescan |
| [13:01:44] | stuarta: | whilst removing all the channels removes the need to the scanner to work out if the channel existed before |
| [13:01:54] | justinh_: | same result. I got serviceids for channums |
| [13:02:13] | stuarta: | ah, i bet you have moved to multipart SDT's. |
| [13:02:26] | stuarta: | that's happened on freesat with the Ch5HD mux |
| [13:02:31] | justinh_: | which aren't supported yet? |
| [13:02:35] | stuarta: | and that is broken |
| [13:02:43] | justinh_: | pontop pike are usually the dvb-t trailblazers |
| [13:02:48] | justinh_: | and that's my Tx |
| [13:02:52] | stuarta: | doh |
| [13:03:27] | justinh_: | ironically I think it was the last analogue tx to be switched off IIRC |
| [13:03:36] | stuarta: | if you run with --verbose chanscan,channel,siparser,record then when you look at the SDT outputs it'll have something like section_number(0) last_section(1) which is a multipart one |
| [13:03:53] | stuarta: | if last_section=0 it's a single part one |
| [13:04:09] | justinh_: | hmm can't easily do that from here |
| [13:04:38] | stuarta: | then tune to one of those channels (ie. using a recording) and dvbsnoop for the sdt |
| [13:04:41] | justinh_: | what hex is the SDT? I can do a dvbsnoop |
| [13:04:55] | stuarta: | think it's 0x11, lemme check |
| [13:06:08] | justinh_: | it is :) cheers |
| [13:06:51] | stuarta: | yep. "dvbsnoop -n 10 -nph 0x11" and pastebin! |
| [13:08:59] | justinh_: | tuner0 is tuned to the local (crap low powered) mux |
| [13:12:13] | justinh_: | I'll bet that one is OK |
| [13:12:24] | justinh_: | just doing a BBC snatch now |
| [13:14:39] | justinh_: | BBC mux snoop: https://www.dropbox.com/s/to5j2cyp8qa66tp/snoop1.txt?dl=0 |
| [13:15:01] | justinh_: | local mux snoop: |
| [13:15:03] | justinh_: | grrr |
| [13:15:11] | justinh_: | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qh3hljf5u68k0oh/snoop.txt?dl=0 |
| [13:16:25] | justinh_: | eew |
| [13:16:48] | justinh_: | there's last_section_numbr: 1 but there's no section_number: 1 |
| [13:17:08] | justinh_: | ahhh that means... |
| [13:17:18] | stuarta: | it's just not in the snippet you captured |
| [13:17:32] | justinh_: | so multipart SDTs yay :-/ |
| [13:17:33] | justinh_: | lol |
| [13:18:02] | justinh_: | and lemme guess why we even need multipart SDTs.. cos there's too many channels to get away with single part SDTs |
| [13:18:24] | stuarta: | correct |
| [13:18:39] | stuarta: | on the bright side, i don't see any channels worth watching on that mux |
| [13:18:58] | justinh_: | kids love tinypop |
| [13:19:06] | stuarta: | ah |
| [13:19:36] | justinh_: | so I guess there's 'top men' working on this lol |
| [13:19:59] | justinh_: | at least I know I wasn't going mad & my installation isn't (that) broken now :) |
| [13:20:48] | justinh_: | pretty sure VLC comes up with LCNs ok. what are they doing I wonder |
| [13:20:54] | stuarta: | there is ongoing work to fix eitdata and the table handling at the same time, but it's going to be at least another week before i can look at it, and then it'll get committed to master |
| [13:21:06] | justinh_: | fair dues |
| [13:21:18] | stuarta: | to say it's non trivial is an understatement |
| [13:21:22] | justinh_: | I'm only the guy who looks after the telly stuff I don't even watch it anymore |
| [13:22:16] | justinh_: | funny thing is I have a strange feeling of deja vu about this |
| [13:22:48] | stuarta: | i wish there was a nice simple one liner i could put in to fix the sdt issue |
| [13:23:00] | stuarta: | probably is, i just haven't looked for it |
| [13:24:16] | justinh_: | maybe. like I said I know myth isn't broken as such now :) |
| [13:24:33] | ** justinh_ shakes his fist at OFCOM et al ** | |
| [13:25:08] | justinh_: | wouldn't care there's bog all actual new channels really – just placeholders for crappy IPTV streams |
| [13:25:24] | stuarta: | which we don't record properly btw |
| [13:25:45] | stuarta: | did record one, did a playback, and ended up watching what was currently being broadcast |
| [13:26:17] | justinh_: | I couldn't possibly care less about those |
| [13:26:18] | stuarta: | ie, it's recorded the mheg metadata which triggers iptv, but doesn't evolve into an iptv recording |
| [13:26:29] | stuarta: | i did when it showed motor racing from back home |
| [13:26:34] | stuarta: | but they killed it off |
| [13:26:36] | justinh_: | ah |
| [13:26:40] | stuarta: | so now i don't care either |
| [13:27:02] | justinh_: | I'd be happy streaming everything but there's no 'all under on roof' app that does it all for free |
| [13:27:35] | justinh_: | want BBC? you need iplayer |
| [13:27:40] | justinh_: | want ITV? ITVthingy |
| [13:28:03] | justinh_: | there's our youview box but even that isn't programme centric |
| [13:30:22] | justinh_: | out of curiosity where does th LCN come from then? |
| [13:30:45] | ** stuarta checks some logs ** | |
| [13:31:03] | justinh_: | ah it's in the NIT |
| [13:31:23] | stuarta: | NIT |
| [13:32:23] | justinh_: | so service descriptor trumps network information table? heh |
| [13:32:37] | justinh_: | I guess the freeview NITs lie |
| [13:33:39] | stuarta: | so that's interesting, looking at my freeview channel scan's from before, i've got multipart SDT's and it's handled it just fine |
| [13:33:59] | justinh_: | apparently it's in the NIT field 0x83 |
| [13:34:31] | justinh_: | but in my snoop of an NIT that field is 104 bytes long |
| [13:35:16] | justinh_: | or 140 bytes long. PSML |
| [13:35:28] | stuarta: | yet, the same thing from freesat isn't working |
| [13:35:39] | justinh_: | or 72 bytes long. WTH |
| [13:36:10] | justinh_: | oh! I think I know what this is then |
| [13:36:38] | stuarta: | ? |
| [13:37:00] | justinh_: | is NIT 0x83 actually a list of numbers for a mux then I wonder? hmmm |
| [13:37:20] | stuarta: | that in one of your dvbsnoop's ? |
| [13:37:25] | justinh_: | yeah |
| [13:37:32] | justinh_: | one I just did |
| [13:37:34] | justinh_: | sec... |
| [13:38:11] | stuarta: | bah, the section details are omitted on fixes/0.28 |
| [13:38:26] | justinh_: | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fwtbhaoyeys3z3e/nit.txt?dl=0 |
| [13:38:43] | stuarta: | what am i looking for? |
| [13:38:45] | justinh_: | it used to be so simple all thi |
| [13:39:06] | justinh_: | descriptor tag 0x38 apparently |
| [13:40:29] | justinh_: | anyway I gotta run. I'll drop back in later probably. thanks muchly for confirming I'm not actually mad (for mythtv reasons anyway lol) |
| [13:40:38] | stuarta: | :-p |
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| [18:51:51] | justinh: | hmm not so sure split SDT is the scanning issue |
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| [19:25:36] | justinh: | oo forgot I had a spare tuner |
| [19:25:52] | justinh: | scan picks out the LCNs okay. |
| [19:35:32] | justinh: | gonna try scanning again later after wiping out some tables |
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| [19:40:53] | SteveGoodey: | Like a dog with a bone. :-) |
| [19:41:28] | justinh: | wanna bottom this thing out :) |
| [19:41:51] | justinh: | right now it's kludged – as far as I know most channels work but I've not tested them all |
| [19:43:07] | justinh: | even looked in the scanning code – looks like if the LCN isn't found it returns the serviceid instead. be just my luck for it to have been a one night only problem lol |
| [19:56:14] | justinh: | there's still so much in mythtv I never got round to improving. wish I'd stuck at my GUI rotation stuff. would still love to see analogue style indicators |
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