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| [00:02:28] | cj___: | Esteban, what do you like about it |
| [00:02:35] | cj___: | I'm waiting on my equipment to set it up |
| [00:06:17] | Esteban: | it keeps the wife happy, and I don't have to buy an apple TV, so that's a win |
| [00:09:32] | cj___: | what are you running it on? |
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| [00:34:54] | Roklobotomy: | Yeah Mrs LObsta has been very happy with Myth for the last 7 years. |
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| [01:15:17] | hipitihop: | I have an existing 14.04.3 LTS which has been a combined back/front, but now runs on a much heftier box. Can I switch from using XFCE simply ? |
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| [01:36:38] | Esteban: | an old core2duo i stole from a previous employers' scrap bin |
| [01:36:41] | Esteban: | 1GB ram |
| [01:37:02] | Esteban: | debian (i know you myth guys hate how they package it, sorry) |
| [01:38:59] | Esteban: | 2 x digitalnow 4 tuner receivers which appear to no longer be for sale? |
| [01:39:05] | Esteban: | that's about it |
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| [01:46:06] | Esteban: | I plan on upgrading it to a haswell or skylake some time in the future, not for more performance, for lower power use (it's always on) |
| [01:56:06] | cj___: | thanks |
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| [02:06:09] | Roklobotomy: | Esteban: lucky you. My 7yo mythbox is using 2x Afatech dual tuners 2GB RAM, Athlonx2 2700 and 2TB of RAID5 works just dandy to this day |
| [02:06:20] | Roklobotomy: | i looked for the quad tuners the other day but they are gone |
| [02:06:51] | Roklobotomy: | they stopped being made after the E4000 tuner went off the market. Even though the R820T is a good replacement no-one made an updated quad tuner. |
| [02:19:02] | Esteban: | bummer |
| [02:19:25] | Esteban: | i had nothing but problems with the afatech tiny twin usb versions |
| [02:19:43] | Esteban: | these quad cards have been working beautifully for years now |
| [02:20:29] | Esteban: | if they are unable to be purchased I'm tempted to take one out in case it dies, i dont need all the channels as I only really watch the ABC anyway |
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| [02:49:30] | Roklobotomy: | good idea, 4 tuners is enough |
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| [02:49:51] | Roklobotomy: | especially as only one tuner is needed if you are recording multiple shows off the one tuned channel |
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| [04:40:27] | hipitihop: | I see I have libvdpau1 installed, a hangover to when my box had nvidia, it is pure intel now. If I try to remove the package, it wants to remove most of myth. Any suggestions ? |
| [04:44:25] | Roklobsta: | is it harming anything to leave it? |
| [04:45:55] | hipitihop: | I'm eliminating a breakage to OpenGL caused by using this to update the kernel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack |
| [04:46:35] | Roklobsta: | yeah my linux mint nvidia install has completely fscked itself after an update the other day. |
| [04:46:44] | hipitihop: | But even booting with original hasn't fixed the breakage. |
| [04:46:58] | Roklobsta: | no nvidia, can't even remove the offending package with "--killwithprejudice''. |
| [04:48:38] | hipitihop: | My box is an origina karmic based Mythbuntu that has gone through upgrades since... but 12 months ago, I ripped the HDD out of the ATOM330 based mobo (with inbuild nvidia) and now runs as is in new all intel |
| [04:49:24] | hipitihop: | I know, I should blow it away and do fresh install, but I have a few other services running there that will be a pita to migrate off for now |
| [04:52:04] | hipitihop: | Roklobsta, so instead of removing that pkg, any ideas how to get opengl running again ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13553711/ |
| [04:54:02] | Roklobsta: | if you uninstall the package and uninstall myth there is no harm to then reinstall myth packages. just make sure your database is backed up and you're good to go. |
| [04:55:15] | hipitihop: | is db backup automatic or something I need to switch on somewhere |
| [04:56:55] | Roklobsta: | it's automatic – cron job. you can backup and restore manually too |
| [04:57:16] | Roklobsta: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [05:00:07] | hipitihop: | theres a backup in mythbuntu-control-center I see |
| [05:00:39] | Roklobsta: | i've uninstalled myth packages and then reinstalled them with no hassles in the past to fix up some messes. |
| [05:01:31] | hipitihop: | ok will try, although since this is a mythbuntu repo I'm not 100% what the top-level pkg is |
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| [05:10:41] | Roklobsta: | mythtv |
| [05:10:44] | Roklobsta: | i expect |
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| [05:26:52] | hipitihop: | right, all of that wanted the vdpau pkg anyway :( looking for other ways to solve the opngl breakage now |
| [05:32:14] | hipitihop: | looking at synaptic missing recommends, there is a handful the like libgl1-mesa-glx are those likely culprits ? |
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| [06:00:33] | blakktux: | Hey guys, does anybody know how well Cox communications works with MythTV CableCARD setups? |
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| [09:40:28] | _spOOn__: | hi, i'm having some trouble with mythtv on debian with the new channel 9 channels in australia |
| [09:40:48] | _spOOn__: | tuning finds the channels, but when I switch to one of them, i only get a partial lock |
| [09:40:53] | _spOOn__: | and no picture/sound |
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| [09:45:39] | Roklobsta: | how'd it go locking with your older myth? what make is the tuner? |
| [09:45:58] | Roklobsta: | does it lock if you use mplayer? |
| [09:47:00] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: yes, it use to work fine, then channel nine in australia swapped over to HD, and moved all the frequencies of the SD channels as well :-( |
| [09:47:12] | _spOOn__: | yes it tunes fine with w_scan + mplayer |
| [09:48:01] | _spOOn__: | card is dvico fusionHDTV dvb-t dual tuner |
| [09:48:57] | _spOOn__: | i thought maybe i would delete the channel in mythtv-setup and just import my channels.conf as I knew that worked.... but it seems you cant import the channels.conf (or at least, I cant seem to) |
| [09:49:10] | _spOOn__: | can only import previous tunings |
| [09:49:47] | Roklobsta: | i used to have this problem in melbourne with sbs – i edited the transport frequency up or down a smidge |
| [09:49:59] | Roklobsta: | it's annoying |
| [09:50:08] | Roklobsta: | works in mplayer, not myth. |
| [09:50:26] | _spOOn__: | yup, works in mplayer, just not myth.... |
| [09:50:48] | Roklobsta: | it's been a loooong time. you can use channels.conf too.... |
| [09:50:50] | _spOOn__: | so, you think its worth trying changing the transport freq? |
| [09:51:04] | _spOOn__: | cool... any ideas how? |
| [09:51:16] | _spOOn__: | ive googled, and come up with lots of people that say it can be done |
| [09:51:23] | _spOOn__: | just nobody seems to tell you how :) |
| [09:51:32] | _spOOn__: | wondered if it was deprecated now.... |
| [09:56:57] | _spOOn__: | so, you think changing transport freq is worth a shot? |
| [09:59:50] | _spOOn__: | given that re-tuning finds the channel, is this likely to do anything? |
| [10:03:42] | Roklobsta: | yeah it'll lock. edit it in the mythtv-backend setting util |
| [10:04:30] | _spOOn__: | any suggestions how much i should be adjusting the freq by? |
| [10:04:48] | _spOOn__: | and also, do I need to rescan for chans after changing it? |
| [10:05:05] | Roklobsta: | and be careful that you are trying to tune to a strong signal – there are quite a few DVB repeaters in cities now |
| [10:05:38] | _spOOn__: | signal is about 75–85% which for where we live, is quite good :) |
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| [10:06:05] | _spOOn__: | so what, 10–15 up or down? |
| [10:06:07] | _spOOn__: | or more? |
| [10:06:55] | Roklobsta: | hang on |
| [10:07:08] | camjac251: | with mythtv can you watch live tv and be able to pause/rewind/ and record from where you started watching? |
| [10:08:41] | Roklobsta: | yes |
| [10:08:47] | Roklobsta: | but you have to watch tv through myth |
| [10:09:25] | camjac251: | what do you mean? |
| [10:09:31] | camjac251: | Are recordings encrypted? |
| [10:09:41] | camjac251: | Meaning I could only watch them with myth? |
| [10:10:11] | camjac251: | I'd be interested in integrating the dvr with plex, where the recorded files would go to Sonarr for organizing then to plex for watching |
| [10:10:45] | camjac251: | But for live tv, I'd use a roku for limited functionality, then a nexus player (hopefully) for recording/pausing/rewind etc |
| [10:12:11] | Roklobsta: | _spOOn__: i can't find the database anymore |
| [10:12:57] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: tried 100 up, no joy :) |
| [10:15:29] | Roklobsta: | try w_scan from the command line. one of the options make chan.conf you can impoty |
| [10:16:17] | _spOOn__: | i have a working channels.conf from w_scan |
| [10:16:33] | _spOOn__: | but import for file is no longer an option within mythtv-setup |
| [10:16:49] | _spOOn__: | only import existing scan |
| [10:17:52] | Roklobsta: | ok compare the frequencies from wscan to those that mythtv scanned. there usually is a suble diff. |
| [10:17:56] | Roklobsta: | subtle |
| [10:18:39] | Roklobsta: | actually... now its' coming back to be. |
| [10:18:40] | Roklobsta: | me |
| [10:19:06] | Roklobsta: | i ended up editing the database directly with mysql editor because the transport ID was wrong |
| [10:19:08] | Roklobsta: | fsck. |
| [10:19:40] | Roklobsta: | i put in a bug report to the myth guys as the database was being incorrectly populated and I wasn't the only one suffering this. |
| [10:20:06] | Roklobsta: | it's all working now... i'll never have to edit the channels again unless i move. |
| [10:22:03] | _spOOn__: | hmm, okies, ill check em now |
| [10:24:21] | _spOOn__: | dont suppose you remember which table in the db the frequencies are stored in? |
| [10:25:13] | Roklobsta: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10217 |
| [10:25:40] | _spOOn__: | thanks... reading now |
| [10:25:46] | Roklobsta: | comment 21 |
| [10:27:02] | Roklobsta: | stuarta might have been lumped with this bug now |
| [10:28:42] | Roklobsta: | once i got the netid in the right place it magically started to tune |
| [10:28:47] | Roklobsta: | and lcok |
| [10:31:48] | _spOOn__: | netid seems correct |
| [10:32:01] | _spOOn__: | and as I said, it tunes ok, just no lock.... |
| [10:32:17] | Roklobsta: | the no lock stopped when i set netid where there were nulls |
| [10:32:22] | Roklobsta: | and there are 2 netids... |
| [10:32:26] | Roklobsta: | do you have the right one? |
| [10:35:06] | Roklobsta: | check this bug for clues too https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11864 |
| [10:37:19] | _spOOn__: | hmm, okies, i can see the transportid and networkid in dtv_multiplex, but unsure where i should be matching these... |
| [10:37:33] | _spOOn__: | dont seem to have a channel_scan table.... |
| [10:37:52] | Roklobsta: | down the rabbit hole you go.... |
| [10:38:41] | Roklobsta: | did ch9 doa recent change? |
| [10:38:43] | _spOOn__: | hehe |
| [10:39:11] | _spOOn__: | yes, they changed to HD, and it seems shifted all their frequencies.... |
| [10:39:25] | Roklobsta: | oh you mean ch9 became HD? |
| [10:39:29] | _spOOn__: | as 9 use to be fine, but on the day of chaning to HD, i lost all 9 channels |
| [10:39:31] | Roklobsta: | moved it from GEM? |
| [10:39:48] | _spOOn__: | i lost old SD chans and new HD chans |
| [10:40:09] | _spOOn__: | i can only "assume" they moved frequencies of all their channels where i am |
| [10:40:26] | Roklobsta: | they might just shuffle the ID's and not change freqs |
| [10:41:01] | camjac251: | what do you guys use to run your mythtv backend |
| [10:41:03] | _spOOn__: | hmmm, i might have found something.... |
| [10:41:05] | Roklobsta: | i don't understand the DVB transport one bit. i was hacking the database blind until i got it working |
| [10:41:09] | camjac251: | Im worried a raspi2 wouldnt work |
| [10:41:19] | _spOOn__: | select * from channelscan_channel where scanid = 15 and mplex_id = 0; |
| [10:41:19] | Roklobsta: | my backend is athlin x2 2700 |
| [10:41:24] | Roklobsta: | which is also my frontend |
| [10:41:38] | _spOOn__: | select * from dtv_multiplex; |
| [10:41:57] | _spOOn__: | there is no multiplex in dtv_multiplex with the id of 0.... |
| [10:42:11] | Roklobsta: | ask on #mythtv |
| [10:42:37] | camjac251: | sorry |
| [10:42:43] | Roklobsta: | not you caelor |
| [10:42:46] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: |
| [10:43:06] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: thought that was only dev channel :) |
| [10:43:11] | camjac251: | Me too |
| [10:43:13] | Roklobsta: | it is |
| [10:43:24] | Roklobsta: | i spam it all the time with my BS though |
| [10:43:52] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: is rpi a permanent backend or just mucking about? |
| [10:44:13] | camjac251: | Something cheap for now, will upgrade later |
| [10:44:15] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: i am using a 3 drive RAID5 for my recordinds. |
| [10:44:31] | Roklobsta: | does rpi even have SATA? |
| [10:44:43] | camjac251: | It would be a simple backend setup, class10 sd card, ac, raspi2, and a usb 1tb hard drive |
| [10:44:58] | Roklobsta: | how many tuners? |
| [10:45:08] | camjac251: | Then I'd see if theres an ubuntu guide for it, if not, then mythbuntu |
| [10:45:15] | camjac251: | I'm using the hdhomerun prime, 3 |
| [10:45:22] | Roklobsta: | oh so network |
| [10:45:28] | camjac251: | Is that a bad thing? |
| [10:45:43] | Roklobsta: | no, it's just a lot of data for the unit to shuffle around |
| [10:46:00] | camjac251: | I've really only spent the last 2 days grasping the subject |
| [10:46:02] | Roklobsta: | especially if the rpi ethernet is on the USB bus |
| [10:46:39] | camjac251: | I have rokus in the house, so I bought a nexus player in hopes that it would allow the mpeg decoding/guide/recording/pausing/rewind features |
| [10:46:41] | Roklobsta: | try it but you might find it struggles. |
| [10:46:55] | Roklobsta: | a cheap celeron system would be better. |
| [10:46:57] | camjac251: | Would a NAS do any better? |
| [10:47:22] | Roklobsta: | as long as the NAS could keep up with simultaneous recording and playback |
| [10:47:30] | camjac251: | Lets say a WD MyBook Live, heard thats what they shipped out when Hdhomerun did their kickstarter |
| [10:47:42] | Roklobsta: | we stream recordings over Wifi to vlc |
| [10:47:50] | camjac251: | I'd be using plex |
| [10:47:53] | Roklobsta: | but the server is on gigabit eth |
| [10:47:58] | camjac251: | Not on the raspi, but on a different machine |
| [10:48:22] | camjac251: | Can mythtv do live tv just fine? recording while streaming, pausing, etc etc? |
| [10:48:41] | camjac251: | I haven't seen many things advertising that on the Play store, only dvr playback |
| [10:48:49] | Roklobsta: | _spOOn__: dekarl just headsupped me. https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1151 |
| [10:50:21] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: yes it can do livetv just fone |
| [10:50:27] | Roklobsta: | with pause, rewind FF |
| [10:50:31] | camjac251: | the final cost of a raspi with all components is around $80, do you think I could get a more adequate "server" for that price used on ebay that would outperform the raspi2 |
| [10:51:14] | camjac251: | I currently have a server, dell poweredge 840, but it takes up uses too much power |
| [10:51:39] | Roklobsta: | i understand |
| [10:52:27] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: any old dual core cpu from the last 5+ years will work fine |
| [10:52:34] | Roklobsta: | except atom |
| [10:52:44] | Roklobsta: | i am thinking CORE/CORE2 or Athlon like mine. |
| [10:53:22] | camjac251: | so an ARM processor thats quad core, wouldnt work then |
| [10:53:59] | Roklobsta: | i can't say for sure, it depends on how busy the USB bus gets as the rpi2 using USB for ethernet and your HDD. |
| [10:54:27] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: looks promising |
| [10:54:40] | _spOOn__: | now if only i could delete the transports.... :) |
| [10:54:45] | Roklobsta: | my ancient athlon2700x2 seems to idle at 1000MHz even when recording multiple show to RAID5. |
| [10:55:08] | Roklobsta: | i bet i am affected. i'll wait until ch9 appears to stop recording |
| [10:56:23] | Roklobsta: | you can buy a nice basic celeron system with 4GB and 1TB HDD for under $250 now. |
| [10:56:32] | Roklobsta: | which is plenty for myth |
| [10:58:29] | camjac251: | I'd be looking at something for under $100 |
| [10:58:39] | Roklobsta: | check the 2nd hand shops |
| [10:59:13] | Roklobsta: | my myth system with 5 drives in it pulls at most 85W, idles at 70W |
| [10:59:53] | Roklobsta: | newer systems might get to 60W with 5 drives |
| [11:00:29] | Roklobsta: | someone mentioned in japan you can buy a device that continually records all channels all the time |
| [11:00:51] | Roklobsta: | so you can channel surf all the daytime TV when you get home from work |
| [11:01:31] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: just re-tuning now... |
| [11:01:32] | Roklobsta: | i estimated mythtv costs about $250 to run every year |
| [11:01:46] | Roklobsta: | which is cheap entertainment |
| [11:02:12] | camjac251: | I was hoping to switch to hdhomerun dvr in january or febuary |
| [11:02:19] | camjac251: | when it is in its final stages |
| [11:02:38] | camjac251: | Unless mythtv wins me over with its features |
| [11:02:41] | camjac251: | and functionality |
| [11:03:09] | Roklobsta: | You have to pay your dues battling mythtv. but it's worth it when you win. |
| [11:03:36] | camjac251: | I'm seeing a dell desktop tower with a core 2 duo 3GHz processor, 8GB ram, 250GB HD, seems like its adequate |
| [11:03:48] | camjac251: | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+XP+2700%2B |
| [11:03:48] | Roklobsta: | plenty adequate |
| [11:04:03] | camjac251: | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel . . . +%40+3.00GHz |
| [11:04:14] | camjac251: | Wondering though if I can go cheaper |
| [11:04:59] | Roklobsta: | like i said, the athlon – even with 4 USB tuners and 3 drive RAID has given me no reason ever to upgrade it in the last 7 years of mythtv use |
| [11:05:21] | Roklobsta: | in spite of it's woeful cpu performance by todays standards |
| [11:05:59] | _spOOn__: | Roklobsta: you're a champion |
| [11:06:04] | _spOOn__: | working a treat! |
| [11:06:08] | _spOOn__: | thankyou soooooo much |
| [11:06:09] | Roklobsta: | thank dekarls for PM ing me |
| [11:06:10] | _spOOn__: | :) |
| [11:06:34] | _spOOn__: | lol, yes, pass on my thanks also |
| [11:09:18] | Roklobsta: | camjac251: ah, closer checking shows this is my cpu https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?c . . . 2B&id=83 |
| [11:09:33] | camjac251: | Ah, I was going to say |
| [11:09:37] | Roklobsta: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ |
| [11:09:45] | camjac251: | 300 as a rating for stellar mythtv performance seems unbelievable |
| [11:09:59] | Roklobsta: | the cpu goes to 2700MHz -> x2 -> 5400+ |
| [11:10:16] | Roklobsta: | yeah it seemed loowwwwww |
| [11:10:41] | camjac251: | i just found a $32 system, core 2 duo, 2000 cpumark |
| [11:10:54] | camjac251: | Think I might go with that, unless amazon has some cyber monday sale |
| [11:11:27] | Roklobsta: | yeah you will have much more satisfaction with real sata bus and gigabit ethernet and x64 code |
| [11:11:32] | Roklobsta: | try ubuntu |
| [11:11:36] | Roklobsta: | mythbuntu |
| [11:11:52] | camjac251: | raspi2 isnt 64 bit? |
| [11:12:03] | Roklobsta: | google it... ? |
| [11:12:17] | camjac251: | I'll definately use ubuntu 14.04 |
| [11:12:55] | Roklobsta: | cortex A& is 32 bit |
| [11:12:57] | Roklobsta: | A7 |
| [11:13:05] | Roklobsta: | i am using 14.04 |
| [11:13:14] | Roklobsta: | and myhttv 0.28 trunk |
| [11:13:22] | camjac251: | Would I need a GUI installed for configuring mythtv? |
| [11:13:27] | Roklobsta: | yes |
| [11:13:32] | Roklobsta: | it sucks but you do |
| [11:13:36] | Roklobsta: | QT |
| [11:13:38] | Roklobsta: | is needed |
| [11:13:51] | Roklobsta: | that might change one day. |
| [11:14:27] | camjac251: | would I run mythtv with mono? |
| [11:14:34] | camjac251: | since its C++ |
| [11:14:45] | Roklobsta: | huh? |
| [11:15:08] | camjac251: | I guess I'd be able to compile it then? on ubuntu |
| [11:15:18] | Roklobsta: | sure |
| [11:15:27] | Roklobsta: | i just use the .debs |
| [11:15:40] | Roklobsta: | i haven't compiled myth ever |
| [11:15:59] | camjac251: | I saw on the site that they dont offer precompiled packages |
| [11:16:06] | camjac251: | I'm assuming you mean the ubuntu repo? |
| [11:16:36] | Roklobsta: | http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.28/ubuntu |
| [11:16:39] | camjac251: | Sorry for asking these questions, I should be able to find them on my own |
| [11:17:00] | camjac251: | 0.28? Thought it was 0.27 still |
| [11:17:29] | Roklobsta: | https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/0.28 |
| [11:17:33] | Roklobsta: | dev is 0.28 |
| [11:17:41] | Roklobsta: | it works well enough for me |
| [11:17:41] | camjac251: | Oh nice |
| [11:17:45] | camjac251: | Stable enough? |
| [11:17:58] | Roklobsta: | seems to be |
| [11:18:12] | Roklobsta: | i have used it most of this year, do an update once a month or so |
| [11:18:15] | camjac251: | thank you, I wasnt aware that it would be available |
| [11:19:02] | camjac251: | seems like it just got updated today :) |
| [11:19:07] | Roklobsta: | every day |
| [11:19:09] | _spOOn__: | well, once again, thanks Roklobsta, |
| [11:19:18] | Roklobsta: | back to the cricket? |
| [11:19:30] | _spOOn__: | catch you all again next time some stupid broadcaster decides to be a pain in the arse |
| [11:19:33] | _spOOn__: | yup :) |
| [11:19:37] | _spOOn__: | catch you all later |
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| [11:19:39] | Roklobsta: | bye |
| [11:24:10] | camjac251: | did I choose wrong with going with a hdhomerun prime? I have Fios with a cablecard, saw that the homerun offered a simple and cost effective solution |
| [11:24:25] | Roklobsta: | nothing wrong it's fine |
| [11:24:31] | Roklobsta: | have a play |
| [11:24:53] | camjac251: | So what you're saying is, it wouldnt route directly to the computer, but through the lan network for mythtv to see it |
| [11:25:51] | Roklobsta: | oh wut? ch9 h.264? |
| [11:28:14] | camjac251: | in terms of mythtv recordings, are shows interlaced from 23.976 to 23.976? Could mythtv auto correct this and have the recording be progressive and the audio pitch unchanged? |
| [11:28:35] | camjac251: | That was my worry, that I wouldnt be able to get 1080p recordings from a network like AMC |
| [11:28:42] | Roklobsta: | i don't know |
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