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Saturday, January 14th, 2017, 00:04 UTC

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Kwisher:

sullivan: install mythbuntu-control-centre, makes it pretty simple

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Kwisher:

sullivan: in term do: sudo systemctl status mysql > will let you know if db is running

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sullivan:

kwisher, thanks for that; some other work with another person has helped immensely. Still working through configuration, but much progress. Thanks

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Kwisher:

np

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sullivan:

I'm having issues getting the backend to run

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sullivan:

Does anyone by chance have some experience configuring Myth with HDHomerun Prime?

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Kwisher:

sullivan: should showup when you add tuners

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sullivan:

Everything's detected fine, the issue's with getting some semblance of channels/guide data; the tuner itself is able to see channel numbers and station ID's, just don't know how they translate to the software

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Kwisher:

USA ?

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sullivan:

Yes

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Kwisher:

got a schedules direct account?

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sullivan:

Nope

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Kwisher:

you'll need one

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sullivan:

Money is an object :P

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Kwisher:

$25/year, well worth it

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Kwisher:

you won't get any guide data

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sullivan:

Are you familiar with Kodi? How do they get their guide data?

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Kwisher:

i don't use kodi so not sure

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sullivan:

Hrm. Well regardless I appreciate the help

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Kwisher:

if you are going to use kodi for your frontend then myth guide data may not be needed???

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Kwisher:

can kodi be used to schedule recordings?

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Kwisher:

.ask

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Kwisher:

is there a channel bot here?

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mengoshmink:

I think I remember using an addon once for XBMC (pre Kodi name) to view/schedule recordings on my MythTV backend, I don't think I actually tried to make it work, I was never a fan of Kodi / XBMC

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dekarl:

Kwisher: try the kodi-pvr-mythtv plugin? if you are on v17 already you can just enable it in the pvr settings and thats it. if not try http://kodi.wiki/view/Add-on:MythTV_PVR_Client

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dekarl:

sullivan: Kodi does not get its own guide data at all. it just shows what your PVR has on file via a pvr addon

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dekarl:

if you use your hdhr with kodi, then kodi displays the guide data that you get from the hdhr upstream web service at silicon dust

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Kwisher:

dekarl: can mythtv do the same, just curious since sullivan was asking, i use SD

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mengoshmink:

you about Kwisher?

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Kwisher:

yes

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Kwisher:

mengoshmink: ping

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mengoshmink:

Thanks for the link, that was the link I was looking for

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mengoshmink:

also wondering, is there anything else you recommend I should do before / after updating?

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Kwisher:

use the mythbuntu ppa?

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mengoshmink:

running centos BE, done a update, run backup script, copied backup to a FE for a backup

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Kwisher:

nm

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mengoshmink:

I never really got on with Debian / Ubuntu

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Kwisher:

i always make a disk clone before a major update

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mengoshmink:

before a major update of MythTV?

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Kwisher:

but not for a myth upgrade

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mengoshmink:

ah

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Kwisher:

never hurts to be safe

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mengoshmink:

I want to change my setup so doing system backups is easier but that is a long term project

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mengoshmink:

anything else? I'm hoping worst case I can just "undo" any update

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mengoshmink:

update > backup MythTV BE database > update MythTV BE

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Kwisher:

not sure how centos does rollbacks

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mengoshmink:

I have no idea but for the most part it has worked, if not doing partial bits and pieces

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mengoshmink:

right, here goes! ...

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mengoshmink:

can someone press y on my keyboard for me?

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Kwisher:

lol

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** Kwisher presses mengoshmink's y key **

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mengoshmink:

thanks :-)

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mengoshmink:

ever use suicide linux?

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Kwisher:

never heard of it

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mengoshmink:

" modifies terminal configuration such that any incorrect/unknown commands inputted will delete all data on the hard drive (rm -rf /)."

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mengoshmink:

there is a video on youtube

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mengoshmink:

well, good start, the mythbackend service has started

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Kwisher:

do you do any transcoding on recordings?

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mengoshmink:

yes

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mengoshmink:

I used to do it through MythTV but now I do it on my desktop

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mengoshmink:

but I want to setup the server to do some again

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Kwisher:

having issues with recordings from comcast

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mengoshmink:

I don't have Comcast (in the UK) but I can try and help

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Kwisher:

just started in the last week or so

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Kwisher:

cuts 1 hr show to around 35 mins

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Kwisher:

ota recordings work fine

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mengoshmink:

is something else interrupting it? Can you watch a live show of 1hr? oh

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Kwisher:

on the f/e it plays fine, 1hr

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Kwisher:

also with vlc it's fine

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mengoshmink:

I think there are rules to setup, record beyond if ..., I wonder if there is an opposite that has accidently been used

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Kwisher:

pretty sure it's something with myth transcode & my script

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mengoshmink:

if you temporarily disable your script does it record fine?

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Kwisher:

the recording is fine, it's the exported file that gets cut short

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mengoshmink:

ahhhhh

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mengoshmink:

sorry, I missunderstood

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mengoshmink:

if you export that file to your desktop PC then run the script on it locally does it work?

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Kwisher:

it's using the myth cutlist so it has to run on the backend

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mengoshmink:

just to test, see if it is the recorded file

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mengoshmink:

I have recorded some programs expecting mpeg2 and found them to be mpeg4 or some other weird stuff like that

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Kwisher:

the recording is fine, as a workaround i am editing out commercials right now with openshot

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Kwisher:

the comcast stream is a different format than ota

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mengoshmink:

does the playback using the cutlist work fine?

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Kwisher:

yes, on the f/e

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mengoshmink:

I would still try running the script locally without the cutlist just to see what happens

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mengoshmink:

hmm, first "problem" I can use keyboard in mythtv-setup

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Kwisher:

i removed all the comm cuts and ran the user job again and same result

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Kwisher:

the exported file should have been 1+ hrs but was 35 mins

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mengoshmink:

hmm

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Kwisher:

the author of the script is on the myth forums so i'll post there

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mengoshmink:

which script are you using?

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Kwisher:

https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1261

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mengoshmink:

thanks

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dekarl:

Kwisher: no, IIUIC due to licensing issues

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Kwisher:

what?

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dekarl:

I understood you asked if mythtv can get guide data from the HDHR upstream web service, like the HDHR software does t

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Kwisher:

ahh, ok

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Kwisher:

thx

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Kwisher:

dekarl: are you a myth dev?

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solars:

hi, quick question: I currently have a full featured htpc with ssd and dual dvb-c tuner card (octopus). However, it consumes a lot of power and I think I could basically replace it with a raspberry pi + USB tuner card + external hd for eventual recording + mythtv for streaming – is there anything that speaks against this?

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[R]:

rpi for a backend is pretty crappy

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mengoshmink:

I think you can use a rpi as a FE but not a BE

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mengoshmink:

oh btw Kwisher upgrade worked, so well I forgot to say thanks

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solars:

due to what exactly?

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[R]:

it being a piece of crap?

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mengoshmink:

hardware architecture eg hardware video decoding etc I think

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solars:

hmm I see

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mengoshmink:

I wouldnt do it but I have found this

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mengoshmink:

http://planetgary.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/myth . . . erry-pi.html

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solars:

I don't usually record, but sometimes when I'm not home I'd like to save a movie or so

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solars:

can't really judge how much that needs

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[R]:

then what do you do with myth if you're not recording...

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[R]:

lol

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solars:

well I said sometimes :)

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mengoshmink:

I find with MythTV good hardware is important. If you have good hardware then things work if you have under powered stuff

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[R]:

then what arey ou doing the other times

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[R]:

just having it sit and ccollect dust?

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mengoshmink:

I mostly use the video library less recording and very little if any live tv

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solars:

I use the machine for streaming as well

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solars:

yeah, things like that

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dekarl:

Kwisher: yup

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dekarl:

cheat sheet at https://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/WhosWho

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dekarl:

if someone wants to play with small arm thingys as backends, there are systems with gbit ethernet and sata on their own busses instead of everything on a single usb2 port... https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ARM_Systems <- update welcome

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Kwisher:

why was userjob definitions removed from mythweb?

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dekarl:

mythweb is going the way of the dodo. I'm not sure that anything has been actively removed. maybe it broke and no one repaired it?

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Kwisher:

it was there before the latest updates

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mengoshmink:

what!? I rely on MythWeb

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Kwisher:

no kidding

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dekarl:

It is using old technology and is a pain to maintain, so it needs a rewrite. Its being rewritten to run directly in the backend service and get more features for newer browser turning into a Webfrontend

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dekarl:

https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WebFrontend

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mengoshmink:

ah true, that is why I wanted to upgrade, to see if I could get the hang of WebFrontend

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mengoshmink:

panic over, for now

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dekarl:

I rely on MythWeb myself ;)

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mengoshmink:

for me it's like moving from X to Wayland, I will not stop progress but I will have get used to no x11 forwarding

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mengoshmink:

I use MythWeb to download recordings from my server to my desktop pc

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dekarl:

hmm, you can always use one of the export userjobs (with or without cutting / other processing)

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dekarl:

or just download it via the Webfrontend https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WebFrontend#Recordings

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mengoshmink:

give me a chance, I only upgraded to 0.28 a few hours ago

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mengoshmink:

I want to fix my channel icons first

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dekarl:

ahh, that's a pain, too.

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mengoshmink:

it's a lot better than it used to be

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dekarl:

do you do SQL? then just strip the paths in the database and move all files to ~mythtv/.mythtv/channels (IIRC)

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Kwisher:

found the userjob info in the API menu, how do i retrieve what;s already there and then edit it?

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dekarl:

I'm not sure if there are already consumers for that API

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mengoshmink:

that is sort of what I used to do

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dekarl:

yours could be the first :)

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Kwisher:

says use ajax to retrieve

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Kwisher:

so now i have to shutdown the backend and do it in the b/e setup???

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Kwisher:

grrrr

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solars:

If I would only want to stream from a computer with tuner card, to e.g. RPIs (no recording etc) – what would you use?

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Kwisher:

use the kodi image

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Kwisher:

openelec also

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solars:

on the clients you mean?

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Kwisher:

yes, pi on a tv

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solars:

and server?

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Kwisher:

depends on the content

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Kwisher:

just media files?

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solars:

no, tv streams on the tuner card

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solars:

no media files at all

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Kwisher:

not sure

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Kwisher:

what type of tuners?

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solars:

Kwisher: what I want to do is: I've got an open (no card required) DVB-C signal, and I want to stream it to multiple clients across the house, like multiroom audio

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Kwisher:

i'm not familar with that type of tuner, sorry

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Kwisher:

does it connect to your network?

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solars:

I think this might be an option: https://github.com/tvheadend/tvheadend

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solars:

I have no experience with tuners so I'm just trying to find out

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Kwisher:

link to your tuner?

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solars:

I think it must be https://digitaldevices.de/products/dvb_components/cine_c2t2/

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solars:

I see that many use tvheadend for doing this it seems

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Kwisher:

i would use it with mythtv backend then use pi's with kodi fro frontends

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Kwisher:

solars: you will only be able to have 2 streams at the same time

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Kwisher:

well 4 if you use both cable and antenna

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solars:

Kwisher: thanks, yes that's what I thought. I will give it a try

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