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| [09:32:02] | lapion: | so pressing R doesn't automatigally record the program we are on in the guide anymore ? |
| [09:32:57] | lapion: | Oops sorry, doesn't directly update the status of the guide |
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| [14:31:39] | lapion: | okay now how can I reset a frontend that's set to opengl ? |
| [14:31:49] | lapion: | it crashes at startup |
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| [15:04:58] | calmor15014: | Hey all, had an odd question that may be more related to networking than anything. My backend is running multiple ethernet interfaces, and I have dedicated one VLAN and subnet to MythTV. My frontends all PXE boot from that subnet, and the backend IP is also on that subnet. All standard MythTV functionality works normal, but uPnP and the services API seem locked to that interface. My standard devices (TVs, PS3/PS4, phones |
| [15:05:34] | calmor15014: | As such they can't access the uPnP services or API services. Is there any way to advertise the uPnP or API on a different IP address/interface than the one currently set up as the backend's IP address in mythtv-setup? |
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| [15:56:50] | calmor15014: | I should clarify that the backend IP in mythtv-setup is on the MythTV VLAN and subnet, but that machine also has access to the VLAN/subnet used for the other internet devices on the house. Mythweb is accessible from either IP address as I configured Apache to listen on either interface. |
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| [16:00:17] | calmor15014: | And also clarify that I am running 0.28.0+fixes on Ubuntu Server 16.04LTS, installed from Ubuntu's repositories. |
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| [16:55:45] | Jay2k1: | calmor15014: just a fellow user here, but probably not |
| [16:55:58] | Jay2k1: | but tbh... a dedicated VLAN for mythtv...? |
| [16:58:42] | Jay2k1: | http://s.jay2k1.com/2sgZ.png |
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| [17:12:44] | calmor15014: | Jay2k1: mostly a test to see if I can. Also, there are some practical applications. The DHCP server on the machine only runs that interface to provide booting to the frontends. Nothing else is affected. |
| [17:13:50] | calmor15014: | Also, I intend to try to do some form of multicasting on that VLAN, which keeps the multicast traffic from flooding the rest of the devices. |
| [17:14:03] | Jay2k1: | i guess that makes sense |
| [17:14:15] | calmor15014: | I tried that with a previous setup and literally everything else in the house lost internet connection because VLC was multicasting HD |
| [17:14:21] | Jay2k1: | heh |
| [17:14:24] | calmor15014: | (That is my favorite image by the way) |
| [17:15:02] | calmor15014: | My biggest challenge with MythTV is watching the same thing on multiple frontends and having it synchronized. Nothing more irritating than when you can hear the TV in the next room has a slight audio delay |
| [17:15:17] | Jay2k1: | now that sounds like a challenge |
| [17:15:38] | Jay2k1: | not only synchronizing the playback, but also to account for the different delays of different devices |
| [17:15:42] | calmor15014: | Like for sports when people come over to watch, it would be nice to have the same thing on all frontends. I want to try to do a multicast from the backend that all frontends can subscribe to. |
| [17:15:54] | calmor15014: | Thankfully all of the frontends are identical and the TV delays would be minimal |
| [17:16:02] | Jay2k1: | you must have a large house |
| [17:16:39] | calmor15014: | Lucked into one at a reasonable price. Also my wife tolerates my computer insanity. |
| [17:16:53] | Jay2k1: | then you did well wifing her |
| [17:17:21] | calmor15014: | She found me a 42U network rack and 48 port POE switch for $300 on craigslist. She's a keeper. |
| [17:17:22] | Jay2k1: | although mine, firstly frustrated with me spending weeks to properly set up and configure myth initially, was then a very happy user |
| [17:17:31] | Jay2k1: | being a show junkie like me |
| [17:17:43] | Jay2k1: | oh sounds like she definitelyis |
| [17:17:47] | calmor15014: | Sounds also like a keeper. |
| [17:17:54] | Jay2k1: | too late |
| [17:17:59] | calmor15014: | My wife was much the same. "You want to use the computer... to... do what?" |
| [17:18:12] | Jay2k1: | mine as in "my then-gf", not "my current wife" though |
| [17:18:20] | Jay2k1: | hehe |
| [17:18:30] | calmor15014: | In the move, I was reconfiguring and we didn't have it for a while and she was getting anxious to get it set up again. |
| [17:18:44] | calmor15014: | lol well, there is that... |
| [17:19:10] | Jay2k1: | when i told her how much that lian li cube case cost, she thought i was insane.. .then i said "it's gonna be below the tv in the living room, you certainly don't want a 20 eur cheapo grey standard case now do you" |
| [17:19:31] | Jay2k1: | "well it does look good" |
| [17:19:31] | calmor15014: | Hahaha exactly! |
| [17:20:45] | Jay2k1: | well best of luck with your project. i have kitchen, bedroom, living room and a spare room, the only (real) TV is in the living room so i don't have that problem |
| [17:21:07] | calmor15014: | Thanks, sounds like you have a decent spread as well! |
| [17:21:14] | Jay2k1: | technically i have a second tv in the bedroom, if a ~40" 4:3 CRT still counts as a TV nowadays |
| [17:21:29] | Jay2k1: | there's no frontend though |
| [17:21:53] | Jay2k1: | and although i am a linux server and network admin, i don't have VLANs at home and have no plans to change that :P |
| [17:22:00] | calmor15014: | I got most of the frontend boxes using credit card reward points on Amazon, over time of course. |
| [17:23:20] | calmor15014: | I'm a hobbyist and don't work in IT, so the VLAN thing was kind of a challenge to myself. But, I also have cameras on a different VLAN, so there's some practical application to what I'm doing. |
| [17:23:47] | calmor15014: | The frontends have to be on a port-based VLAN since they're kind of cheap and the card can do PXE but not over tagged VLAN. |
| [17:24:54] | calmor15014: | I don't recommend it for home use for most people, but my setup is nearly intentionally overkill. |
| [17:26:34] | calmor15014: | I think the 40" CRT still counts as a TV. Is your backend also a frontend, or just dedicated backend? |
| [17:26:58] | Jay2k1: | no, it's combined FE/BE |
| [17:27:20] | Jay2k1: | it only boots to record though, or when i boot it to watch stuff |
| [17:27:46] | calmor15014: | Oh so you've done backend poweroff? Do you do that with the frontends as well? |
| [17:28:00] | Jay2k1: | erm |
| [17:28:14] | Jay2k1: | there are no frontends |
| [17:28:30] | Jay2k1: | except for that on said combined FE/BE machine |
| [17:28:39] | calmor15014: | Ah – thought the kitchen and living room and stuff were also frontends. |
| [17:29:02] | Jay2k1: | no, they are rooms |
| [17:29:07] | Jay2k1: | :P |
| [17:29:25] | calmor15014: | Good point. Think I read a little too much into that. |
| [17:29:53] | Jay2k1: | the frontends wouldn't make much sense when i said i only have one (two) TVs |
| [17:29:55] | Jay2k1: | ;) |
| [17:31:01] | Jay2k1: | there's a port forwarding so i can access mythweb from everywhere, and the router sends a WOL packet if i try to access mythweb and the host is powered off |
| [17:31:05] | calmor15014: | My first FE/BE was a Gentoo box connected to a ~29" CRT, on a single core AMD. Maybe 2006 timeframe. It could happen. |
| [17:31:18] | Jay2k1: | sometimes the web request doesn't even time out |
| [17:31:24] | calmor15014: | hahahaha |
| [17:31:26] | calmor15014: | Sometimes. |
| [17:31:36] | Jay2k1: | yeah, if it does i have to reload after a minute :P |
| [17:31:42] | calmor15014: | Is it in S3 or is it fully powered down? |
| [17:31:48] | Jay2k1: | fully down |
| [17:32:18] | Jay2k1: | it really needs to completely boot, but it has an SSD |
| [17:33:02] | calmor15014: | Interesting. I'm trying to figure out how to reliably put the frontends into S3 while not in use to conserve some power, and wake on remote control |
| [17:33:37] | calmor15014: | Which distro are you running? SSDs really do boost the boot speed significantly, and reduce noise. maybe not so much power, depending on the SSD.\ |
| [17:35:34] | Jay2k1: | it was mainly for responsiveness and bootup speed |
| [17:35:46] | Jay2k1: | it still has a 3TB HDD for recordings |
| [17:35:54] | Jay2k1: | and i'm using mythbuntu |
| [17:36:19] | Jay2k1: | this is the board http://resources.vr-zone.net/uploads/11549/IMG_6900.JPG |
| [17:36:36] | calmor15014: | I have a similar setup on that backend. SSD system drive, 3TB HDD for recordings, NAS for archived recordings, DVD rips, music, pictures. |
| [17:37:59] | calmor15014: | You do okay with the AMD graphics? Looks like a nice little board. |
| [17:38:16] | Jay2k1: | i have a dedicated gpu by nvidia for VDPAU |
| [17:38:36] | calmor15014: | I had a Zotac fanless machine and I couldn't get HD video to play smoothly for the life of me with the AMD graphics, with the open source or Catalyst drivers. |
| [17:38:36] | Jay2k1: | can't recall the model but it was like 20–30eur and it's passively cooled |
| [17:39:02] | tgm4883: | OMG I'm kinda dumb sometimes :/ |
| [17:39:43] | calmor15014: | I've got these as frontends, now going diskless, with 2GB RAM each: https://www.zotac.com/us/product/mini_pcs/id41-plus |
| [17:40:17] | Jay2k1: | tgm4883: welcome to the club |
| [17:40:39] | calmor15014: | The nvidia GPU is the way to go for sure. Passive cooling is sufficient for HD too, as long as you're not doing too much. |
| [17:40:53] | calmor15014: | My frontends are seamless on HD, but can't do PIP to save their lives lol |
| [17:40:58] | tgm4883: | I've been throwing around the idea of moving my NAS drives into my backend since I've been having some performance issues when trying to create hard links for use with a Roku. I'd really rather not though so I was just going to deal with it until I started reading this conversation. So Now I'm just going to move the recordings drive over |
| [17:41:02] | calmor15014: | tgm4883: what'd you do now? |
| [17:41:12] | tgm4883: | like that's some huge ephinany or something :) |
| [17:41:27] | Jay2k1: | never tried PIP but never had issues with HD either |
| [17:41:38] | tgm4883: | I'm just like, well duh, I can just move one drive over not all of them. Why didn't I think of that sooner |
| [17:42:02] | Jay2k1: | heh |
| [17:42:13] | Jay2k1: | as long as you don't use RAID.... |
| [17:42:37] | Jay2k1: | i mean technically you can move a single drive somewhere else. but the results... |
| [17:42:50] | tgm4883: | Jay2k1: in my NAS I do, but I'm actually just going to add a new drive to my backend and copy the recordings over |
| [17:43:30] | Jay2k1: | calmor15014: lol these zotac boxes always look thesame |
| [17:44:19] | calmor15014: | tgm4883: I don't know how storage groups will like that. I guess as long as you copy them all over and set up the storage group to point to the new location, you should be fine. But, I think the database stores the path also, somewhere. You may want to test it before you go do all of them. |
| [17:44:56] | calmor15014: | Jay2k1: yes, yes they do. The challenge is finding one with an nVidia GPU. I thought the little fanless one I got did have one, but I was wrong. |
| [17:45:02] | tgm4883: | calmor15014: storage groups don't care about it as long as it's the same directory structure inside the SG directory |
| [17:45:35] | tgm4883: | so it's currently mounted at /srv/mythtv/recordings I'll mount the new drive at /srv/recordings and point the SG to the new directory |
| [17:46:27] | Jay2k1: | calmor15014: http://s.jay2k1.com/fld2.png |
| [17:46:55] | tgm4883: | Jay2k1: I have one of those |
| [17:47:10] | Jay2k1: | as i said they all seem to look the same... this thing must be two centuries old by now |
| [17:47:16] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [17:47:28] | tgm4883: | Yea they do. Mines got like an Atom D410 in it |
| [17:47:38] | Jay2k1: | i don't even know what's on that |
| [17:47:46] | Jay2k1: | software wise, probably debian sarge. |
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| [17:48:29] | Jay2k1: | atom 330 |
| [17:48:31] | Jay2k1: | 1,6GHz |
| [17:48:33] | calmor15014: | I had such good luck with the first one I got a few more. They all boot the same PXE image including the graphics driver; helps with upgrading and configuration. |
| [17:49:32] | calmor15014: | The ID41U has an atom 525, 2.0GHz I think. It's completely unstressed because the GPU does all of the work anyway. |
| [17:50:06] | calmor15014: | Haha that's too funny though. |
| [17:52:18] | calmor15014: | I do know that installing upgrades weekly used to take a good half hour though. It's pretty sluggish at anything that isn't related to watching TV. |
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| [20:21:45] | gpd: | I upgraded my mythtv server to 16.04 ubuntu and now i'm getting a load of SQL errors when using mythweb. is there a simple way to update the tables / fix errors? |
| [20:22:00] | gpd: | e.g. !NoTrans: SQL Error: Incorrect datetime value: '00:00:00' for column 'next_record' at row 1 |
| [20:22:18] | gpd: | tried ALTER TABLE record MODIFY next_record datetime NULL DEFAULT '1970-01–01'; |
| [20:22:32] | gpd: | but that also gives an error – i can't be the only one experiencing this |
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| [20:26:08] | gpd: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12713 <-- same same |
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| [21:12:19] | calmor15014: | gpd: did you try the check and repair tables function within mythweb? |
| [21:12:52] | calmor15014: | And did your frontend give you the notification that the SQL database was not the correct version and that it was updating? |
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