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Tuesday, October 20th, 2015, 00:10 UTC

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Hydr0p0nX:

if it helps ... i just renewed an old schedules direct subscription that doesn't have a channel lineup associated

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arrrghhh:

I don't use schedules direct... but sure :P

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arrrghhh:

I didn't realize there was an 'enable compression' checkbox on ssh

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arrrghhh:

derp this is better already, now instead of 10 minutes between clicks it's like 5...

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arrrghhh:

maybe. ugh

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arrrghhh:

now it's sometimes bearable, sometimes not... I guess that's better than always unbearable.

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Roklobsta:

nx woulda worked nice

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arrrghhh:

Roklobsta, no de..............

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Roklobsta:

i know...

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arrrghhh:

vnc would've worked nice too

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arrrghhh:

if I had a de

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Roklobsta:

install fvwm do thing, uninstall fvwm

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arrrghhh:

I still don't get why on a backend only setup I even need to use a GUI

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Roklobsta:

i guess Its The Way It's Always Been Done Around Here.

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arrrghhh:

hm

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arrrghhh:

I'm new(ish) to myth, so I'm not used to how things are done here haha

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Roklobsta:

well noone imagined it'd be made to work without DE

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arrrghhh:

I

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Roklobsta:

you could go and just edit the sql database directly

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arrrghhh:

I can't be the only one who has a backend only setup

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Roklobsta:

just you

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arrrghhh:

lol

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Roklobsta:

in the history of the universe

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Roklobsta:

your mum always said you were difficult.

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arrrghhh:

yea what to edit in the db is the issue

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arrrghhh:

otherwise I totally woudl.

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arrrghhh:

would even

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Roklobsta:

even with DE mythbackendsetup is a completely poxy thing to drive

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twiggy2cents:

just install a DE set it up and then remove the DE

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Roklobsta:

designed for an IR remote control and a PS/2 keyboard

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twiggy2cents:

Then future edits would be over ssh

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arrrghhh:

twiggy2cents, that will not go well... install a DE, installs 5,000 packages

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Roklobsta:

twm? fvwm?

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arrrghhh:

remove de, uninstalls 1 package

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WhenInRome:

how about a wm like fluxbox?

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Roklobsta:

you already get QT along for the ride with mbe

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arrrghhh:

I know, not happy about that but I didn't have a choice there

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twiggy2cents:

I dont know what distro you are using but fedora has a remove with leaves add on that is "supposed" to remove that

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arrrghhh:

ubuntu server... aptitude seems to do a better job then apt-get but still

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Roklobsta:

i use autoremove and deborphan to get rid of old things

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arrrghhh:

sooooo the init.d mythbuntu package is not starting... I can start mythbackend manually hto

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arrrghhh:

tho*

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arrrghhh:

whew. I think I'm done.... now to learn about mythweb in .27

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Roklobsta:

oh man you want 0.28

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Roklobsta:

;)

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arrrghhh:

LIES

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arrrghhh:

:P

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arrrghhh:

ahhh a webui that actually works. this is really all I wanted

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arrrghhh:

I can't really test how the front-end works as I'm not home... but hopefully it works haha

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utente:

does anyone know if 0.28 has support for CUTLIST and LOSSLESS TRANSCODE of HD (H264/MPEG4) recordings? just cut of the beginning and ending plus. I have tried some script, but simply I do not find a software able to open an HD recordings. I have tried dvb-cut,avidemux,projectx. I use mythbuntu 14.04.03 with 0.27.5.

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stuarta:

no it doesn't

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stuarta:

it's on the todo list

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arrrghhh:

so I'm having a case of the dumb. where are the logs in 0.27.5? I use ubuntu with the mythbuntu repo's... it used to be in /var/log/mythtv (which does exist) but there's no backend log

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arrrghhh:

my googling says /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log.... which is what I usually would look at. I have a commflag log, a setup log and some others but no backend log there

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utente:

thanks stuarta

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stuarta:

utente: np

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arrrghhh:

I even added --logpath /var/log/mythtv to the init.d script... restarted, stopped/started, still no backend log....

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arrrghhh:

Mythbackend logging. The log lives at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log :/

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arrrghhh:

Of all the issues I thought I would have downgrading, finding the backend log was not one of them...

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arrrghhh:

sudo find / -name "backend"

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stuarta:

find / -name mythbackend\*

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arrrghhh:

yea I realized my folly, changed it to sudo find / -name "myth*backend*"

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arrrghhh:

this is kinda ridiculous tho... why would --logfile not work

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arrrghhh:

--logpath rather

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stuarta:

so you have a mythlogserver running?

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stuarta:

er. do?

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arrrghhh:

mythlogserver...?

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stuarta:

just grep the processlist for it

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arrrghhh:

I have logs for commflag and filldb

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arrrghhh:

ok

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arrrghhh:

no just mythbackend

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/bohazasizi.rb

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stuarta:

hmmm

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arrrghhh:

on .28 I only had that as well

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arrrghhh:

in my /var/log/upstart I have some old mythtv-backend logs... old as in from yesterday

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arrrghhh:

they are already gzipped too

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arrrghhh:

so... there is no backend log

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/onojufiwep.coffee

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arrrghhh:

stuarta, what is this mythlogserver?

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arrrghhh:

I don't see it in my binaries

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stuarta:

it's probably disabled in the mythbuntu builds

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arrrghhh:

it wasn't in .28?!

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arrrghhh:

well, the backend log

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stuarta:

and it's disabled by default in 0.28

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arrrghhh:

I'm confused. So how do I enable backend logging in 0.27?

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stuarta:

it should just work

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stuarta:

tgm4883: ^^^ is there something special todo for logging with the mythbuntu / ubuntu mythtv packages?

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arrrghhh:

yea it 'just worked' in .28... hm

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arrrghhh:

I see --syslog local7 in the arguments when running the upstart script... shouldn't this log to my syslog?

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bill6502:

arrrghhh: make sure that /var/log/mythtv is has write permission for the user that runs the backend. also, note lines 2 and 26 in your paste, I <think> that if you're running Ubuntu 15.04 or later that systemd will run the BE, not Upstart

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bill6502:

you could try: systemctl status -l -n999 mythtv-backend.service

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arrrghhh:

14.04 is what I'm on

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arrrghhh:

no systemd for me yet

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bill6502:

OK. line 2 (/lib/systemd/system/mythtv-backend.service) seems odd then. I assume the status command failed ^^^

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arrrghhh:

I'll try it

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arrrghhh:

yea systemctl: command not found

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bill6502:

then I'd look at the permissions. or, just do a test with --logpath /tmp

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arrrghhh:

drwxr-sr-x 2 syslog adm 4.0K Oct 20 08:02 mythtv

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arrrghhh:

what perms should the /var/log/mythtv folder have? Other logs seem to be writing there fine

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bill6502:

for --logpath, the BE must be able to write to the directory (I don't use --syslog.) mine is mythtv:mythtv

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arrrghhh:

is having both an issue? I didn't remove --syslog

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arrrghhh:

I just added --logpath

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bill6502:

never tried both, sorry

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arrrghhh:

hm. chmod log directory to 777

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arrrghhh:

removed syslog

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arrrghhh:

still nothing where I expect it... will try /tmp

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arrrghhh:

doesn't work in /tmp either

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bill6502:

there's also /var/log/upstart/mythtv-backend.log* in your paste that may be a help

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arrrghhh:

yea they're all gzipped tho and old (from yesterday is the latest)

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bill6502:

what happens if you do: sudo stop mythtv-backend VERIFY that it's stopped with: ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep and then start the BE with: sudo mythbackend --user mythtv --logpath /tmp

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arrrghhh:

I don't use the mythtv user

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arrrghhh:

is that an issue?

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tgm4883:

stuarta: no, it should log to /var/log/mythtv/

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: wait, why don't you use the mythtv user?

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bill6502:

arrrghhh: I've never tried without --user, so yet again, no help here. that suggests you've got a 'custom' /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf (nothing wrong with that) I recall that rsyslog controls where the logs go (when using --syslog localX) and that it's very fussy about directory permissions, not just the mode you mentioned (777.) When you did the --logpath /tmp, did you remove the --syslog too

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, I use my user

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: how are you staring the backend?

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arrrghhh:

with my user

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: via command line?

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, no via the upstart script

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arrrghhh:

I changed the USER= to my user

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: well don't do that :)

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arrrghhh:

why...

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arrrghhh:

I don't think I have a mythtv user

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: why would you?

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arrrghhh:

if I do, it certainly isn't setup right

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arrrghhh:

I would rather keep user accounts to a minimum

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: you installed the packages, you should have a mythtv user

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arrrghhh:

the backend didn't start with the mythtv user IIRC

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bill6502:

ls -l ~mythtv/.mythtv

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: well without any logs to verify or knowing anything about your setup, I can almost certainly say that you're doing it wrong

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arrrghhh:

lol I would agree

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arrrghhh:

I just want to know "what" I'm doing wrong :)

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bill6502:

How about: tailf /var/log/syslog in one terminal session and starting the BE in another. Any messages?

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tgm4883:

I'm not sure if it's better to start from scratch or try to undo what you've done. Can you tell me a little bit about your setup?

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, ubuntu server, had .28 working fine but had issues with the webui

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arrrghhh:

uninstalled .28 (purge) and deleted the db

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arrrghhh:

reinstalled .27 from mythbuntu repo's

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l | grep myth'

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/kucixejala.vhdl

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arrrghhh:

it's a standalone backend, the FE is a rpi2 running kodi

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tgm4883:

ok that looks good, how about pastebin of 'mount'

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arrrghhh:

which the backend seemed to record a show and do commflag... it even appears commflag worked

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/jawikaxiza.hs

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arrrghhh:

but the FE isn't 'seeing' the backend. Hence why I wanted logs

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: can you do 'sudo su – mythtv'

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arrrghhh:

I have a $

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arrrghhh:

odd prompt

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: good

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tgm4883:

now type 'bash'

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tgm4883:

then pastebin 'ps aux | grep myth'

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arrrghhh:

ah there's the normal prompt

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arrrghhh:

mythbackend is not running

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tgm4883:

ok

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/masotehutu.hs

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tgm4883:

so lets do just 'mythbackend'

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arrrghhh:

hm seems to run

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tgm4883:

that should start it from the command line, and y ou're logged in as the mythtv user

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tgm4883:

still running?

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arrrghhh:

yea

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tgm4883:

mythweb is accessible?

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arrrghhh:

let me try

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arrrghhh:

yep

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arrrghhh:

hm. so I should change the init.d file back to the mythtv user?

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: ok, so stop the process, then switch your init script back to mythtv usre and then start the service

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tgm4883:

you'll have to exit twice to get back to your prompt

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arrrghhh:

10–4

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arrrghhh:

running. let me look for logs

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arrrghhh:

no new log files

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/exegodaboz.vbs

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: ok, can you look at /var/log/syslog and see if mythbackend logs are showing up there

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arrrghhh:

ok

[17:09:04]

arrrghhh:

syslog is literally empty

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arrrghhh:

0b

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tgm4883:

uh...

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tgm4883:

so you're system is broken then?

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arrrghhh:

-rw-r----- 1 root root 0 Aug 8 2014 syslog

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arrrghhh:

I guess? lol

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: did you try to forward syslog logs somewhere else

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arrrghhh:

my system works fine... I don't know why syslog is empty

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arrrghhh:

I don't think so

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: to be fair, if your system worked fine you wouldn't be here ;)

[17:10:22]

arrrghhh:

fair enough.

[17:10:30]

arrrghhh:

file hasn't been touched in more than a year

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arrrghhh:

I guess what I mean is the rest of the system works fine. No other issues that I can see/notice

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tgm4883:

I'm not at a ubuntu box atm, can you try 'sudo service rsyslog status'

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arrrghhh:

rsyslog start/running, process 661

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tgm4883:

odd

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arrrghhh:

I kinda don't want mythbackend to log to syslog tho, I would much prefer it create its own log in /var/log/mythtv as .28 did

[17:17:04]

tgm4883:

arrrghhh: well yea, that's how it should work

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: but you aren't logging anything to syslog

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arrrghhh:

yea that is a separate issue IMHO

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arrrghhh:

not sure why that is happening

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tgm4883:

no, actually it's not. essentially what should happen is that mythbackend should log to rsyslog. rsyslog sees that this is coming from mythbackend and instead of writing to /var/log/syslog writes to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log instead

[17:18:32]

arrrghhh:

hm. why am I getting mythcommflag logs then?

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arrrghhh:

wouldn't that use the same mechanism?

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: possibly. I'm not sure how mythcommflag works. It could potentially just 'echo line > mythcommflag'

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arrrghhh:

hm

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: but I'm almost certain that your lack of syslog logs is causing your mythtv logging issue

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: when is the last time this box was rebooted? Maybe a good old fashion reboot will fix it

[17:22:49]

arrrghhh:

I suppose I can try that

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arrrghhh:

it's been up for 60 days

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arrrghhh:

jeez my auth.log hasn't been touched since August 2014 as well

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arrrghhh:

this is disturbing

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kjj:

anyone ever have problems with the screen setup app? On some of my boxes, when I try to run it, it isn't visible and doesn't respond to any input

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, well one mystery down. I still don't have kern.log, auth.log, syslog... but that seems to be an ubuntu issue

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tgm4883:

kjj: Are they all using the same theme?

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kjj:

no, different themes

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tgm4883:

kjj: I recall there was an update to the screen setup wizard a while back that required themers to change something

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tgm4883:

kjj: might be worth a test that if switching to a theme that you know works resolves the issue

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arrrghhh:

next question when you have a minute tgm4883 – my kodi / rpi2 FE isn't 'seeing' the backend... on .28 this "just worked" or I would see errors in the backend log. I don't see any errors about protocol mismatch etc but the FE does not 'see' myth

[17:37:50]

kjj:

I'll check the themes on some of my boxes tonight.

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: Have you manually added the backend in kodi?

[17:38:09]

kjj:

Actually, I wonder if the problem might be my window manager

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, I just had that thought, I had my roomie uninstall/reinstall the client... going to have him check the config

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: if that doesn't work, I would check backend logs and logs on kodi. Since you don't have logs on your backend (and really, I would fix that first) then starting mythbackend from the command line as the mythtv user should be a workaround to give you log output in the terminal

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arrrghhh:

oh sorry I thought I said the reboot fixed the backend logs

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arrrghhh:

I'm still not getting auth.log, syslog, kern.log etc... but the backend logs are working now :)

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: ah ok

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kjj:

anyone know how the oldrecorded table works if I want to suppress recording of a specific episode of a show by simulating an old recording?

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, so roomie is telling me the kodi client settings still have the backend IP etc... all the configuration settings are still there

[17:43:39]

arrrghhh:

I don't see anything in the backend logs like protocol mismatch etc... going to look at logs on kodi

[17:46:00]

arrrghhh:

uhm... there's my problem. what to do about it, I'm not quite sure

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arrrghhh:

http://hastebin.com/ugoqulomal.vbs

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arrrghhh:

that's the right IP, but that PVR couldn't get capabilities line confuses me

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tgm4883:

arrrghhh: not sure, you'd h ave to ask the kodi guys

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arrrghhh:

tgm4883, so I had my roomie reboot the rpi2, had him uninstall/reinstall the mythtv pvr client... anything else?

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arrrghhh:

poop.

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kjj:

I tried for quite a while getting cmyth working on my openelec raspi boxes with no luck.

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arrrghhh:

well I put a question out to #kodi. This is just odd, I thought the client would work for .27 and .28

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arrrghhh:

kjj, it worked great with rpi2 and openelec on .28... I downgrade to .27 and nothing but issues so far!

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kjj:

actually, on that theme, how can I improve the performance of myth while browsing through my videos collection?

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