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| [00:18:14] | austeregrim: | What does it mean "tv settings configured" on the mythweb page? Where do I configure the TV settings in the backend? |
| [00:18:36] | austeregrim: | Do I control a stream to a tv with myth? |
| [00:18:42] | austeregrim: | I'm so confused! lol |
| [00:20:45] | austeregrim: | tgm4883, are you here? can you explain it to me like I'm a noob... well explain it like I'm 12. |
| [00:27:02] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: what are you talking about? |
| [00:28:02] | austeregrim: | the mythweb page is saying (since I've changed the video sources) that I need to configure the tv settings |
| [00:29:08] | austeregrim: | i don't know what tv settings it's asking for |
| [00:31:44] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: screenshot? |
| [00:32:10] | austeregrim: | It's gone now that I've configured the video source |
| [00:32:27] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [00:32:32] | tgm4883: | so then what is the question? |
| [00:33:26] | austeregrim: | what does it mean the TV settings? |
| [00:33:47] | austeregrim: | like I was wondering if I had to configure an output for each tv or something |
| [00:34:44] | austeregrim: | but I'm still trying to figure out the guide data thing... I have no channel info |
| [00:34:50] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: is anything currently not working? |
| [00:35:31] | austeregrim: | I don't know what you mean by "working"... I don't know if myth is going to do what I want |
| [00:36:08] | austeregrim: | but I have no guide data showing up |
| [00:36:14] | austeregrim: | so that's not working |
| [00:37:09] | austeregrim: | mythweb is showing an error Grabber is returning error 2 |
| [00:40:24] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: where are you located? |
| [00:41:25] | austeregrim: | United States |
| [00:41:35] | austeregrim: | I've signed up for schedules direct |
| [00:42:20] | austeregrim: | oh... well I'm not bright... I chose the wrong source grabber |
| [00:42:22] | austeregrim: | fml |
| [00:43:47] | austeregrim: | I don't understand why I'm not grasping the concepts in mythtv |
| [00:45:29] | austeregrim: | I feel like I'm trying to make my way through a jungle with a cricket bat trying to set up myth |
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| [01:12:39] | hydroponx: | austeregrim, there's definitely a learning curve |
| [01:15:55] | austeregrim: | clearly... it's mostly because doing the backend setup it says "video source"... well video source, that's my capture card isn't? ok, I'll assign a capture card to something... but no, myth tv thinks the video source is the guide data source.. |
| [01:17:38] | austeregrim: | there's very little explenation available to give you an idea of the process to set it up. |
| [01:17:55] | hydroponx: | wiki.mythtv.org |
| [01:18:01] | austeregrim: | why am I scanning channels for the 8th time... |
| [01:18:17] | austeregrim: | because I changed a video source... |
| [01:18:24] | hydroponx: | you shouldn't need to scan channels |
| [01:18:46] | austeregrim: | oh the wiki is so convoluded. it doesn't explain anything unless you read it copmletely 3 times over |
| [01:19:10] | austeregrim: | shouldn't need to, but here i am |
| [01:19:26] | hydroponx: | to be fair... |
| [01:19:43] | hydroponx: | you are doing what the cable companies pay departments to do |
| [01:21:04] | austeregrim: | I was leary about setting up a myth tv box, because i have a few friends who've tried it and just gave up... it could be much better explained in the setup, and have a better back end interface. |
| [01:21:18] | austeregrim: | but I have one friend who's saying to just do it. |
| [01:21:27] | austeregrim: | so I'm giving it a try... I want it to work. |
| [01:22:09] | austeregrim: | but it's been 3 days working to get this server just getting it going, and I understand why they gave up |
| [01:24:02] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: did you read the guide? |
| [01:24:19] | tgm4883: | it was practically written for your exact setup |
| [01:26:12] | austeregrim: | yeah and that's when I came back because stuff wasn't working |
| [01:26:36] | austeregrim: | so now I've got a bad guide downloaded for my channels how do I clear the guide information? |
| [01:30:21] | hydroponx: | in the backend channel lineup |
| [01:30:59] | austeregrim: | where is the backend channel lineup? |
| [01:32:26] | tgm4883: | what do you mean "a bad guide" |
| [01:32:41] | austeregrim: | items are mismatched, and I have no data for 90% of my channels |
| [01:32:51] | austeregrim: | what info I do have is not whats there |
| [01:37:10] | austeregrim: | looks like most of my channels in the channel editor have the option "use on air guide" turned on... how do I turn them all to use the guide from the internet? |
| [01:37:19] | austeregrim: | or do I have to toggle it for each one? |
| [01:37:49] | ** tgm4883 wonders how you even got into that situation ** | |
| [01:38:38] | austeregrim: | I probably channel scanned the first time expecting I was going to be able to use the on air guides |
| [01:38:42] | austeregrim: | that are non-existent |
| [01:41:10] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: probably the easiest way for you to fix the channels is via mythweb |
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| [01:41:36] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: via "<backendIP>/mythweb/settings/tv/channels |
| [01:42:32] | austeregrim: | I see it, thanks |
| [01:42:57] | austeregrim: | That would be easier than hitting up arrows 5 times and back down to change each one. |
| [01:43:16] | austeregrim: | I'm sorry I'm being cranky about this. |
| [01:53:09] | austeregrim: | looks like they're missing their xmltvid how can I look at the xml channel list to get their ID from the source? |
| [01:55:17] | austeregrim: | yay, I can see it on schedules directs page. |
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| [02:10:20] | austeregrim: | I hope adding all those channel ids will fix the guide |
| [02:21:55] | austeregrim: | so now I have what looks like everything set up... I can watch tv from a myth front end... now how do I watch tv from my tv? |
| [02:22:17] | hydroponx: | plug a myth (or kodi) frontend into the tv |
| [02:25:48] | austeregrim: | so I can only watch recorded stuff via dlna/upnp |
| [02:26:58] | hydroponx: | dunno |
| [02:27:18] | hydroponx: | I have hdmi out from my frontend to my receiver |
| [02:28:16] | hydroponx: | if you don't have hdmi out (from pc) or vga input (to tv) then that maybe a true statement |
| [02:29:45] | austeregrim: | Yeah the point was I didn't really want a front end at all. This whole exercise was so that I could get my cable stream on my network to watch live tv with pause playback... without having another box at my media center |
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| [02:50:46] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: so setup some schedules to record and forget about live tv |
| [02:51:44] | austeregrim: | if I want to watch recorded stuff I've got access to other content. I wanted live tv with playback for things like news shows... which don't make sense recording news |
| [02:55:01] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: well you have your options |
| [02:57:04] | austeregrim: | I don't mind using myth as a recorder... that's not the thing that I needed it for... and putting another box at my tv was not something I was wanting to do. No one said "live tv isn't streamed over dlna" or there are no other softwares available to complete this... |
| [02:57:45] | austeregrim: | what options do I have tgm4883 ? |
| [02:58:53] | tgm4883: | either putting a box at your TV. There's some work being done for the raspberry pi, but I don't know the current status of it. Or, set up schedules to record and then watch recordings. |
| [02:59:12] | tgm4883: | I don't use DLNA, so I don't know how well that's supported and what it can and cannot do |
| [03:00:31] | austeregrim: | I see what it does for dlna, and it looks promising to decent, as far as cataloging recorded shows. |
| [03:01:37] | austeregrim: | my rub is that there is no front end for any device I have. ps3, ps4, roku, vizio smart tv... |
| [03:01:53] | austeregrim: | so without a front end, I can't do live tv. |
| [03:02:38] | austeregrim: | unless I get the newer version of the hd homerun, for $150 which does support dlna live |
| [03:02:58] | austeregrim: | and make it work in conjunction with myth |
| [03:03:11] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: well to be fair, mythtv does a good job of supporting legacy stuff like live tv |
| [03:03:18] | tgm4883: | just apparently not with DLNA |
| [03:06:36] | austeregrim: | just a little frustrated... all this time spent on this to find out it doesn't do the crucial part without a mythtv specific front end. |
| [03:07:07] | austeregrim: | I'll probably have to get a Intel NuC for this |
| [03:08:31] | austeregrim: | throw mythbuntu on it as only a frontend |
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| [04:09:11] | austeregrim: | ok, well until I buy a nuc... I'm setting up an old laptop as a frontend |
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| [06:46:12] | austeregrim: | tgm4883, you around? my front end machine is acting up |
| [06:46:30] | austeregrim: | giving exit code 130 and constantly restarting the frontend |
| [06:47:05] | austeregrim: | I'm just not having any luck |
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| [07:18:19] | austeregrim: | logs say it's not connecting to backend |
| [07:18:24] | austeregrim: | but backend is still up |
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| [08:42:04] | ikevin: | austeregrim, check your firewall :) |
| [08:42:25] | austeregrim: | just needed to update the front end client... it appears to be working now |
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| [09:46:58] | jmcentee: | austeregrim: Are you up and running now, if you have had lots of problems, you "may" want to start again from fresh, and do the steps that actually worked, if you have the time and inclination. |
| [09:48:51] | jmcentee: | A raspberrypi3 will work as a frontend today if you get peter bennetts build. much easier to get working than the backend. |
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| [15:26:46] | justinh: | aye aye. Looks like my myth system has gobbled through another video card. I don't actually even watch recorded telly anymore & what the wife & kids want can be watched on-demand, so I think it's gonna be bye bye big ugly box in the corner, hello NAS box, hello little on-demand box. Cutting the cable.. the aerial cable. Heh. That is, IF the on-demand solution can pass muster. |
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| [16:00:00] | jmcentee: | and you are posting that here because? what you want is a kodi box. |
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| [19:55:39] | austeregrim: | jmcentee, it looks like i've got it running well. Not sure why the front end had freaked out after the first reboot, but updating it through apt-get for the fourth time got it working. |
| [19:57:04] | austeregrim: | but this $40 project has turned into a $600 one, because now I want two Intel NuC computers as front ends, and the newer HDHomeRun. |
| [19:58:07] | austeregrim: | I really don't even watch this much tv... I just really wanted it available for background noise (live tv), and to playback things like police chases. Thats what started the whole thing was watching a police chase on the news last week. |
| [19:59:57] | austeregrim: | after all was said and done, finding out the major portion of what myth can effectively do with DLNA is to share only recorded streams, was a let down... I will press on. Maybe someone needs to make a plugin that makes a DLNA add on for live streaming. |
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| [20:12:17] | austeregrim: | jmcentee, I assume you're still here... I've got stuff recorded, but recorded videos aren't supported on some of my devices, as far as my android phone, it gave me a warning the audio codec isn't supported... on the ps3 it's saying the entire video isn't supported... how can I change the codecs that are used during recording? or how does myth transcode recorded content is it after the fact? |
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| [21:29:55] | justinh: | ~jmc |
| [21:29:57] | justinh: | gah |
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| [21:30:25] | justinh: | jmcentee: no I really don't want a Kodi box. I want something that works, without hacks & isn't too sucky for UK TV |
| [21:31:10] | justinh: | also don't want something that involves buying/building a new machine, buying new tuners & all the rest of it. |
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| [21:53:08] | justinh: | austeregrim: by default mythtv records broadcast TV & keeps it as it is. If it's mpeg2, good look getting anything 'DLNA' to play it. |
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| [22:02:40] | justinh: | there's probably something on the mythtv wiki about how you get recordings into a format Sony want you to play |
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| [22:04:38] | justinh: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Quality_Transcode &ndas h; alas no instructions about how to configure that as a user job |
| [22:07:40] | jmcentee: | austeregrim: you probably want to look into the HLS stuuf https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HLS |
| [22:10:18] | jmcentee: | I haven't done transcoding, so have no expericence, but myth does also have settings to transcode after the recording is done. |
| [22:10:46] | jmcentee: | The problem with DLNA is no-one follows the standerd correctly. |
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| [22:13:29] | jmcentee: | a raspberrypi will be a lot cheaper than a nuc for a frontend, and the reports are uit works well with minor issues in my opinion https://github.com/bennettpeter/mythtv/releases |
| [22:14:23] | austeregrim: | I'm not opposed to getting a pi... but the nuc being x86 arch gives me a warm fuzzy. |
| [22:14:49] | jmcentee: | justinh: do you know what a kodi box is? |
| [22:14:57] | justinh: | of course I know what it is |
| [22:15:16] | austeregrim: | If I stop using the nuc as a frontend, it has other uses... not saying the pi doesn't, but it's a bit more esoteric in it's usability |
| [22:15:37] | justinh: | I'm gonna get a NAS for file storage & use (if it doesn't suck too badly) my provider's box for TV – on demand & from the network |
| [22:16:24] | austeregrim: | justinh, from my little experience, using a nas is good.. I've got my storage locations on nfs shares. |
| [22:16:35] | justinh: | this system is on its last legs, and it's done well. 24/7 operation for countless years now but to replace it with a like system now would just be silly IMHO. New board, new box, new tuners, new video card.. gah |
| [22:17:15] | justinh: | I watch so little TV myself these days I don't really care if it's unreliable or a bit crap |
| [22:18:38] | justinh: | mythtv has been a brilliant workhorse in all this time & has rarely skipped a beat. It's a brilliant thing but I'm dying to get away from needing a full-on PC for content |
| [22:19:13] | jmcentee: | not IT people at work are able to buy a kodi box and get it working with no problems for only £30, cheaper than a NAS. |
| [22:19:33] | justinh: | get it working dead easy for sure. KEEP it working? ROFLMAO |
| [22:19:39] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: while that's true. A Pi is also a 10th of the price |
| [22:20:01] | justinh: | my dad's got an android TV box with kodi on it. It's a PIRATE JOKE |
| [22:20:28] | tgm4883: | You can get a Pi setup for £30? |
| [22:20:39] | justinh: | click on that stream.. oh it's dead. click on another.. oh it's dead. Ahh it needs updating... reboot. reboot. reboot. Click on a stream.. oh it's STILL DEAD. LOL |
| [22:20:53] | justinh: | and all the UK TV plugin things are hacks |
| [22:21:07] | justinh: | hacks relying on stolen content. Meh |
| [22:21:57] | justinh: | the real irony is that some people are actually *paying* to watch pirated content now, so their lists of working streams can be kept up to date |
| [22:22:35] | justinh: | nah all that's gonna implode before too long I bet. I certainly hope it does & it'll serve everybody right |
| [22:23:10] | tgm4883: | justinh: you're a salty individual aren't you :) |
| [22:23:19] | austeregrim: | I can get an older NuC for $150... which is only about 5 or 6x the price of a pi and should work just as well, with other capacity as a x86 box. |
| [22:23:52] | justinh: | we mostly watch free TV. what isn't free, is bought on disks and ripped to storage :) Or there's this amazing new thing apparently where you pay a small monthly fee & have the chance to watch loads of different things! |
| [22:24:13] | austeregrim: | I'm trying to watch my spending... but price isn't really a concern at this point... it's usability. |
| [22:24:35] | justinh: | tgm4883: well, I have my opinions that's for sure. I don't like the 'free' option if it spends a lot of time not working |
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| [22:25:29] | jmcentee: | austeregrim: when you say x86, do you mean windows? |
| [22:25:33] | justinh: | remains to be see what this 'youview' content box is really like. It doesn't seem too awful at first glance. |
| [22:25:48] | austeregrim: | well, usability and the fact I didn't want an extra box sitting at both my entertainment centers, when I've already got a ps3, and ps4, and one of my tvs is a smart tv with dlna. |
| [22:26:16] | austeregrim: | when I say x86, I mean the ability to install windows linux or whatever I want. |
| [22:27:14] | austeregrim: | x86 is a bit more flexible than arm architectures. |
| [22:27:53] | jmcentee: | only for windows |
| [22:28:54] | tgm4883: | jmcentee: there's a bit more software for x86 than arm |
| [22:29:09] | justinh: | it's impressive – nay even amazing that my backend/frontend has lasted so long for any always-on PC |
| [22:29:32] | justinh: | especially considering it's all really not server grade gear :) |
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| [22:39:28] | jmcentee: | well I can't think of much non windows software would would want to run on a nuc, but can't run on a rpi. OpenBSD comes to mind at the moment |
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| [22:41:45] | justinh: | hmm hang on. my router has 2 usb ports.. maybe that could be a filey server |
| [22:42:32] | austeregrim: | justinh, your router would not be worthy of a file server.. it can, but not for video content. |
| [22:43:14] | austeregrim: | it's okay for a share of files between people, but not something where you need speed or low latency. |
| [22:45:30] | justinh: | a NAS wouldn't be either by that metric. Not a cheap one |
| [22:45:45] | justinh: | video doesn't need low latency |
| [22:46:19] | justinh: | or speed so much. When rips & even recorded TV is only up to what... 5Mbits/sec |
| [22:46:48] | justinh: | (we don't yet do those 'blue' discs in our house) |
| [22:48:12] | justinh: | darn it. Why did I think this new box had DLNA? Ah so maybe we DO need an android box then. Just not with those unreliable piece of cack plugins |
| [22:49:29] | justinh: | the only sticking point for me about all the on-demand stuff is that each channel has its own 'portal' |
| [22:53:40] | tgm4883: | jmcentee: uh, we're currently in a channel where the software is just now getting ARM versions that actually work on things |
| [22:55:41] | tgm4883: | jmcentee: there are 1500 more packages for x86 vs armhf in the ubuntu repos |
| [22:57:23] | tgm4883: | generally faster (even older systems), upgradable |
| [22:58:02] | tgm4883: | About the only thing ARM has going for it is Size, Cost, Power Consumption. |
| [23:05:15] | austeregrim: | okay, so my thing is recording a show, but when I'm trying to watch live tv on the front end it's only showing me two channels. |
| [23:06:22] | austeregrim: | I looked through the menu, and I see two sources to switch I suppose the hdhr's input I'm on, both are named the same |
| [23:09:31] | tgm4883: | austeregrim: there is a setting somewhere (in the backend maybe? IDK I don't use live tv) that says to basically start from the opposite end of your tuner list for live tv |
| [23:09:39] | tgm4883: | or you could hit "Y" I think |
| [23:09:57] | tgm4883: | basically, you're on the same tuner as your recording, so you are only seeing the multiplex stuff |
| [23:10:26] | austeregrim: | I see that now. thanks... yeah I changed input to the other tuner |
| [23:10:45] | austeregrim: | but it's strange the tuners are both labeled the same "TV-2" |
| [23:11:59] | austeregrim: | now I'm trying to figure out why the video is choppy on the other tuner, I'm monitoring the snmp on the backend to see where the lag is |
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| [23:16:36] | austeregrim: | well figured that out, it was the wifi |
| [23:17:42] | tgm4883: | yea wifi is no good for streaming HD |
| [23:18:33] | austeregrim: | I wouldn't say that... it's just this front end's computer is kind of old, and the wifi in it isn't using the band my wifi is capable of. |
| [23:22:40] | austeregrim: | I can do hd on my mac which does use the higher speed band |
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| [23:25:34] | tgm4883: | ok |
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