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Tuesday, September 29th, 2015, 00:03 UTC
[00:03:46] blisbell: well ill be back tomorrow going to sleep on it might post this in the mailing list just to have more eyes on it been driving me crazy for months now
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[02:05:27] Orionid: Yo, does anyone know of a site publishing MythTV nightly Windows builds?
[02:05:47] Orionid: Can't seem to find any with recent compiles.
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[02:42:31] Hydr0p0nX: i'd like to find one
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[16:42:06] ShapeShifter499: hi
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[16:46:39] ShapeShifter499: I tried running mythtv-setup using "ssh -l raansu -Y 192.168.1.5 mythtv-setup" ('raansu' is my normal user, 'mythtv' is the mythtv user) and got loads of errors which I'm not sure why https://pastee.org/x9yhd
[16:47:57] ShapeShifter499: mariadb is used and I'm on arch linux
[16:48:07] ShapeShifter499: but I have never ever messed with mysql
[16:49:57] sphery: ShapeShifter499: almost definitely a problem with your ~/.mythtv/config.xml (meaning that config.xml is probably set up for some other user--like the one that runs mythfrontend and/or mythbackend--but not for your normal user)
[16:50:28] sphery: can you ssh as the mythtv user?
[16:50:41] ShapeShifter499: sphery: yes
[16:51:05] sphery: if not, you can probably get a mostly-workable configuration by just copying the ~/.mythtv/config.xml to the same place in your normal user's account
[16:51:41] sphery: or, depending on how your distro configured things, you may be able to just create a .mythtv link in your normal user account that refers to some "centralized" mythtv configuration directory
[16:52:16] ShapeShifter499: sphery: I get similar output if I run the above command as the mythtv user
[16:52:20] sphery: meaning the mythtv user has a link at ~mythtv/.mythtv that refers to the proper location--in which case, make one like it for raansu
[16:52:47] sphery: do you have a working mythtv system?
[16:52:51] sphery: or is this initial setup?
[16:53:23] sphery: if initial setup, it's likely just the message spam you'll get when it tries to do things it can't do until you create and populate the database
[16:53:34] sphery: I can't tell which it is because you don't have the first part of the log output
[16:54:07] sphery: oh, wait, later on I see some startup stuff
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[16:54:11] ShapeShifter499: sphery: my terminal scroll back doesn't go far enough back, but yes this is initial set up
[16:54:11] sphery: so that's mutliple logs
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[16:54:46] ShapeShifter499: sphery: I was following this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV#Backend_setup
[16:55:14] ShapeShifter499: sphery: this is a headless server so I'm forwarding the GUI stuff to a working desktop also running Arch Linux
[16:58:00] ShapeShifter499: sphery: I've gotten to the first line of the "Setting up the master backend" section where I run mythtv-setup
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[16:58:48] sphery: and does it ask you for database information?
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[16:59:08] sphery: do you have it pointing to the proper host/port and using the proper database user/password?
[17:00:30] ShapeShifter499: sphery: It gives me a GUI with a question about my location then quits
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[17:00:51] sphery: ok
[17:01:06] sphery: the initial db creation stuff tends to get broken lots
[17:01:21] sphery: last I checked, it was broken, but then worked fine the 2nd time
[17:01:27] sphery: however, it doesn't seem to be doing that for you
[17:01:39] ShapeShifter499: yea I ran it at least 4 times now
[17:01:56] ShapeShifter499: same location question, click save, quits
[17:02:04] sphery: can you (in your ssh window) connect to mysql using the mysql command line client
[17:02:19] ShapeShifter499: sphery: maybe?
[17:02:34] ShapeShifter499: how would I?
[17:02:49] ShapeShifter499: mysql -u root -p  ?
[17:02:55] sphery: that would work
[17:03:06] sphery: better would be: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[17:03:11] sphery: then type in password
[17:03:32] sphery: that would verify that host can access mythtv's database using mythtv's database user
[17:03:48] sphery: (assuming you're using a database username of mythtv--otherwise change mythtv after -u)
[17:04:20] sphery: also, if the database isn't on the same host as the backend (on localhost for the ssh session), you'd have to specify a -h
[17:04:22] ShapeShifter499: sphery: I don't think there is a user other than root in mysql, I haven't set one up
[17:04:24] sphery: -h<hostname>
[17:04:34] sphery: the mc.sql you ran set one up
[17:04:43] sphery: try: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[17:04:47] sphery: and type password mythtv
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[17:05:22] sphery: also, the code you may have run in the "Some setups refuse frontends from remote machines. To fix this: " section would have set up a user/password
[17:05:37] sphery: and if it was different from what mc.sql does, that could cause confusion
[17:05:43] ShapeShifter499: wait I see
[17:05:49] ShapeShifter499: default is mythtv for pass
[17:05:53] sphery: yeah
[17:05:54] ShapeShifter499: how would I change that?
[17:06:08] sphery: carefully :)
[17:06:33] sphery: that's challenging to do correctly, and how it's done depends on how your distro manages mysql/mariadb and its passwords
[17:06:51] sphery: and you'd have to update mythtv configuration after doing so, too
[17:08:17] sphery: So, just to verify, this is a brand new system on which you're trying to create a brand new database--you're not just creating a new backend to add to an existing MythTV setup, right?
[17:08:49] sphery: meaning you're going to have a blank mythtv system--no recordings, no rules, no history, right?
[17:09:03] sphery: basically a first-time mythtv system
[17:11:53] ShapeShifter499: sphery: correct
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[17:12:42] sphery: ok
[17:12:47] ShapeShifter499: sphery: I just now got into the root mysql command line and ran "SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('newpassword');"
[17:12:55] ShapeShifter499: sphery: via http://www.techonthenet.com/mariadb/change_password.php
[17:13:00] sphery: ok
[17:13:19] sphery: note, though, that you need to do that for all <user>@<host> combinations that have already been specified
[17:13:25] ShapeShifter499: seems ok as I was able to mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg using the new password
[17:13:26] sphery: and you'll need to do a FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[17:13:50] ShapeShifter499: er flush?
[17:13:51] sphery: and then, inside the mysql client, please do: SHOW TABLES;
[17:14:02] ShapeShifter499: as root?
[17:14:06] sphery: the flush as root
[17:14:14] sphery: the show tables as mythtv
[17:14:29] ShapeShifter499: alright
[17:14:40] sphery: you could do show tables as root, but make sure you're in mythconverg db when you do
[17:14:48] ShapeShifter499: @ 'localhost' is all I know that has been specified
[17:14:54] sphery: even then, I think it shows non-mythtv ones, so it's probably better to do as mythtv
[17:15:11] sphery: so you never did the "Some setups refuse frontends from remote machines. To fix this: " part?
[17:15:20] sphery: if not, you should be good
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[17:15:31] sphery: mc.sql uses localhost
[17:15:35] sphery: and only localhost
[17:15:37] ShapeShifter499: sphery: https://pastee.org/5pc4a
[17:15:51] sphery: OK, that's a problem
[17:15:57] sphery: it's a partial database
[17:16:00] ShapeShifter499: sphery: nope I didn't do that 'refuse frontends' part
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[17:16:18] sphery: seems that one of the times it was creating the DB schema and got interrupted (killed)
[17:16:22] sphery: can take a while
[17:16:26] sphery: so, let's "fix" it...
[17:17:13] ShapeShifter499: alright
[17:17:51] sphery: this will delete everything in your DB, so if it's really supposed to be blank, please do (as mythtv user): DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg;
[17:18:04] sphery: while mythtv-setup is not running
[17:19:04] ShapeShifter499: sphery: so mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg or start a new one with a empty -p flag
[17:19:24] sphery: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[17:19:41] sphery: the -p is "password", but because there's a space, the "mythconverg" is the database name
[17:19:53] sphery: so it asks for the password when you issue the command
[17:19:55] ShapeShifter499: oh I see
[17:20:26] ShapeShifter499: sphery: ok previous command " DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg;" succeeded
[17:20:30] sphery: technically, it's supposed to be -u<username> -p<password> , but they've made it so -u <username> will work because people got confused
[17:20:34] sphery: perfect
[17:20:41] sphery: now start up mythtv-setup
[17:20:54] sphery: if you still have the ssh -Y session active, just do it from there
[17:21:03] ShapeShifter499: so exit the mysql command line
[17:21:17] sphery: it will start scrolling tons of errors that aren't errors (log spam), then eventually will create the DB schema
[17:21:26] sphery: yeah, if using that terminal
[17:21:37] sphery: we shouldn't need the mysql command line again
[17:23:45] sphery: oh, I think the GUI may ask you for DB information
[17:24:00] sphery: make sure you use the right hostname (localhost, it seems) and username/password
[17:24:17] sphery: and it may ask for permission to "upgrade" your database--in which case say yes
[17:25:42] ShapeShifter499: sphery: it gave me the same gui 3 times, with all the db questions and everything. the 4th time was just the locale
[17:26:10] ShapeShifter499: after the first pass the fields were filled
[17:26:39] sphery: did it quit by itself in between?
[17:26:44] ShapeShifter499: yes
[17:26:57] ShapeShifter499: erm I pressed exit
[17:27:21] sphery: when, after the 4th time?
[17:27:23] sphery: or each time?
[17:27:28] sphery: you don't want exit
[17:27:32] sphery: you want to OK the settings
[17:27:32] ShapeShifter499: each time
[17:27:39] ShapeShifter499: I did ok to the end
[17:27:53] ShapeShifter499: all I saw left was exit
[17:28:10] sphery: that probably means it was unable to connect to db
[17:28:24] sphery: go back into mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg and see if there are tables
[17:28:33] ShapeShifter499: sphery: https://pastee.org/vcyqr
[17:28:36] sphery: there should be either 0 or 1 (where the one would be some LOCK something or other)
[17:28:47] sphery: oh, tables are good
[17:28:50] sphery: that looks like all of them
[17:29:01] ShapeShifter499: it didn't ask for any location of my tv tuner
[17:29:01] sphery: so now you just need to go in to the UI
[17:29:08] sphery: of the mythtv-setup program
[17:29:36] ShapeShifter499: on the frontend?
[17:29:38] sphery: go ahead and run mythtv-setup again and paste the log, please
[17:29:44] sphery: no, on backend
[17:29:51] sphery: mythtv-setup UI
[17:30:23] ShapeShifter499: I'll log it to a file >mythtv.log
[17:30:30] sphery: perfect
[17:31:16] sphery: or might need: 2>&1 > mythtv.log
[17:31:32] sphery: (don't remember whether any is on stderr or if it's all stdout or ...)
[17:32:45] ShapeShifter499: sphery: https://pastee.org/x696p
[17:32:50] ShapeShifter499: um now what?
[17:33:00] sphery: what's in mythtv.log
[17:33:09] sphery: can you paste it?
[17:33:12] sphery: to pastee
[17:33:41] ShapeShifter499: sphery: mythtv.log https://pastee.org/c9bxq
[17:34:15] sphery: 2015-09–29 10:32:28.775272 E MySQL time zone support is missing. Please install it and try again. See 'mysql_tzinfo_to_sql' for assistance.
[17:34:26] sphery: Note: With the 0.26 release of mythtv, time zone tables are required to be in MySQL!
[17:34:29] sphery: from your howto
[17:34:32] sphery: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV#Backend_setup
[17:34:34] sphery: do that step
[17:34:38] ShapeShifter499: erm uh I did that already?
[17:34:39] sphery: mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p<yourpassword> mysql
[17:34:44] sphery: where that's done as root
[17:34:54] sphery: mysql/mariadb root that is
[17:35:02] sphery: (so not the mythtv database password)
[17:35:13] sphery: probably didn't succeed?
[17:35:43] ShapeShifter499: it did
[17:35:45] ShapeShifter499: wait
[17:35:54] sphery: shouldn't hurt to re-run it, anyway
[17:36:04] ShapeShifter499: sphery: should I be completing that /usr/share/zoneinfo?
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[17:36:29] sphery: no, it needs to be the zoneinfo directory that contains all the zone files
[17:36:43] ShapeShifter499: ok well I did it correctly then
[17:36:48] sphery: just complete/replace the <yourpassword>
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[17:36:50] ShapeShifter499: redid it again just now
[17:36:57] sphery: and any output?
[17:37:01] ShapeShifter499: no
[17:37:15] sphery: ok, try again with mythtv-setup and see if it's the same message at the end
[17:37:23] sphery: the MySQL time zone support is missing one
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[17:38:05] sphery: in which case it would mean that your zoneinfo files are elsewhere or something
[17:43:16] ShapeShifter499: sphery: this time around I got all the options to add my card
[17:44:27] sphery: perfect
[17:44:28] sphery: enjoy
[17:44:37] sphery: that puts you at this part: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV#S . . . ster_backend
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[18:00:37] ShapeShifter499: sphery: continuing now
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[19:31:58] ShapeShifter499: I was able to connect using kodi as a frontend but I got kicked
[19:32:26] ShapeShifter499: sphery: these two lines showed up in my dmesg on the server backend https://pastee.org/mbdqv
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[21:22:29] toad_: transcoded video plays fine for a few seconds but then plays at half speed with no sound ... yet the CPU isn't heavily used. what's going on? ideas for how to proceed?
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[21:22:47] ** toad_ has googled some ... nothing very helpful **
[21:23:15] toad_: there isn't much in the logfile
[21:26:49] Kwisher: toad_: tried it with vlc?
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[21:30:00] toad_: how would i find the file? hmmm, /proc/pid/fd maybe...
[21:31:24] Kwisher: depends on your process
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[21:37:45] Kwisher: did you look in your video storage, iirc that's where it defaults to
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[21:41:42] toad_: with vlc video is better (doesn't slow down), but audio drops out at exactly the same point as in mythfrontend
[21:42:16] toad_: and it uses even less cpu, around 12%
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[21:51:10] toad_: ugh
[21:52:19] toad_: hmmm, mplayer on a different machine gives the same result...
[21:53:17] toad_: "Too many video packets in the buffer: (4096 in 47990224 bytes). Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed?"
[21:53:19] toad_: argh
[21:53:53] toad_: i had a theory that when it complains about failing to decode an audio packet it dumps the audio for the rest of the file ... but then the transcode succeeds anyway
[21:54:02] toad_: however this looks like *video* damage?
[21:54:08] toad_: it still plays the video though...
[21:54:48] toad_: transcode usually gets an audio decoding error followed by an unknown error – but succeeds nonetheless
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[21:59:59] bonelifer: toad_: what's the problem?
[22:01:04] ** toad_ spent some effort getting transcoding working again... **
[22:01:14] toad_: and has now written off several hundred gigabytes of recorded video :(
[22:01:49] toad_: symptom: on a large fraction of transcoded recordings (all of them?), after a few seconds audio stops and video goes to half speed
[22:02:29] toad_: with vlc or mplayer, possibly on another system, the audio still dies, but the video works... mplayer shows an error suggesting the video is busted: "Too many video packets in the buffer: (4096 in 47999886 bytes). Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed?"
[22:03:05] toad_: => it appears to be a problem with the file, not with mythfrontend – which does not log any sort of error, at least not consistently
[22:03:50] toad_: also, it's *not* underpowered – the CPU usage is very low
[22:04:08] bonelifer: seems a bit out of my league.
[22:04:09] toad_: around 30% when playing recordings through mythfrontend, ~ 12% with vlc
[22:04:23] bonelifer: is this a mythv generated mpg?
[22:04:29] toad_: yeah
[22:04:33] toad_: well it's an NUV
[22:04:37] toad_: it's been transcoded to MPEG4
[22:04:59] toad_: it was originally a recorded MPG
[22:05:02] bonelifer: so the old XVID version of MPEG4 from builtin?
[22:05:25] Kwisher: does nuvexport still work?
[22:05:29] toad_: mplayer says "Selected video codec: MPEG-4 part 2 [libavcodec]"
[22:05:29] bonelifer: yeah, that implementation is pretty old so it's probably just not well supported.
[22:06:01] Kwisher: i use to have good luck with it when i did analog
[22:06:03] bonelifer: it's like it is MPEG4, but it's an old implementation.
[22:06:47] bonelifer: I use lossless transcode to remove com edits, then send it to handbrakes, way superior implementation of MPEG-4
[22:07:10] toad_: codec mpeg-4, high quality, 4MV enabled
[22:07:34] toad_: hmmm good luck removing commercials on uk channels :)
[22:07:37] bonelifer: toad_: this was transcoded to MPEG-4 via mythtranscode?
[22:07:49] toad_: yes
[22:08:11] toad_: the first few files i did seemed to work so i did a database query to tell it to transcode all my old mpg's :(
[22:08:20] bonelifer: mythtranscode uses that old xvid implementation of MPEG-4. It's not recommended by anyone now.
[22:08:57] toad_: i just used the default for the command line – when it was explicitly set to "nice mythtranscode", it broke
[22:09:00] toad_: so i deleted that
[22:09:06] toad_: i assumed there was a missing parameter or something
[22:09:15] toad_: custom quality settings though
[22:09:29] bonelifer: your problem is that using the builtin isn't really suggested anymore.
[22:09:40] toad_: so why is it in the UI? :(
[22:09:47] toad_: because nobody's updated the UI ...
[22:09:54] bonelifer: xvid was an early implementation before MPEG4 was fully formed.
[22:09:55] toad_: should I send a patch to disable the default? :(
[22:10:46] toad_: also, if "nice mythtranscode" doesn't work, surely nothing else will either? i.e. anything other than the default is also not working?
[22:10:59] bonelifer: toad_: I'm not a dev, but I assume they'd say something along the lines, send a patch to add a better MPEG-4 implementation or a userjob script that uses handbrakecli to convert MPG to MPEG-4
[22:11:01] toad_: there must be some undocumented magic to pass in parameters?
[22:11:52] toad_: well if the default transcoder mashes your files then it shouldn't be the default – regardless of what replaces it. it'd be perfectly acceptable to just disable the default.
[22:12:18] toad_: ah well, something to add to my own local Documentation of What Isn't Documented :(
[22:13:28] bonelifer: any reason you can't install handbrake and use a userjob script?
[22:13:47] toad_: isn't handbrake commercial windows only ?
[22:14:08] bonelifer: toad_: no. it's free windows/mac/linux
[22:14:12] toad_: in any case my primary interest is to see whether i can get my files back... :(
[22:14:15] toad_: is it packaged?
[22:14:28] bonelifer: what os are you using?
[22:14:30] Kwisher: toad_: what distro?
[22:14:55] toad_: anyway, as i mentioned, when i tried different command lines, only the default (empty) worked
[22:15:18] toad_: it had been set to "nice mythtranscode", which should work – but doesn't, presumably because there is some undocumented magic for command line substitution
[22:15:25] toad_: debian
[22:16:16] toad_: afaics handbrake uses the same libraries as mythtv?
[22:16:58] bonelifer: toad_: mythtv mythtranscode use an embedded codec like I mentioned earlier
[22:17:19] toad_: odd since they also include the packaged libraries
[22:17:32] toad_: i'm using locally built packages from the packaging repo
[22:17:38] bonelifer: http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-handbrake-0- . . . bian-wheezy/
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[22:18:48] toad_: hmmm, not all of them
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[22:19:35] toad_: yes, i believe i can manage "apt-get install handbrake". the hard part is getting mythtv to use it, and ensuring that it doesn't decide to wipe the audio track but keep the transcoded version with no audio when there's a glitch
[22:19:56] toad_: as i have mentioned several times, the option to specify the transcoder command line doesn't work
[22:20:25] toad_: at least, it needs some documentation, such as what escape to use to represent the filename to be transcoded
[22:21:29] toad_: 'the default is "mythtranscode" if this setting is empty"
[22:21:50] toad_: this does not appear to be correct – it invokes it with a whole bunch of arguments, and if i just put "mythtranscode" in, it fails
[22:21:57] Kwisher: toad_: you should have taken bonelifer's advise
[22:22:09] toad_: which advice?
[22:22:17] toad_: install handbrake?
[22:22:44] toad_: installing it is easy. using it in mythtv is somewhat more difficult. making it not eat my recordings and pretend to have succeeded is probably the hardest part.
[22:23:11] Kwisher: yes, he made a transcoding script for me that works great
[22:23:20] toad_: hmmm
[22:23:25] toad_: so why does "nice mythtranscode" not work?
[22:23:43] toad_: perhaps it's expecting a single file path to the binary?
[22:23:51] Kwisher: i have no idea, that;s why i took his help
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[22:25:42] Kwisher: look here: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1037
[22:25:50] toad_: so in conclusion, the built-in, documented, default, standard option is known to use dangerous libraries and silently corrupt people's files?
[22:26:38] toad_: ugh, so it's a cron job?
[22:26:51] toad_: he's not actually changing the transcoder command line and letting the backend run it?
[22:27:09] Kwisher: yes, it's a userjob
[22:27:28] toad_: ah ok
[22:27:35] toad_: so it *is* managed by the backend
[22:27:47] Kwisher: yes
[22:28:44] toad_: okay, maybe one day i'll look into that
[22:28:50] toad_: but i don't have time to debug it now
[22:29:03] toad_: is there a bug tracker?
[22:29:12] Kwisher: it works, only took me 30 mins to get going
[22:29:16] toad_: no doubt this is a me-specific-issue that cannot be reproduced by anyone else on earth?
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[22:41:33] ** toad_ creates a bug report ... not because it is likely to be acted upon, but for politeness's sake **
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[22:43:18] Ziggy: what bug are we talking about?
[22:46:16] Ziggy: after my last update mythtranscode is swapping audio tracks
[22:47:07] Ziggy: I get the low quality visual impaired track as the main audio track in the transcode
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