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| [00:02:37] | Ricky_Rat5005: | In reading the MythTV website I am seeing that: 1) My old HDHomeRun Dual tuners work with MythTV, and that MythTV will support integrations of Netflix and Amazon Prime Instant Video, do I have that right? |
| [00:04:44] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, i never used a homerun or streamed from net but noth are quite a while supported. |
| [00:05:38] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Excellent. I also understand that at this time a Pi won't work for doing this due to speed... that the MythTV backend works on a Pi but not the frontend. is that also right? |
| [00:07:06] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, the backend needs a lot of space which a Pi can afford but the Frontend needs some smooth Video which the Pi can't so yes. |
| [00:08:12] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok... So I have run WMC for years but this frontend/backend thing is new. What's the best way to start? Mythbuntu? |
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| [00:08:44] | lautriv__: | just get a sane distro and mythtv. |
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| [00:10:35] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Sane distro? I am googling that and not finding clear info. |
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| [00:13:12] | lautriv__: | sane as in proper/useful/correct which in turn disables anything ending on *ntu. |
| [00:13:55] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok... So is Mythbunto not one of them? |
| [00:14:17] | Ricky_Rat5005: | (and what is *ntu. ) |
| [00:14:25] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, what is the main purpose of your personal use-cases ? |
| [00:14:32] | bill6502: | lautriv__: To get the actual filename, you need to adjust the time of the recording by your UTC offset. It might not have been on 8502_20150703*, but the next day. Or, just press 'i' in watch recordings and the filename will be there for you. |
| [00:15:18] | Ricky_Rat5005: | I want to watch/record OTA from my HD Homerun Dual. Watch Netflix and Amazon Prime without going outside the PVR. |
| [00:17:01] | lautriv__: | bill6502, the UTC may be a good reason, but i tried to select from the list of mythweb. There are several possibilities but broken since the stoneage ;) |
| [00:17:36] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, so you don't write code / browse the web / listen to music /whatever ? |
| [00:18:18] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Don't write code for sure / browse the web yes, but with PC or tablet not PVR / and listen to online radio would be nice |
| [00:18:49] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, is this a Pi or Pi2 ? |
| [00:20:32] | Ricky_Rat5005: | I have a PC I have Win 8.1 and WMC on it, but thought a PI would be nice. I have this: CanaKit Raspberry Pi B+ Complete Starter Kit with WiFi Adapter (Raspberry Pi B Plus + WiFi Dongle + 8GB SD Card + Case + Power Supply + HDMI Cable) but not opposed to buying a new one. |
| [00:21:19] | lautriv__: | Ricky_Rat5005, do you want to save the recordinfs via NFS ? |
| [00:21:29] | lautriv__: | *recordings |
| [00:22:35] | Ricky_Rat5005: | I have a file server I can save recordings to. Currently it's a Windows Server 2012 R2 server, but I can load something like FreeNas on it if needed. I hope that answers your question. |
| [00:23:19] | lautriv__: | yes, it does. scratch the idea of running myth at all else you have the hardware ... |
| [00:24:18] | Ricky_Rat5005: | What don't I have? |
| [00:25:06] | lautriv__: | Proper space for the recordings. even your daily soap will consume approx 2G per showing. |
| [00:27:03] | Ricky_Rat5005: | My WMC has two 1TB drives in it in a RAID 1. My Fileserver (currently Windows but can be FreeNas has 4 4 TB drives in a RAID 10 (so 8TB usable) |
| [00:28:03] | lautriv__: | and the Pi has a rather poor connection. |
| [00:28:27] | Ricky_Rat5005: | The Pi has gigabit ethernet. It just came with wifi. |
| [00:28:43] | lautriv__: | lol |
| [00:29:05] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Why is that funny? |
| [00:29:22] | lautriv__: | you know the architecture of a Pi 1 ? |
| [00:29:48] | Ricky_Rat5005: | No I don't, but remember I was just confirming it WON'T work... I can use the PC. |
| [00:30:54] | Ricky_Rat5005: | I think we've gotten off track. Rather than talk about what won't work, let's talk about how to make this work given either what I have, or what I need to buy to make it happen. |
| [00:31:34] | lautriv__: | the problem is, whatever myth will record it is first put on storage and then streamed if you don't use a local drive it must go 3 directions via the network where Gigabit on RPi1 is a joke. |
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| [00:32:07] | lautriv__: | you may consider a local drive via USB |
| [00:32:25] | lautriv__: | or a native FS like NFS4 |
| [00:33:34] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, so why can't I do native FS on the server I described? |
| [00:33:53] | lautriv__: | because it's winblows |
| [00:34:23] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Again, I told you I was happy to format it to Freenas (or whatever) |
| [00:34:53] | lautriv__: | why not real linux, even good for a frontend. |
| [00:35:41] | Ricky_Rat5005: | That's the or whatever part. Can you please suggest what I need to do rather than what won't work? I appreciate your help. |
| [00:36:51] | lautriv__: | In general, each linux-distro can do that, depends if you want to get the best out of it or just shovel a mouse around (and waste performance) |
| [00:37:47] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, so what are you suggesting then? |
| [00:38:00] | lautriv__: | But if you will format a server thisfor, the RPi becomes redundant since the server must be up it could even be rhe backend. |
| [00:38:55] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Forget I ever mentioned the PI. Can't I just put a Linux Distro on my WMC pc and be done with it? |
| [00:39:05] | lautriv__: | sure |
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| [00:39:44] | Ricky_Rat5005: | ok, so let's start with which distro you started to explain sane but then when I asked which distro you recommended we got off on this tangent. |
| [00:41:26] | lautriv__: | see, there are many "ready made" thingies like your mentioned mythbuntu. to use them you must have close to no skills. and there are distros which outperform that by far but you need to know something about the background ........ |
| [00:42:04] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, I have some skills but not a linux guru. |
| [00:43:14] | lautriv__: | actually the best way between them would be devuan, it is a fork of debian without systemd. |
| [00:45:51] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, we are getting somewhere. Devuan it is... I won't bother to ask what systemd is... LOL. Now that I load Devuan on is there an install guide specific to this distro I follow or just the general one? |
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| [00:47:28] | lautriv__: | In general, they ask what you want on startup. for a HTPC i'd suggest a basic install with XFCE for the GUI and afterwards just add mythtv-packages. |
| [00:49:27] | Ricky_Rat5005: | ok, thanks. |
| [00:49:42] | lautriv__: | to answer the other part, systemd is an evil replacement of independend services, takes control away from you and can spy or crash without your intervention. |
| [00:51:02] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok. so Devuan doesn't come with a gui, hence the XFCE then? |
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| [00:53:11] | lautriv__: | default is gnome if you don't select another, gnome went bloaty since version 3. |
| [00:53:33] | Ricky_Rat5005: | ok, so XFCE is just a selection upon setup then? |
| [00:53:45] | lautriv__: | yep |
| [00:53:56] | Ricky_Rat5005: | k |
| [00:54:10] | lautriv__: | it is lighter, faster and still comfortable. |
| [00:55:01] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, now, if I did this, I would want to save only to local storage, not to a file server (even if it had NFS right? |
| [00:56:37] | lautriv__: | anything is possible but if you save local there is less overhead. local drive is the fastest and you need network only to stream for other clients. |
| [00:58:00] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, sounds like I need to order a couple of larger hard drives first...before I try this. |
| [00:59:33] | lautriv__: | not really, the average recordings are between 1 and 10G depending on lenght any quality, less if you convert them and nobody cares about a 4 week old episode which can be auto-deleted. |
| [01:00:18] | Ricky_Rat5005: | NFL games... my wife records EVERY NFL game and it's blasphemy to delete any of them... |
| [01:00:35] | lautriv__: | and even if you consider a video-library, adding is always possible. |
| [01:01:37] | lautriv__: | if the machine can't take more drives, you can also add slave-backends. |
| [01:01:52] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Rather do an 'all in one' solution. |
| [01:02:45] | lautriv__: | I was there but if something interrupts familys entertainment better to have some slaves ;) |
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| [01:03:59] | lautriv__: | ... except if you try to find a recording which is a mess :( |
| [01:04:41] | Ricky_Rat5005: | what do you use to backup your linux server? |
| [01:08:04] | lautriv__: | other servers, all valueable data is at least on 3 machines. |
| [01:14:43] | Ricky_Rat5005: | No I mean like dd or what program? |
| [01:15:02] | lautriv__: | rsync |
| [01:15:24] | Ricky_Rat5005: | that's just the files not the OS right? |
| [01:16:34] | lautriv__: | rsync can be very selective but i backup only data and settings. If a machine crashes, it gets a new setup. |
| [01:18:44] | lautriv__: | if you dd, you can include bootloader and partitioning but will be left with the whole size of a drive which in turn doesn't match exactly it's desired replacement. |
| [01:31:40] | lautriv__: | i wisah cut and transcode would still work ... wasting a lot of time with manual avidemux |
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| [01:35:04] | Ricky_Rat5005: | which ISO do I need to get for Devuan? |
| [01:35:41] | lautriv__: | netinst is suffice |
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| [01:36:57] | lautriv__: | what network-NIC does the server have ? |
| [01:36:59] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, any instruction on how to get Devuan with netinst? |
| [01:37:27] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Server has Intel network card, but was just planning on ordering larger hard drive for the PC and have it self contained. |
| [01:37:55] | lautriv__: | what CPU(s) ? |
| [01:38:18] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Intel Core 2 Duo |
| [01:38:25] | Ricky_Rat5005: | brb changing PC's. |
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| [01:56:17] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Ok, back... Now what were you saying about installing? |
| [01:56:51] | lautriv__: | your easiest way would be to get this -> cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso which initially will install a debian, |
| [01:57:29] | lautriv__: | then get and install this -> packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-baseconf/devuan-baseconf_0.6.4%2bd evuan3_all.deb to finally convert it to devuan. |
| [01:57:58] | lautriv__: | any machine with a dd around ? |
| [01:58:59] | Ricky_Rat5005: | sounds like a pain... There isn't just an ISO for devuan? |
| [01:59:55] | lautriv__: | devuan was created after debian went over to systemd, main developers deserted after that decision and dit it right again. it'S no pain, very seamless transition. |
| [02:02:13] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Mythbuntu is sounding better, lol... Ok, I'll try it. |
| [02:03:35] | lautriv__: | does Toyota sound better than Jaguar ? |
| [02:04:14] | Ricky_Rat5005: | Yes, more affordable! Now if you asked is Toyota better than the Dodge Challenger Hellcat, now we have a conversation. LOL |
| [02:04:55] | lautriv__: | You know all *nuntu is nothing else taking debian and make it worse ? |
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| [08:35:29] | hR13: | Hi all, I just installed mythbuntu 14.04–2 and I cant get the mythfilldatabase to fetch any info not from xmltv source or EIT (Im in sweden) I have added the xmltvid for the channels, is there any switch or something I need too tick? Im going crazy ... |
| [08:43:50] | stuarta: | hR13: which method do you want to use for program data? EIT or xmltv? choose one... |
| [08:46:29] | hR13: | Id prefer xmltv, but I have cleard all source and tried both individualy with out any luck ... |
| [09:00:55] | SteveGoodey: | hR13: Not sure if you might get help from http://xmltv.se/ |
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| [09:04:27] | hR13: | Thanks SteveGoodey Ill have a look att that |
| [09:05:39] | SteveGoodey: | Where did you add the xmltvid info. Mythweb or the xmltv config? |
| [09:06:18] | hR13: | I did it on my mythtv "server" with mythtv-setup |
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| [09:08:39] | SteveGoodey: | If you go into mythweb, settings, channel info is the xmltvid column filled in with your xmltvids? |
| [09:09:55] | hR13: | yes, they are |
| [09:10:40] | stuarta: | isn't there a way of enabling some debug output from mfdb? |
| [09:10:59] | ** stuarta only uses EIT, not mfdb ** | |
| [09:11:09] | hR13: | not sure Ill have a look |
| [09:13:17] | SteveGoodey: | Have you unticked useonairguide on those channels you've set xmltvid for on the mythweb channel info page? |
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| [09:17:11] | hR13: | SteveGoodey and stuarta I just clear alla settings and redoing the chanel search ..brb |
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| [09:34:39] | hR13: | SteveGoodey stuarta Im running the mythfilldatabas manualy now, and it seemes to be working somewhat Im getting errors on fetching icons for channels I dont have... |
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| [09:49:46] | hR13: | SteveGoodey and stuarta I finaly got it to work, I could not get the xmltv.se source to work and found an other root url (http://xmltv.tvzon.se) on my (separat) main myth server, the one Im working on now is just a testserver. trhanks for all help :-) |
| [09:50:17] | lautriv__: | i'm preparing to upgrade to 0.28 or rather current master, would a client/frontend running 0.27.5 be able to work with a 0.28 master (temporary) ? |
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| [10:09:52] | stuarta: | lautriv__: no it won't work |
| [10:12:57] | lautriv__: | stuarta, ok, then i have to do all machines in the same go .... what about transcoding and ads skipping, got that somewhen fixed ? |
| [10:13:35] | stuarta: | what's broken to be fixed? |
| [10:15:11] | stuarta: | btw. the limitation is all must be using the same db schema |
| [10:15:23] | stuarta: | +version |
| [10:18:40] | lautriv__: | yes, i asked because the DB/protocol, hence i must upgrade all at the same time and fire the new backends before any frontend. about commercials and trancoding, i was fine with it around 0.22 but some upgrade stopped both, even trying to "direct download" a file via mythweb to cut it manually fails because anything leads to a perl-script. |
| [10:19:52] | stuarta: | it probably still needs work |
| [10:20:11] | stuarta: | but then, work has been done on commflag iirc |
| [10:20:21] | stuarta: | tbh you won't know until you try it |
| [10:21:03] | lautriv__: | i see already on actual recordings they are marked with skiplist,cutlist etc. but none processed :( |
| [10:22:09] | stuarta: | as in no cuts automatically added? |
| [10:23:43] | lautriv__: | in the past, i could play something on a frontend which was recorded earlier and whenever ads went in, it just jumped over. the transcoding part is broken that long, i even forgot what i did there . |
| [10:33:26] | stuarta: | problem is commflagging is a black art |
| [10:33:36] | stuarta: | broadcaster keep changing things |
| [10:33:40] | stuarta: | which breaks it |
| [10:33:54] | stuarta: | the feature you are talking about is auto skip commercials |
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| [11:33:18] | lautriv__: | stuarta, sorry for delay, got a call. will see what i get in 0.28 ;) |
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| [14:33:23] | ** tgm4883 reads backlog ** | |
| [14:35:21] | ** tgm4883 doesn't like lautriv_ ;) ** | |
| [14:40:07] | lautriv_: | tgm4883, this ain't facebook :o) |
| [14:40:23] | tgm4883: | heh, true |
| [14:52:54] | lautriv_: | tgm4883, does your nick have something to do with a tyan board ? |
| [14:53:07] | tgm4883: | No, should it? |
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| [14:54:47] | lautriv_: | there is a s4882 quad-socket Opteron board for which a piggi-back called m4883 exists to enhance it for 8 Sockets. |
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| [20:51:03] | sleezio: | hello, in mythweb, top right you have 'jump to' a specific ay to see it's schedule, is there a setting somewhere i can tell it to not hold the past week of programming thats already passed? |
| [20:51:25] | sleezio: | sorry, a popup ate some of my text |
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| [21:21:42] | sphery: | sleezio: no, MythTV always keeps listings for 10–14 days so that you can go back and see why some show you thought was going to record didn't (i.e. figure out that 3 higher-priority shows aired at the exact same time as your missing show). |
| [21:23:10] | sphery: | mythweb's jump to box just shows you all the days for which listings exist in your database. |
| [21:24:00] | sphery: | that said, it wouldn't be too difficult to add your own code to exclude days before today (and since MythWeb isn't compiled code, it wouldn't require rebuilding or anything) |
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| [21:26:53] | sphery: | Pretty much just change the code at: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . list.php#L62 |
| [21:28:08] | sphery: | like, specifically, change the -7 on line 69 to 0 |
| [21:29:01] | sphery: | (so it seems it's actually showing only a week before current day, even if you have listings for 10 days before current) |
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